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Mohammad Hafeez gets his own COVID-19 test done - and its negative! Are PCB tests to be trusted?

Kroll said:
Man, this is turning into such a circus, what an embarrassment!

Hafeez should be kicked out for good due to insubordination.
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Depends if the second one pcb turns out to be negative then it's fine but if the pcb test stil says its positive he should be booted out and fined and the lab who did this test should be fined for false information
 
coy0607 said:
There's a lot of tests out there with very little data on their validity - leading to a higher percentage of false positive and false negatives than would otherwise be acceptable. That may be what is happening in this situation, rather than some elaborate ploy against an individual

But to answer your question - NO, the PCB can't be trusted. But neither can Hafeez
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Weather pcb can be trusted its different story the tests are done by every player its continuity hafeez should be fined for going against pcb
 
MenInG said:
Just for your information -

Rizwan and Hasnain will not be getting themselves retested and are going by what PCB is asking them to do.

Tests were done at various centers run by Shaukat Khanum Hospital.
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Is that what's being reported tbh I fink they all should be tests part of pcb test system but in a private time and place
 
There is one possibility that nobody seems to be considering, namely, the PCB test was done as Hafeez's COVID-19 infection was nearing its end, and when he did the test 3 days later, he was free of the virus. It is very possible that Hafeez could have been infected 11-12 days before the PCB test, and, as a result, it was positive, whereas when he got tested at Chughtai labs 3 days later, the virus was no longer active.

We seem to be very quick to blame either Hafeez and the PCB for incompetency/undermining/etc depending on whether we are biased against Hafeez or against the PCB (or both), but we are failing to consider all possibilities of the situation.
 
What a can of worms this has opened.

Hafeez is entitled to get a second opinion as we all are with any medical condition. However to publish the results on social media was unprofessional as you're openly calling into question the entire PCB testing regime when such concerns should be raised privately.

Should PCB be releasing the names of Covid-positive players ? Yes. There ought to be transparency so that the contacts of those players can be traced and tested too. Furthermore, if we have a player named in the squad who does not make the flight to England on June 28th, we'd all demand an answer why so PCB needs to be open.

However, PCB should be transparent about its testing provisions and from whom they are sourcing the kits otherwise the players will have no confidence in the whole process.

PCB and the players should take responsibility for the fiasco so far. The players were totally irresponsible in ignoring SOPs and I hope they've been taught a lesson. However PCB should never have allowed group training so early and should've disciplined players violating SOPs instead of waiting for a mess to happen.

What's done is done now. PCB must immediately re-brief the players, enforce quarantine of Covid positive players, limit group training amongst Covid negative players to max 2-3 with social distancing and proper sanitisation measures. Most importantly, publish the provider of its Covid-19 tests and get an outside opinion to evaluate whether that provider is following correct protocol.
 
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Surely any sensible organisation would test each player twice in order to produce a correct analysis
 
namak said:
There is one possibility that nobody seems to be considering, namely, the PCB test was done as Hafeez's COVID-19 infection was nearing its end, and when he did the test 3 days later, he was free of the virus. It is very possible that Hafeez could have been infected 11-12 days before the PCB test, and, as a result, it was positive, whereas when he got tested at Chughtai labs 3 days later, the virus was no longer active.

We seem to be very quick to blame either Hafeez and the PCB for incompetency/undermining/etc depending on whether we are biased against Hafeez or against the PCB (or both), but we are failing to consider all possibilities of the situation.
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When did he do the test with PCB ?
 
MenInG said:
Just for your information -

Rizwan and Hasnain will not be getting themselves retested and are going by what PCB is asking them to do.

Tests were done at various centers run by Shaukat Khanum Hospital.
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Are the testing kits provided by SKH or do they source the kits externally ?
 
Markhor said:
Are the testing kits provided by SKH or do they source the kits externally ?
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I believe most testing kits are imported from abroad. Hafeez should be given a 6 months ban as he has jeopardized the PCB testing and the tour. There is several reasons why the test results can be different. There is no testing kit in the world that is 100% accurate. Plus, the virus only last for 2 weeks, he may have been virus less later.
 
