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Mohammad Amir retires from International cricket

Prima Donna be a Prima Donna always.

Amir is a classic case of what happens when a board decides to back a proven cheat. The Guy cheated the board & his fans back then, & has cheated the board & his fans again.

For all their faults aside, Wasim, Waqar & Shoaib at the least kept offering their services till they were on their last legs. For people who don't remember, Wasim, inspite of being the wizard with the ball that he was, was also dropped from Pak team in the later half of his career. But he never gave up, whenever national duty beckoned.
 
Mohammad Amir has no right to complain about how he is treated. The fact that he was allowed to play for his country again, despite all of the international collective hate against harboring people who ruined the integrity of the game.

How dare he speak that the PCB did not make sacrifices and invest in him. He served the time which he was supposed to by the law, not because the PCB said so. He has no right to talk about anything the PCB has done, and if he was not selected, it was for good reason.

That 35 member squad left out a lot of deserving candidates. Usman Shinwari, performed for us almost every time we called upon him, and he was left out. I'd much rather have Shinwari than Amir, because he's not going to give up on his country and play T20 Leagues.

It is pathetic to see that we invested in him for so long.

As a spectator of the sport, I wish him well in future endeavors, but I have lost my respect for him.
 
This is the man who we supported when the whole world was calling him a cheater. He was fast-tracked into the national team ahead of domestic performers.

With his retirement from Tests during the WTC, he made things very clear about his priorities, and the fact that he was not just "trapped" by Salman Butt in the 2010 saga, and he perfectly knew what he was doing.

Now with his retirement from international cricket, he can happily settle in the UK and play T20 leagues all around the world, as that has been his wish for some time now.

I will remember him as a promising youngster in 2010, an ordinary average medium pacer since his comeback, and a man for the big occasions who never fulfilled his potential because of his lack of interest and corrupt character.

Ungrateful cricketer.
 
He will be remembered for the CT final and World T20 final in 2009. But he will also be remembered for unfulfilled potential and the dark day at Lords.

He also needs to stop playing the victim. PCB backed him a lot bringing him straight back after the ban. In other countries he would have been thrown away forever. So he should be grateful that he even got a 2nd chance.

Good luck in what he does but honestly good riddance. Playing for your country should be an honour, Amir made it seem like it was a chore at times. He is one of the bigger names we have right now and honestly it doesn't set a good example if you pick and choose when you turn up.

Best for all parties that he has moved on.
 
Can't wait but think Amir is going to have a party the next 4-5 years of T20 league cricket.
 
I dont think he was even dropped from ODI cricket, just rested for Zimbabwe series. In T20 internationals he took one wicket in last 5 matches and his economy was 9.36 in last two matches.

While in National T20 cup he took 6 wickets in 7 matches at an avg of 38 and economy of 8.73.

But, obviously he is perfect and everything/everyone around him is wrong. Looks like he goes by the philosophy when you cant win the game, leave the game. I have put forward the stats for those who think game was rigged which definitely wasnt, he would have been dropped with such stats in T20s in most countries.
 
Indiafan said:
In the world cup he performed after Pakistan was almost already out and was outbowled by Afridi
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Do your homework before posting factless drivel, Amir was the leading wicket-taker for Pakistan by a mile after the first 5 matches of the World Cup.
 
I imagine that psychologically his comeback must have been incredibly difficult. He left cricket as a villified personality but in cricketing terms he left on a high as a t20 world cup winner and as the reincarnation of Wasim Akram ( partly due to helpful bowling conditions).

He came back and he no loner had it. Perhaps he never had it and those couple of series would have been a small purple patch in an ordinary career if he hadn't been banned...but he came back and the ball was no longer swinging and the pace wasn't there. Most importantly the wickets weren't coming either. I'd imagine that constant reminder of what could have been would take a huge amount of toll on any cricketer.
 
A sick individual.
Anyone defending his statement needs their head tested.
 
not consistent enough to warrant an automatic selection. can be good on his day but unfortunately for pakistan, those days are not frequent enough anymore. plus clearly lacking in the physical fitness which cannot be blamed on any coach.

T-20 is tamasha and should be used by pak to test young blood. most will fail but those who succeed can be of asset in other formats. we have seen upside of amir. his best days are behind him and pak is better served by trying younger and hungrier players some of whom might offer a higher upside.

odis are more prestigious compared to t20s. but even here, he will not be around for next w.c. plus odis should serve as a route to test team which amir does not want to get involved with. better for pak cricket to try younger and fitter bowlers that can be used in multiple formats.

by retiring, he has done a huge favour to pak. otherwise he would be hanging around like a bad smell with his supporters always clamoring for his selection. i hope pcb sticks to its guns and does not go groveling back to amir - something i would not rule out entirely. we have examples of likes of fawad alam and sarfaraz being dropped and not creating any issues. this is a good trend for pak cricket. hope this is the norm going forward.
 
