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Mohammad Nawaz : Not the all-rounder we deserve, but the all-rounder we need | Take a bow

Cant judge spinners from the PSL to be honest. Those were spinning wickets, these guys will get murdered on flat pitches
 
AlphaFighter said:
Cant judge spinners from the PSL to be honest. Those were spinning wickets, these guys will get murdered on flat pitches
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Imad wasn't even turning the ball on those wickets. Nawaz was getting decent turn, although it might have been because they were turning wickets. Asghar was a better bowler anyway, Nawaz got the nod because he can bat as well. He's done badly in the Asia cup as a bowler so his batting is immaterial.
 
We need to give him a run of matches and back him as our front line spinner. Keep dropping him every other game is not ideal.
 
Needs time

Remember how a lot of PP experts were writing Amir off during the NZ series.
 
I don't think anybody would write Amir of as he has demonstrated wicket taking ability in the past just has to rediscover it.

But nawaz is too raw. Think he should just be used in dead rubbers for now. He spins it for sure but doesn't know what length and what speed to bowl.

I liked zafar gohar more.
 
Too early to write him off but he looks very nervous.

Needs more chances though.
 
Poor captaincy he should not bowl in pp he needs more games to do that he's just fine give him more games
 
Nawaz has his value. Played 2 games, won 2 games. You feel better looking at your line up that there is an additional batsman waiting.

But needs to figure out his bowling strategy quick.
 
Laxman has just called him a bits and pieces player, not a skilled bowler and has a poor wrist position.

Was another difficult day for him.
 
he is a talented lad but he was half cooked.looked nervous as well,does not look ready for internationals yet need to spend at least 2 years in first class then hopefully he will be ready.
 
He looked scared and fearful that's what happens you keep on dropping players after one match.
 
Good captains protect their upcoming players and guide them. in our case Afridi was setting him up for failure by bowling him at wrong time. the bowling changes were a key. when they were hitting and nawaz had a bad over he should have tried malik or a fast bowler and then brought back nawaz once a wicket falls. he did not do that.
 
Come on guys, it was his first series on a fast bowling track. He went for heavy runs, but doesn't matter.

We should stick to him for a long time, otherwise trust me we will never find a good combination. We always expect our players to start delivering from day 1 or debut match, which is not possible.

Warne wasn't warne from day one, nor Saqlain and any other bowler, give him time. I would stick to him for WT20, where i am sure pitches will help spinners.

I am afraid selectors will drop him and it would be blunder.
 
Nawaz is a must in the test team. He is the only proper all-rounder in Pakistan.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Lol hes bits and pieces. Aamer Yamin and Amad Butt are the 2 we need in all formats
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Bits and pieces? He is a proper spinner with an FC average under 25 and a handy batsman with a FC average above 30. Yamin's bowling is innocuous and Amad Butt's FC average is 18, hardly a batsman.
 
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endymion248 said:
Bits and pieces? He is a proper spinner with an FC average under 25 and a handy batsman with a FC average above 30. Yamin's bowling is innocuous and Amad Butt's FC average is 18, hardly a batsman.
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Dont look at stats... A lot of rubbish in domestic cricket has good stats
 
aliasad1998 said:
Dont look at stats... A lot of rubbish in domestic cricket has good stats
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Yes, that's why Amad and Yamin not having good stats proves they are not all-rounders. Amad is a decent bowler, Yamin is a bits and pieces failure.
 
endymion248 said:
Yes, that's why Amad and Yamin not having good stats proves they are not all-rounders. Amad is a decent bowler, Yamin is a bits and pieces failure.
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Lol. Yamin is a batting allrounder he is a much better batsmen then nawaz though I do have high hopes of nawaz becoming a solid allrounder for us in future.
 
Khan12 said:
Lol. Yamin is a batting allrounder he is a much better batsmen then nawaz though I do have high hopes of nawaz becoming a solid allrounder for us in future.
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Don't need a batting all-rounder who gets carted around, Pakistan's test batting is strong.
 
Khan12 said:
I am talking about odis and even there is a case for him at 7 in test as well and nawaz at 8
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In ODIs, maybe. In tests, I'd rather have good fast bowlers and spin all-rounders with Yasir Shah.
 
endymion248 said:
In ODIs, maybe. In tests, I'd rather have good fast bowlers and spin all-rounders with Yasir Shah.[/QUOTE
Not maybe he is a must for odis ahead of Anwar ali and in test there is a case for him there too specially when younis and misbah retires.
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He and Kamran Ghulam are the two genuine all rounders in our domestic circuit. Shadab Khan has the potential as well, let's see how he goes.
 
He has been unplayable with the A-team and also has scored a lot of runs.
 
endymion248 said:
He has been unplayable with the A-team and also has scored a lot of runs.
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Yep, have backed this kid since the start. He wasn't meant for t20s, our idiot management confused formats. Was a gun List-A player, and good show today, albeit against a depleted side.

Many more to come. Can also play a long hand.
 
I rate him over Iftikhar. Not sure why the latter was selected in the test team. PCB now needs to give Nawaz a run in the ODI team. Performing against England will not be an easy task.
 
Suleiman said:
Yep, have backed this kid since the start. He wasn't meant for t20s, our idiot management confused formats. Was a gun List-A player, and good show today, albeit against a depleted side.

Many more to come. Can also play a long hand.
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Yeah, it was evident from the start. Everyone here but us was under-rating him because they like Asghar or Yamin.
 
He has potential, but still not good enough for the highest level. His offside play leaves a lot to be desired. Needs to improve it otherwise good bowlers will take advantage of his weakness.

Both Sharjeel and Nawaz can be dismissed within overs by just keeping up with a 4/5th stump line.

