Mohammad Amir's pace in UAE Test matches

[Madplayer]

I am sorry but his pace was pathetic throughout the test match. It was painful to watch him trundle ineffectively and hover around 127-132 kph consistantly with an odd ball around 138kph or so.

I am certainly not asking him to bowl 150 clicks every ball but it was expected that he would be averaging higher 130s at the very least being the premier bowler of Pakistan and given the fact that he does have the ability to do it.

What is the reason for this lack of pace?

Some hidden injury? Or fear of getting injured?

Lack of motivation?

Simply not putting in enough effort? Not considering it important to operate at optimum or close to optimum pace?

It certainly is not lack of ability.

 

[Buffet]

His average speed in the first inning was 130.5 KPH

 

[Madplayer]

His average speed in the first inning was 130.5 KPH

Pathetic to say the least. And people criticise Abbas for lack of pace.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Absolutely. Very annoying. Should play Wahab in the next match alongside Yas, Asghar and Abbas.

 

[Buffet]

I am sorry but his pace was pathetic throughout the test match. It was painful to watch him trundle ineffectively and hover around 127-132 kph consistantly with an odd ball around 138kph or so.

I am certainly not asking him to bowl 150 clicks every ball but it was expected that he would be averaging higher 130s at the very least being the premier bowler of Pakistan and given the fact that he does have the ability to do it.

What is the reason for this lack of pace?

Some hidden injury? Or fear of getting injured?

Lack of motivation?

Simply not putting in enough effort? Not considering it important to operate at optimum or close to optimum pace?

It certainly is not lack of ability.

He hasn't done anything so far in his 30 tests career to get that tag.

 

[Madplayer]

He hasn't done anything so far in his 30 tests career to get that tag.

On second thought you are right. But i was referring more to the hype around him. He is expected to be the spearhead of this attack.

 

[Buffet]

Pathetic to say the least. And people criticise Abbas for lack of pace.

He may be carrying an injury.

If he had not gone wicket-less in this test, Pakistan could have won it. Many times PPers focus only on match winning performances. Being the only wicket-less pacer didn't help Pakistan specially when management went with 3 pacers. That's a match losing performance in such a close match.

 

[Buffet]

On second thought you are right. But i was referring more to the hype around him. He is expected to be the spearhead of this attack.

He does have some skills, but hype should follow after consistent good performances. I see so many references of CT final due to his 3 wickets, but PPers fail to realize that most bowlers look threatening when they are defending 340 in ODI ot 600 in tests. Real test is doing good consistently.

I just think that he was given easy return without proving himself in domestic. He is not that motivated. He can surely do better. If he bowls less defensive and add few miles then he will look a different bowler. I was surprised to see so defensive bowling in green pitches in NZ during the test series. Even then many PPers were simply finding excuse for such a poor bowling. It's due to having this premature hype.

He is not a bad bowler by any means, but not really a top class as well. Then if you add lack of fire to do well then you get such performances. Pakistan needs to get few young bowlers in playing XI for competition. Extra motivation will go a long way here.

 

[Madplayer]

He may be carrying an injury.

If he had not gone wicket-less in this test, Pakistan could have won it. Many times PPers focus only on match winning performances. Being the only wicket-less pacer didn't help Pakistan specially when management went with 3 pacers. That's a match losing performance in such a close match.

Its either an injury or he simply doesnt give a damn about putting in 100% effort. If it is the second then he should be dropped for a long long time.

I agree, it was a match losing performance.

 

[Buffet]

Its either an injury or he simply doesnt give a damn about putting in 100% effort. If it is the second then he should be dropped for a long long time.

I agree, it was a match losing performance.

LOL, you stole the other point I was trying to make in subsequent post above.

 

[Madplayer]

LOL, you stole the other point I was trying to make in subsequent post above.

What could be the reason for it?

Is it lack of competition in pace department? That he is taking his place for granted.

There were also rumours few months back that Amir wants to retire from tests. Maybe he is not interested to play tests at all?

 

[Buffet]

What could be the reason for it?

Is it lack of competition in pace department? That he is taking his place for granted.

There were also rumours few months back that Amir wants to retire from tests. Maybe he is not interested to play tests at all?

I think this bold part is the reason. Not putting 100% comes due to lack of motivation and that comes due to taking your place for granted.