King-Misbah said:
I believe most testing kits are imported from abroad. Hafeez should be given a 6 months ban as he has jeopardized the PCB testing and the tour. There is several reasons why the test results can be different. There is no testing kit in the world that is 100% accurate. Plus, the virus only last for 2 weeks, he may have been virus less later.
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Virus less later you either have the virus or u dont. Weather it's true he has the virus or not he should be banned for not letting the pcb no that hes going to test him self and that he put it on the media stating the result
 
Alright, now that Hafeez has taken this panga by publically announcing his private Test results, he now need to retake the PCB test and produce a negative result for us to truly question the PCB in this case.
 
Junaids said:
I was rather hoping Hafeez would test positive until September.

Given the close contact of Imran and Naseem, I’ve been worried that Naseem has returned a false negative TBH.
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How can you hope of someone being infected with deadly virus?
 
Rana said:
Alright, now that Hafeez has taken this panga by publically announcing his private Test results, he now need to retake the PCB test and produce a negative result for us to truly question the PCB in this case.
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Weather his results or a true thatd different story he shouldn't have publicly said it and should be fined heavily
 
namak said:
There is one possibility that nobody seems to be considering, namely, the PCB test was done as Hafeez's COVID-19 infection was nearing its end, and when he did the test 3 days later, he was free of the virus. It is very possible that Hafeez could have been infected 11-12 days before the PCB test, and, as a result, it was positive, whereas when he got tested at Chughtai labs 3 days later, the virus was no longer active.

We seem to be very quick to blame either Hafeez and the PCB for incompetency/undermining/etc depending on whether we are biased against Hafeez or against the PCB (or both), but we are failing to consider all possibilities of the situation.
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From what i can understand, PCB did(facilitated)tests on 21st & 22nd(from PCB presser) and by yday announced all the results, According to Hafeez he has done the test after PCB one came out +ve, so that means late evening yday. So this all happened with 36-48 hours
 
Rana said:
Alright, now that Hafeez has taken this panga by publically announcing his private Test results, he now need to retake the PCB test and produce a negative result for us to truly question the PCB in this case.
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Did the same tweet 3 times, first one had all his private info incl phone number, NIC number etc, then blurred out Name & phone number but still had NIC number and now finally has got it right on third attempt.

I hope this test he did in his own capacity is indeed correct and may everyone incl him be safe from this virus, but the way he's done all this drama without caring about anything has made this look like a complete shitshow
 
False positive can happen for a number of reasons. For one thing, the sample could have been contaminated with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, leading to a false positive. There’s also the human aspect: a human has to process the sample to varying levels of involvement depending on how much is automated, and so the process is subject to human error.
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...false-positive-and-false-negative-coronavirus
 
The test itself is of low sensitivity from what I hear. There are also a few different types or methods of testing. Was it deep nasal swab, etc.
 
No comment as yet from PCB regarding Hafeez's test.

Also it seems most of the other players who have tested positive will not be having their own alternative tests done and will be following guidance from PCB.
 
ECB tested 702 times and no positives - Bit embarrassing for PCB.
 
Biggest headaches for Pakistan in the last two decades:

1. Shoaib Akhtar
2. Younis Khan
3. Mohammad Yousuf
4. Mohammad Hafeez

The first three were actually world class in one of the 3 formats.
 
Fully supporting Hafeez here. PCB cannot act unprofessionally and not respect the privacy of the players and then not expect it to backfire.
 
Rana said:
Biggest headaches for Pakistan in the last two decades:

1. Shoaib Akhtar
2. Younis Khan
3. Mohammad Yousuf
4. Mohammad Hafeez

The first three were actually world class in one of the 3 formats.
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Asif says Hi.
 
