Mohammad Nawaz being under-bowled?

[Moiza]

When he's going to bowl

17 overs out of 124 bowled in the first innings
13 overs of of the 92 bowled in the second innings

All the while being the most economical bowlers in the both innings.

According to most posters here he has been toothless but Yasir has bowled thrice as many overs with worse result as compared to nawaz. How is the poor guy supposed to pick wickets when he doesnt get any overs to bowl? Shows a complete lack of trust in him by misbah.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree. He has been severely under-bowled.

 

[Moiza]

Bowling a spinner for 17 and 13 overs in Dubai is a crime, especially when he's the most economical of the lot!

 

[srh]

Misbah is probably cursing himself right now for not selecting Zulfi baba

 

[shah_1]

Nawaz has bowled well but Misbah doesn't trust him

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Why can't he bowl now?

This is bad captaincy.

Misbah should have planned better and bowled him more to get an idea.

 

[naseem]

He bowled well .... should have used mote

 

[Moiza]

He can be the most toothless bowler ever but on this pitch any spinner is hands down better than a seamer.

 

[Abdullah]

Agree with op

 

[Watsupdoc]

I guess Misbah is a better captain with 4 bowlers rather than 5.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Might as well play Zulfi if you have no confidence in Nawaz

 

[Moiza]

Given the ball and he performs. Hopefully he wont be kicked out to accommodate the 38 year old, 40 averaging Zulfi chacha.

 

[Big Mac]

Given the ball and he performs. Hopefully he wont be kicked out to accommodate the 38 year old, 40 averaging Zulfi chacha.

He was just keeping his strike bowler fresh

 

[moghul]

He never looked like taking a wickets, and in a tense test match such bowlers are underbowled. Nawaz was more worried about landing of his foot rather than taking wickets. To me he is ODI bowler, not a wicket taking test spinner.

 

[Abdullah719]

He never looked like taking a wickets, and in a tense test match such bowlers are underbowled. Nawaz was more worried about landing of his foot rather than taking wickets. To me he is ODI bowler, not a wicket taking test spinner.

Except for the part where, you know, he took 4 wickets in the game... in 33 overs.

Yasir has taken 7.... in 82 overs.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Nawaz was excellent. Should have been used more even if it was to keep the Windies quiet.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Nawaz looked more threatening than Yasir.

 

[Buffet]

I felt that he was not used properly. Pitch had enough for spinners and he should have bowled more. Pacers were not troubling batsmen much anyway.

 

[Suleiman]

Misbah loves his old men.

There is a movie called No Country for Old Men.

If Misbah was the writer it would be No country for Young Boys.

 

[cricketInsight]

Yasir has been the trusted go to guy for Misbah since Ajmal left the scene. Yes, Nawaz was under bowled but Nawaz will have to earn Misbah's trust.

Yasir will still get the preference to use up one end and Nawaz and others will have to share the other end for most of the match (apart from new ball or when giving yasir a break).

 

[IAJ]

I saw Nawaz for a few overs and he was getting some serious spin, should definatley be persisted with. And also needs to focus more on his batting.

 

[desirous of desire]

He doesn't know how to set up a batsman. Zulfiqar Babar is still miles better than him despite his average.

 

[Abdullah719]

He doesn't know how to set up a batsman. Zulfiqar Babar is still miles better than him despite his average.

Yeah, who cares about things like average and wicket-taking ability....

Specialist spinner playing exclusively in Asia averaging less than 4 wickets a game.

 

[IAJ]

He doesn't know how to set up a batsman. Zulfiqar Babar is still miles better than him despite his average.

What you obviously fail to understand is that he is a young bowler and the more he plays at this level the better he will become. How else will the youngsters improve if you keep playing 38 years old bowlers?

 

[Moiza]

Yeah, who cares about things like average and wicket-taking ability....

Specialist spinner playing exclusively in Asia averaging less than 4 wickets a game.

4 wickets per match. 2 wickets per innings. Azhar can do this if he bowls as much as zulfi

 

[Someguy]

I dont see any talent in Nawaz. They type of alrounder who cant bowl or bat. He is harmless as a bowler and seems pedestrian as a batsman. He doent seem likely to make it in the world level playi g vs aus ans sa. Yes he was i.pressive in pcl, but this is a diff level altogather, and hos talent seems fairly limited, and he also seems to break under pressure. All recipes of failure at world level.