 

[shaz619]

He put in some big shifts for Essex, he was on full throttle in his bid to help them win the championship. So there could be some fatigue because he has been bowling a lot and also motivational issues as well, he may also have been advised to hold back on these wickets; like why kill yourself bowling on a flat pitch at 100% against Lankan jobbers ? the negative is that we've now lost a test but that's more to do with our pathetic batting and awful strategy, anyhow his performance while it hasn't been spectacular he has held an end which is the least you expect but you do want more from a leader of our pace attack. Expect a better performance in the next test

 

[Buffet]

He put in some big shifts for Essex, he was on full throttle in his bid to help them win the championship. So there could be some fatigue because he has been bowling a lot and also motivational issues as well, he may also have been advised to hold back on these wickets; like why kill yourself bowling on a flat pitch at 100% against Lankan jobbers ? the negative is that we've now lost a test but that's more to do with our pathetic batting and awful strategy, anyhow his performance while it hasn't been spectacular he has held an end which is the least you expect but you do want more from a leader of our pace attack. Expect a better performance in the next test

Well, then he should have been rested for another spinner.

 

[Rana]

He put in some big shifts for Essex, he was on full throttle in his bid to help them win the championship. So there could be some fatigue because he has been bowling a lot and also motivational issues as well, he may also have been advised to hold back on these wickets; like why kill yourself bowling on a flat pitch at 100% against Lankan jobbers ? the negative is that we've now lost a test but that's more to do with our pathetic batting and awful strategy, anyhow his performance while it hasn't been spectacular he has held an end which is the least you expect but you do want more from a leader of our pace attack. Expect a better performance in the next test

This. Hit the nail on the head.

 

[LordJames]

He is either tired or can't be borthered. Either way he needs to be rested to get his mind/body back in the Game

 

[Rana]

Sri Lankan Jobbers

 

[sachin100]

so much for virat kohli specialist.he got him once after his return .in every match other than that final virat is the difference against pakistan.

 

[Savak]

Umm, OP, maybe he is not as good as he was made out to be.

 

[waleed88]

He may be carrying an injury.

If he had not gone wicket-less in this test, Pakistan could have won it. Many times PPers focus only on match winning performances. Being the only wicket-less pacer didn't help Pakistan specially when management went with 3 pacers. That's a match losing performance in such a close match.

Or he's just not interested when he doesn't get the rub of the green in his favor

 

[Reddy]

Amir is an overhyped Trundler bowling in high 120 k's, it is just that now hype is meeting reality and his fans are flabbergasted and trying to justify his mediocrity. Amir should stick to limited overs cricket which is suited to his stamina and ability.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

He never was a real fast bowler, he bowls at bhuvi's old speed, but bhuvi has considerably improved his speed and fitness in the last couple of years, amir needs to get on bhuvi's diet

 

[Madplayer]

Umm, OP, maybe he is not as good as he was made out to be.

The thread is not about quality. It is simply about pace. Or do you believe late 120s is his actual pace?

If you say in tests this is his normal speed, then just in previous test series he bowled at higher speeds for a longer period of time. I wont even bother replying to trolls who are saying that he is a trundler because he is not.

 

[Napa]

the negative is that we've now lost a test but that's more to do with our pathetic batting and awful strategy

While Pakistani batting no doubt shares part of the blame, it is also true that SL won by 21 runs, and Amir conceded 90 runs without getting a wicket.

 

[Napa]

There were also rumours few months back that Amir wants to retire from tests. Maybe he is not interested to play tests at all?

Are T20 leagues and country cricket more financially lucrative than Test cricket? There have been other players such as Gayle who have given up playing Test cricket to maximize their lifetime earnings' potential.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Its either an injury or he simply doesnt give a damn about putting in 100% effort. If it is the second then he should be dropped for a long long time.

I agree, it was a match losing performance.

Nah man. To drop your premier bowler for a 'long, long time' is not the way to go.

There's no doubt about the fact that he IS the best bowler we have. He's not performing right now because of not putting in 100% effort but that doesn't mean that he deserves to be dropped. The team should have him work with coaches and motivate him.

It also could be the possibility that the management has advised him against bending his back for unimportant matches like these ones in order to avoid a long-term injury. And I see nothing wrong with that. Don't want another case of a bowler getting blown out too early.

