Mohammad Rizwan "The criticism seems to be dying down a bit, so I must be doing something right"

[muqarrab]

Yes one of the highest scorer is world cups he’s played but he’s mentally weak according to a you. Let rizwan even perform in a proper format then start calling others.

Remember WC SF last yr?

 

[muqarrab]

Being ranked top in T20 and having ANY SORT of impact in the team are completely different things.

I have a theory.

If you drop Babar, Pakistan wont be able to make 170 runs in any game.

But if you drop TOP BATSMEN IN T20 IN THE WORLD, as you so eloquently put it, Pakistan would still end up with 160 plus everytime just as they do now.

Rizwan brings nothing EXCEPT stats to the table.

Pakistan are SO fearful of being bowled out for 120 that they look for a saviour.

And in drops the hero Rizwan who play with MINIMUM RISK, nudges around for 15 overs and hits his 50 and people think he is next best thing thing sliced bread.

I have repeatedly said, I AM WILLING to put ANY sort of WAGER on this.

However, Rizwan doesnt rest and his supporters keep buying into his mantra.

Give me 5 games.

It will be proven.

But it wont happen.

Because truth is ugly.

I agree with everything here.

 

[wrongun]

How do you criticise the opener to scores 80 at SR 155..?

He's done a great job. Precisely setting the rest of the team up to fire away and post a 180+ total.

There's no leaking of wickets, he's striking at a 180 total pace... so what are the rest of the bludgers doing with their roles?

Someone should really be able to come in and launch a few to strike at 170+ and get the total even higher, even if one or two players fail. At the very least the rest should be able to match his strike rate overall and get that 180...

If you want to restructure the team at this point, it should probably be the Babar opening role which is considered. Or demand a more aggressive approach/select a more aggressive power hitter in the middle. Fakhar seems the obvious choice for either to me, but I don't follow your domestic cricket closely.

The other option may be for Babar to adjust his game and go harder at the start. He'd need to swallow his ego and admit this. He's captain so has the wiggle room with selectors that if it doesn't work and he can't adjust, he can still move to the the quality middle order accumulator/#3 role if it's not working after 5 matches or so.

 

[Anis Shivani]

Nice comeback.

No logical rebuttal.

Not answering any of my essential points.

Just spit and bubbling and frothing.

I will explain more.

Rizwan has mastered the art of deception.

He sets himself in during first 6 overs with the occasional boundary.

Then overs 6 to 12 he nudges the ball around for singles and doubles while others around him fall. This begins the hero mode.

Overs 12 to 15, as the pressure rises and everyone around him falls, he continues to bat raising his bat in applause at a 50 from 35 to 40 balls.

At over 15 he realises, that if he doesnt put some sort of move, Pakistan will end up with less than 160.

He puts his foot down and ends up with 70 off 50 balls.

Saved the match for Pakistan.

Proof.

Often during chases of 200 plus, he can NO LONGER afford to consolidate and gets out for single digit scores.

In easier chases and in setting targets, he bats persistently the same way, never taking risks.

And the approach is attributed to Pakistam crashing if he fails.

The deception is so huge, that even you have bought into it.

It will take a massive paradigm shift to be exposed.

But i will be proven right.

All we need is patience.

You are exactly right. I have agreed with all your analyses of Rizwan/Pak batting recently. I believe that Rizwan is the biggest con job going on in the game at the moment, precisely for the reasons you emphasized, which anyone with the slightest detachment can see.

 

[wrongun]

The fact is, at the end of the match your main opener has used his quota of balls to score at a rate of 150.

The fact is, the rest of your team has not.

The answer is to improve the output of the rest of the team. Not to faff about with the parts which are working.

This is ultimate Pakistani fandom at play. Spend 25 years trying to find another opener after Amiir Sohail... revolving door of failures in between, for decades...

Next minit, find reliable opener who scores at decent enough pace... Fans- utterly confounded by this turn of events- demand his removal. Demand change to boom boom "six- mishit 2- out" player at top order so normal service can resume.

Rizwan is setting you up for 180+ totals. Tell the rest to bat accordingly and push the run rate. Absolutely nothing wrong with your opener scoring 50s at 140/150 SR. If that's happening regularly you say great, now how do we fix up the rest?

 

[Rana]

The fact is, at the end of the match your main opener has used his quota of balls to score at a rate of 150.

The fact is, the rest of your team has not.

The answer is to improve the output of the rest of the team. Not to faff about with the parts which are working.