Mamoon said:
What does PCB gain by holding grudge and acting tough? Nothing. Ultimately, they are hurting their own chances of doing well by picking inferior bowlers in ODIs and T20Is just to send Amir a message.
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What did PCB benefit from allowing Shoaib Akhtar play all these years?
 
(1) Amir gets caught doing spot fixing
(2) served prison in a foreign country and brought humiliation to cricket and his country
(3) retires from test cricket
(4) finally retires from international cricket
and yet each time, somehow his fans always find someone to be blamed for his misdemeanors but not him!
 
I am glad people are against this decision.

Amir scored an own goal here. He wanted sympathy but it has backfired clearly.
 
Mamoon said:
You pick the best you have got.

You can’t serve me rubbish like Musa, Rauf and Wahab etc. and then expect me to agree that Amir doesn’t deserve to be selected.

If Pakistan can produce 3-4 better bowlers than him in the shorter formats I would be more than happy to see him never get picked again.
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I agree about the three you mentioned being average but no way is Amir superior to Wahab.

Back to the issue
Lets use Shinwari as an example,. Much better figures than Amir after three less games played in the LPL. Out bowled him in an entire season of the PSL but still got hate, outbowled him in ODI and was dropped for the world cup then still got hate. He is a meme sensation and Amir is a victim. Barring the outburst from his wife he hasn't said anything himself or acted like a victim.

Amir deserves no sympathy. Guy only cares about himself and he's mediocre
 
There are always two sides of the story. Amir said what he had to say and I am pretty sure will hear what Mis/Wa have to say in due course
 
Major said:
I am glad people are against this decision.

Amir scored an own goal here. He wanted sympathy but it has backfired clearly.
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How can he expect sympathy? When people see him making excuses of workload and then he is playing no name leagues no body will support him. Atleast I must commend Sarfaraz he atleast is not whining despite being former captain
 
Its an immature reaction once again If theres issues speak to your employer in private dont go running to the media creating controversies Hes the one thats got everything to lose not the pcb

There ll be other amirs and no huge losss to pakistan cricket He shouldve kept quiet worked on his bowling, play domestics and let his performances speak for themselves

This isnt the way to protest Actions speak louder than words and he can say it 100 times but this makes him look ungrateful and someone who doesnt want to play for pakistan

If hes happy playing t10 and t20 leagues then good luck to him

Its probably best for all concerned that this drama has been put to bed once and for all
 
Mamoon said:
You pick the best you have got.

You can’t serve me rubbish like Musa, Rauf and Wahab etc. and then expect me to agree that Amir doesn’t deserve to be selected.

If Pakistan can produce 3-4 better bowlers than him in the shorter formats I would be more than happy to see him never get picked again.
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Gullycricket said:
How can he expect sympathy? When people see him making excuses of workload and then he is playing no name leagues no body will support him. Atleast I must commend Sarfaraz he atleast is not whining despite being former captain
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No he just retweets posts by Rashid Latif saying he should be the captain while on tour under another captain LOL
 
Oh no! This is terrible news. He is a world class bowler, still has a lot of cricket left in him. I hope he reverses his decision and plays in the upcoming T20 world cup.
 
Major said:
What did PCB benefit from allowing Shoaib Akhtar play all these years?
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Shoaib was better than the other available bowlers at the time just like Amir is better than other available ODI and T20I bowlers except Shaheen.
 
Can't say I am surprised. When he opened his Youtube channel I had an inkling that he was losing his interest in international cricket. And then throwing shade at Misbah and Waqar through his replies to the journalist, Jatt. Nobody who wants to re enter the Pakistani cricket arena would dare to openly defy the current management.

I am really dissapointed in him though. And it's wrong of him to say that PCB did not invest in me except a couple of people. If they hadn't, he wouldn't have represented Pakistan for such a long time after he sold this country. As for taunts in the initial phase and the fact that he is insinuating that I should have been welcomed back with open arms and no grudges after selling my country and making Pakistan a laughing stock of the entire cricketing world. I mean you still got a second chance after that. A few taunts , in an ideal world, wouldn't be wanted by anyone but since you deserved it to some extent so instead of whining about it, just should have put your head down and given your all for the name you once maligned for a few bucks. And we have all been witnessing how Amir was loved and respected by fans and his team mates since a long while now.

Mental torture is faced by every cricketer in various ways and there will always be politics involved in cricket especially in Pakistan. But instead of being overly dramatic about it, he should have put his head down and worked hard especially since he has been pretty average of late and has done nothing home to write about.

