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Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez

Good effort. But what Hafeez does against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka is about as relevant as what Yk against Sri Lanka in tests. Neither have relevance when we tour next
 
Bump

Hafeez have made a comeback in t20 squad after one decent performance of CT .he will be 39 when t20

worldcup in AUs will happen .i have no idea what is sarfraz or inzi thinking i hope he is ban if he chucked so

we can get rid of this liability .
 
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I know it’s only one match but I’m sick of this guy piling on the runs against Sri Lanka and when the runs are easy and then choking when the going gets tough.

He played an amazing innings in the final and I thought it could’ve been the perfect time for him to retire, but he really has to go now considering he can’t bowl and he’s a serial choker.
 
j_kazmi said:
I know it’s only one match but I’m sick of this guy piling on the runs against Sri Lanka and when the runs are easy and then choking when the going gets tough.

He played an amazing innings in the final and I thought it could’ve been the perfect time for him to retire, but he really has to go now considering he can’t bowl and he’s a serial choker.
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Just can't seem to perform when the pressure is on.
 
j_kazmi said:
I know it’s only one match but I’m sick of this guy piling on the runs against Sri Lanka and when the runs are easy and then choking when the going gets tough.

He played an amazing innings in the final and I thought it could’ve been the perfect time for him to retire, but he really has to go now considering he can’t bowl and he’s a serial choker.
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malik, hafeez, afridi owe their careers to Sri Lanka
 
Must have a very strong background. PCB as usual have to make every party happy so they can't drop him or Azhar
 
Shameless duck

Has an attitude like Kohli but bats like a tail ender.

His amazing batting average of 25 in Eng/Aus/SA/NZ, just imagine his stats in the next World Cup at the age of 39.
 
its absolutely ridiculous he is in the side when he cannot bowl.

he is NOT good enough as a batsman alone and its a mockery of Pakistan cricket that he is in the team right now.
 
It's a crime to play him in the top 6 and it's a bigger crime to play him as a specialist batsman.
 
Any Hafeez fan support his selection and want him to play the next World Cup in England, should be shown this earth shattering stats
 

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The OP raised this issue with Hafeez back in 2013. It is 2018 now and Hafeez's selection in the team is the norm as always.
 
Needs to be ditched ASAP. The only reason he's in the team is because of his experience. Inzi, Arthur, and Sarfraz need to show they have guts and drop him once and for all.
 
Pretty disgraceful including him in the team. I have decided not to watch or even follow the 2nd ODI if he s in the eleven. Makes no difference even if he makes a contribution. It's just the never-ending story of undeserving players being included because of connections and past performance (Junaid Zia, Shan Masood etc) and deserving players being cruelly ignored (Fawad Alam). I think it is time for Pakistani fans to say enough is enough. Support my boycott and check my thread "A Modest Proposal."
 
Pathetic to see that a failure of an ODI opener is now being used by selectors/captain/coach as expected back bone of middle order ODI batting :facepalm:
 
Without his bowling he does not deserve selection.move sarfaraz in his batting position.groom New young dynamic player who bats like buttler,Maxwell someone who can hit fast bowlers all around the ground not someone who just feast's spinners.
 
We are slowly inching towards that period where selectors will soon say we cannot drop Hafeez because its too close to the World Cup and we need experience.

To think, he would have played in 4 world cups at that point (07, 11, 15, 19)
 
Amir said:
We are slowly inching towards that period where selectors will soon say we cannot drop Hafeez because its too close to the World Cup and we need experience.

To think, he would have played in 4 world cups at that point (07, 11, 15, 19)
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That was always going to be the excuse with Hafeez/Malik.

