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17 year old debutant Irfan gives WAPDA the title

Today in the final of president one day cup silver 17 year old debutant mohammad irfan, a right arm fast bowler from sialcoat took 4 wickets to give wapda the title.
 
Instead of asking what his pace, action was, or if he cans swing... Question should be what ball was used?
 
Im tired of saying it again and again due to revamped structure kookabura is used for one day and t-20 and grace for fc.
 
Blue_eyes said:
Im tired of saying it again and again due to revamped structure kookabura is used for one day and t-20 and grace for fc.
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Yes I know it was for sarcasm. First of all, well done to the youngster. But I won't be carried away unless he can swing with the Kookabura.
 
Blue_eyes said:
Im tired of saying it again and again due to revamped structure kookabura is used for one day and t-20 and grace for fc.
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How did this guy look?

Pace, swing, control

4-12 off 10 overs are wonderful figures for 17 yr old
 
congratulations for getting selected in emerging camp after bowling 4-12 in 10 overs with kookabura in final, i hope he is like aamer if he is then we dont need aamir.
 
has anyone video link of bowling of this 17 year old youngester of final of silver one day cup
 
[MENTION=139012]b.lesner[/MENTION] [MENTION=137886]Blue_eyes[/MENTION] [MENTION=131789]GreenKnightRises[/MENTION]
Who is the fastest baller at U-19 levels in Pakistan ?
Mohammad Umer Lahore boy ?
Mohammad Irfan ?
Or anybody else ?
Op's at pp please enlighten
 
mohammad irfan but i dont think he has ever been selected for pakistan U-19
 
[MENTION=139012]b.lesner[/MENTION] are his stats impressive in regional U-19 and patrons trophy grade 2 ? Especially strike rate ?
In my view the most imp thing in a fast bowler stats are his strike rate
 
he was straight away picked by WAPDA in final of presidents silver cup and he got 4-12 in 10 overs.
 
took 4-12 in 10 overs in in final of presents trophy and he is just 17 [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
 
if he is the same pacer that played in ramadan t20 tournoment, then he is at 3/4 years older and is like 125kph bowler.
 
Pakistan lacks diversity of names, too many names get recycled too many times.
 
[MENTION=139012]b.lesner[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] any updates?

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yes he is in wapda but you cant drop mohammad ali , waqas maqsood and azhar attari who have don so well for last 5 years
 
b.lesner said:
yes he is in wapda but you cant drop mohammad ali , waqas maqsood and azhar attari who have don so well for last 5 years
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Mohammad Ali cannot be dropped but Waqas Maqsood or Azhar Attari cab be dropped especially Azhar.
 
azhar attari swings the ball a lot , i watched him from U-19 wc 2008 , he was top wicket tajer in last A a year before last year , waqas maqsood had 50+ wickets in last year fc so no place for irfan maybe if someone gets injured only then.
 
b.lesner said:
azhar attari swings the ball a lot , i watched him from U-19 wc 2008 , he was top wicket tajer in last A a year before last year , waqas maqsood had 50+ wickets in last year fc so no place for irfan maybe if someone gets injured only then.
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If you see Azhar's overall record he has got a high average and he has not taken any 10fer uptil now . Not a great record compared to his contemporaries. I think he will b dropped next game for Mohammad Irfan.

Irfan has the soul of Waqar younis ? As a bowler ? Law's bowled ?

Check his inter district , inter region wicket dismissals patterns.
 
i agree with mohammad irfan , check this thread was also made by my brother and me , i was the first to notice him , check date also
 
yes parvez rasool played ranji trophy with my cousion who is wicketkeeper
 
Azhar attari dropped as I predicted in favour of irfan.

Irfan in his comeback game takes 3 wickets bowling first change.
 
but mohammad ali wapda premiere bowler is also droped for naveed ul hassan
 
10 months ago he was 17 years old. 10 months later he is 20 years and 229 days old.

Those of you who watched him ball in his debut list A game in the final of one day tournament where he took 4-12 and won it for Wapda should kindly share his height , physique , bowling style , action , pace . Is he a swing bowler or a seam bowler ?

In interdistrict and inter region his majority wickets have been Lbw or Bowled.
 
Adil Bhai said:
[MENTION=139012]b.lesner[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] any updates?

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In the 4th innings of a four day game he as junior comes in to bowl at 2nd change number 4.

Bowls 10 overs , 5 maidens , 3-16. Opposition all out for 84.
 