This is ultimate Pakistani fandom at play. Spend 25 years trying to find another opener after Amiir Sohail... revolving door of failures in between, for decades...

Next minit, find reliable opener who scores at decent enough pace... Fans- utterly confounded by this turn of events- demand his removal. Demand change to boom boom "six- mishit 2- out" player at top order so normal service can resume.

Rizwan is setting you up for 180+ totals. Tell the rest to bat accordingly and push the run rate. Absolutely nothing wrong with your opener scoring 50s at 140/150 SR. If that's happening regularly you say great, now how do we fix up the rest?

He can do that at no.3 or 4 too

 

[wrongun]

He can do that at no.3 or 4 too

So can Babar. So keep your most reliable opener and experiment with the other spot.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

How do you criticise the opener to scores 80 at SR 155..?

He's done a great job. Precisely setting the rest of the team up to fire away and post a 180+ total.

There's no leaking of wickets, he's striking at a 180 total pace... so what are the rest of the bludgers doing with their roles?

Someone should really be able to come in and launch a few to strike at 170+ and get the total even higher, even if one or two players fail. At the very least the rest should be able to match his strike rate overall and get that 180...

If you want to restructure the team at this point, it should probably be the Babar opening role which is considered. Or demand a more aggressive approach/select a more aggressive power hitter in the middle. Fakhar seems the obvious choice for either to me, but I don't follow your domestic cricket closely.

The other option may be for Babar to adjust his game and go harder at the start. He'd need to swallow his ego and admit this. He's captain so has the wiggle room with selectors that if it doesn't work and he can't adjust, he can still move to the the quality middle order accumulator/#3 role if it's not working after 5 matches or so.

Wait, so you mean to say the entire team has to RESTRUCTURE around Rizwan opening the batting?

Why?

Because he is awesome?

Or is it because, we have no other place to accommodate the chosen one?

Or maybe just maybe, he has also fooled you into believing that without him Pakistan will crash to 120 all out.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

So can Babar. So keep your most reliable opener and experiment with the other spot.

Anyone can be reliable if they have to just take singles and hit an occasional 4 in first 10 overs.

 

[wrongun]

Wait, so you mean to say the entire team has to RESTRUCTURE around Rizwan opening the batting?

Why?

Because he is awesome?

Or is it because, we have no other place to accommodate the chosen one?

Or maybe just maybe, he has also fooled you into believing that without him Pakistan will crash to 120 all out.

No. That's not what I said.

I said your opener is working just fine. Tinker with the other parts who aren't doing their jobs.

 

[Zaz]

Wait, so you mean to say the entire team has to RESTRUCTURE around Rizwan opening the batting?

Why?

Because he is awesome?

Or is it because, we have no other place to accommodate the chosen one?

Or maybe just maybe, he has also fooled you into believing that without him Pakistan will crash to 120 all out.

Because what hes doing is working Hes scoring consistent runs at a good pace Hes setting the innings up nicely, when he does others play around him
When he gets out early others step up in his role

Its not rocket science Thats what you want from your opener to give you a good start and hes doing that

Wheres the problem? Why do you want to break up something good

 

[Anis Shivani]

This is where the disaster began and it's happening over and over again.
If I remember correctly this is when he claimed to be in the hospital the night before on the respirator or something. Next morning he plays slow and makes Pakistan lose the game. We all felt they were 30-40 runs short, and we were thinking, well he's sick, but then he shouldn't be playing at all. No, it wasn't because he was sick, it's how he is. He made us lose a winnable World Cup. And his heroics have been unbearable since then. I especially disliked that instance when he made a point of looking away from a woman reporter or something while talking to her. Keep your antiquated jahalat to yourself, dude, there's no place for it in sports.
Check out this scorecard, Hafeez never got a chance, Shadab, Imad Wasim didn't, it was just Rizwan all the way.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...akistan-2nd-semi-final-1273755/full-scorecard

 

[Energy]

Too many salty posters here trying to clutch at straws and rapidly changing spectacles to read SR etc to 6 decimal points. Rizwan, meanwhile is bossing the game.

Ita fun hearing new vocabulary though. Latest one being along the lines of 'if Rizwan claims to be No1 then he should score in 'all games at a SR of 195'. Warna mein naa maanu isko player...

 

[Zaz]

[MENTION=21215]srh[/MENTION]

Can you imagine Shan Masood getting into the England/Australia/South Africa team with the style of cricket he plays?

But in Pakistan, he was invited by the chief selector to score runs on phattas against significantly weakened attacks at no.4, and then drafted into the Pakistan squad. He is playing the same brand of cricket as Babar and Rizwan

The direction of white ball cricket in this country is bizarre and stubborn! It doesn’t want to improve!