After last WC we need there experience to rebuild and now its to late to drop them. Indeed this will be selectors excuses :facepalm:
 
He is banned from bowling and yet Pakistan selectors pick him as so called 'Experience' player... What the .... does he offer to team. His shot selection was so poor in the last ODI. I'm guessing Micky and Co will give him this ODI series to justify his place....
 
shah_1 said:
Any Hafeez fan support his selection and want him to play the next World Cup in England, should be shown this earth shattering stats
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Can you do this same filter for Shoaib Malik. Both Malik and Hafeez
are bits n pieces cricketers. I have always said Pak cannot afford to have
both in 1 line up. If I had to pick for an odi/T20 team I would pick Hafeez
because of his bowling but now he can't bowl.

I would be good if Pak give 2 new players a chance.
 
batfirst said:
Can you do this same filter for Shoaib Malik. Both Malik and Hafeez
are bits n pieces cricketers. I have always said Pak cannot afford to have
both in 1 line up. If I had to pick for an odi/T20 team I would pick Hafeez
because of his bowling but now he can't bowl.

I would be good if Pak give 2 new players a chance.
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Average 24.09 with a strike rate of 70, and he averages 13.63 in England

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/42657.html?class=2;filter=advanced;host=1;host=2;host=3;host=5;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting
 
One this you can say about him is that he's quite consistent at failing against these top teams. Credit given where its due. He should have been out the team as soon as Steyn made him his bunny:steyn:hafeez2
 
Looks like the untouchable Hafeez is in the eleven. Goodbye Pak cricket for the next little while.
 
the best way to give context to this typically useless innings from hafeez is to contrast it with the far more useful and aggressive back to the wall innings played by two guys who are supposedly in the tail
 
Pete Rose said:
the best way to give context to this typically useless innings from hafeez is to contrast it with the far more useful and aggressive back to the wall innings played by two guys who are supposedly in the tail
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Agree

He is trying to fool everyone like he has over the years.
 
Pete Rose said:
the best way to give context to this typically useless innings from hafeez is to contrast it with the far more useful and aggressive back to the wall innings played by two guys who are supposedly in the tail
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What are you talking bhai? Hafeez ALWAYS performs whenever he is pushed to the wall...;-)
 
I would love it if he would preform like this all the time but he simply does not.

This innings has booked his place in the team for another 20 matches and he’ll probably score another innings just like this when his career is on the brink.
 
j_kazmi said:
I would love it if he would preform like this all the time but he simply does not.

This innings has booked his place in the team for another 20 matches and he’ll probably score another innings just like this when his career is on the brink.
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Exaclty my thoughts.
 
Forget YK, Hafeez probably is the biggest troll when it comes to these things :)))

YK
Hafeez
Shafiq

The masters in playing career saving innings out of nowhere whatsoever !! :facepalm:
 
Not sure why Hafeez is always the target. He is probably the most eye catching batsman in the side. He has the perfect back foot game needed for NZ and is the best player of the cut and pull shot in the team.
 
I think Hafeez is a strange case and does play some sublime innings from time to time. His biggest problem is with consistency. In spite of playing close to 200 ODI's, his average is just 32. People might argue he is a bowler also but again Hafeez played most of his matches in recent time in the top order. An average of 32 in this era for a top order player is poor. He was in the team for his economical bowling and a bowler who could bowl with the new ball and keep things tight. With him not doing that anymore, Pakistan need to think whether his fits the bill for 2019 WC.
 
giri26 said:
I think Hafeez is a strange case and does play some sublime innings from time to time. His biggest problem is with consistency. In spite of playing close to 200 ODI's, his average is just 32. People might argue he is a bowler also but again Hafeez played most of his matches in recent time in the top order. An average of 32 in this era for a top order player is poor. He was in the team for his economical bowling and a bowler who could bowl with the new ball and keep things tight. With him not doing that anymore, Pakistan need to think whether his fits the bill for 2019 WC.
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Hafeez was averaging around 23 before his career revival in 2010. Since then he became a permanent member of the side and his average shot up from 23 to 32. For someone who is an all rounder that is not such a bad achievement. He is on his way to over take Saeed Anwar's no of 100's and to have the highest number of ODI centuries for Pakistan.
 