That said it's his decision and he has given us some good memories in the past but I guess Pakistan cricket will move on as will he. Unless he takes a leaf out his mentor, Lala's book and makes a dramatic return after the management is changed.
 
See ya later, Amir. No one apart from your die hard fans really cares. You continue to make stupid decisions in your life.
 
Was treated like a spoiled brat by Pakistan for far too long that he thought he was invincible. His lack of effort was pretty visible in the bilaterals and especially Tests. He was even offered a pick and choose option for Tests yet he denied that. If your heart isn't there, then leaving the international cricket is a good choice.
He had an ideal time to work on his fitness and gain form by playing in domestic cricket but he probably thought he was too good for it. Shouldn't be given more attention now. He can now take on the British passport and even get selected for IPL as well. Will earn decent money. Probably more than his international career.

On the flipside, I think Waqar and Misbah need to go as well. Waqar's method of dealing with cricketers is quite apparently not very good. It's a testament to how Wahab has put up with him over all his open criticisms of him and is still going strong. Misbah isn't the selector anymore, so Amir's chances to get selected would definitely have increased but he couldn't wait to announce his unavailability. Waqar's methods definitely haven't resulted in any bowler showing massive improvement apart from Shaheen, maybe that too cause he's ridiculously talented(Over his 4 tenures). Azhar Mahmood was a better bowling coach and had better temperament to deal with other cricketers and was equipped with modern methods of coaching.
Misbah definitely isn't someone to systematically coach by formulating modern techniques.

There's no protagonists in this story, only antagonists.
 
I was one of those who thought he should not be allowed back to play.

Not because of the crime he committed and the embarrassment he brought. But because of how he acted afterwards.

He came on TV shows saying it was a conspiracy against Pakistan. And he was a victim because he was Pakistani and a Muslim. He was stoking the paranoia a lot of Pakistanis have that needs to be gotten rid of.

In other words, a shameless liar and taking advantage of people's gullibility here.

So yes, see you later, you piece of dog do-do.
 
“Mental torture”? Talk about being a drama queen.

Not being able to put food on the table is torture; losing a loved one prematurely is torture; suffering from some life threatening disease is torture.

These so called VIPs need to start living in the real world.

Still think it’s a loss to Pakistan though - Amir is still a very good white ball bowler.
 
gazza619 said:
There are always two sides of the story. Amir said what he had to say and I am pretty sure will hear what Mis/Wa have to say in due course
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Think Waqar will tear into him when he will be asked about it like always. Meanwhile Misbah won't say much like always. But that doesn't make any of the 3 a good guy.
Waqar needs to go as well as he hasn't really done much good in all 4 of tenures either.
 
He needs to be evaluated by a psychiatrist as well as his coping behavior definitely isn't very constructive.

Would like to hear [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION]'s and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] thoughts on this. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] always has more knowledge about what's going inside Pak Cricket than others.
 
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Definitely a loss for Pakistan cricket , but congratulation to Misbah .

Amir is down, who is next for Misbah.

Amir will be replaced by someone, but it will take long time for Pakistan cricket to recover from the damage caused by Misbah.
 
Amir needs to get better advisers in His whole image and pakistan cricket career is in ruins through the silly decisions he keeps making

On the flip slide waqar n misbah should be more professional top and not put out statements like they have against players in the media Very very unprofessional
 
Mohammad Amir is no more but the memories will live forever.

Today is the end of an era in Pakistan cricket.

Offering my respect to Amir for bringing to Amiri to Pakistan cricket which was facing Ghareebi in fast bowling department during their dark times in the 2000s when India has overtaken Pakistan as a fast bowling nation after unearthering ground breaking and earth shattering talents like Varun Aaron and Umesh Yadav apart from Praveen Kumar.
 
If the management struggles to address issues with the players and have to resort to such extremely measures they better ensure Pakistan wins matches. We need to reduce the margin of error for this management now. The management doesn't have much to show for right now.
 
Some of these posters deserve mediocre bowlers like Musa and Husnain. Just a bunch of ungrateful ....!!

The same posters who would beg Afridi to retire are now constantly crying about the lack of power hitters or quality all rounders.

Personally, I don’t think Amir’s career for Pakistan has finished, but if it has then just watch in 2-3 years the same posters who say “good riddance” will be talking about the lack of bowling quality in Pakistan.
 
How is he being mentally tortured? Does he mean he is going through some sort of depression? Despite all the miseries thrown at him, man still manages to play full LPL tournament and is probably getting ready for T10 league.