 

[Abdullah719]

There were also rumours few months back that Amir wants to retire from tests. Maybe he is not interested to play tests at all?

He unequivocally stated this was rubbish. These rumours had no basis.

But his pace was a concern in this match.

 

[ExpressPacer]

He is a very good bowler still!

 

[Madplayer]

Nah man. To drop your premier bowler for a 'long, long time' is not the way to go.

There's no doubt about the fact that he IS the best bowler we have. He's not performing right now because of not putting in 100% effort but that doesn't mean that he deserves to be dropped. The team should have him work with coaches and motivate him.

It also could be the possibility that the management has advised him against bending his back for unimportant matches like these ones in order to avoid a long-term injury. And I see nothing wrong with that. Don't want another case of a bowler getting blown out too early.

Why not simply rest him then If he has had such a long county season? Why play him and ask him to operate at minimal levels of effort? He would gain nothing from it and neither will the team as was proved in this match.

 

[Madplayer]

He unequivocally stated this was rubbish. These rumours had no basis.

But his pace was a concern in this match.

Well one couldnt have expected him to come out and say that he wants to retire from tests. Still I dont believe the rumours, but he does look disinterested. Dont you agree?

 

[sachin100]

his fan boys justifications are hilarious.county cricket is the new excuse now

if u r premier bowler doesnt take wickets against border line minnow how is he a premier bowler?


another excuse is unimportant series like this ?what has he done against aus,nz,eng since his return ?are they not important?

 

[Rightarmfast]

He has always trundled in Test matches, atleast for the last 1 yr or so. I have not seen him bowling 140's consistent in any test match I have watched, atleast in the last 1 yr. In 1 ODI's and T20's, when he is asked to bowl 4-5 overs, he exceeds 140's at times. He is officially a trundler who has been overhyped, not a fast bowler.

 

[Zaz]

Maybe hes carrying an injury or maybe looking at the conditions he decided not to flog himself

If its the former he shouldnt have played if its the latter thats the wrong attitude

Yes i can understand its disheartening bowling on a dead wkt but there should be some effort whstever the conditons

I suggest a word or two is required that his place isnt guaranteed and performances like in this test arent good enough

I expect a better response in the next game

 

[Abdullah719]

Well one couldnt have expected him to come out and say that he wants to retire from tests. Still I dont believe the rumours, but he does look disinterested. Dont you agree?

I don't see any reason why he would want to quit Test cricket, plus I don't see why he would have taken up a county contract and played four-day games for Essex if he wasn't interested in the longest format.

I don't know whether he is still carrying the injury, if he's burnt out or whether he just doesn't have the heart to give his all on such a pitch, like we expect from the likes of Wahab. Either way, his performance here barring one spell was unacceptable.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I think if he sees a dead pitch he just goes into containment mode

Azhar Mahmoud mentioned that he didn’t go all out till the CT final

I still think Amir needs a year to get back to where he was

 

[Abdullah719]

He has always trundled in Test matches, atleast for the last 1 yr or so. I have not seen him bowling 140's consistent in any test match I have watched, atleast in the last 1 yr. In 1 ODI's and T20's, when he is asked to bowl 4-5 overs, he exceeds 140's at times. He is officially a trundler who has been overhyped, not a fast bowler.

No fast bowler bowls out and out for 25 overs an innings. Obviously they'll be faster in an ODI where you just have a ten over quota to complete, at best.

But that doesn't mean that a bowler goes from bowling around 140kph which is usually roundabout where Amir is at to 130kph. That's a drastic drop. He wasn't bowling at that speed in previous Test matches which is why people have been surprised by his pace here.

 

[Hasan123]

I think he is holding himself back on these pitches.

 

[Rightarmfast]

No fast bowler bowls out and out for 25 overs an innings. Obviously they'll be faster in an ODI where you just have a ten over quota to complete, at best.

But that doesn't mean that a bowler goes from bowling around 140kph which is usually roundabout where Amir is at to 130kph. That's a drastic drop. He wasn't bowling at that speed in previous Test matches which is why people have been surprised by his pace here.

No bhai, I have been observing his pace for almost an year, and he has been trundling in 130's. I say this with all seriousness. Obviously, no fast bowler bowls in 140's consistently in test matches, but Amir has been for most parts, been in the lower end of 130's. As a Pakistani, it might hurt you to admit it, but facts are facts!