Mamoon said:
Fully supporting Hafeez here. PCB cannot act unprofessionally and not respect the privacy of the players and then not expect it to backfire.
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Think bro, your posts are becoming too predictable.

PCB has every right to disclose the results because if they hadnt, there would have been immense media outrage. Hafeez on the other hand needed to approach the medical team at PCB, let them know about the retest so that they could confirm. At the end of the day, its the PCB who have to answer to ECB to give them the correct count of negative people being brought into the bio-secure area.

I understand that your stance on these issues is coloured by your hate for Imran Khan but need to be careful how you state your povs as they just seem very unreasonable.
 
Saj said:
No comment as yet from PCB regarding Hafeez's test.

Also it seems most of the other players who have tested positive will not be having their own alternative tests done and will be following guidance from PCB.
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Every positive player should be tested again by PCB immediately.Can you imagine what their families are going through right now.
 
Not the first time Hafeez passed a test only to fail it again. Let the circus begin.
 
False negative tests are common , very common but false positive , almost unheard of. It means if he was tested positive in all likelihood he was positive. His negative test probably is false negative, due to poor sampling technique , which is common or due to false report he managed to get it $$$.
 
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I wouldn't trust the PCB normally but if the other option is to trust a pathological liar and corrupt individual like Hafeez, then I will always side with the PCB results.
I have no doubt a little bribe from Hafeez and he can get results to say whatever he wants.
 
Fully expect Hafeez to get a slap on the wrist from PCB.

But the interesting thing now is, does PCB accept his test result or their own.
 
Saj said:
Fully expect Hafeez to get a slap on the wrist from PCB.

But the interesting thing now is, does PCB accept his test result or their own.
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[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] - if you have any contacts with the PCB , maybe you can pass on a message - I can introduce them to a world class physician from South Africa , Dr Steyn who is ready and available to travel to Pakistan especially to carry out a definitive test for Hafeez that will leave no room for any doubts. :)
 
Saj said:
Fully expect Hafeez to get a slap on the wrist from PCB.

But the interesting thing now is, does PCB accept his test result or their own.
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There is nothing to accept.

Hafeez was stupid to get tested when PCB gave him a positive test.

RT-PCR has 99.9 percent accuracy if you come out positive which means a positive is ALMOST A CERTAIN POSITIVE.

While a negative is 70 percent accurate meaning you will MISS the VIRUS 30 percent of the time depending on how the SWAB was taken.


Hafeez probably thought that positive test is wrong and did his own test and came back negative and says I am not infected.

Its an emotional and uneducated decision.

Before doing the tests PCB SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED to the players that IF YOU COME POSITIVE , you are definitely positive but IF YOU COME NEGATIVE, you still have a chance to be infected.

Instead, people are now questioning PCB's testing method and antics.

Scientifically unless you deliberately made Hafeez come out positive because of a personal vendetta there is 0.01 percent chance that his positive test was WRONG.

But I fully expect all the arm-chairs to follow the Hafeez bandwagon. And I also expect PCB to not know the scientific aspects of PCR and at some stage apologize to Hafeez for wrongly giving him positive.
 
So instead of isolating, Hafeez after a positive test went out to the lab, with his family to get tested. All the while putting his family members at risk, those in th elab, and anybody he was near/had contact with. Yet he wants support?

Especially given that the PCB was going to re-test players that tested + in a few days?

Also, blaming PCB for this is absolutely ridiculous. They contracted out testing to a 3rd party with facilities to conduct them. They are not the experts. To keep blaming them for unprofessionalism for informing the media/public about the positive/negative tests is also stupid. We're finding out almost daily of NBA, NFL, MLB, Soccer/Football league players from around the world testing positive.

Hafeez's selfish acts have put countless people's health at risk. Absolute foolishness.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

There is no confidentiality issue here.

With Shoaib Akhtar’s little affliction. nobody needed to know and it had nothing to do with cricket. It was a straightforward attempt by the PCB to humiliate him.