This is sheer insult to all those who are going through mental torture and depression by one way or another in their life.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Differences between Mohammad Amir and PCB could have been resolved. A lack of communication lead to mistrust on both sides and to a situation that could have been avoided <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1339565385339838467?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2020</a></blockquote>
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A few things to consider and to keep this whole debate simple:

1) This argument that PCB invested a lot in him and was not repaid in kind is flawed. PCB is not like other professional cricket boards that have consistent policies - every management runs it on personal likes and dislikes. The current management has absolutely no role in bringing Amir back and, once he gave up test cricket, held a personal grudge against him to never select him again.

2) Misbah/Waqar are as poor man managers as they come. Both are highly unprofessional and it is no surprise that they've been massive failures in a professional coaching setup. Both should have communicated their decision to Amir very Cleary regardless of what it was. You can't keep taunting players through media whenever the journalists provoke you.

3) Can Amir's exclusion be justified? Hell no! Pakistan is the only country where each player gets judged on a different scale. If a player has shown high potential at some point, he'll always be judged based on that scale. If a player has been mediocre to begin with, even a half decent performance would guarantee his place in the side. Now the excuse to drop Amir was that his form has dipped and it sure has. But that's not important! There's only one question we need to ask:

Are Faheem/Sohail/Musa/Wahab/Naseem better white ball bowlers than him?

Everyone knows the answer. You do what's best for the team and not pander to personal likes or dislikes. Misbah has no justification to drop Amir from LOIs especially from tours like NZ where half the country was selected.

Amir has 100% been hard done by this management. He might not be a special bowler but he's much better than most of the current lot we've got. And that is all that matters.
 
I used to be a big supporter and fully supporter his signup back after the ban but he has lost the plot. There was only one public figure , Hafeez, who was against him coming in but everyone else showed no public animosity. He is speaking from a bitter and entitled position that everyone else in PCB didn’t want him except Sethi and Afridi. PCB bent over backwards to get him back into the team without any practice and from day 1 he showed he had lost everything that made him the best bowler in 2009 and 2010. He had lost his speed, his swing and his guile. He made an excuse that well my body is not used to it. Your body can still bowl fast even years later it’s just the stamina that needs time. Were you sitting on the sofa for 5 years ? Then he said his body was too fragile for 5 day cricket which pakistan HARDLY plays compared to other nations and you couldn’t even back 10-12 overs in a day ? But then you can bowl 40 overs in a week playing league after league after league non stop ? Doesn’t make sense . Has never made sense. He says he wants to preserve his body . For what ? Your peak is here you need to bowl fast and find your swing again. You are not even bowling a tight line anymore. You could see as soon as he came after the ban that the effort was just not there. He ran up much slower at 24 than when he was at 19. It’s physically impossible to say that your body got weaker when the prime years of any bowler in terms of physical fitness is 29-30. You showed nothing like trying to run in fast. You just became another Abdul razzak who couldn’t bat anymore either
 
It’s really telling they Muhammad Amir spends more time on his social media and filtering his photos there than training to run in faster which he has refused to do since his return to cricket
 
Further proof that Amir has seen the writing in the wall. He is not good enough to represent Pakistan right now, and the younger bowlers that are playing right now will only get better, while Amir will keep regressing. He probably thought to himself, why play domestic cricket if I'm not good enough for international cricket, when I can play T20 leagues around the world based on reputation instead. Before he probably thought that he'll be good enough for T20s and ODIs, but now he's realized that even that is not the case.
 
aloo paratha said:
Further proof that Amir has seen the writing in the wall. He is not good enough to represent Pakistan right now, and the younger bowlers that are playing right now will only get better, while Amir will keep regressing. He probably thought to himself, why play domestic cricket if I'm not good enough for international cricket, when I can play T20 leagues around the world based on reputation instead. Before he probably thought that he'll be good enough for T20s and ODIs, but now he's realized that even that is not the case.
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This is probably right. If the Pak management agreed for him to bowl less overs in tests as long as he still plays test and he still refused it’s not a medical issue it’s a $ and effort issue.
 
Yes, all this could have been handled better; nonetheless, the way Amir has behaved throughout his return is also not without fault.

This was a talent who was bowling 143-148 kph range with swing (watch the spell in Melbourne 2009) in tests. Its a fair argument that five years out of the side and cricket must have been hard.

Granted that, after he came back, his pace slowly trended downwards to the point where he barely breaks 140 kph with his effort ball. The ability to swing the ball also receded alarmingly.

How does he respond? Does he really go hard on his fitness and try to build stamina to up his average speed - not express mind just that extra 5-7 kph that would help him recover his edge?
No - look at his physique, his fitness and look at others like bumrah for instance from when he started.

He decided to take the easy way out of I will not be playing tests. Ok, fair enough , a lot of those tests are in the UAE - fair dos on that.

