Mohammad Rizwan "The criticism seems to be dying down a bit, so I must be doing something right"

If PCB had sent him to the mosque, that would be something to worry

But he goes on a personal mission (maybe asked to do), someone (not the PCB) videos him and its on social media.

That's all there is to it.

Thanks for clearing it up.
 
I dont care if he delivers sermons for the rest of his life before every match.

As long he plays for his country and doesnt hit 50 off 40 balls.
 
I understand, this is okay if doing in his own personal time. But as he is touring with Pak national side, I'm not convinced this should be done on tour time and representing the team. He is a player first and foremost not a preacher.

Other issues with this, is Pak national team only for Sunni Muslims? Pak team should be open for all regardless of religion or beliefs.

I know there is a problem with this in practice but the national side shouldn't be used as a vehicle for religiosity.
You do realise that on non match days, they can’t train 16 hours a day right? In every profession you’re allowed downtime, and he used his to practice his faith. Faith is ultimately a personal matter and he’s gone to the local mosque where they asked him to speak, given his success in the sporting field. So he did. And his talk got out on social media. I don’t quite under What the pearl clutching is about?
 
Anyone who is active in practicing religion naturally has as an affinity toward preaching. I've noticed it in other folks too in my circle. It's part of spreading the word etc.

Nothing wrong in it but you've got to manage it well as people pick up quickly and misinformation spreads. Something to be careful about.
 
I dont care if he delivers sermons for the rest of his life before every match.

As long he plays for his country and doesnt hit 50 off 40 balls.

Rizwan does play for his country and doesnt hit 40 balls 50

His career strike rate as an opener is well above a 40 ball 50
 
Anyone who is active in practicing religion naturally has as an affinity toward preaching. I've noticed it in other folks too in my circle. It's part of spreading the word etc.

Nothing wrong in it but you've got to manage it well as people pick up quickly and misinformation spreads. Something to be careful about.

Anybody who lives anybody kind of lifestyle essentially advertises it because they live it. They also like to talk about it, because people want to spread whatever good they’re feeling to the next person. It’s not too far removed from Vegans telling you the merits of veganism.
 
What Rizwan does in his spare time is fine with me as long as he is not breaking any rules.

If he was contravening any rules I'm sure PCB would stop him.
 
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Is this guy a maulvi or Pheer bhai on tour or an international cricketer on tour? Even Iftikhar looking bored.

What do you want him to do?
 
I understand, this is okay if doing in his own personal time. But as he is touring with Pak national side, I'm not convinced this should be done on tour time and representing the team. He is a player first and foremost not a preacher.

Other issues with this, is Pak national team only for Sunni Muslims? Pak team should be open for all regardless of religion or beliefs.

I know there is a problem with this in practice but the national side shouldn't be used as a vehicle for religiosity.

How do you know they are all sunni Muslims?
 
What Rizwan does in his spare time is fine with me as long as he is not breaking any rules.

If he was contravening any rules I'm sure PCB would stop him.

Am sure they won't stop him.
 
Rizwan does play for his country and doesnt hit 40 balls 50

His career strike rate as an opener is well above a 40 ball 50

Yeah when he gets to his 50 he plays quite differently.

I agree.
 
As long he plays for his country and doesnt hit 50 off 40 balls.

This has happened once from the 21 times he has crossed 50.

1/21.

And if you watch that match its clear that it was a case of a predominantly leg side player getting bogged down.

Plus he was criticised so much for it that it completely does away with the concept of playing for 'himself'.

So basically you have came up with a full (flawed) thesis from 1/21 innings....
 
This has happened once from the 21 times he has crossed 50.

1/21.

And if you watch that match its clear that it was a case of a predominantly leg side player getting bogged down.

Plus he was criticised so much for it that it completely does away with the concept of playing for 'himself'.

So basically you have came up with a full (flawed) thesis from 1/21 innings....

So you mean to say he plays very fast as an opener?
 
Well religion is a private and personal matter compared to those options you have listed. But as I said, it doesn't matter what I have to say on the matter, my views on a forum are irrelevant so need to get worked up.

I was just trying to give an objective take on things because I don't see a Pakistan cricket tour as a vehicle to be preaching. The team should be seen as welcoming and inclusive to all.

Riz has form in bringing religion and his piety brand to the field of play all the time, maybe its just a way to add to his legend but if people are happy and delighted so be it, I have nothing more to add.

You have a right to your opinion ofcourse and you can chose to ignore me. But I’m simply trying to understand the issue here.