So whats the alternatives? Which bradmans do we have on the bench or in domestics that would transform this team intona world beating 200 plus world cup winners?

The overweight hack sharjeel or fakhar who avges 22 opening at a similar strike rate to rizwan and babar?

Maybe you want asif to open You know the same asif that avges 15 over the last year Because he can his a 6 an innings before he gets out for another 5 balls 8

Its easy to criticise bro But suggesting alternatives isnt easy Not with this pakistan team which is low on skill and talent

You have two players who are heads n shoulders above the rest of the batting but theyre the problem and not the ones who look like tailenders holding the bat for the first time

 

[Kroll]

This is where the disaster began and it's happening over and over again.
If I remember correctly this is when he claimed to be in the hospital the night before on the respirator or something. Next morning he plays slow and makes Pakistan lose the game. We all felt they were 30-40 runs short, and we were thinking, well he's sick, but then he shouldn't be playing at all. No, it wasn't because he was sick, it's how he is. He made us lose a winnable World Cup. And his heroics have been unbearable since then. I especially disliked that instance when he made a point of looking away from a woman reporter or something while talking to her. Keep your antiquated jahalat to yourself, dude, there's no place for it in sports.
Check out this scorecard, Hafeez never got a chance, Shadab, Imad Wasim didn't, it was just Rizwan all the way.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...akistan-2nd-semi-final-1273755/full-scorecard

I don't recall this but he has to show he's a madhabi guy at every opportunity innit.

Reading namaz on the field of play, doing dua and all that is part of the piety Rizwan brand.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

No. That's not what I said.

I said your opener is working just fine. Tinker with the other parts who aren't doing their jobs.

He is working just fine?

He plays for himself first till he gets to his coveted 50.

After that he thinks about the team.

This would be okay, but the moment other batters try to bat Rizwan style of playing to "preserve their wicket" they get castigated.

Seems like "Rizwan has license to be who he likes" because he bats as an opener and the rest of the cows have to follow the team plan.

 

[wrongun]

He is working just fine?

He plays for himself first till he gets to his coveted 50.

After that he thinks about the team.

This would be okay, but the moment other batters try to bat Rizwan style of playing to "preserve their wicket" they get castigated.

Seems like "Rizwan has license to be who he likes" because he bats as an opener and the rest of the cows have to follow the team plan.

Opener has scored 80 at SR 155?

So it's Rizwan scoring at a 180 team total rate which is actually stopping your team from scoring 180 consistently? Fascinating theorem.

The opener scoring 80 off 50 is a part of the plan which is working.

Middle order players kicking off to boost the total late is not working.
Order flexibility to send in a pinch hitter instead of accumulator to boost total is not happening.

Solutions are to try a different middle order hitter; or to use a pinch hitter more flexibly if no wickets are falling and you have such a solid base and licence to hit; or to shift in a new more aggressive opener in place of Babar.

Moving your most succesful player would be the last thing to do.

I'd in fact say that Rizwan is playing the batting plan formula perfectly (big score, striking at 150) but the guys who are supposed to be doing the hitting, are either bottling it or not skilled enoug or not suited to it. The basic limited overs plan involves one opener batting long, to provide the platform for others to hit. Selfish or unselfish doesn't come into it- especially when his balls used for runs scored alla dds up to 180+ at the end of the day.

 

[ezhil]

Rizwan run scoring is consistent but flawed method ....other teams will easily workout if he continues this

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Opener has scored 80 at SR 155?

So it's Rizwan scoring at a 180 team total rate which is actually stopping your team from scoring 180 consistently? Fascinating theorem.

The opener scoring 80 off 50 is a part of the plan which is working.

Middle order players kicking off to boost the total late is not working.
Order flexibility to send in a pinch hitter instead of accumulator to boost total is not happening.

Solutions are to try a different middle order hitter; or to use a pinch hitter more flexibly if no wickets are falling and you have such a solid base and licence to hit; or to shift in a new more aggressive opener in place of Babar.

Moving your most succesful player would be the last thing to do.

I'd in fact say that Rizwan is playing the batting plan formula perfectly (big score, striking at 150) but the guys who are supposed to be doing the hitting, are either bottling it or not skilled enoug or not suited to it. The basic limited overs plan involves one opener batting long, to provide the platform for others to hit. Selfish or unselfish doesn't come into it- especially when his balls used for runs scored alla dds up to 180+ at the end of the day.