Does that improve his ability to be threatening in ODIs ? Average pace? Swing? Not really

His response was to prioritize T20s and franchise cricket. I have no problem with that and the fact that a sportsman has limited shelf life and has to think of financial security. My point is come out and say that - do not act like a martyr who has been 'tortured'.

Shoaib akhtar played for Pakistan half the time on one leg and even at age 37 he was running in giving it his all. Amir has been very disappointing since his return in how much effort he is willing to put in - at least that is how it looks on the outside.

It is a tragicomedy his career, it promised so much and gave us so little. I wish he had actually had the courage to go all out and prioritize his career but he chose his path. Nothing but sadness all round for a pakistan cricket supporter here.
 
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The self entitlement has cost him a lot of followers & more importantly showed that he learnt zilch zero nothing in those 5 years out , another one bites the dust ..good riddance .. but the pace factory will keep churning them out.. ps SSH is a ready made replacement 👋🏽
 
Lahore: Former Test cricketer Aqib Javed thinks Mohammad Amir was no more a first choice for the Pakistan team after the arrival of pacers like Shaheen Shah Afridi and Haris Rauf.

Speaking to reporters here on Thursday, Javed said Amir would have thought to better take a break from international cricket and play in the leagues after realizing that he wasn’t the need of national team anymore.

“See, we all should respect Amir’s decision, be it taking retirement from Test cricket last year or now parting ways with rest of the two formats,” he said.

“I think he had realized that he wasn’t the first choice after Shaheen and Haris came so he would have thought to better leave his way out and play league cricket,” he added.

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Meanwhile, Sohail Tanvir said Amir’s decision seems like he was immensely frustrated for not getting picked. “As far as my opinion is concerned, Amir took this decision in frustration. It happens when you are ignored continuously,” he said.

“I suffered from the same situation but everyone has their own choice. I think he knows himself better,” he concluded.

https://arysports.tv/aqib-javed-sohail-tanvir-reacts-mohammad-amirs-retirement/
 
"I am leaving cricket for now because I'm being mentally tortured. I don't think I can bear such torture. I've borne lots of torture from 2010 to 2015, for which I served my time. I've been tortured by being told the PCB invested a lot in me. I'll just say two people invested in me a lot: [former PCB chairman] Najam Sethi and [former Pakistan captain] Shahid Afridi.

"They were the only two. The rest of the team was saying, 'we don't want to play with Amir'. Recently, the atmosphere that's been created means I get taunted all the time by being told I don't want to play for my country. Who doesn't want to play for their country? Every two months, someone says something against me. Sometimes the bowling coach [Waqar Younis] says Amir ditched us, sometimes I'm told my workload is unsatisfactory. Enough is enough."

Malcontent between Amir and the board, especially this current management, had been simmering for a while before finally coming to a head on Thursday. Amir, who retired from Test cricket last year, had found himself excluded from the PCB's list of central contracts earlier this year, and omitted from Pakistan's 35-man squad to New Zealand last month.

Upon that squad announcement, Amir said on Twitter "only Misbah" could explain why he hadn't been included, before criticising bowling coach Waqar Younis for talking about his workload. That, coupled by Amir's frequent praise of former Pakistan head coach Mickey Arthur, at one point saying he would "love to play under Arthur for any side in the world", offered insight into how he viewed his relations with the current coaching staff. That he singled Sethi out for praise in his statement is unlikely to have played too well in front of his successor Ehsan Mani or CEO Wasim Khan, further condemning Amir to international exclusion.

Given this is Pakistan cricket, absolutely no one would rule out a comeback for Amir at some point in the future. The 28-year old is still widely sought after in T20 leagues around the world, which his complete international retirement should allow more time for. That he spent so much time singling out this particular PCB management and administration as the reason he could no longer play for Pakistan, there is no reason to suggest he wouldn't be open to a return should things at the board change. For now, however, Amir appears to have put to bed a tumultuous international career that appeared to have been sabotaged just as it began in 2010, before promising a second coming following a five-year ban that ended up fizzling out somewhat.
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Waqar is the culprit he don't know how to talk in public.
He could say "Amir ditched us" .."Amir ditched us".
 
Mamoon said:
He is mediocre when you compare him to the best bowlers in other sides. However, he is competing with Pakistani pacers and they are all rubbish apart from Shaheen.
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If trundling at 130 kph is considered the best bowling we have seen in our side then I began to differ, we are better off without this medium pacer. Specially for a guy who also got wacked around in the LPL recently. 2019 world cup was 1.5 years ago, and the 2017 CT final 3.5 years ago. He is well outside his expiry date, and with the raging back problems and the entitlement issues it's only downhill from here. He is sounding more and more like Shoaib Akhtar in his last days who's entitlement meant he would've won the match against India had he been selected for the semi final, even though his replacement Wahab Riaz picked up 5 wickets.
 