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Any Coach in Pakistan Cricket who has improve his Jump, Non Bowling Arm use and eradicate his pause before delivering the ball ? He will than become 150kph nasty Windies 80's 90's like pacer.


Had he been in Quetta Gladiators squad than IAN PONT would have been a great help for him.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]


Had a look at him and [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] was right indeed.
 
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Any Coach in Pakistan Cricket who has improve his Jump, Non Bowling Arm use and eradicate his pause before delivering the ball ? He will than become 150kph nasty Windies 80's 90's like pacer.


Had he been in Quetta Gladiators squad than IAN PONT would have been a great help for him.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]


Had a look at him and [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] was right indeed.
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His bowling style, body structure & bowling action is very much West Indian like, therefore can be a very good prospect indeed. 150KM might be a bit over expectation, but that's not required either - someone 6'3/4" with a high arm action, bowling at the business areas at 140KM is more than enough.

As usual, my only concern with emerging PAK pacers is their age - he is listed around 19 now, if he is genuine U21; there is lots of potential to work with; may be even at U23; but after that it's too late to be honest. It (bunking 3-5 years of age) doesn't impact batsmen that much, because a batsman's bets years can be between 23 to 38, may be even more; therefore with experience, he can make up 3/4 years of over aging in the wrong side. Same can be said for spinners - at 38, Zulfi was one of the best spinners in PAK (at 38 - that 4/5 years ago); but for pacers, it's near impossible to start learning fundamentals of fast bowling at 25 - by the time he is ready to learn the art of getting batmen out, he might be 29.

First thing I look in an unknown PAK players' (pacers) profile is his his age - if it's over 23, I even don't bother to look for stats - most likely, he is 4-5 years in to his best age already, training or coaching won't improve him much. May be sounds a bit harsh, but I hardly missed with my initial filter.
 
It's like if Ashwin was 6'3" and bowled fast LOL
 
MMHS said:
His bowling style, body structure & bowling action is very much West Indian like, therefore can be a very good prospect indeed. 150KM might be a bit over expectation, but that's not required either - someone 6'3/4" with a high arm action, bowling at the business areas at 140KM is more than enough.

As usual, my only concern with emerging PAK pacers is their age - he is listed around 19 now, if he is genuine U21; there is lots of potential to work with; may be even at U23; but after that it's too late to be honest. It (bunking 3-5 years of age) doesn't impact batsmen that much, because a batsman's bets years can be between 23 to 38, may be even more; therefore with experience, he can make up 3/4 years of over aging in the wrong side. Same can be said for spinners - at 38, Zulfi was one of the best spinners in PAK (at 38 - that 4/5 years ago); but for pacers, it's near impossible to start learning fundamentals of fast bowling at 25 - by the time he is ready to learn the art of getting batmen out, he might be 29.

First thing I look in an unknown PAK players' (pacers) profile is his his age - if it's over 23, I even don't bother to look for stats - most likely, he is 4-5 years in to his best age already, training or coaching won't improve him much. May be sounds a bit harsh, but I hardly missed with my initial filter.
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17 was his reported age 2 years ago but it wasn't correct and thankfully it was corrected. He is not 19 officially, He is 21 years and 198 days old which means he was 19 couple of years ago.

With 150 I did not mean that i expect him to be a Express pacer rather I meant someone like Kallis of his peak who would operate between 138 to 146 kph and would crank it upto 150 kph on his effort deliveries whenever he wanted to.


Currently Irfan is bowling between 133 to 143 kph range so definitely he can improve if he works on things I have mentioned especially use of non bowling arm and removing the pause due to which he loses alot of momemtum through the crease.


Irfan isn't 6'3 infact he is 6'5 6'6 and if he and Irfanullah Shah play for Pakistan than they would be 2nd & 3rd tallest Players to represent Pakistan after Mohammad Irfan senior.


Yes you are right. Zulfiqar Babar might have surpassed Iqbal Qasim in wicket tally plus Ave & SR if he made his debut in 2007-2008. His best years were 2009-2014 where he did not play for Pakistan. Had he got a game in 2010 England Tour where he was in the squad than it might have ended Rehman's Career but after that Rehman bowled very well and it was difficult for Zulfiqar to break into Pakistan team.


Wrt age Abass will be 27 Officially in March and he played his first ever competitive match in June 2007 for Sialkot Under 19. So what do you think about his Age & Prospects ? He bowls at 130 to 138 kph.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
17 was his reported age 2 years ago but it wasn't correct and thankfully it was corrected. He is not 19 officially, He is 21 years and 198 days old which means he was 19 couple of years ago.