But these ten Positive players were going to miss the flight to England on 28 June. Everybody would have known why.

Statistically it’s 300 times more likely that Hafeez’s second test was a False Negative than that the first one was a False Positive. But he is so uneducated - and so excessively self-confident - that as usual he feels that he has been aggrieved, when it is actually his conduct that is unacceptable.

The PCB should make him sign a formal declaration stating that he has:

1. Not had domestic servants since March.
2. Not attended a Mosque since March.
3. Not had kids go to school from his house since March.
4. Not been to a gym or trained with other cricketers since March.
5. Not had guests in his house since March.
6. Not left the house to go to a restaurant or shop since March.
7. Not hosted, visited or met with friends since March.
8. Not hosted, visited or met with family members who don’t live under his roof since March.
9. Not had a haircut by a barber or hairdresser since March.
10. Not left the house for any other reason since March.

If Hafeez or any player can not confirm that they have abstained from all those dangerous and reckless activities they should be thrown out of the national team for at least a year.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After Tested positive COVID-19 acc to PCB testing Report yesterday,as 2nd opinion & for satisfaction I personally went to Test it again along with my family and here I along with my all family members are reported Negetive Alham du Lillah. May Allah keep us all safe ���� <a href="https://t.co/3WKOkXisdp">pic.twitter.com/3WKOkXisdp</a></p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1275806827234709506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Absolutely disgusting - borderline criminal - conduct by this nasty little man.

At the time he went to be retested he had only had a POSITIVE Test.

And yet he says that he TOOK HIS FAMILY with him to be tested. When he was supposed to be confined to his house in isolation, but also isolated within his house FROM his family.

Reckless.

Irresponsible.

Selfish.

Moronic.

Cretinous.

Disgusting.

Despicable.

I have not respected Hafeez as a cricketer for many years.

And I already thought his behaviour was unacceptable towards his employer in terms of this second test.

But now I see how recklessly he behaves towards his family. This is truly evil behaviour from a person unworthy even of our contempt.
 
I would refer all of you to the case of the boxer Tommy Morrison, the “Great White Hope” in the era of Tyson.

Morrison privately tested HIV+ in the 1990’s, but like with Coronavirus and anything else, the testing is set so that False Positives almost never occur but False Negatives are much more likely.

Morrison kept getting retested privately until he got a False Negative, then used it as a means of being licensed to box.

By the age of 44 he predictably died of AIDS, having infected countless women with the HIV he claimed to have been cleared of ever having had.

Hafeez’ behaviour is a lot like Morrison’s: a mad rush to retest negative, without understanding that False Negatives are far more likely than False Positives. And no consideration for the loved ones he exposed in his bid to retest negative.
 
It's absolutely INSANE to be blaming the PCB here. INSANE. As someone who got diagnosed with COVID-19, and hence went through an extensive research process regarding the tests and how they vary, here's some important information:

1. There was absolutely NO REASON for M. Hafeez to go for a re-test. NO REASON. The false positive rate in the PCR tests (the method use in the cricketers' case) is next to none, and that is a FACT. Plus, the testing capability is already limited in Pakistan and if everyone starts going for a re-test for dil ka sakoon then we're pretty much done.

2. If Hafeez went for a retest due to being skeptical regarding the 'credibility' of the labs that conducted their tests, then I would ask Hafeez, why would PCB sabotage the tests? What's there to gain for them in case of positive results? It's a completely baseless, sensationalist thought.

3. Labelling the PCB (positive) result as the one being the wrong one and not the private (negative) result is the most idiotic, under-researched pre conceived notion I have ever heard in my life. Firstly, the false negative rate in these tests is HUGE (around 30-35%), and considering Hafeez has already received a positive result, a single negative result means NOTHING. He should get tested again and if he gets a negative result two times in a row, then it might hold some mettle. Celebrating the negative result as the correct one is a recipe for disaster, 99% he'll now be spreading the virus due to being careless and complacent. Secondly, it goes to show how terribly biased we are against PCB. I mean, rationally speaking, even if you don't consider the false positive/false negative fact that I have previously mentioned, why isn't anyone considering the fact that the private test hafeez conducted could actually be the incorrect one? Specially considering Hafeez has done the test from Chugtaai labs, which has gained some bad reputation in the past couple of months due to some serious botching up the test results, mixing up samples and giving incorrect results to people.
 
LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has expressed disappointment over all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez’s conduct of sharing his Covid-19 report in public which came negative in contrast to the result of the same test from another lab conducted a day earlier by the board.

PCB chief executive Wasim Khan had a talk with Hafeez over phone with regards to him sharing his Covid-19 report in public instead of making a direct contact with the board, Dawn learnt on Wednesday.

Wasim reminded Hafeez that he should have made a contact with the PCB under such circumstances instead of going public. Wasim told Hafeez that by doing so, the cricketer had put the whole testing process of Pakistan in disrepute.

It was also learnt that Hafeez’s attitude was apologetic throughout a long telephonic conversation. The concerned authorities of the PCB may take further action against Hafeez after considering all the aspect of the case. Hafeez had shared his negative Covid-19 report on his social media account, stating that he got retested on his own after learning that he had tested positive in the test conducted by the PCB.

It may be mentioned here that the PCB had made the arrangements with Shaukat Khanum Hospital for all the Covid-19 tests, while Hafeez went to another lab, which is also accredited with the government, having the authority to do Covid-19 testing.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1565005/pcb-disappointed-with-hafeez-over-retesting
 
CleverSir said:
So instead of isolating, Hafeez after a positive test went out to the lab, with his family to get tested. All the while putting his family members at risk, those in th elab, and anybody he was near/had contact with. Yet he wants support?

Especially given that the PCB was going to re-test players that tested + in a few days?

Also, blaming PCB for this is absolutely ridiculous. They contracted out testing to a 3rd party with facilities to conduct them. They are not the experts. To keep blaming them for unprofessionalism for informing the media/public about the positive/negative tests is also stupid. We're finding out almost daily of NBA, NFL, MLB, Soccer/Football league players from around the world testing positive.

Hafeez's selfish acts have put countless people's health at risk. Absolute foolishness.
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I'm glad someone touched this point.

It's thoroughly irresponsible to do what Hafeez did and essentially criminal. A person with a medically verified positive test CANNOT leave quarantine the way he did.

Before that second test was completed, all Hafeez knew was that he had been diagnosed with COVID-19. In this state, he decides it's okay to put everyone at risk based on a random hunch.

For a man nicknamed "Professor," this is such a low IQ thing to do.
 
Like most have said if he was concerned he should have had arranged a retest privately with the pcb

By going public hes embarassed the pcb and its testing methods
 
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Junaids said:
10. Not left the house for any other reason since March.

If Hafeez or any player can not confirm that they have abstained from all those dangerous and reckless activities they should be thrown out of the national team for at least a year.
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I'm afraid that's not very likely.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bicycle ride with <a href="https://twitter.com/naziahafeez8?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@naziahafeez8</a> <a href="https://t.co/GU4zVVlAqJ">pic.twitter.com/GU4zVVlAqJ</a></p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1262823957083930625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Golf ��️*♂️ swing getting better ? <a href="https://t.co/jkwQmL1jDC">pic.twitter.com/jkwQmL1jDC</a></p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1270404941375574018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don't think any of the players will be able to abide by those standards.
 
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Another point to note, which I saw a few people mention on social media.

Under Hafeez's tweet, some of the conspiracy theorist types were there, raising doubts about the virus itself.

By putting a positive result under scrutiny, Hafeez has (probably unwittingly) furthered some of the doubts people have, which Pakistan can ill afford at the moment if you see how COVID-19 has spread in the country.

As a sportsman, he has massive reach and influence.
 