Meh.. not a huge deal. Amir is a good bowler who could have played another 100+ matches for Pakistan, but he isn't a difference maker.

This neither hurts nor helps Pakistan cricket.

And I am absolutely sure we will see Amir play for Pakistan again. What does it take to reverse a 'retirement' decision anyway, a call from a selector or PCB chairman a year or two down the road? Amir is still playing domestic & T20 - so he'll maintain match fitness
 
2021,2022,2023
Three important events are coming.
He is must for Pakistan. He, Babar and Shaheen are only world class Pakistani cricketers.

Amir will always be better bowler than Musa, Fahim, Rauf, Wahab and naseem etc.
 
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Lol.
 
MenInG said:
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He maybe a loose cannon but he is the only guy in Pakistan who can help Amir right now.

I seriously hope that Amir reaches for Shoaib since he is willing to help.
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] since you guys have access to Amir, please bring this to his notice.
 
Snowflake said:
Are Faheem/Sohail/Musa/Wahab/Naseem better white ball bowlers than him?

Everyone knows the answer. You do what's best for the team and not pander to personal likes or dislikes. Misbah has no justification to drop Amir from LOIs especially from tours like NZ where half the country was selected.
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In T20 internationals he took one wicket in last 5 matches and his economy was 9.36 in last two matches.

In National T20 cup he took 6 wickets in 7 matches at an avg of 38 and economy of 8.73. The names you mentioned all outperformed him in the tournament (Naseem was injured).

So thing is where do you draw the line? You cant just keep on playing someone despite poor performances while completely ignoring others.

If he would have been dropped from ODIs, I would have come up and criticized the management as he has been decent in that format but, in T20s he has been mediocre for some time.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Differences between Mohammad Amir and PCB could have been resolved. A lack of communication lead to mistrust on both sides and to a situation that could have been avoided <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1339565385339838467?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Absolutely well said Saj.

The only thing I blame Amir for in this statement is that he brought his former teammates into it. Why even mention them and say that they didn’t want you there? Not only are you burning your bridges, you are throwing all your teammates under the bus in public. Sure Hafeez and Azhar spoke against you, but the rest didn’t. So you should have extended them the same courtesy.

But apart from that, I agree with Amir. He is being bullied and Misbah is blaming him for the poor choices he made on the Aus tour where he played Musa and Imran Khan Jnr and the Aussie media called it the worst attack ever to come to Australia. So Misbah, the least self-critical person I have ever seen, obviously blames Amir for all of his own failings now and is too thick to even understand that is what he is doing.
 
Titan24 said:
In T20 internationals he took one wicket in last 5 matches and his economy was 9.36 in last two matches.

In National T20 cup he took 6 wickets in 7 matches at an avg of 38 and economy of 8.73. The names you mentioned all outperformed him in the tournament (Naseem was injured).

So thing is where do you draw the line? You cant just keep on playing someone despite poor performances while completely ignoring others.

If he would have been dropped from ODIs, I would have come up and criticized the management as he has been decent in that format but, in T20s he has been mediocre for some time.
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That's a fair argument and we certainly should not be playing someone based on previous performances. But do you think we're giving a little too much importance to the National T20 tournament, and maybe Amir's case in order to justify his exclusion? Wasn't he dropped from the LOI side prior to the National T20 Cup?

And I don't think it was just limited to T20, Amir is not in the team's plans for 50 overs either.

So, again, Amir doesn't deserve preferential treatment and neither is he an out of this world bowler. He does prefer a just treatment though which should be based on his performance.
 
Get rid of waqar , Whenever Misbah and Waqar are around strong personalities (who are good players) cannot co-exist we have seen these in the past. only yes men like Azhar ali can be around forever...

Pakistan continues to lose left right and centre, and these buffoons no nothing about cricket... Poor man managment skills, knows not an inch of how to build a team..

Taken 5 -6 openers to NZL and plans to open with Rizwan, shows his knowledge of the game :moyo2

The worst combo is Waqar and Misbah.. Sooner they get rid of them , good for the team and sport.. These two have destroyed the team enough, without any significant ICC trophies to their names during their reign...
 
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Amir was forced to quit, it seems Misbah and Waqar lobby trying to prove who is the boss. Shameful stuff from Misbah ul Haq and Waqar Younis.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
He maybe a loose cannon but he is the only guy in Pakistan who can help Amir right now.
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Shoaib is not a cricketer anymore, he is a Youtuber who will say anything for clicks.