Again, this can easily all be proved or disproved.

Why don't Babar and Rizwan rest for 5 games and show everyone that if they don't play "the team is going to get 100 all out".

Why?

Because deep down everyone knows that whether Rizwan plays or not, Pakistan will invariably end up with the same total.

Sure, others will have to chip in with 20s and 30s and no one will score 70 off 50 balls but the final score achieved will remain same.

I don't wish to discuss this anymore.

It will take an entire "paradigm shift" to understand that Rizwan offers nothing in terms of "impact" and his runs are only good for statisticians.

Sort of like Chanderpaul for West Indies.

 

[Energy]

He is working just fine?

He plays for himself first till he gets to his coveted 50.

After that he thinks about the team.

This would be okay, but the moment other batters try to bat Rizwan style of playing to "preserve their wicket" they get castigated.

Seems like "Rizwan has license to be who he likes" because he bats as an opener and the rest of the cows have to follow the team plan.

I'll take a player who plays for himself and gets a 50 over someone who plays for the team and can't get 5.

 

[MenInG]

Opener has scored 80 at SR 155?

So it's Rizwan scoring at a 180 team total rate which is actually stopping your team from scoring 180 consistently? Fascinating theorem.

The opener scoring 80 off 50 is a part of the plan which is working.

Middle order players kicking off to boost the total late is not working.
Order flexibility to send in a pinch hitter instead of accumulator to boost total is not happening.

Solutions are to try a different middle order hitter; or to use a pinch hitter more flexibly if no wickets are falling and you have such a solid base and licence to hit; or to shift in a new more aggressive opener in place of Babar.

Moving your most succesful player would be the last thing to do.

I'd in fact say that Rizwan is playing the batting plan formula perfectly (big score, striking at 150) but the guys who are supposed to be doing the hitting, are either bottling it or not skilled enoug or not suited to it. The basic limited overs plan involves one opener batting long, to provide the platform for others to hit. Selfish or unselfish doesn't come into it- especially when his balls used for runs scored alla dds up to 180+ at the end of the day.

These are some basic issues some are grappling with!

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I'll take a player who plays for himself and gets a 50 over someone who plays for the team and can't get 5.

Yeah which is why you will see Pakistan lose all the big matches.

 

[Rana]

I'll take a player who plays for himself and gets a 50 over someone who plays for the team and can't get 5.

Because Rizwan fans


Are not Pakistan fans

 

[Energy]

Yeah which is why you will see Pakistan lose all the big matches.

Lulz. Some of the main matches Pakistan have win are because of Rizwan, sometimes solely.

 

[Energy]

Because Rizwan fans


Are not Pakistan fans

And you're a Pakistan fan? You come across as a clown vouching for weird theories and have affection toward mediocrity.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Lulz. Some of the main matches Pakistan have win are because of Rizwan, sometimes solely.

I am still waiting for the main match though.

T20 WC semifinal - match losing innings only Fakhar managed to help a bit.

Asia Cup - didn't win.

We will see this world Cup.

These T20 bilateral are ridiculous as no team sends their full-strength teams with the exception of Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

And you're a Pakistan fan? You come across as a clown vouching for weird theories and have affection toward mediocrity.

Tbh I don’t feel like supporting this Pakistan side with selfish individuals and selfish agendas at play

They are not representing the country with honesty even if they believe they are!

 

[MenInG]

Rizwan in presser

Rizwan said, “Good player hain Suryakumar Yadav. Jis tarah se woh khelte hain, mujhe bohot pasand he. Magar jaha tak cheezen he and different tarike se dekha jae kyunki middle order and top order mukhtalif cheezen hain. Kabhi No.1 ke liye socha nahi hain jo demand he Pakistan ki woh pura karne ki koshish kar raha hu. No.1 or Man of the Match, aise kuch cheeze hain jo negative main le jati hain. Par main sochta nehi hu.”

“Ha kabhi pitches aisa milta hain ki 60 balls pe 40 karna padta he but wohi Pakistan ka demand tha. Pichle saal Bangladesh series main bhi wohi tha, UAE me chale jae toh 145 banana mushkil he.”

 

[GudduBadmash]

Tbh I don’t feel like supporting this Pakistan side with selfish individuals and selfish agendas at play

They are not representing the country with honesty even if they believe they are!

New Zealand struggling to get anywhere close to the score we made yesterday. Nobody has batted remotely as well as Rizwan

About time you admit he performs everywhere on every pitch no matter how challenging.