 

[Abdullah719]

Going by some of the comments you'd think that Nawaz lost us the Test match...

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Not fair to compare Nawaz with Zulfi. People forget that Nawaz has always been a batting allrounder since his u-19 days for Pakistan.

Compare Zafar Gohar, M. Asghar with Zulfi.

 

[last_knight]

1 question !! Just WHYY Azam didn't bowl to Bravo ?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Misbah loves his old men.

There is a movie called No Country for Old Men.

If Misbah was the writer it would be No country for Young Boys.

) Welcome back.

 

[desirous of desire]

What you obviously fail to understand is that he is a young bowler and the more he plays at this level the better he will become. How else will the youngsters improve if you keep playing 38 years old bowlers?

A specialist bowler already knows how to set up a batsman otherwise he doesn't get much recognition at the domestic level. Why not give Asghar a chance then? He should definitely be better than Nawaz and will learn quickly otherwise he can never warrant a place in the team.

Yes! Nawaz has a plus point in batting but I dont think we need another batsman in Asia. And what has age to do with test cricket ? It is not like ODIs where you are preparing for a world cup to groom a player.Should we not play best men available? I have no affinity for Zulfiqar but he does have a knack of picking up crucial wickets despite his averaging less than 4 wickets a game.

 

[aloo paratha]

Same happened with IK last year vs England. I don't know why Misbah suddenly starts under bowling some bowlers.

Nawaz picked up a fine amount of wickets especially when he bowled such les overs, and the biggest plus point is that he bowled very economically. On;y concern I have with him is that I don't think he's a good enough bat for #6, #8 is better in my opinion.

 

[aloo paratha]

1 question !! Just WHYY Azam didn't bowl to Bravo ?

Babar hasn't bowled a single over in international cricket in any format, why would he bowl in such a important match???

 

[aloo paratha]

Yeah, who cares about things like average and wicket-taking ability....

Specialist spinner playing exclusively in Asia averaging less than 4 wickets a game.

Game doesn't matter, 30 overs for 4 wickets, Yasir bowled more overs in each innings than Nawaz in the whole game.

 

[srh]

Except for the part where, you know, he took 4 wickets in the game... in 33 overs.

Yasir has taken 7.... in 82 overs.

Cricket is more than just stats meray bhai. If you think Nawaz is a genuine spinner then I am disappointed in you. Nawaz cannot make this team as a spinner alone.

 

[Abdullah719]

Cricket is more than just stats meray bhai. If you think Nawaz is a genuine spinner then I am disappointed in you. Nawaz cannot make this team as a spinner alone.

He isn't a genuine spinner. And he isn't playing as one. He's playing as a fifth bowler/all-rounder.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

In my opinion, the 2nd best spinner in Pakistan should be in the team along with Yasir. If it is Nawaz, so be it. Or Zulfiqar. Or Zafar. Or Asghar.

Nothing at all wrong with how Nawaz bowled in this match by the way - especially as he didn't much see the ball.

But when pitches are less helpful, you need the best spinners to make the decisive difference. Is Nawaz that guy? Or capable of developing into one?

 

[161]

Just his first match.

I'm sure both his confidence and the teams confidence in him will be boosted by his performance.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Misbah needs to give him more overs. But i did think about it, how overs does Nawaz bowl in domestic cricket? I suspect he is more of an ODI and T-20 player and he is not used to bowling so many overs in a day. Maybe that might be a factor perhaps?

 

[last_knight]

Babar hasn't bowled a single over in international cricket in any format, why would he bowl in such a important match???

He does bowl off spins.
Should have bowled to Bravo in 1st innings.

 

[Moiza]

Cricket is more than just stats meray bhai. If you think Nawaz is a genuine spinner then I am disappointed in you. Nawaz cannot make this team as a spinner alone.

Please elaborate who did you make this assessment?

Do consider the overs he bowled and the fact that out of the total 15 sessions 10 were played with a wet ball.