Amir has been mediocre for ages, while he's had Wasim, Waqar and Azhar all in his corner at varying times.

If they can't help this guy then what is Shoaib going to do.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Team management may look into Amir's concerns & involve sr. players to handle the matter.28yrs old Amir is a huge talent & we shouldn't waste him.And for Aamir, he may reconsider his test ckt as his age&form still suit him this v format. No emotional decision pl <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D9%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D9%86%D9%B9_%DA%A9%DB%8C_%D9%82%D8%AF%D8%B1%DA%A9%D8%B1%DB%8C%DA%BA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ٹیلنٹ_کی_قدرکریں</a></p>— Faisal Javed Khan (@FaisalJavedKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/FaisalJavedKhan/status/1339609883545579523?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Snowflake said:
That's a fair argument and we certainly should not be playing someone based on previous performances. But do you think we're giving a little too much importance to the National T20 tournament, and maybe Amir's case in order to justify his exclusion? Wasn't he dropped from the LOI side prior to the National T20 Cup?

And I don't think it was just limited to T20, Amir is not in the team's plans for 50 overs either.

So, again, Amir doesn't deserve preferential treatment and neither is he an out of this world bowler. He does prefer a just treatment though which should be based on his performance.
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I also believe and agree that a domestic tournament cannot be used for an international cricketer's exclusion but, thing is he was excluded from T20 setup before that against Eng (Stats shared would have warranted that in most countries) and Nat T20 was an opportunity for him to impress and get selected again. However, he failed there too so I am not sure on what basis his selection in T20s currently could have been justified.

He has taken retirement before the next ODI series so not sure what team management would have done. However, he deserved to be in the upcoming ODI squad but, unfortunately he has taken retirement even before that.

I would have defended him in the scenario of ODI exclusion but, at the moment he is turning out to be wrong side with poor performances in T20 internationals as well as domestic cricket and then taking retirement because, he believes he has been mistreated.

If he would have been performing in T20s even decently then people would have supported him over Misbah and Waqar but, his exclusion is easily backed by stats.
 
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Shoaib is not a cricketer anymore, he is a Youtuber who will say anything for clicks.

Amir has been mediocre for ages, while he's had Wasim, Waqar and Azhar all in his corner at varying times.

If they can't help this guy then what is Shoaib going to do.
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Shoaib has a different diagnosis for Amir's problems, he believes Amir has ignored the strength, weight lifting and conditioning side of things which is why his pace has been down for the last few years. It's an interesting take on things.

Dennis Lillee made a few technical adjustments to Mitchel Johnson's bowling action and release and Johnson was up from 138 km/hr to 154 km/hr in the next season where he hit his purple patch
 
Loss for both the parties. I think Aamir was unfairly treated since the 2019 world cup, and there is only one (ok maybe 2) names that come to mind, Misbah and Waqar.
Waqar always disliked Aamir and we all know Misbah was not a fan of Aamir. Well, if he was the most successful bowler in 2019 world cup for Pakistan then why even drop him.

Also such antics were also pulled off by Waqar back in the 90s when Wasim used to omit him. Aamir just took a leaf out of Waqar's booklet, he should be proud.

I hope sanity prevails and he reverts his decision, and plays for Pakistan again. Misbah needs to show some maturity here.
 
"The way things appear to me, I am leaving cricket at this time as I am being mentally tortured and I don't think I can take this torture any more"
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I'm confused. Mental torture over what? Where's he getting this mental torture stuff from?
 
Titan24 said:
I also believe and agree that a domestic tournament cannot be used for an international cricketer's exclusion but, thing is he was excluded from T20 setup before that against Eng (Stats shared would have warranted that in most countries) and Nat T20 was an opportunity for him to impress and get selected again. However, he failed there too so I am not sure on what basis his selection in T20s currently could have been justified.

He has taken retirement before the next ODI series so not sure what team management would have done. However, he deserved to be in the upcoming ODI squad but, unfortunately he has taken retirement even before that.

I would have defended him in the scenario of ODI exclusion but, at the moment he is turning out to be wrong side with poor performances in T20 internationals as well as domestic cricket and then taking retirement because, he believes he has been mistreated.

If he would have been performing in T20s even decently then people would have supported him over Misbah and Waqar but, his exclusion is easily backed by stats.
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That's fair. However, wasn't he dropped from the ODI squad too? And I might be wrong here.

From the 2019 WC to getting dropped from the team, it seemed like the rope for Amir was exceptionally short. Wouldn't you agree?
 
hitthestump said:
Shoaib is not a cricketer anymore, he is a Youtuber who will say anything for clicks.