Told you 160 is an average score here but you were calling the guy selfish for striking at 150 lol

 

[Mobashir]

Tbh I don’t feel like supporting this Pakistan side with selfish individuals and selfish agendas at play

They are not representing the country with honesty even if they believe they are!

Was telling you that you are going the Mamoon way, and here it is, you are no more a Pakistani supporter. Next step, witch is already well on it's course, you are supporting India.

Well done!

 

[Mobashir]

New Zealand struggling to get anywhere close to the score we made yesterday. Nobody has batted remotely as well as Rizwan

About time you admit he performs everywhere on every pitch no matter how challenging.

Told you 160 is an average score here but you were calling the guy selfish for striking at 150 lol

His lack of logic only applys to Pakistani batters. Other who bat at a lower SR play for the team so it's ok.

 

[srh]

I thought Pakistan cannot survive without him as per his some fans here

 

[Rana]

Was telling you that you are going the Mamoon way, and here it is, you are no more a Pakistani supporter. Next step, witch is already well on it's course, you are supporting India.

Well done!

You know what, if India want to play the game in the right way and are willing to make the sacrifices required to play the game as it should be played…best of luck to them. They will get my appreciation.

If we want to be stubborn in doing it the wrong way, I cannot help but not support it.

 

[Rana]

His lack of logic only applys to Pakistani batters. Other who bat at a lower SR play for the team so it's ok.

You are wrong Mobashir. Read the match thread. I was disgusted with the way Conway batted in the powerplay. NZ deserved to lose today because they batted like Pakistan!

 

[Rana]

New Zealand struggling to get anywhere close to the score we made yesterday. Nobody has batted remotely as well as Rizwan

About time you admit he performs everywhere on every pitch no matter how challenging.

Told you 160 is an average score here but you were calling the guy selfish for striking at 150 lol

What is your definition of ‘performance’? Chapman performed phenomenally today even though he scored the same amount of runs as Conway and Kane, who batted poorly in comparison! However, Conway and Kane knew to get out or do their best to hit out knowing they had 8-9 wickets in the hut. They won’t just carry on and drag the team down without causing much damage.

Yes your favourite does great with numbers but how much is his team benefitting? Rizwan scored a 50 in the Asia cup final and left the crease with the required rr at 16-17….is that performance?

 

[Rana]

I thought Pakistan cannot survive without him as per his some fans here

I hope he is rested now until the final of this tri series

Would really like to see us not survive without him.

 

[Mobashir]

You know what, if India want to play the game in the right way and are willing to make the sacrifices required to play the game as it should be played…best of luck to them. They will get my appreciation.

If we want to be stubborn in doing it the wrong way, I cannot help but not support it.

The numbers tells other stories and then you make stories about Babar playing for himself with a SR of around 136 against good teams where as Indians with lower SR play for the team so it's fine lol.
You just hate Babar and Rizwan. I am myself not a fan of Rizwan and don't like his style of playing at all but I am not stubborn and I can see he is winning matches for the team. He has played the odd criminal innings like he did in the final of the Asia cup, otherwise he has played very well in recent times.

 

[Zaz]

What is your definition of ‘performance’? Chapman performed phenomenally today even though he scored the same amount of runs as Conway and Kane, who batted poorly in comparison! However, Conway and Kane knew to get out or do their best to hit out knowing they had 8-9 wickets in the hut. They won’t just carry on and drag the team down without causing much damage.

Yes your favourite does great with numbers but how much is his team benefitting? Rizwan scored a 50 in the Asia cup final and left the crease with the required rr at 16-17….is that performance?

Are you asleep when babar and riz chase down 200 or beat india twice in the last yr or when babar scores tons and wins games

 

[Rana]

Are you asleep when babar and riz chase down 200 or beat india twice in the last yr or when babar scores tons and wins games

Im fully awake and I am fully aware of the level of opposition and the contribution of all players.

We don’t win games because of Babar and Rizwan. Has it ever occurred to you how strong we have been as a bowling unit since the emergence of Harris Rauf? Or the fact that we can now bank on Shadab Khan to bowl a decent spell?