Siri, show me Pakistan’s biggest minnow basher.

‘Well actually he averages 37 in NZ’
 
Savak said:
Hafeez was averaging around 23 before his career revival in 2010. Since then he became a permanent member of the side and his average shot up from 23 to 32. For someone who is an all rounder that is not such a bad achievement. He is on his way to over take Saeed Anwar's no of 100's and to have the highest number of ODI centuries for Pakistan.
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You think Hafeez at the age of 37 will score 10 more ODI hundreds? If he does that then it will obviously be a phenomenal achievement.
 
Savak said:
Not sure why Hafeez is always the target. He is probably the most eye catching batsman in the side. He has the perfect back foot game needed for NZ and is the best player of the cut and pull shot in the team.
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I'm sorry but Fakhar is easily the best cutter in the team. He can easily play square cut, late cut, uppercut, etc. Have seen him cut it for six a la Jayasuriya.

Sarfraz is excellent with the cut.

And on pull shot Faheem has a very good one as well.
 
It's quite surprsising that many PPers are actally praising hafeez for his 60 odd runs in 2nd ODI. He needed to stay out there & take his team to a fighting total till the 45th over, instead he threw away his wkt in 31st over. He is a "Senior Player" & this was his job to show his seniority for the sake of team after another batting collapse. He should have scored a 120-140 to get Pakistan aout of that mess.
 
giri26 said:
I think Hafeez is a strange case and does play some sublime innings from time to time. His biggest problem is with consistency. In spite of playing close to 200 ODI's, his average is just 32. People might argue he is a bowler also but again Hafeez played most of his matches in recent time in the top order. An average of 32 in this era for a top order player is poor. He was in the team for his economical bowling and a bowler who could bowl with the new ball and keep things tight. With him not doing that anymore, Pakistan need to think whether his fits the bill for 2019 WC.
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Let’s just consider carefully what you wrote...
A Pakistani opener averaging 32! Mmmm now I know Australians or Indians would laugh at that but in itself that’s perfectly acceptable for Pakistan where anybody has struggled to average over 35 (javed inzi saeed Yousuf aside)

Secondly an opener with 32 average and economical off spin. Certainly in a country with no full time off spinner that’s a luxury.

Thirdly with 6000 runs and 200 ODIs plus experience around almost every ground in the world....

You would have to say he isn’t the biggest problem we have right now yet so much time and effort is spent negating his contributions.

I think if he comes lower down and stops pretending to be an opener then we have a solid no7. We just need to fix opening slot and get the attack back on song.
 
Abid Z said:
Let’s just consider carefully what you wrote...
A Pakistani opener averaging 32! Mmmm now I know Australians or Indians would laugh at that but in itself that’s perfectly acceptable for Pakistan where anybody has struggled to average over 35 (javed inzi saeed Yousuf aside)

Secondly an opener with 32 average and economical off spin. Certainly in a country with no full time off spinner that’s a luxury.

Thirdly with 6000 runs and 200 ODIs plus experience around almost every ground in the world....

You would have to say he isn’t the biggest problem we have right now yet so much time and effort is spent negating his contributions.

I think if he comes lower down and stops pretending to be an opener then we have a solid no7. We just need to fix opening slot and get the attack back on song.
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Why do we need a solid #7 who can't bowl? Faheem and Shadab are far better options.
 
I’m not sure about faheem

Shadab is great but undercooked and an economical offie is always an asset. I think too much emphasis is placed on our lineup. What we need is just more experience. Maybe in a year or so we can look beyond Malik and hafeez but really I don’t think our younger lot are very dependable at the moment. Faheem, ruman are just average.
 
Abid Z said:
I’m not sure about faheem

Shadab is great but undercooked and an economical offie is always an asset. I think too much emphasis is placed on our lineup. What we need is just more experience. Maybe in a year or so we can look beyond Malik and hafeez but really I don’t think our younger lot are very dependable at the moment. Faheem, ruman are just average.
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There's nothing dependable or reliable about the seniors. They have a 15 year career blighted by under-performance. If Fakhar Zaman Hafeez and Malik retired today, only Fakhar would be remembered for what he has achieved.
 