 

[Saj]

He did not look fully fit to me.

He looked laboured and fatigued and out of practice.

The bottom line is if he was not fully fit then he should not have been picked.

 

[aloo paratha]

Looks like he just doesn't really care to make a difference, don't see any passion.

 

[majiz]

He’s bowling like an old trundler go check YouTube in twenty 20 against aus he was bowling 145+, don’t think he’ll ever get it back

 

[majiz]

Also his action just isn’t the same and he has nowhere near the same energy and
spring through the crease

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No fast bowler bowls out and out for 25 overs an innings. Obviously they'll be faster in an ODI where you just have a ten over quota to complete, at best.

But that doesn't mean that a bowler goes from bowling around 140kph which is usually roundabout where Amir is at to 130kph. That's a drastic drop. He wasn't bowling at that speed in previous Test matches which is why people have been surprised by his pace here.

In the Caribbean series, i pointed out that his pace was around 132 kph or so but since he could swing the Duke ball, he did pretty OK. His pace has been down since then.

 

[Rayyman]

I am very worried by his performance in this match.

 

[Savak]

He isnt that good as people think he is.

 

[shaz619]

While Pakistani batting no doubt shares part of the blame, it is also true that SL won by 21 runs, and Amir conceded 90 runs without getting a wicket.

I see where you're coming from, when Pakistan beat India by 12 runs in Chennai back in 1999; Sachin Tendulkar conceded 10 runs in the 1st innings and 35 in the second, he did take a wicket though gotta give him that. Joshi also conceded about 78 runs.

 

[Rayyman]

Amir has the BEST economy rate among ALL bowlers in 2017 who have bowled more than 5 overs. Yes, not taking wickets, but keeping things VERY tight.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...r_economy_rate.html?class=1;id=2017;type=year

 

[waleed88]

he does have some skills, but hype should follow after consistent good performances. I see so many references of ct final due to his 3 wickets, but ppers fail to realize that most bowlers look threatening when they are defending 340 in odi ot 600 in tests. Real test is doing good consistently.

I just think that he was given easy return without proving himself in domestic. He is not that motivated. He can surely do better. If he bowls less defensive and add few miles then he will look a different bowler. I was surprised to see so defensive bowling in green pitches in nz during the test series. Even then many ppers were simply finding excuse for such a poor bowling. It's due to having this premature hype.

He is not a bad bowler by any means, but not really a top class as well. Then if you add lack of fire to do well then you get such performances. Pakistan needs to get few young bowlers in playing xi for competition. Extra motivation will go a long way here.

potw

 

[waleed88]

Amir has the BEST economy rate among ALL bowlers in 2017 who have bowled more than 5 overs. Yes, not taking wickets, but keeping things VERY tight.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...r_economy_rate.html?class=1;id=2017;type=year

Yes and has been the bowler with the most wicketless spells in the past year

 

[Ellipsism]

Amir has the BEST economy rate among ALL bowlers in 2017 who have bowled more than 5 overs. Yes, not taking wickets, but keeping things VERY tight.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...r_economy_rate.html?class=1;id=2017;type=year

The importance of ER in test cricket is grossly overrated in test cricket, unless you're going at 3.5+ runs per over consistently it's a pretty insignificant stat. There's only one way you can win test cricket and that's by taking 20 wickets, and it doesn't help when your frontline bowler rarely picks up a wicket.

The argument may arise that he's applying pressure but doesn't reap the awards, there's only one instance where that argument may hold and that was in the Boxing Day test- but otherwise this is a fallacious argument, no half decent bastman is under pressure face 129-132 km/h thunderbolts on a fifth stump line on a absolute pancake of a pitch

 

[Rayyman]

The importance of ER in test cricket is grossly overrated in test cricket, unless you're going at 3.5+ runs per over consistently it's a pretty insignificant stat. There's only one way you can win test cricket and that's by taking 20 wickets, and it doesn't help when your frontline bowler rarely picks up a wicket.

The argument may arise that he's applying pressure but doesn't reap the awards, there's only one instance where that argument may hold and that was in the Boxing Day test- but otherwise this is a fallacious argument, no half decent bastman is under pressure face 129-132 km/h thunderbolts on a fifth stump line on a absolute pancake of a pitch

It does make a difference.