With 150 I did not mean that i expect him to be a Express pacer rather I meant someone like Kallis of his peak who would operate between 138 to 146 kph and would crank it upto 150 kph on his effort deliveries whenever he wanted to.


Currently Irfan is bowling between 133 to 143 kph range so definitely he can improve if he works on things I have mentioned especially use of non bowling arm and removing the pause due to which he loses alot of momemtum through the crease.


Irfan isn't 6'3 infact he is 6'5 6'6 and if he and Irfanullah Shah play for Pakistan than they would be 2nd & 3rd tallest Players to represent Pakistan after Mohammad Irfan senior.


Yes you are right. Zulfiqar Babar might have surpassed Iqbal Qasim in wicket tally plus Ave & SR if he made his debut in 2007-2008. His best years were 2009-2014 where he did not play for Pakistan. Had he got a game in 2010 England Tour where he was in the squad than it might have ended Rehman's Career but after that Rehman bowled very well and it was difficult for Zulfiqar to break into Pakistan team.


Wrt age Abass will be 27 Officially in March and he played his first ever competitive match in June 2007 for Sialkot Under 19. So what do you think about his Age & Prospects ? He bowls at 130 to 138 kph.
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Abbas played U19 in 2007 - so my hunch is, he is around 30-31 now; his best days are over. By his age fast bowlers actually settles for 130s speed, with occasional effort ball of 140+; but those few in top class actually adds lots of skill, guile, experience & condition (like wind, width of the wicket, any particular crack ..) with their bowling, hence most of them are actually most lethal at around genuine 29 & 2/3 years either side, when they might not be fastest. Imran had his best years between 1980 to 1983 (87 with injury), Lillee between 1977 to 1981, Marshall in between 1984 to 1988; McGrath between 1998 to 2003; Hadlee between 1979 to 1986, Styen between 2008 to 2014; Wasim between 1989 to 1996, Srinath between 1995 to 1999 ... In that regard, I don't think it's wise to invest any A tour for Abbas - unfortunate for the man, who (& Pasha) could have been a very good prospect in 2010, when Asif got banned, but PCB Selectors went for youngster beauties of 35 (Cheema, that guy taking 6 for on debut against SAF, Rauf .....).

Regarding those 2 young-men (Irfan & Irfan), if they are around 2 metres, immediately should be called for PAK camp - 10km less speed can be covered for extra 10cm height; what they need is to learn the McGrath length & Asif's skills - 134KM is damn good to trouble any batsman.
 
MMHS said:
His bowling style, body structure & bowling action is very much West Indian like, therefore can be a very good prospect indeed. 150KM might be a bit over expectation, but that's not required either - someone 6'3/4" with a high arm action, bowling at the business areas at 140KM is more than enough.

As usual, my only concern with emerging PAK pacers is their age - he is listed around 19 now, if he is genuine U21; there is lots of potential to work with; may be even at U23; but after that it's too late to be honest. It (bunking 3-5 years of age) doesn't impact batsmen that much, because a batsman's bets years can be between 23 to 38, may be even more; therefore with experience, he can make up 3/4 years of over aging in the wrong side. Same can be said for spinners - at 38, Zulfi was one of the best spinners in PAK (at 38 - that 4/5 years ago); but for pacers, it's near impossible to start learning fundamentals of fast bowling at 25 - by the time he is ready to learn the art of getting batmen out, he might be 29.

First thing I look in an unknown PAK players' (pacers) profile is his his age - if it's over 23, I even don't bother to look for stats - most likely, he is 4-5 years in to his best age already, training or coaching won't improve him much. May be sounds a bit harsh, but I hardly missed with my initial filter.
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His current age is 21 now, officially, playing for National Bank, not Wapda. He is not their first line bowler, has played 4 out of 8 matches this season. Other than his height , nothing in his bowling, particularly runup is impressive, so far.
 
moghul said:
His current age is 21 now, officially, playing for National Bank, not Wapda. He is not their first line bowler, has played 4 out of 8 matches this season. Other than his height , nothing in his bowling, particularly runup is impressive, so far.
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He went with Lahore Qalandars to Australia hence he missed out on feasting on Pacers friendly Soggy pitches.
 
moghul said:
His current age is 21 now, officially, playing for National Bank, not Wapda. He is not their first line bowler, has played 4 out of 8 matches this season. Other than his height , nothing in his bowling, particularly runup is impressive, so far.
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I also didn't find his name in WAPDA team sheet (& there are so many Irfans that I didn't try to find which one).