 

[ShotYaar]

If the management wants to replace Nawaz with Zulfiqar, then it is short term thinking. These types of series should be used to bring in younger players and give them the much needed experience. Instead of throwing them in the deep end in some crucial series when the premier players fail and hoping for the best. If the captain wants a specialist spinner then instead of Zulfiqar Babar who is 37yrs old "Budda" on his last legs, the selectors should have chosen a young up coming spinner. This type of series would have been the best time to bring them up, without tipping the balance of the team too much.

 

[Major]

When the opening post strats off with stats, you know that that person didnt even watch the whole match.


Plz stop digging stats.

Nawaz bowled alot of bad deliveries. Short pitchedand plus very few in the rough.

Yasir on the other hand bowled at the proper spots

 

[Square Drive]

He was fantastic.

Should've been used more, but unfortunately, Misbah will still think of him as "a 5th bowler" no matter how well he's bowling.

 

[Square Drive]

When the opening post strats off with stats, you know that that person didnt even watch the whole match.


Plz stop digging stats.

Nawaz bowled alot of bad deliveries. Short pitchedand plus very few in the rough.

Yasir on the other hand bowled at the proper spots

If bowling a lot of bad deliveries means economy rates of 2.25 and 1.77 respectively, I'll take an entire bowling attack of bowlers who bowl bad deliveries.

 

[Moiza]

When the opening post strats off with stats, you know that that person didnt even watch the whole match.


Plz stop digging stats.

Nawaz bowled alot of bad deliveries. Short pitchedand plus very few in the rough.

Yasir on the other hand bowled at the proper spots

I watched all 9 sessions of the last 3 days and the most part of the first 2 days.

First of all, its his first test match if you havent noticed that already. Secondly, the bowlers who were bowling from the other end were bowling no better than Nawaz. If he bowled as bad as you are suggesting than why does he happen to have the best economy rate in both innings? Did he have a pact of some sort with the WI batsmen that they wouldnt score against him?

Test cricket bowling isnt just bowling lethal deliveries in the rough, you get equally good results if not better by shutting down the easy singles and doubles. Our pacers were giving them single with such ease that there was practically no need to play any bad shots.

If all I have said is wrong, still how do you expect a debutant to bowl consistent line and length when he is given 3 overs at random throughout the day? Yasir on the other hand bowls 10+ over spells and has more than enough time to get settled...

 

[Moiza]

If bowling a lot of bad deliveries means economy rates of 2.25 and 1.77 respectively, I'll take an entire bowling attack of bowlers who bowl bad deliveries.

Since he isnt a 30+ baba everybody assumes that the low economy rate is just a fluke.

 

[Major]

I watched all 9 sessions of the last 3 days and the most part of the first 2 days.

First of all, its his first test match if you havent noticed that already. Secondly, the bowlers who were bowling from the other end were bowling no better than Nawaz. If he bowled as bad as you are suggesting than why does he happen to have the best economy rate in both innings? Did he have a pact of some sort with the WI batsmen that they wouldnt score against him?

Test cricket bowling isnt just bowling lethal deliveries in the rough, you get equally good results if not better by shutting down the easy singles and doubles. Our pacers were giving them single with such ease that there was practically no need to play any bad shots.

If all I have said is wrong, still how do you expect a debutant to bowl consistent line and length when he is given 3 overs at random throughout the day? Yasir on the other hand bowls 10+ over spells and has more than enough time to get settled...

if after watching the whole game you think he bowled well, then you really need to learn more about the game.

again stop bring up stats, stats dont tell the whole story.

he kept bowling shot of length, for any spinner todo that, its embarrassing.

also it was his first test is not an excuses of bowling short.

its a seperate thing that the west indies dint take too much advantage of his bad bowling.

 

[Abdullah719]

I watched all 9 sessions of the last 3 days and the most part of the first 2 days.

First of all, its his first test match if you havent noticed that already. Secondly, the bowlers who were bowling from the other end were bowling no better than Nawaz. If he bowled as bad as you are suggesting than why does he happen to have the best economy rate in both innings? Did he have a pact of some sort with the WI batsmen that they wouldnt score against him?

Test cricket bowling isnt just bowling lethal deliveries in the rough, you get equally good results if not better by shutting down the easy singles and doubles. Our pacers were giving them single with such ease that there was practically no need to play any bad shots.