Abid Z said:
Let’s just consider carefully what you wrote...
A Pakistani opener averaging 32! Mmmm now I know Australians or Indians would laugh at that but in itself that’s perfectly acceptable for Pakistan where anybody has struggled to average over 35 (javed inzi saeed Yousuf aside)

Secondly an opener with 32 average and economical off spin. Certainly in a country with no full time off spinner that’s a luxury.

Thirdly with 6000 runs and 200 ODIs plus experience around almost every ground in the world....

You would have to say he isn’t the biggest problem we have right now yet so much time and effort is spent negating his contributions.

I think if he comes lower down and stops pretending to be an opener then we have a solid no7. We just need to fix opening slot and get the attack back on song.
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I don't think you understood my point. I meant to say that since he is unable to bowl, does he warrant a place in the side as the batsman alone. For a specialist batter an average of 32 is poor and during the world cup he will be 38 years old. That was my point. I agree that when he was a batsman who can bowl 10 overs economically he would fit the bill but now it is not the case.
 
giri26 said:
I don't think you understood my point. I meant to say that since he is unable to bowl, does he warrant a place in the side as the batsman alone. For a specialist batter an average of 32 is poor and during the world cup he will be 38 years old. That was my point. I agree that when he was a batsman who can bowl 10 overs economically he would fit the bill but now it is not the case.
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I understood your point but I didn’t explicate too much. Firstly he could be cleared tomorrow and allowed to bowl in which case we can address that point. Secondly a Pakistani with 32 average is fine. Nothing earth shattering but it’s perfectly acceptable.
 
Abid Z said:
I understood your point but I didn’t explicate too much. Firstly he could be cleared tomorrow and allowed to bowl in which case we can address that point. Secondly a Pakistani with 32 average is fine. Nothing earth shattering but it’s perfectly acceptable.
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Haris is better than Hafeez at 4, not hyping Haris or expect great things but he clearly will average more than 32 . Hafeez should be picked when he clears his action, as simple as that.
 
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Pete Rose said:
There's nothing dependable or reliable about the seniors. They have a 15 year career blighted by under-performance. If Fakhar Zaman Hafeez and Malik retired today, only Fakhar would be remembered for what he has achieved.
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For every fakhar there is a nasir jamshed and a sharjeel Khan. These youngsters need to prove their techniques, temperament and moral compass before they push out mediocre seniors. These mediocre seniors are not as disastrous as many posters think. Hafeez was no 1 all rounder not too long ago and Shohaib does add a little bit to the middle order. However these seaming, swinging conditions against a very good attack is bound to be a challenge. Let’s see how the remaining three matches go. I predict a 100 from one of these two.
 
Abid Z said:
For every fakhar there is a nasir jamshed and a sharjeel Khan. These youngsters need to prove their techniques, temperament and moral compass before they push out mediocre seniors. These mediocre seniors are not as disastrous as many posters think. Hafeez was no 1 all rounder not too long ago and Shohaib does add a little bit to the middle order. However these seaming, swinging conditions against a very good attack is bound to be a challenge. Let’s see how the remaining three matches go. I predict a 100 from one of these two.
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Malik averages less than 15 in New Zealand, you are expecting a 100 from him LOL
 
shah_1 said:
Malik averages less than 15 in New Zealand, you are expecting a 100 from him LOL
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Lol yes. Pakistan fans are allowed to be delusional. Unfortunately most of our guys suffer against the extra bounce in these green countries but we have to live in hope. It’s what fans do.

If we could just find a dependable opener and babar azam could be a little more reliable then yes the next target would be to usher in replacements for Malik and hafeez but right now I’m more disappointed with the bowling. These conditions are tailor made for amir.
 
no more easy runs against spin today as he was exposed against Boult. LOL
 
how can Malik and Hafeez be our middle order batsmen when they can't survive spell of a genuine pacer?
 