For example, if all of your bowlers were Morkel and went at 3.17 an over for 88 overs, that would yield 279 runs in one day's play.

And lets say you have Amirs bowling for you at 2.08 an over, that would yield 183 runs in one day!

Not saying that wickets aren't important, but they aren't everything.

 

[Ellipsism]

It does make a difference.

For example, if all of your bowlers were Morkel and went at 3.17 an over for 88 overs, that would yield 279 runs in one day's play.

And lets say you have Amirs bowling for you at 2.08 an over, that would yield 183 runs in one day!

Not saying that wickets aren't important, but they aren't everything.

As long as a bowler is consistently picking up wickets in test cricket their ER is irrelevant. Of course having someone that keeps thing tight is required to have a well-rounded attack, but if their sole responsibility is to not give away runs or create opportunities (As Amir is doing, he created only 1 opportunity from the 39 overs he bowled this test) then might as well go with an all-rounder.

Would you rather have 183-1 or 279-5 after a days play?

 

[Rayyman]

As long as a bowler is consistently picking up wickets in test cricket their ER is irrelevant. Of course having someone that keeps thing tight is required to have a well-rounded attack, but if their sole responsibility is to not give away runs or create opportunities (As Amir is doing, he created only 1 opportunity from the 39 overs he bowled this test) then might as well go with an all-rounder.

Would you rather have 183-1 or 279-5 after a days play?

Actually, Amirs (Average: 31), would leave a team 183-5 at the end of a day while Morkels (Average: 25) would leave them 255 all out.

Now that's pretty equal if you ask me

 

[kingusama92]

He’s bowling like an old trundler go check YouTube in twenty 20 against aus he was bowling 145+, don’t think he’ll ever get it back

He was hitting 140+ throughout the CT final.

 

[Gubol123]

Actually, Amirs (Average: 31), would leave a team 183-5 at the end of a day while Morkels (Average: 25) would leave them 255 all out.

Now that's pretty equal if you ask me

if you extrapolate further 310 all out after five sessions may not win you many matches. But getting opposition out in a days play for 255 will win you many many matches

 

[Gubol123]

It does make a difference.

For example, if all of your bowlers were Morkel and went at 3.17 an over for 88 overs, that would yield 279 runs in one day's play.

And lets say you have Amirs bowling for you at 2.08 an over, that would yield 183 runs in one day!

Not saying that wickets aren't important, but they aren't everything.

having a good ER has helped him to maintain a good average. For eg, if Ishant had the same ER as Amir his bowling average would have been almost same as Amir . so by bowling defensively Amir is saving some runs but his impact is exactly same as Ishanth

 

[Rayyman]

if you extrapolate further 310 all out after five sessions may not win you many matches. But getting opposition out in a days play for 255 will win you many many matches

Yea, you are right. Good math.

But this is all hypothetical and doesn't count in other factors.

My point is that although wickets are important, going at 2 an over at average of 30 isn't that much worse than 3 an over at 25.

There are some uncalled for comments on here calling him a harmless trundler or pathetic bowler. Posts which have no real truth to them.

I have stated above that Amir's performance has been disappointing. I expect better from the spearhead of our attack. Hope he bounces back well next game.

 

[Gubol123]

Yea, you are right. Good math.

But this is all hypothetical and doesn't count in other factors.

My point is that although wickets are important, going at 2 an over at average of 30 isn't that much worse than 3 an over at 25.

There are some uncalled for comments on here calling him a harmless trundler or pathetic bowler. Posts which have no real truth to them.

I have stated above that Amir's performance has been disappointing. I expect better from the spearhead of our attack. Hope he bounces back well next game.

Amir is certainly not a harmless trundler as far his capabilities are concerned. But you can't deny the fact that he does trundle sometimes in tests. This could be due to multiple reasons like motivation levels, fitness levels, lack of support from others etc. You will agree with me when I say that first two points are not acceptable when someone is playing at international level. One has to find ways to motivate oneself when playing at test level. Fitness is again something he can work on. Support from other end is something his captain and coaches have to work on. But all of that can be taken care and should be taken care when most of the team management agrees he has the required skills

 

[Ellipsism]

Yea, you are right. Good math.

But this is all hypothetical and doesn't count in other factors.

My point is that although wickets are important, going at 2 an over at average of 30 isn't that much worse than 3 an over at 25.