If all I have said is wrong, still how do you expect a debutant to bowl consistent line and length when he is given 3 overs at random throughout the day? Yasir on the other hand bowls 10+ over spells and has more than enough time to get settled...

Since Nawaz is a youngster, the West Indian batsmen wanted to go easy on his bad balls. Respect.

 

[Major]

I watched all 9 sessions of the last 3 days and the most part of the first 2 days.

First of all, its his first test match if you havent noticed that already. Secondly, the bowlers who were bowling from the other end were bowling no better than Nawaz. If he bowled as bad as you are suggesting than why does he happen to have the best economy rate in both innings? Did he have a pact of some sort with the WI batsmen that they wouldnt score against him?

Test cricket bowling isnt just bowling lethal deliveries in the rough, you get equally good results if not better by shutting down the easy singles and doubles. Our pacers were giving them single with such ease that there was practically no need to play any bad shots.

If all I have said is wrong, still how do you expect a debutant to bowl consistent line and length when he is given 3 overs at random throughout the day? Yasir on the other hand bowls 10+ over spells and has more than enough time to get settled...

this is very childish to say that its his first debut match its ok to bowl short.


you cannot classify yourself as a good spinner if you bowl short and it doesnt matter if you are
pkaying your first or 100th game.

for any spinner bowling short is a sin.

 

[Moiza]

if after watching the whole game you think he bowled well, then you really need to learn more about the game.

again stop bring up stats, stats dont tell the whole story.

he kept bowling shot of length, for any spinner todo that, its embarrassing.

also it was his first test is not an excuses of bowling short.

its a seperate thing that the west indies dint take too much advantage of his bad bowling.

So if Im not wrong you mean to say that WI batsmen did not take advantage of 30 overs of nawaz which were bowled short, the ideal length to hit the spinner but they took a liking to yasir who was consistently landing it in the rough? I'd be concerned for their batting coach if this is the case

 

[Moiza]

Since Nawaz is a youngster, the West Indian batsmen wanted to go easy on his bad balls. Respect.

1 dot ball = 1 respect.

 

[Major]

Since he isnt a 30+ baba everybody assumes that the low economy rate is just a fluke.

30+ baba what is that suppose to mean??

a spinner gets better with age.

this is why the likes of zafar gohar who have potential but cant perform to that potential as they lack alot.

a spinner is like wine, it gets better with age.

yasir shah did about 8-10 years in domestic before getting here

 

[Abdullah719]

if after watching the whole game you think he bowled well, then you really need to learn more about the game.

again stop bring up stats, stats dont tell the whole story.

he kept bowling shot of length, for any spinner todo that, its embarrassing.

also it was his first test is not an excuses of bowling short.

its a seperate thing that the west indies dint take too much advantage of his bad bowling.

Since I didn't recall all these short deliveries you are referring to, I had a look at a pitch map. I see a handful of short-ish deliveries in the first innings but barely any in the second innings. Strange.

 

[Abdullah719]

30+ baba what is that suppose to mean??

a spinner gets better with age.

this is why the likes of zafar gohar who have potential but cant perform to that potential as they lack alot.

a spinner is like wine, it gets better with age.

yasir shah did about 8-10 years in domestic before getting here

How do you know they can't perform to that potential before giving them a chance?

So we must wait for 10 years to give Zafar, Asghar, etc. their debuts?

 

[Major]

So if Im not wrong you mean to say that WI batsmen did not take advantage of 30 overs of nawaz which were bowled short, the ideal length to hit the spinner but they took a liking to yasir who was consistently landing it in the rough? I'd be concerned for their batting coach if this is the case

you really lack knowledge about the game bro.

yasir bowled at the right places, he kept pressure this is why he bowled 40 overs in a single innings.

nawaz kept bowling short, bowling short isnt what creates pressure. thus he was not used. simple as that.

west indies took little advantage of nawazs.

 

[Moiza]

Since I didn't recall all these short deliveries you are referring to, I had a look at a pitch map. I see a handful of short-ish deliveries in the first innings but barely any in the second innings. Strange.

Somebody should've told this to warne and murali, they missed out on a lot by not debuting at 30. Poor guys

 

[Major]

How do you know they can't perform to that potential before giving them a chance?