Oh my goodness. There is simply no way to describe Hafeez. Just ban him for a year. This guy is selfish and pure mental.
 
kingusama92 said:
I'm glad someone touched this point.

It's thoroughly irresponsible to do what Hafeez did and essentially criminal. A person with a medically verified positive test CANNOT leave quarantine the way he did.

Before that second test was completed, all Hafeez knew was that he had been diagnosed with COVID-19. In this state, he decides it's okay to put everyone at risk based on a random hunch.

For a man nicknamed "Professor," this is such a low IQ thing to do.
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Best post of the year.
 
Mamoon said:
It is a complete circus.

First, the allowed the players to train together with no regard for SOPs.

Second, they threw the players under the bus and absolved themselves from all blame.

Third, it appears that some of the test results are dodgy, which means that it is possible that some players are infected but PCB thinks they are not, and that means that more and more players will get infected.

I cannot comment on why the tests came out wrong and where the lapse happened, since this is not my domain, but ultimately, you have to point fingers at PCB. Wherever the lapse happened, it is because of PCB’s incompetence.

Mani and Wasim are only good for creating new fancy positions and throwing money at them.
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Another essay expected from you?
 
Hafeez should be dropped from this tour. Honestly his sense of entitlement is sickening and he risked jeopardising a cricket tour and the safety of others just to prove a point.
 
Firstly, best of luck to Hafeez in recovering from his infection.

Now that Hafeez has even out done himself in being an irresponsible primadonna, PCB should bin him for good.

At 40 years of age and not offering anything useful, there is no mileage in keeping Hafeez on the books unless the PCB wants a constant headache that this self-entitled guru brings.
 
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that Hafeez has successfully proved that he is not an age-fudger.

I guess every cloud has a silver lining after all.

Unless NADRA is complicit in his fudging which is unlikely.
 
Kroll said:
Firstly, best of luck to Hafeez in recovering from his infection.

Now that Hafeez has even out done himself in being an irresponsible primadonna, PCB should bin him for good.

At 40 years of age and not offering anything useful, there is no mileage in keeping Hafeez on the books unless the PCB wants a constant headache that this self-entitled guru brings.
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Agreed he should be booted out you would expect better from a 40 year old
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Hafeez should be dropped from this tour. Honestly his sense of entitlement is sickening and he risked jeopardising a cricket tour and the safety of others just to prove a point.
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I agree let's see if wasim khan has guts to get rid of him
 
Abdullah719 said:
How are the test results unreliable? Based on what I've heard from doctors, a positive test means that a person is almost certain to have the virus (i.e., false positive isn't really a thing). Whereas a negative test has a 30% chance of being a false negative.

Can any of the doctors here confirm? [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION], [MENTION=128087]last_knight[/MENTION], [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], etc. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you're welcome too if you can answer this objectively...
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Manoon as usual you again want to sell your agenda. When it become a threat to genral public ( any disease which is transmissible ) then no harm in making result public and PCB did the right thing. Can you please tell us how much is the possibility of being false positives and false negative. As far as I know the possibility of being false negative is 35% while less than 5 % of being false positive. Hafeez definitely need a kick in the butt.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I'm afraid that's not very likely.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bicycle ride with <a href="https://twitter.com/naziahafeez8?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@naziahafeez8</a> <a href="https://t.co/GU4zVVlAqJ">pic.twitter.com/GU4zVVlAqJ</a></p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1262823957083930625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Golf ��️*♂️ swing getting better ? <a href="https://t.co/jkwQmL1jDC">pic.twitter.com/jkwQmL1jDC</a></p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1270404941375574018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don't think any of the players will be able to abide by those standards.
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Wow when was this what a idiot talk about setting example for the kids
 
Nothing wrong with riding a bicycle or playing golf. You can easily maintain social distancing in both. Golf clubs have been open across the country for a while now, as long as you are not tagging along a caddie, it is fine.

Hafeez is villain number 1 right now so people have an issue with anything he does. What next? Will people have problems with the color of his car?
 