I think, height is something you are are blessed with. A player of 170cm hardly can be a fast bowler with every bit of skills, unless he can reach 155KM (that too is near impossible for bio-mechanics - a player with that height won't have enough momentum to push the ball that hard in air unless he is like a barrel, but that structure won't allow him to run fast, which is the key of speed), but a bowler of 195cm height can bee good to great if he has decent pace & knowledge/control of seem position.

In South Asia, we never give importance to physical structure - kids with natural skills start to play at their best position & by the time they reach 18/19, it's too late for them to change their core area. Our best Football GK was Mohsin - after faking 2/3 inch, he was listed 5'9" - brilliant, brilliant shot stopper with top class reflex; but he was sent back at his prime from Pro League in ENG (Then Division 2) even without trial. That guy was equally good with ball skills at U16 level, but instead of being reserve winger for his club team, he decided to be 1st choice GK at 15 & nobody gave him good advice. In sports developed countries, a kid of 13 will never be allowed to invest time in a core skill (or sports), for which, his physique doesn't suit.

Irfan might not be most skilled, but he has some natural gift, upon which he can build his career, if he is genuine 21 - there is only 1 McGrath, ever will remain 1; but a 21 years old, 6'5" young man can be as god a Sabbir Ahmed, if he is willing to be. PAK cricket has no structure, neither scouting, hence the tallest Irfan started career at 28 (you can safely add another 2/3 with that). Imagine, same Irfan starting FC career in 1999 & been groomed for the next 3-5 years by professionals on how to manage work load, fitness & how to use his height to his advantage - he learnt only the last one at official 31 !!!!!!!!
 
I think there are more recent videos of his bowling from the LQ Development tournament. Action looked a bit more refined than above but still needs improvement. Chief posted the video somewhere.
 
MMHS said:
I also didn't find his name in WAPDA team sheet (& there are so many Irfans that I didn't try to find which one).

I think, height is something you are are blessed with. A player of 170cm hardly can be a fast bowler with every bit of skills, unless he can reach 155KM (that too is near impossible for bio-mechanics - a player with that height won't have enough momentum to push the ball that hard in air unless he is like a barrel, but that structure won't allow him to run fast, which is the key of speed), but a bowler of 195cm height can bee good to great if he has decent pace & knowledge/control of seem position.

In South Asia, we never give importance to physical structure - kids with natural skills start to play at their best position & by the time they reach 18/19, it's too late for them to change their core area. Our best Football GK was Mohsin - after faking 2/3 inch, he was listed 5'9" - brilliant, brilliant shot stopper with top class reflex; but he was sent back at his prime from Pro League in ENG (Then Division 2) even without trial. That guy was equally good with ball skills at U16 level, but instead of being reserve winger for his club team, he decided to be 1st choice GK at 15 & nobody gave him good advice. In sports developed countries, a kid of 13 will never be allowed to invest time in a core skill (or sports), for which, his physique doesn't suit.

Irfan might not be most skilled, but he has some natural gift, upon which he can build his career, if he is genuine 21 - there is only 1 McGrath, ever will remain 1; but a 21 years old, 6'5" young man can be as god a Sabbir Ahmed, if he is willing to be. PAK cricket has no structure, neither scouting, hence the tallest Irfan started career at 28 (you can safely add another 2/3 with that). Imagine, same Irfan starting FC career in 1999 & been groomed for the next 3-5 years by professionals on how to manage work load, fitness & how to use his height to his advantage - he learnt only the last one at official 31 !!!!!!!!
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We have another 21 YO Irfan , a fast bowler, but to make it less confusing he is not Mohammad Irfan. He is Irfanullah Shah. Has played for Pakistan under 19 and now playing for FATA. Has taken 32 wickets in 6 QA trophy games this year. Don;t know how good is he , but I know he is TALL.
 
His arm speed is quiet slow I will be surprised even if he touches 140k , more likely 130-135k bowler and his action and runup is not the best either , lots of work required.
 
muhammad saad said:
His arm speed is quiet slow I will be surprised even if he touches 140k , more likely 130-135k bowler and his action and runup is not the best either , lots of work required.
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I've watched him live and I can assure you he is a 135 KPH+ bowler. When Nick Cummins was asked which player was the most impressive from the LQ squad he said Irfan along with Rabbani.
 