So we must wait for 10 years to give Zafar, Asghar, etc. their debuts?

havent you seen zafar in odis?

asghar is good, but he still needs polishing

 

[ali2220]

30+ baba what is that suppose to mean??

a spinner gets better with age.

this is why the likes of zafar gohar who have potential but cant perform to that potential as they lack alot.

a spinner is like wine, it gets better with age.

yasir shah did about 8-10 years in domestic before getting here

How are ppl saying that they can't perform, or that Pak spinners got exposed when the spinners in contention haven't even debuted??

If a spinner is good only when he becomes baba then how come Saqlain performed when he was so young?

 

[Abdullah719]

havent you seen zafar in odis?

asghar is good, but he still needs polishing

Yes, I saw Zafar. We were defending approximately 200 so he tried to bowl attacking lines as we needed wickets desperately and got hit a little but was still the most successful bowler of the lot, getting Root and Hales.

We've also seen how Yasir bowls in ODIs and we have a much larger sample size for him than for Zafar. I guess we shouldn't play him in Tests.

 

[ali2220]

havent you seen zafar in odis?

asghar is good, but he still needs polishing

Haven't you seen Yasir in Onedayers? lets dump yasir from the team and bring in baba zulfi and baba ajmal.

 

[Major]

Yes, I saw Zafar. We were defending approximately 200 so he tried to bowl attacking lines as we needed wickets desperately and got hit a little but was still the most successful bowler of the lot.

We've also seen how Yasir bowls in ODIs and we have a much larger sample size for him than for Zafar. I guess we shouldn't play him in Tests.

zafar's accuracy wasnt that great.

you are right about the second part, but zafar still lacks alot. he isnt that conssistent with his length.

after babr, i would go for asghar.

people on this forum call zulfiqar names like Baba or what not, but anyone who knows about spin bowlling could see babars class by the naked eye. its true he doesnt pick that many wickets nowadays, but he bowls consisstent at rhe right areas and this is why Misbah would make him bowl 30+ overs, as he could keep pressure.

what pakistan need is one frontline spinner and another spinner who could atleast take advantage of those roughs.

this is why i loved abdur rehman. experienced bowler, was always accurate with his line and length. all he did was throw the ball on the rough and the ball would go on to do its magic. lovely bowler he was

 

[Abdullah719]

zafar's accuracy wasnt that great.

you are right about the second part, but zafar still lacks alot. he isnt that conssistent with his length.

after babr, i would go for asghar.

people on this forum call zulfiqar names like Baba or what not, but anyone who knows about spin bowlling could see babars class by the naked eye. its true he doesnt pick that many wickets nowadays, but he bowls consisstent at rhe right areas and this is why Misbah would make him bowl 30+ overs, as he could keep pressure.

what pakistan need is one frontline spinner and another spinner who could atleast take advantage of those roughs.

this is why i loved abdur rehman. experienced bowler, was always accurate with his line and length. all he did was throw the ball on the rough and the ball would go on to do its magic. lovely bowler he was

How do you know on the basis of one ODI that Zafar doesn't bowl differently in Tests?

How do we know that Zulfi is better than the other upcoming bowlers without giving them a chance?

Unless you have personally seen them bowling a long spell in FC cricket, I don't think that judgement can be accurately made.

 

[Major]

Haven't you seen Yasir in Onedayers? lets dump yasir from the team and bring in baba zulfi and baba ajmal.

yes i have seen him in onedays, and i could tell you the difference in problem between both bowlers.

yasir doesnt bowl at bad areas in oneday. his problem is he rushes through his overs in limited overs cricket, this was something pointed out by some tv pundit aswell. rushing through overs is not good.

he doesnt do that in test though.

zafars problem is he isnt accurate, tends to throw few short

 

[Major]

How do you know on the basis of one ODI that Zafar doesn't bowl differently in Tests?

How do we know that Zulfi is better than the other upcoming bowlers without giving them a chance?

Unless you have personally seen them bowling a long spell in FC cricket, I don't think that judgement can be accurately made.

come on bro, havent we seen zafar in psl. yes its t20, but he ain't accurate.

except for babr there is asghar only, and lets see how he does with Pakistan A.

but if pakistan could somehow pull out a good right arm offspinner, our test team would become simply unbeatable.