Religion is absolutely personal. But in his personal capacity he chose to give a talk. Is the issue then that he shouldn’t do that during a tour because it’s a personal thing? Or that it shouldn’t be recorded and put online. In which case, surely what matters is whether the PCB or someone Rizwan asked did the recoding etc.

He has previously displayed religion on the field. Religion is a personal thing , but to those that truly believe, it’s an underlying pillar of everything they do in their life. Part of their religious duty to to be openly worshiping and submitting to the lord. The ‘bad’ Muslims have no issues with being plastered and portrayed all over the media, why should the ‘good’ Muslims not openly practise their religion so people can associate positively with Islam?
 
What some people dont understand is religion maybe a private and personal thing to them but to many muslims it not private

To a muslim who follows his religion deeply Islam governs every little aspect of your life and that also includes your duty to spread the message and get people to follow the right path

So to outwardly talk about islam or how others should or shoudnt conduct themselves in terms of religion isnt an alien concept for muslims
 
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I haven't made any references to his strike rate.

That was you.

My entire claim was he plays slow as an opener.

You were proving he has played 20 innings of 50 which werent slow.

Either say yes or no.

Dont try to "red herring" the argument.
 
Rizwan's wicket today. Trying too hard to up the strike rate

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He is on sports visa, not on religious or some kind of missionary trip.

So he has gotten a visa to play cricket but he is saying cricket isn’t important and the purpose is something else.

When you have experts saying that reading Namaz amidst non-believers etc is a great thing and then you are preaching on a cricket tour, the semantics are not that great. It blows my mind people think this is normal.
 
The best T20 batsman in the world and the numbers show this. In fact, he's probably the best T20 player in the world when you factor in his batting, wicket-keeping, general fielding and dawah work. :amla

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I'm happy he has haters and is making the murtads/liberals/Islamophobes/atheists cry and whine about giving a bayaan at a mosque that he was invited to and something that the team management had no issue with. Islam is not a private matter.

Always great to see that all our top atheletes that represent Pakistan on the world stage and actually do things for the taraqqi of Pakistan are all proud, pious (as far as others can tell) Muslims.
 
He is on sports visa, not on religious or some kind of missionary trip.

So he has gotten a visa to play cricket but he is saying cricket isn’t important and the purpose is something else.

When you have experts saying that reading Namaz amidst non-believers etc is a great thing and then you are preaching on a cricket tour, the semantics are not that great. It blows my mind people think this is normal.

Really dont think you understand Islam or Muslims.

Going to a Mosque to speak to fellow Muslims is not preaching Islam.
 
He is on sports visa, not on religious or some kind of missionary trip.

So he has gotten a visa to play cricket but he is saying cricket isn’t important and the purpose is something else.

When you have experts saying that reading Namaz amidst non-believers etc is a great thing and then you are preaching on a cricket tour, the semantics are not that great. It blows my mind people think this is normal.

Just goes to show how humble and down to earth he is. Even after becoming number 1 in T20 cricket he is not bragging about it. This is the quality which is missing in many cricketers these days. He isn't a showoff and he is not harming anyone by going to mosque. :inti
 
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Just wow. Iftikhar has to be at least 45 years old. Misbah and Yousuf look the same age as him.
 
What? You just implied the reference by saying "it has happened once from the 21 times he has crossed 50". :))

I just put into perspective what the poster was saying.

and like Aqib Javed's statement about Babar - it was a fabrication.
 
And he goes on and one...

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Absolute rubbish

What business did he have playing today??
 
People who constantly go after Rizwan are living in cloud cuckoo land. Who will you replace him with and where will you bat him instead?

I think people have forgotten the dreadful pre- Babar-Rizwan era and are getting ahead of themselves. You dont have the talent to replace this guy. So shut up and stay within your limits. And focus on the middle order where the actual problem lies.
 
Absolute rubbish

What business did he have playing today??

Hes the best player in the team What do you mean what business does he have playing today?

Be happy for once instead of blind hating
 
Hes the best player in the team What do you mean what business does he have playing today?

Be happy for once instead of blind hating

No!

He only played today because of maintaining his no.1 ranking which is under threat! He knows he will struggle in the final against Boult and Santner so he thought he might as well cash in on Bangladesh in a dead rubber!

Muhammad Harris should have played this game!
 
And he goes on and one...

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Another solid performance. Good on him to give credit to Nawaz when receiving the award. A true team player
 
No!