Abid Z said:
For every fakhar there is a nasir jamshed and a sharjeel Khan. These youngsters need to prove their techniques, temperament and moral compass before they push out mediocre seniors. These mediocre seniors are not as disastrous as many posters think. Hafeez was no 1 all rounder not too long ago and Shohaib does add a little bit to the middle order. However these seaming, swinging conditions against a very good attack is bound to be a challenge. Let’s see how the remaining three matches go. I predict a 100 from one of these two.
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Both jokers scoring great centuries today :))

Why people still support Malik and Hafeez?
 
This should be the end of the senior brigade of Malik, Hafeez and Azhar. Enough.
 
Hafeez had an average of 27 against Sri Lanka, so he isn't even scoring in UAE. He was rubbish, has regresses to another level. Too old to bat, should gracefully be kicked out of the team
 
shah_1 said:
Both jokers scoring great centuries today :))

Why people still support Malik and Hafeez?
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Yes my bad. The thread was about hafeez so I should not have mentioned Malik. Hafeez still has 2 games left to make a big score and price his detractors wrong.
 
Pete Rose said:
Because thy don’t know a thing about the game
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Yes because we’ve never seen a Pakistani collapse before. Whether it’s your new young talent or old world class players, put us on a pitch that does something and doesn’t matter who the bowler is we are gonna collapse.

Just look at Hamilton v nz 2001, vs aus 2003 in Sharjah vs Ireland in 2007. Again and again we collapse because our youngsters just aren’t brought up with the correct technique and temperament and can’t stick around long enough to make ugly runs. And our seniors lack bottle but we can not discard the whole team otherwise we would be like Bangladesh of 10-20 years ago.

All these fakhar Zaman’s harris sohails sharjeel Khan’s as pure batsmen are very weak in bouncy conditions So might as well have somebody who can contribute a little with the ball when cleared.

But I would maintain there’s only room for one of Shohaib or hafeez and I would pick hafeez.
 
Having followed cricket passionately and seriously for three decades, I stopped taking Pakistan cricket seriously the day such a mediocre batsman became more assured of a place in the Pakistan top order than even the likes of Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Saeed Anwar ever did.. sorry nothing personal against Hafeez but just couldn't come to terms with this reality.

And as for international cricket, well its a bit of a joke and not worth following for me having grown up watching all rounders like Imran, Botham, Kapil Dev, Hadlee, Wasim Akram, Kallis, Pollock, Razzak and now apparently Hafeez for his ability to bowl a few maiden overs to complement his mediocre batting is supposedly ranked world no. 1 all rounder in some format.

Enjoy your superstar is all I can say, and may he continue to entertain his fans for years to come. :)
 
Majid Khan said:
Having followed cricket passionately and seriously for three decades, I stopped taking Pakistan cricket seriously the day such a mediocre batsman became more assured of a place in the Pakistan top order than even the likes of Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Saeed Anwar ever did.. sorry nothing personal against Hafeez but just couldn't come to terms with this reality.

And as for international cricket, well its a bit of a joke and not worth following for me having grown up watching all rounders like Imran, Botham, Kapil Dev, Hadlee, Wasim Akram, Kallis, Pollock, Razzak and now apparently Hafeez for his ability to bowl a few maiden overs to complement his mediocre batting is supposedly ranked world no. 1 all rounder in some format.

Enjoy your superstar is all I can say, and may he continue to entertain his fans for years to come. :)
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Yes. We have settled for mediocrity and it's sad.
 
Majid Khan said:
Having followed cricket passionately and seriously for three decades, I stopped taking Pakistan cricket seriously the day such a mediocre batsman became more assured of a place in the Pakistan top order than even the likes of Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Saeed Anwar ever did.. sorry nothing personal against Hafeez but just couldn't come to terms with this reality.