 

[Square Drive]

30+ baba what is that suppose to mean??

a spinner gets better with age.

this is why the likes of zafar gohar who have potential but cant perform to that potential as they lack alot.

a spinner is like wine, it gets better with age.

yasir shah did about 8-10 years in domestic before getting here

So you're basically saying spinners are Haram?

Even saying that would make more sense than the rest of your post.

 

[ali2220]

yes i have seen him in onedays, and i could tell you the difference in problem between both bowlers.

yasir doesnt bowl at bad areas in oneday. his problem is he rushes through his overs in limited overs cricket, this was something pointed out by some tv pundit aswell. rushing through overs is not good.

he doesnt do that in test though.

zafars problem is he isnt accurate, tends to throw few short

Regardless of what the issue was in onedayer, Zafar needs to be given proper run in longer format before he's discarded for good. No point in stocking with ttf oldies like Zulfi.

 

[aloo paratha]

you really lack knowledge about the game bro.

yasir bowled at the right places, he kept pressure this is why he bowled 40 overs in a single innings.

nawaz kept bowling short, bowling short isnt what creates pressure. thus he was not used. simple as that.

west indies took little advantage of nawazs.

Which game were you watching??

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

The more I see of Nawaz, the more I feel that he is massively overrated by our selectors. Needs a lot of time to become test-class.

 

[Major]

by OP's logic sohail khan was the best bowler as he was also economical.

big difference between stats and what you watch

 

[AlphaFighter]

Looking at the highlights, Mohd Nawaz bowled some rippers, he was getting more spin on the ball than Yasir. I find it shocking and scandelous to the extent he was under bowled. He should have bowled 10-15 overs more than he did.

 

[Abdullah719]

The more I see of Nawaz, the more I feel that he is massively overrated by our selectors. Needs a lot of time to become test-class.

He's in his first year of international cricket. Almost every cricketer is a work in progress so early into his career.

 

[srh]

He's in his first year of international cricket. Almost every cricketer is a work in progress so early into his career.

he is not test class spinner. he was wrongly selected in the test squad and then more wrongly selected in the test team just because of his batting. An AR has to be good enough to make the team as bowler alone or batsman alone. Nawaz cannot make the team as a bowler alone or a batsman alone. fact.

 

[Justcrazy]

Misbah was not confident about him.

But yes he was under bowled , he is not playing as a specialist bowler , but still should have been bowled a bit more.

 

[Abdullah719]

he is not test class spinner. he was wrongly selected in the test squad and then more wrongly selected in the test team just because of his batting. An AR has to be good enough to make the team as bowler alone or batsman alone. Nawaz cannot make the team as a bowler alone or a batsman alone. fact.

He is there because our batting is good enough without having an extra proper batsman and because he is good enough to play the role of a 5th bowler.

On these wickets, it's more likely that we will need an extra bowler to help us pick 20 wickets rather than an extra batsman.

 

[Justcrazy]

he is not test class spinner. he was wrongly selected in the test squad and then more wrongly selected in the test team just because of his batting. An AR has to be good enough to make the team as bowler alone or batsman alone. Nawaz cannot make the team as a bowler alone or a batsman alone. fact.

He did not bowl badly , bowling is not his stronger suit .

 

[1992CorneredTiger]

Agree with OP, definitely bowled too few overs. He bowled decently and deserved more.

On comparing him to Zulfi and saying 'he is not test class', I think a lot of posters don't understand that he was picked as an all rounder - to bat at 7 and be our FIFTH bowler. He was not picked as a bowler alone so you can't start comparing them - so think, did he do well as a FIFTH bowler?

Saying that, I thought he bowled decently, better in the second innings, and picked up a few wickets.

 

[Moiza]

Another match and this time he doesnt even get an over. I'm not sure if something was wrong with him or not but if he's fit then this is real bad captaincy. How does a player perform if he doesnt get an over?

 

[Hamza_]

I think there is no point in picking him or anyother allrounder. Its obvious we dont need an all rounder. Need to get in a proper batsman in place of Nawaz. Our strategy is Yasir is from one end and one of three pacers from the other.

 

[srh]

I would have played Babar Azam instead. Pakistan probably would have scored 500+ with him.