He only played today because of maintaining his no.1 ranking which is under threat! He knows he will struggle in the final against Boult and Santner so he thought he might as well cash in on Bangladesh in a dead rubber!

Muhammad Harris should have played this game!

Yes its not like hes scored runs consistently against india, aus, england etc

Hes got to the number one ranking feasting just on the likes of ireland and bangladesh and failing against the rest

Are you even hesring yourself right now
 
To all of the Rizwan cheerleaders,

Our openers were outbatted by Litton Das and Shakib. It’s pertinent to mention the Bangladeshi duo were up against superior bowling as well.

Babar and Rizwan may well be doing enough to retain their place in the side as openers but do not forget they lost us an Asia cup final against Sri Lanka, who gifted Pakistan 10 runs without from the outset.

We’ll never win a WT20 or Asia Cup with them two batting like this. Babar must show more intent and turn up when the stakes are high. Rizwan needs to develop his shot range especially against the fuller deliveries outside off stump.

Have to give full credit to Nawaz, just like against India recently, he saved Pakistan with a gun knock. He’s an unsung hero in this team. Consistently delivering with ball and shows great intent with the bat. Unlike the openers, he plays for selflessly for the greater good of the team.

The green tinted fans as usual going all Bhangra over some sluggish half centuries against a rubbish bowling attack. Getting happy over small achievements is a typical trait of theirs.

The small mentality of our fans epitomise the mediocrity of Pakistan cricket within the team and in general.

It’s as if the Asia Cup final never happened. For me it was a painful sight and had shades of Mohali 2011.

Misbah is the one who came up with this opening duo of Babar and Rizwan so I guess they’re learning from the best :))
 
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To all of the Rizwan cheerleaders,

Our openers were outbatted by Litton Das and Shakib. It’s pertinent to mention the Bangladeshi duo were up against superior bowling as well.

Babar and Rizwan may well be doing enough to retain their place in the side as openers but do not forget they lost us an Asia cup final against Sri Lanka, who gifted Pakistan 10 runs without from the outset.

We’ll never win a WT20 or Asia Cup with them two batting like this. Babar must show more intent and turn up when the stakes are high. Rizwan needs to develop his shot range especially against the fuller deliveries outside off stump.

Have to give full credit to Nawaz, just like against India recently, he saved Pakistan with a gun knock. He’s an unsung hero in this team. Consistently delivering with ball and shows great intent with the bat. Unlike the openers, he plays for selflessly for the greater good of the team.

The green tinted fans as usual going all Bhangra over some sluggish half centuries against a rubbish bowling attack. Getting happy over small achievements is a typical trait of theirs.

The small mentality of our fans epitomise the mediocrity of Pakistan cricket within the team and in general.

It’s as if the Asia Cup final never happened. For me it was a painful sight and had shades of Mohali 2011.

Misbah is the one who came up with this opening duo of Babar and Rizwan so I guess they’re learning from the best :))

Can you come up with a solution to fix the abysmal middle order rather than be an uncle tom having high expectations from the ones who are actually performing.

It's like being a teacher in the class who stays away from the bullies (despite them being pathetic at studies) and always likes to provide critique to the high achievers.

I see you have a lot of advice for Babar and Rizwan to up the ante by a few points on strike rate but have absolutely no words for why Haider almost started another collapse today, and why Iftikhar can't get past 100 SR and why Asif can't get past an average of 10 despite playing ample T20I games to get themselves established.
 
Can you come up with a solution to fix the abysmal middle order rather than be an uncle tom having high expectations from the ones who are actually performing.

It's like being a teacher in the class who stays away from the bullies (despite them being pathetic at studies) and always likes to provide critique to the high achievers.

I see you have a lot of advice for Babar and Rizwan to up the ante by a few points on strike rate but have absolutely no words for why Haider almost started another collapse today, and why Iftikhar can't get past 100 SR and why Asif can't get past an average of 10 despite playing ample T20I games to get themselves established.

What Uncle Tom??

4 fours in 56 balls against Bangladesh

What is this joke???
 
To all of the Rizwan cheerleaders,

Our openers were outbatted by Litton Das and Shakib. It’s pertinent to mention the Bangladeshi duo were up against superior bowling as well.

Babar and Rizwan may well be doing enough to retain their place in the side as openers but do not forget they lost us an Asia cup final against Sri Lanka, who gifted Pakistan 10 runs without from the outset.