Amir has been mediocre for ages, while he's had Wasim, Waqar and Azhar all in his corner at varying times.

If they can't help this guy then what is Shoaib going to do.
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I can see why you are saying that, and Shoaib sounds like a sellout loose cannon half the time.

However, he is one of the very few in Pakistan who can deconstruct a fast bowling action; its mechanics, and is very knowledgeable on the subject of strength and conditioning.
He acquired most of this during his playing career where he adopted many modern methods to get to the 160kph msrk and in the process worked with a host of specialized coaches, trainers; including Ian Pont as well as somebody who I cant recall, but was a Javelin coach (he hired him to increase his arm speed, through Javelin principles)

Wasim and Waqar are very old fashioned in their approach and adopted none of these modern methods during their careers. Therefore, the fact that their coaching stints had no impact on Amir makes perfect sense because they offer nothing different.

Azhar is better than them but I am not sure if Amir had a decent off season and as he was on the road continuously during the time he was bowling coach.

Despire all of that Amir himself is to blame for this because it cannot possible that he didnt see his bowling deteriorate over the course of time.

However, it is still not late, as it is just a 3,4 month job if Shoaib can hook him up with the right specialists who can then adress to his issues.
 
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Loss for both the parties. I think Aamir was unfairly treated since the 2019 world cup, and there is only one (ok maybe 2) names that come to mind, Misbah and Waqar.
Waqar always disliked Aamir and we all know Misbah was not a fan of Aamir. Well, if he was the most successful bowler in 2019 world cup for Pakistan then why even drop him.

Also such antics were also pulled off by Waqar back in the 90s when Wasim used to omit him. Aamir just took a leaf out of Waqar's booklet, he should be proud.

I hope sanity prevails and he reverts his decision, and plays for Pakistan again. Misbah needs to show some maturity here.
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On the back of performances like Amir's during the 2019 WC, players last for years while doing NOTHING! Now I'm not saying that that is the right approach, all I'm saying that a different set of rules are being applied in Amir's case.
 
Disappointed at both Misbah/Waqar and Amir.

Amir for being emotional, entitled child. He has Brit nationality now so that's the only reason he's doing and saying all this.

Even Wasim Akram and Waqar didn't do such dramas on getting dropped.

And sad at Misbah for not handling Amir's ego and entitlement attitude. Usually Misbah is great at this and a great people manager.

Amir isn't great but is better than the rest. So looks like Misbah is also really emotional in this case.
 
Snowflake said:
That's fair. However, wasn't he dropped from the ODI squad too? And I might be wrong here.

From the 2019 WC to getting dropped from the team, it seemed like the rope for Amir was exceptionally short. Wouldn't you agree?
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He was only rested from ODIs vs Zim along with Shinwari and they both did reasonably well vs Srl. As per management the purpose was to give an opportunity to young pacers like Rauf, Hasnain and Musa.

It would have been wrong if both Amir and Shinwari werent selected for next ODI series.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Differences between Mohammad Amir and PCB could have been resolved. A lack of communication lead to mistrust on both sides and to a situation that could have been avoided <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1339565385339838467?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2020</a></blockquote>
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I don't like the way this implies they are equal parties or that they have some equal weight in a negotiation or something like that.
 
Saj said:
I'm confused. Mental torture over what? Where's he getting this mental torture stuff from?
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just send him to the right Shoaib so he can do some dead lifts and bulk up that skinny body of his.
 
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Titan24 said:
He was only rested from ODIs vs Zim along with Shinwari and they both did reasonably well vs Srl. As per management the purpose was to give an opportunity to young pacers like Rauf, Hasnain and Musa.

It would have been wrong if both Amir and Shinwari werent selected for next ODI series.
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If anyone, Shaheen was the needed that needed rest. Tbh, that seemed more like a planned move by the team. With Amir, its either about giving his rest, giving other youngsters a chance or the fact that he doesn't play all formats.

I highly doubt he was in contention to be picked for the next ODI series.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Shoaib Jatt - but you just send him to the right Shoaib so he can do some dead lifts and bulk up that skinny body of his.
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This jatt guy is like a cancer.
He is a sly manipulator who would ruin anybody's career for the sake of getting views. He did it with Umar Akmal and now it is Amir's turn.
It is disappointing how ignorant these players are how they dont understand the motives of a sleazy fella like him.
 
Saj said:
I'm confused. Mental torture over what? Where's he getting this mental torture stuff from?
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He probably means those comments in the media from waqar and co and the constant speculation by fans that he doesnt want to play for pakistan

He obviously is overplaying it looking for sympathy calling it mental torture when its nothing of the sort

It looks like amir cant handle a bit of criticism and look at his role in all this Some overdue self introspection is needed from him
 
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