Taking precautionary measures does not mean you have to lock yourself up in a room.
 
DRsohail said:
Manoon as usual you again want to sell your agenda. When it become a threat to genral public ( any disease which is transmissible ) then no harm in making result public and PCB did the right thing. Can you please tell us how much is the possibility of being false positives and false negative. As far as I know the possibility of being false negative is 35% while less than 5 % of being false positive. Hafeez definitely need a kick in the butt.
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The possibility of false negative varies from lab to lab. It is actually higher in Chughtai lab compared to Excel, RMI and LRH.

But the issue is that the possibility of PCB goofing up is far greater than 5%.

Unless things get crystal clear which is not the case at the moment, I don’t see any reason for trusting PCB.

Hafeez is no saint either but if I were him, I would not be happy to see that the entire country is aware that I have COVID.

Hafeez would be a threat to the general public if he walks in public unnecessarily and that too without masks and gloves. Telling the whole country that he is positive will not make him less of a threat to the public.

Hafeez could have told his family and friends in private. The rest of the country didn’t need to know.
 
MenInG said:
LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has expressed disappointment over all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez’s conduct of sharing his Covid-19 report in public which came negative in contrast to the result of the same test from another lab conducted a day earlier by the board.

PCB chief executive Wasim Khan had a talk with Hafeez over phone with regards to him sharing his Covid-19 report in public instead of making a direct contact with the board, Dawn learnt on Wednesday.

Wasim reminded Hafeez that he should have made a contact with the PCB under such circumstances instead of going public. Wasim told Hafeez that by doing so, the cricketer had put the whole testing process of Pakistan in disrepute.

It was also learnt that Hafeez’s attitude was apologetic throughout a long telephonic conversation. The concerned authorities of the PCB may take further action against Hafeez after considering all the aspect of the case. Hafeez had shared his negative Covid-19 report on his social media account, stating that he got retested on his own after learning that he had tested positive in the test conducted by the PCB.

It may be mentioned here that the PCB had made the arrangements with Shaukat Khanum Hospital for all the Covid-19 tests, while Hafeez went to another lab, which is also accredited with the government, having the authority to do Covid-19 testing.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1565005/pcb-disappointed-with-hafeez-over-retesting
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Unfortunately, he will apologise and get away with it because he's 'senior'.

He should absolutely be punished for this, at the very least - dropped from the England tour if it goes ahead. However I would be pleasantly surprised if this happens.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, but false positive results also happen. Besides, as I explained, this is not my domain so I cannot comment on where the lapse happened during the testing. Could be multiple factors. Anyway, it is PCB’s fault.
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Can you please share your experience and number of false positive covid 19 patients you have seen so far, as I'm yet to see one. It would be an easily publishable case report. You really meant that or you were just trying to make your point by using incorrect medical information ?
 
Mamoon said:
The possibility of false negative varies from lab to lab. It is actually higher in Chughtai lab compared to Excel, RMI and LRH.

But the issue is that the possibility of PCB goofing up is far greater than 5%.

Unless things get crystal clear which is not the case at the moment, I don’t see any reason for trusting PCB.

Hafeez is no saint either but if I were him, I would not be happy to see that the entire country is aware that I have COVID.

Hafeez would be a threat to the general public if he walks in public unnecessarily and that too without masks and gloves. Telling the whole country that he is positive will not make him less of a threat to the public.

Hafeez could have told his family and friends in private. The rest of the country didn’t need to know.
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I see nothing wrong in telling the public bthat hafeez has been left out beacuse he was COvid positive. Its like telling the reason of not picking a player when he is injured or not well.
 
The validity of the test has to do with sensitivity and specificity of the test done at a specific lab.

Chughtai lab testing negative DOES NOT MEAN that hafeez is not infected (double negative). If it was a second test that came out negative, it would help rule it out, but it wasnt. He had already tested positive, which means he does have the virus.

baffles me that he is behaving this way.
 