Irfan needs to improve his fitness plus needs to eliminate his stagger just before delivering the ball. He stops and loses atleast 8kph because he loses momemtum. Also needs to use his non bowling arm better. If he can do that than He will become a scary 70's, 80's like tall West Indian fast bowlers. But I am sorry we don't have any Professional Coach to do these things professionally and scientifically. Give Irfan to high performance centre of Australia for 4-5 months and than see a threatening Fast bowler a strike bowler come out.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION]


If PCB ask CA will they agree to enroll him in their High Performance centre say for 4 months ? Charging PCB around 25,000-50,000 AUD


CA rules of business allows this ?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Irfan needs to improve his fitness plus needs to eliminate his stagger just before delivering the ball. He stops and loses atleast 8kph because he loses momemtum. Also needs to use his non bowling arm better. If he can do that than He will become a scary 70's, 80's like tall West Indian fast bowlers. But I am sorry we don't have any Professional Coach to do these things professionally and scientifically. Give Irfan to high performance centre of Australia for 4-5 months and than see a threatening Fast bowler a strike bowler come out.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION]


If PCB ask CA will they agree to enroll him in their High Performance centre say for 4 months ? Charging PCB around 25,000-50,000 AUD


CA rules of business allows this ?
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No idea but I would hope we don't let opposition players use our resources like that
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Irfan needs to improve his fitness plus needs to eliminate his stagger just before delivering the ball. He stops and loses atleast 8kph because he loses momemtum. Also needs to use his non bowling arm better. If he can do that than He will become a scary 70's, 80's like tall West Indian fast bowlers. But I am sorry we don't have any Professional Coach to do these things professionally and scientifically. Give Irfan to high performance centre of Australia for 4-5 months and than see a threatening Fast bowler a strike bowler come out.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION]


If PCB ask CA will they agree to enroll him in their High Performance centre say for 4 months ? Charging PCB around 25,000-50,000 AUD


CA rules of business allows this ?
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You really think the PCB will do that?

Anyhow, did you watch him live today?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Irfan needs to improve his fitness plus needs to eliminate his stagger just before delivering the ball. He stops and loses atleast 8kph because he loses momemtum. Also needs to use his non bowling arm better. If he can do that than He will become a scary 70's, 80's like tall West Indian fast bowlers. But I am sorry we don't have any Professional Coach to do these things professionally and scientifically. Give Irfan to high performance centre of Australia for 4-5 months and than see a threatening Fast bowler a strike bowler come out.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION]


If PCB ask CA will they agree to enroll him in their High Performance centre say for 4 months ? Charging PCB around 25,000-50,000 AUD


CA rules of business allows this ?
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South Africa will be much cheaper and VISA will be easier
 
[MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] Should he be included in the odi series vs the west indies ? Just Like Stanlake was included in the australian squad.....
 
mz123 said:
[MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] Should he be included in the odi series vs the west indies ? Just Like Stanlake was included in the australian squad.....
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Yes, I'd include him in all squads.
 
Looks like a right handed sohail tanveer. But the video wasn't clear.
 
Only saw his first over
Doesn't seem to b for international matches. Speed into late 120s to early 130s
Will be labeled "captain's friend" here on PP after 10-12 matches if he ever got chance
 
he is a giant trundler. Bowling at high 120s and low 130s not good enough for intl cricket
 
I don't care about his bowling, Cricket is easy part, first and far most, he should be fit enough to play...Irfan looks a lot like those really tall basketball players we use to see at Army Stadium(in Pindi), playing basket ball. I believe we can get 4/5 such guys very easily, teaching them bowling is not rocket science, that's easy part...

Pakistan cannot screw up another tall bowler, they need to hire a special trainer, a guy who is expert at training tall sportsmen, in US there are many because of NBA...You hire one specialist trainer and give him 5 tall guys, his job is to make them Athlete, its not that difficult, but this is absolutely must for Pakistan to get back on the map...Its not like those tall guys have millions of Career options...

If Pakistan had able to field Irfan(the older one) on the ground, in last 4/5 years, means he was fit enough to play, we would not be #8 team, more like #4/5...This guy is the only ray of hope so far in the PSL, we just cannot give this guy to desi coaches like Modassar, Aqib, bowling coaching is secondary, 70/80% of his effort and training should be able Athletism(making him Athlete first), bowling is very easy task for such a tall guy, same as in NBA, focus is on fitness and athletism, basketball is easy afterwards...
 
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