There are some uncalled for comments on here calling him a harmless trundler or pathetic bowler. Posts which have no real truth to them.

I have stated above that Amir's performance has been disappointing. I expect better from the spearhead of our attack. Hope he bounces back well next game.

Per say that Amir has an average of 30 with an ER of 2 (it isn't by the way, his average is closer to 40 since his return)- that means it takes him 15 overs to take a wicket, i.e. a SR of 90! In theory, it would take Amir 150 overs (with false stats) to bowl out a side whilst conceding 300.

If a bowler has a average of 25 and an ER of 3, it means he has a SR of 50. Extrapolating, it would take 80 odd overs to bowl out the side whilst conceding 240 odd.

The difference is massive!

Amir has a SR of 90 this year and a SR of 80 since his return, that is down right pathetic for a front line bowler.

 

[Bubby]

Does he have some niggle or injury, I mean his deliveries were really lacking zip.

 

[Abdullah]

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] next time there is a n interview with mickey azhar or amir pls ask the question.
I genuinely believe he can slip himself when he wants and have seen it at various stages in the last 18 months. Just not enough

 

[jusarrived]

I have seen lot of SC bowlers whos pace shoots up when they bowl in Eng , SA etc or even in SC when the conditions are helpful . Even Asif whos a much slower bowler was bowling close to 140 in the last series he played in England . Bhuvis pace fluctuates from 130-145 depending on the conditions .

The only current bowlers from Asia who can bowl 145+ irrespective of conditions are Wahab , Yadav and Shami

 

[jusarrived]

To add , you guys need to accept that Aamir is some one who knows to exploit the conditions very well , amongst the best at the moment . its not such a bad thing , his role should be that of a support bowler on flat pitches at best .

 

[Savak]

The problem is not motivation, it is incapability, ofcourse he is feeling the heat due to non performance, he does not have what it takes to do well in the UAE and Sub-continent.

 

[Gubol123]

Per say that Amir has an average of 30 with an ER of 2 (it isn't by the way, his average is closer to 40 since his return)- that means it takes him 15 overs to take a wicket, i.e. a SR of 90! In theory, it would take Amir 150 overs (with false stats) to bowl out a side whilst conceding 300.

If a bowler has a average of 25 and an ER of 3, it means he has a SR of 50. Extrapolating, it would take 80 odd overs to bowl out the side whilst conceding 240 odd.

The difference is massive!

Amir has a SR of 90 this year and a SR of 80 since his return, that is down right pathetic for a front line bowler.

Somehow I get a feeling he is not all that interested to play test cricket. Maybe he wants to restrict himself to LOIS. May be this is his way of sidelining himself from test cricket

 

[Gubol123]

I have seen lot of SC bowlers whos pace shoots up when they bowl in Eng , SA etc or even in SC when the conditions are helpful . Even Asif whos a much slower bowler was bowling close to 140 in the last series he played in England . Bhuvis pace fluctuates from 130-145 depending on the conditions .

The only current bowlers from Asia who can bowl 145+ irrespective of conditions are Wahab , Yadav and Shami

+ Bumrah

 

[Gubol123]

To add , you guys need to accept that Aamir is some one who knows to exploit the conditions very well , amongst the best at the moment . its not such a bad thing , his role should be that of a support bowler on flat pitches at best .

Amir only knows to exploit one type of conditions, when the conditions help him to swing the ball. In fact even that he didn't do all that well during his tour of England and New Zealand. Under every other conditions he was found out to be pretty ordinary

 

[Savak]

Even Wasim was more effective than Amir at the end of his career.

 

[New Yorker]

He does have some skills, but hype should follow after consistent good performances. I see so many references of CT final due to his 3 wickets, but PPers fail to realize that most bowlers look threatening when they are defending 340 in ODI ot 600 in tests. Real test is doing good consistently.

I just think that he was given easy return without proving himself in domestic. He is not that motivated. He can surely do better. If he bowls less defensive and add few miles then he will look a different bowler. I was surprised to see so defensive bowling in green pitches in NZ during the test series. Even then many PPers were simply finding excuse for such a poor bowling. It's due to having this premature hype.

He is not a bad bowler by any means, but not really a top class as well. Then if you add lack of fire to do well then you get such performances. Pakistan needs to get few young bowlers in playing XI for competition. Extra motivation will go a long way here.