And as for international cricket, well its a bit of a joke and not worth following for me having grown up watching all rounders like Imran, Botham, Kapil Dev, Hadlee, Wasim Akram, Kallis, Pollock, Razzak and now apparently Hafeez for his ability to bowl a few maiden overs to complement his mediocre batting is supposedly ranked world no. 1 all rounder in some format.

Enjoy your superstar is all I can say, and may he continue to entertain his fans for years to come. :)
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I think you are forgetting how many collapses we’ve had with world class players and how average some of our players if the past have been. Just think of ramiz, manzoor elahi etc etc mediocrity is not new and will always be there until the pcb invest serious dollars overhauling the domestic structures and pitches
 
Abid Z said:
I think you are forgetting how many collapses we’ve had with world class players and how average some of our players if the past have been. Just think of ramiz, manzoor elahi etc etc mediocrity is not new and will always be there until the pcb invest serious dollars overhauling the domestic structures and pitches
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True mediocricity is nothing new, but you always had belief that sooner or later these mediocre players would get exposed and dropped after their woeful performances - and they did, be they Manzoor Elahi or Naveed Latif (remember him?) but this rule has never applied to Hafeez, this club standard batsman has continued to be selected for well over a decade and still counting, as a so-called senior player..

Does anyone honestly think Hafeez could score prolific 100s for one season even playing for a club team in Zimbabwe or Bangladesh ? Never mind first class level - just don't think so. But who cares, he has played test cricket for over a decade as top order batsman, what irony :)
 
Majid Khan said:
True mediocricity is nothing new, but you always had belief that sooner or later these mediocre players would get exposed and dropped after their woeful performances - and they did, be they Manzoor Elahi or Naveed Latif (remember him?) but this rule has never applied to Hafeez, this club standard batsman has continued to be selected for well over a decade and still counting, as a so-called senior player..

Does anyone honestly think Hafeez could score prolific 100s for one season even playing for a club team in Zimbabwe or Bangladesh ? Never mind first class level - just don't think so. But who cares, he has played test cricket for over a decade as top order batsman, what irony :)
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Because he’s an offie. I would love to see him dropped but the really sad thing is there is no off spinner in Pakistan. The only time in my life I have seen pcb selctors being ruthless was around 2000/2001 when Shohaib Malik with his doosra appeared and saqi was immediately dropped. Saqi was dropped in England series in 2000 in lords match and Only because of Shohaib’s collision with Afridi did saqi get in for old Trafford.

Likewise even in early 90’s mushy was picked instead of qadir who had a few years left in him.

All our batsmen, hafeez Shohaib in particular are awful but we are desperate for a spin all rounder. Until our strategy changes I.e having 4 out and out wicket taking bowlers like Wasim Waqar, razaq Shohaib...we will always go for the bits and pieces strategy. That’s why unfortunately we are stuck with hafeez. Better get on with finding decent bowlers.
 
Abid Z said:
Because he’s an offie. I would love to see him dropped but the really sad thing is there is no off spinner in Pakistan. The only time in my life I have seen pcb selctors being ruthless was around 2000/2001 when Shohaib Malik with his doosra appeared and saqi was immediately dropped. Saqi was dropped in England series in 2000 in lords match and Only because of Shohaib’s collision with Afridi did saqi get in for old Trafford.

Likewise even in early 90’s mushy was picked instead of qadir who had a few years left in him.

All our batsmen, hafeez Shohaib in particular are awful but we are desperate for a spin all rounder. Until our strategy changes I.e having 4 out and out wicket taking bowlers like Wasim Waqar, razaq Shohaib...we will always go for the bits and pieces strategy. That’s why unfortunately we are stuck with hafeez. Better get on with finding decent bowlers.
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What's the point of including a player for his bowling when he's banned from BOWLING.

Enough of his mediocre player, there's Agha Salman and Iftikhar Ahmed, both are off spinners.
 
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