We’ll never win a WT20 or Asia Cup with them two batting like this. Babar must show more intent and turn up when the stakes are high. Rizwan needs to develop his shot range especially against the fuller deliveries outside off stump.

Have to give full credit to Nawaz, just like against India recently, he saved Pakistan with a gun knock. He’s an unsung hero in this team. Consistently delivering with ball and shows great intent with the bat. Unlike the openers, he plays for selflessly for the greater good of the team.

The green tinted fans as usual going all Bhangra over some sluggish half centuries against a rubbish bowling attack. Getting happy over small achievements is a typical trait of theirs.

The small mentality of our fans epitomise the mediocrity of Pakistan cricket within the team and in general.

It’s as if the Asia Cup final never happened. For me it was a painful sight and had shades of Mohali 2011.

Misbah is the one who came up with this opening duo of Babar and Rizwan so I guess they’re learning from the best :))

Replace the number 1 t20i batsmen then with the "talent" you have in domestic cricket. Go on. Who will you replace him with?
 
What if it was 4 fours and 4 sixes? Should we then dance naked on the streets?

Pakistan has hit 1 six in two games

Hor das!

Misbah’s mission to destroy us is nearly complete!
 
Pakistan has hit 1 six in two games

Hor das!

Misbah’s mission to destroy us is nearly complete!

That's because the middle order faced majority of the deliveries in the previous match. How would you defend this? Why couldn't they all manage to hit any six at all despite playing long innings?
 
That's because the middle order faced majority of the deliveries in the previous match. How would you defend this? Why couldn't they all manage to hit any six at all despite playing long innings?

It’s because they are probably sick of playing for the team whilst the openers are playing for themselves and avoiding the bulk of the criticism!

Also, did they not try to hit sixes?? Did Babar and Rizwan even try???
 
It’s because they are probably sick of playing for the team whilst the openers are playing for themselves and avoiding the bulk of the criticism!

Also, did they not try to hit sixes?? Did Babar and Rizwan even try???
Yes ifti and Asif, Shan, Khushdil playing for team aur kuch
 
It’s because they are probably sick of playing for the team whilst the openers are playing for themselves and avoiding the bulk of the criticism!

Also, did they not try to hit sixes?? Did Babar and Rizwan even try???

That's your response? They didn't hit a six because they're sick of playing for the team?

What do you mean by trying? Playing and missing while flashing the bat is good enough in your eyes? Anyone can do that.
 
Yeah I won’t waste a single ball

Back in the hut if I fail. But I know I will play for my team

We should fill the whole XI with people like you.

0/11 in 11 balls. Atleast then team Pakistan wouldn't waste balls.
 
Also the decision to give Rizwan MOTM is an absolute farce. It was a sluggish half century which was scored at well below the run rate required from the outset. Litton Das and Shakib scored the same runs at a strike rate of almost 50% higher against better bowlers than the ones faced by Rizwan.

If it had to be awarded to a Pakistani, it should’ve been given to Nawaz for his blinder. Scoring 45 off 20 isn’t easy especially when you have an opening duo who are doing everything to increase the run rate required because they’d rather play for their stats.
 
Strike rate of 123 when the chase required 150 is not acceptable especially when you have batted 10 overs which includes the powerplay.

Today was a abnormal day that a middle/lower batsmen managed to score at a SR of 200 to win the game but this is a rare occurrence.
 
We should fill the whole XI with people like you.

0/11 in 11 balls. Atleast then team Pakistan wouldn't waste balls.

So for you playing out 20 overs matters more than actually winning the game? Typical Misbah fanbase mentality.
 
There is a reason why we have become such a timid batting side. It's because we appreciate batsman more if he survives greater no. Of balls. Who cares if someone gets out playing much needed shots for team. But yeah a typical batsman like Rizwan is cherished here who plays for his stats and milestones irrespective of what the team needs. A player who plays safe cricket not risking his wicket and refusing to play boundary shots. Looks like Pakistani fans are still living in Misbah's age where it was more about losing with dignity rather than changing the batting mentality.
 
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Yeah I won’t waste a single ball

Back in the hut if I fail. But I know I will play for my team

Getting out playinf kamikaze cricket isnt playing for the team Getting behind the run rate is one way of losing a game but another is gifting mindless wkts by playing like headless chickens

So you think someone like haider who cant buy a run and is getting out for literally nothing these days is playing for the team?