If this were true Bumrah should have been the second coming of Waqar once India put 321 runs on the board against Lanka in the CT. In the end he took no wickets.

Truth is India was under absolutely no pressure to take chances within the first 15 overs of the CT final, which is when Amir ran through them.

They don't hit out from the get go, that is not their strategy, and they knew they could chase such scores. Rohit was out playing a defensive shot.

Amir is a terrific big match ODI bowler, and so far a very patchy Test bowler. That's it.

 

[Buffet]

If this were true Bumrah should have been the second coming of Waqar once India put 321 runs on the board against Lanka in the CT. In the end he took no wickets.

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Most bowlers look threatening when defending 340 in ODI and 600 in tests. That doesn't translates to all bowlers look threatening all the time while defending 340 in ODI and 600 in tests. We have had many instances of 300+ getting chased, but most of the times when you put 340 then match is already over. History shows that. Then you add a unique pressure of ICC final and 340 runs.

In ICC finals, how many times 340 has been chased? How many times 300 has been chased?

 

[Ab Fan]

Better in odis.

 

[IAJ]

He was bowling in 41 degrees celcius, how om earth do you bowl 140 there, you need to manage yourself in these conditions and he has bowled non stop since summer. Everyone knows he can crack it up whenever he wants. Come the good conditions, he will be up there again.

 

[princeuk]

He has lost confidence because the fielders again let him down in this test match, you give it your all when your field backs you. He didnt have this problem playing with Essex, its only the pakistani fielders that let him down.

 

[Buffet]

He has lost confidence because the fielders again let him down in this test match, you give it your all when your field backs you. He didnt have this problem playing with Essex, its only the pakistani fielders that let him down.

Agree here. Fielding of Pakistani players is holding him back.

Anyway, how many chances he created in this test match? And how many were dropped?

 

[waleed88]

He has lost confidence because the fielders again let him down in this test match, you give it your all when your field backs you. He didnt have this problem playing with Essex, its only the pakistani fielders that let him down.

What a joke!! Alot of his wickets for Essex were bowled and lbw fyi

 

[waleed88]

If this were true Bumrah should have been the second coming of Waqar once India put 321 runs on the board against Lanka in the CT. In the end he took no wickets.

Truth is India was under absolutely no pressure to take chances within the first 15 overs of the CT final, which is when Amir ran through them.

They don't hit out from the get go, that is not their strategy, and they knew they could chase such scores. Rohit was out playing a defensive shot.

Amir is a terrific big match ODI bowler, and so far a very patchy Test bowler. That's it.

I'm sorry remind me which other big match ODI he won for us? Am I missing something here? Any 5'fers from him?

 

[sachin100]

Most bowlers look threatening when defending 340 in ODI and 600 in tests. That doesn't translates to all bowlers look threatening all the time while defending 340 in ODI and 600 in tests. We have had many instances of 300+ getting chased, but most of the times when you put 340 then match is already over. History shows that. Then you add a unique pressure of ICC final and 340 runs.

In ICC finals, how many times 340 has been chased? How many times 300 has been chased?

U make too much sense which will fall into deaf ears of pak fans.

For them pak won due to atg spell of amir only and nothing to do with their batsman

 

[hadi123]

Most bowlers look threatening when defending 340 in ODI and 600 in tests. That doesn't translates to all bowlers look threatening all the time while defending 340 in ODI and 600 in tests. We have had many instances of 300+ getting chased, but most of the times when you put 340 then match is already over. History shows that. Then you add a unique pressure of ICC final and 340 runs.

In ICC finals, how many times 340 has been chased? How many times 300 has been chased?

What about when defending low scores? His performances against India when we were defending low scores were fantastic in the 2016 Asia Cup and he was threatening in the group match against them as well in the World T20.

 

[Gubol123]

What about when defending low scores? His performances against India when we were defending low scores were fantastic in the 2016 Asia Cup and he was threatening in the group match against them as well in the World T20.

Still, did not win the matches for his team. Sure you can look million dollars without really having the impact to win matches... That is how Rohit Sharma used to be before he moved to open in LOIs

 

[backfootpunch]

Well one couldnt have expected him to come out and say that he wants to retire from tests. Still I dont believe the rumours, but he does look disinterested. Dont you agree?

I think the rumours are true because he has no motivation whenever he's bowling with the kookaburra.