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Mamoon said:
Fully supporting Hafeez here. PCB cannot act unprofessionally and not respect the privacy of the players and then not expect it to backfire.
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LMAO.

I think you dont know what youre talking about.

The false positive rate is typically VERY low in testing. This is because the reagent will not react unless the antigen from virus is present. The converse is not true. You can have the disease despite testing negative. This happens when the reagent does not react with the antigen.

PCR testing is obviously superior and that detects nucelotides. So if PCB is doing PCR testing, hafeez has covid.

Secondly, PCB does not need to keep this private. Sportmen are public figures. ECB also needs to know who is infected and coming into their country.

At the end of the day this is just cricket. Its a sport. If anything associated with it will harm safety and health of other layers and public, it needs to be discarded.
 
Time he was dropped for good now His entitlement is sickening He clearly thinks hes above the rules and procedures of the pcb
 
khan_aa said:
LMAO.

I think you dont know what youre talking about.

The false positive rate is typically VERY low in testing. This is because the reagent will not react unless the antigen from virus is present. The converse is not true. You can have the disease despite testing negative. This happens when the reagent does not react with the antigen.

PCR testing is obviously superior and that detects nucelotides. So if PCB is doing PCR testing, hafeez has covid.

Secondly, PCB does not need to keep this private. Sportmen are public figures. ECB also needs to know who is infected and coming into their country.

At the end of the day this is just cricket. Its a sport. If anything associated with it will harm safety and health of other layers and public, it needs to be discarded.
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Dont get too technical with him, he has no idea what you talking about.
 
Zaz said:
Time he was dropped for good now His entitlement is sickening He clearly thinks hes above the rules and procedures of the pcb
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Agreed but is wasim Khan strong enough to make that decision
 
PCB should test Hafeez again (3rd test for Hafeez) and see if it still comes out positive.
 
Inzamam slams PCB medical staff for ignoring ''calls from players''

Lahore, June 26 (IANS) Former Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq slammed the Pakistan Cricket Board and its medical staff for their attitude towards looking after the players'' health. Nine of the 29-man squad that Pakistan have chosen for the tour of England in late July have tested positive for coronavirus alongwith one member of the support staff.

"The players who have tested positive would have thought that PCB is not supporting them at this difficult time," said Inzamam on his YouTube channel. "My sources have told me that the PCB''s medical staff did not attend calls of these players during the past couple of days, which is a really bad attitude."

"I would request the PCB to properly look after these players because if you don''t then incidents, like Hafeez getting himself tested privately, will happen," he added.

The 50-year-old also said that the board should let players self-isolate at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore instead of asking them to do so at their homes.

"PCB should have kept these players [who tested positive] at the NCA, because there is enough space there, rather than telling them to self-isolate at their homes. They are our players and we need to look after them so that they can fully recover," he said.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...staff-for-ignoring-calls-from-players/1878400
 
MenInG said:
Inzamam slams PCB medical staff for ignoring ''calls from players''

Lahore, June 26 (IANS) Former Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq slammed the Pakistan Cricket Board and its medical staff for their attitude towards looking after the players'' health. Nine of the 29-man squad that Pakistan have chosen for the tour of England in late July have tested positive for coronavirus alongwith one member of the support staff.

"The players who have tested positive would have thought that PCB is not supporting them at this difficult time," said Inzamam on his YouTube channel. "My sources have told me that the PCB''s medical staff did not attend calls of these players during the past couple of days, which is a really bad attitude."

"I would request the PCB to properly look after these players because if you don''t then incidents, like Hafeez getting himself tested privately, will happen," he added.

The 50-year-old also said that the board should let players self-isolate at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore instead of asking them to do so at their homes.

"PCB should have kept these players [who tested positive] at the NCA, because there is enough space there, rather than telling them to self-isolate at their homes. They are our players and we need to look after them so that they can fully recover," he said.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...staff-for-ignoring-calls-from-players/1878400
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Agree with the second part keeping them at NCA
 
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