How does that win a game? Thats anything but playing for the team
 
Getting out playinf kamikaze cricket isnt playing for the team Getting behind the run rate is one way of losing a game but another is gifting mindless wkts by playing like headless chickens

So you think someone like haider who cant buy a run and is getting out for literally nothing these days is playing for the team?

How does that win a game? Thats anything but playing for the team

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] summed it up brilliantly

Are other teams stupid playing two attacking dashers as openers whilst Pakistan plays two anchors?

Why do we think we are some Wakhri Makhlooq?
 
Have to give full credit to Nawaz, just like against India recently, he saved Pakistan with a gun knock. He’s an unsung hero in this team. Consistently delivering with ball and shows great intent with the bat. Unlike the openers, he plays for selflessly for the greater good of the team.

Interesting that you define 15-20 matches ago as "recent" :))

We need the middle order to consistently come close to matching/outbatting our openers. One-off knocks against Bangladesh are nothing to distribute mithai over.
 
Getting out playinf kamikaze cricket isnt playing for the team Getting behind the run rate is one way of losing a game but another is gifting mindless wkts by playing like headless chickens

So you think someone like haider who cant buy a run and is getting out for literally nothing these days is playing for the team?

How does that win a game? Thats anything but playing for the team
The way Haider is batting he will be replaced by someone else. But Rizwan will keep his place because stats back him. This is the problem. Other players will copy his selfish style of batting and no body will show any intent for the team rather busy in their own statpadding so they occupy their place in the team.
 
That Haider's logic by [MENTION=21715]Zaz[/MENTION] gives you an idea why Khushdil Shah and Shan Masood were playing slow in Lahore despite asking rate going up. This is how players cement their places in the team by scoring even if they are selfish.
 
Also the decision to give Rizwan MOTM is an absolute farce. It was a sluggish half century which was scored at well below the run rate required from the outset. Litton Das and Shakib scored the same runs at a strike rate of almost 50% higher against better bowlers than the ones faced by Rizwan.

If it had to be awarded to a Pakistani, it should’ve been given to Nawaz for his blinder. Scoring 45 off 20 isn’t easy especially when you have an opening duo who are doing everything to increase the run rate required because they’d rather play for their stats.

To back this up:

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Rizwan is nowhere near the top 5 in terms of impact.
 
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2 Bangla players with max impact. Did they win the match?

What matters is that our super opening combination spent more time at the crease (96 balls) and still scored less runs than Shakib and Litton despite having faced a much weaker bowling unit.

Lets not pretend that this is an one off. They do this every game and it's made T20 cricket played by Pakistan simply unwatchable because it's just not good enough.

Just like against the side's last encounter against India, only reason they won was because of Nawaz.
 
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What else Rizwan need to do to be removed as an opener from T20s? He is hurting Pakistan in every match now. Bring Sharjeel back as an opener in place of Rizwan. Move Rizwan to middle order.
 
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What else Rizwan need to do to be removed as an opener from T20s? He is hurting Pakistan in every match now. Bring Sharjeel back as an opener in place of Rizwan. Move Rizwan to middle order.
He needs to be refused entry
 
refusing to sit out even for a game even though his performance is suffering like crazy.

Nothing heroic about it, just idiotic.
 
Unfortunately other good teams have figured out Rizwan's weaknesses and bowl accordingly. He's regularly getting pinned down and goes out after wasting loads of deliveries.
 
Pakistan was losing this match thanks to its slow openers but may be able to win it thanks to aggressive play of its middle order. Will now they understand they need fast openers?
 
Rizwan wicket vs Zimbabwe

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Rizwan wicket vs Zimbabwe

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one of the worst T20 opener ever
 
Should be given a show cause notice. seems he has other priorities as a player since the WC is over for us Rizwan should given a forced leave to attend a jamaat
 
Fakhar e Alam when he was defending Rizwan and Babar quoting their averages and performances of late, Waqar fired back, Fakhar don't talk to me about averages, this is T20 Cricket, fine if you are talking about ODI or test matches, sure I will be impressed with someone's average, fair enough but in T20 Cricket I only care about strike rate.

Sure Babar and Rizwan have delivered on low slow subcontinent wickets but on tricky wickets like the one in Perth, you can't just blindly spend time at the wicket without going for runs. In these conditions you have to take risks and go for it and if you lose wickets in the process then so be it.

If you look at all the other teams like Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa and even India, the batsman come really hard at you in the first 6 overs, there is some serious anger in their stroke play but Pakistan is hell bent on still persisting with a slow, steady approach.
 
He made everyone a fool . Now the scam has been exposed.
 
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