The positive is that he is already good to be our test number 7 in the UAE. He can easily leave deliveries outside off and feast on everything on the middle. A pretty decent left armer for those tracks.

I know Pakistanis like to be positive about everything but I just tried to give my balanced view on Nawaz's potential. Insha'Allah the lad will improve.
 
The only Pakistani bowler who is looking threatening on this phatta. Kid has got something.
 
He can def be a good long term option

He wont be a world beater as the PP hype machine had him at end of last PSL but certainly has tools to be a very useful player in all formats if his batting progresses

however the problem unfortunately is that is that these types of players are icing on the cake for a team rather than be the key ingredients in the cake making process :cook
 
Bowled extremely well today. Last over ruined his figures. He should be selected ahead of Imad Wasim.
 
Bowled very well today! Economical for the most part, good lines and lengths and got 1 wicket. Good uner pressure.
 
I think he is a better batsman and spinner than imad in odi's. He should certainly play in tests
 
Aside from all the good discussion on Nawaz, don't understand the presumably fancy thread title. Is it just me?

On point, Nawaz should first establish himself in ODI team before dislodging someone in a settled test unit.

Not so long ago, he was public enemy number 1. Give him time.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Aside from all the good discussion on Nawaz, don't understand the presumably fancy thread title. Is it just me?

On point, Nawaz should first establish himself in ODI team before dislodging someone in a settled test unit.

Not so long ago, he was public enemy number 1. Give him time.
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We were struggling with 4 bowlers in England hence Iftikhar Ahmed played in 4th test. He is certainly a better option than Ifti.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Aside from all the good discussion on Nawaz, don't understand the presumably fancy thread title. Is it just me?

On point, Nawaz should first establish himself in ODI team before dislodging someone in a settled test unit.

Not so long ago, he was public enemy number 1. Give him time.
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The test unit lacks an all-rounder. Nawaz could replace Hafeez or one of the fast-bowlers (in UAE), depending on how strong of a batting you want.
 
Another fab performance in cool n cool national t20 cup final to down Shafiq's Karachi team. Kid is all class, bright future ahead.

Should invest in players like him rather than replacing quality allrounders like him and Amad with hacks like Rumal Raees.
 
Big expectations on the lad for tomorrow. Same country where he was like a legal Muralitharan last PSL. This could be THE series that defines his career.

Gut feeling says he should play in top order as well if he bowls well.

Usually for allrounders if they do well in one discipline the confidence flows into the other one. It's like osmosis. Osmosamosa.
 
Achieves a test call up, kid keeps moving up in intl cricket, congrats to him.

Think he will make it count. Should bat at 6.
 
Amazing!! This guy would be considered all rounder only in Pakistan team. He can't bat nor bowl. What is he? really offers nothing to this team.
 
Think I will be happier if he takes wickets and contains batsmen
 
Gets too much stick on this forum, if he's given a run I think he will come good. Problem is there is no need for him and Imad in the same team outside of the subcontinent where the next World Cup is.
 
Hasan123 said:
Gets too much stick on this forum, if he's given a run I think he will come good. Problem is there is no need for him and Imad in the same team outside of the subcontinent where the next World Cup is.
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Ellipsism said:
He was spinning the ball the most out of all Pakistan's spinners and flighted the ball.
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I haven't seen today's match but I saw him in the UAE and he was awful. Unless he has improved drastically, which I doubt, he will be gone soon. I am curious and I will watch the highlights to see if you guys are right. I am very rarely wrong on spinners, so this could make me look like a complete chump.
 
No need for two left arm spinners in playing eleven. Bench him.

Also select one left arm spinner (allrounder) in the squad of 16. That's it. Unless there are two exceptional players.
 
He's not an all rounder

Yasir Shah has shown more fight and composure with the bat than Nawaz
 
In what way is this guy an all rounder? Utility bowler at best, not someone who can win you games and his batting is worse than a tailenders. Can barely clear the inner field, how on earth is he coming in at 8 for us when we need boundaries. And this is not just today, there is actually a decent sample size for him in international cricket.

Poor with the bat in the England series, poor with the bat in the UAE roads against West Indies and his dismissal was laughable yesterday. Seriously needs to improve his game because I am sure even now, Afridi could still do a better job than him.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
The kid is 22. most all-arounders don't look convincing at that age.

exhibit A- Ravindra Jadeja.
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Comparing Jadeja to sir nawaz is like comparing Inzi to maqsood.

Nawaz is not much of a use with the ball, and with the bat he's clueless, only in Pak ppl can him him an allrounder.
 
Ok, we gave him enough chances, he doesn;t belong to International cricket, send him back to FC and lets try someone else.
 
ali2220 said:
Comparing Jadeja to sir nawaz is like comparing Inzi to maqsood.

Nawaz is not much of a use with the ball, and with the bat he's clueless, only in Pak ppl can him him an allrounder.
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In Pakistan if you are not a bowler or a batsman, you are an allrounder.
 
Not the all rounder we deserve. Not the all rounder we need. Not an all rounder. Period
 
ali2220 said:
Comparing Jadeja to sir nawaz is like comparing Inzi to maqsood.

Nawaz is not much of a use with the ball, and with the bat he's clueless, only in Pak ppl can him him an allrounder.
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my point is Jadeja at 22 wasn't all that either.
nawaz got a wicket today. another was dropped i think.
 
Hasan123 said:
Gets too much stick on this forum, if he's given a run I think he will come good. Problem is there is no need for him and Imad in the same team outside of the subcontinent where the next World Cup is.
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We have such a line of cool megastars that we expect this guy to take a wicket on every ball!
 
MenInG said:
We have such a line of cool megastars that we expect this guy to take a wicket on every ball!
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His bowling isn't the issue though. Has looked awful with the bat whenever I have seen him unlike Imad who is a genuine all rounder.
 
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