 

[Zaz]

Oh by the way Rizzy has a 66% win ratio in t20s since he started to open

Thats hows hes benefiting the team

 

[Rana]

Oh by the way Rizzy has a 66% win ratio in t20s since he started to open

Thats hows hes benefiting the team

We should be the best T20i side in the world. Also Babar is 6 losses away from becoming the most defeated captain in Pakistan history

 

[Zaz]

We should be the best T20i side in the world. Also Babar is 6 losses away from becoming the most defeated captain in Pakistan history

So unless theyre the best side in the world You will continue to criticise the openers Makes great sense

If they had a decent middle order maybe they would become no1 but at mo the openers are not the problem

 

[Rana]

So unless theyre the best side in the world You will continue to criticise the openers Makes great sense

If they had a decent middle order maybe they would become no1 but at mo the openers are not the problem

So what do you want me to do? Not criticise them in order to do things that the best teams are doing?

 

[Zaz]

We should be the best T20i side in the world. Also Babar is 6 losses away from becoming the most defeated captain in Pakistan history

He also has the most wins as pakistan captain and most matches

You do know babar has a better win % than the likes of dhoni, morgan, finch, williamson and kohli?

 

[Zaz]

So what do you want me to do? Not criticise them in order to do things that the best teams are doing?

And what are the best teams doing? Pakistan doesny have gayles, warners, sharmas sat on the bench

I dont understand why its so difficult for you to comprehend this fact

 

[Rana]

And what are the best teams doing? Pakistan doesny have gayles, warners, sharmas sat on the bench

I dont understand why its so difficult for you to comprehend this fact

They don’t have them sitting on the bench because they will never let anyone become the Gayle’s, Warners etc

Everything in Pakistan can change but our openers who themselves are middle order batsmen and not specialist openers will never change

 

[Zaz]

They don’t have them sitting on the bench because they will never let anyone become the Gayle’s, Warners etc

Everything in Pakistan can change but our openers who themselves are middle order batsmen and not specialist openers will never change

Whether they were middle order bats or tail enders it doesnt matter

They are opening and doing a good job of it Thats all that matters performances and team results

 

[hitthestump]

Yeah which is why you will see Pakistan lose all the big matches.

Matches against India are of course training ground exercises.

 

[shamaan]

Rizwan run scoring is consistent but flawed method ....other teams will easily workout if he continues this

So how come they ain't worked it out regarding Babar ?

 

[Mamoon]

This is where the disaster began and it's happening over and over again.
If I remember correctly this is when he claimed to be in the hospital the night before on the respirator or something. Next morning he plays slow and makes Pakistan lose the game. We all felt they were 30-40 runs short, and we were thinking, well he's sick, but then he shouldn't be playing at all. No, it wasn't because he was sick, it's how he is. He made us lose a winnable World Cup. And his heroics have been unbearable since then. I especially disliked that instance when he made a point of looking away from a woman reporter or something while talking to her. Keep your antiquated jahalat to yourself, dude, there's no place for it in sports.
Check out this scorecard, Hafeez never got a chance, Shadab, Imad Wasim didn't, it was just Rizwan all the way.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...akistan-2nd-semi-final-1273755/full-scorecard

I don't recall this but he has to show he's a madhabi guy at every opportunity innit.

Reading namaz on the field of play, doing dua and all that is part of the piety Rizwan brand.

Totally agree with this.

Rizwan has become a gimmick. The way he carries himself on and off the field doesn’t seem genuine.

I admired him a lot. He has been better than Sarfraz for a long time and should have had his chance earlier but as mentioned, he has been insufferable ever since he became a household name.

In addition to the above he is always exaggerating on the pitch and trying to create this impression that he is playing through a lot of pain and agony. Just cut it out.

 

[Mamoon]

So how come they ain't worked it out regarding Babar ?

That is because Babar has shots on both sides of the wicket. He is a weak hitter but he can get boundaries and rotate the strike no matter the line and length.

Rizwan is a leg-side merchant. He is always trying to hit everything through square leg and midwicket region.

He still leaves a massive gap between bat and pad when playing through mid-off and extra-cover and it is something that Yousuf has not been able to rectify even though he played these shots to perfection.

Get a packed off-side field bowl on the fourth and fifth stump and his SR will not go above 100. I don’t think you can get such detailed stats, but if you compare his SR to deliveries on the off-side and to deliveries on the leg-side, you will see a huge disparity.

This is why he takes 40 balls to get to his 50. He keeps waiting for the bowler to drift to his pads and makes several fail attempts at hitting through the off-side until he finally connects one.

 

[Kroll]

This is where the disaster began and it's happening over and over again.
If I remember correctly this is when he claimed to be in the hospital the night before on the respirator or something. Next morning he plays slow and makes Pakistan lose the game. We all felt they were 30-40 runs short, and we were thinking, well he's sick, but then he shouldn't be playing at all. No, it wasn't because he was sick, it's how he is. He made us lose a winnable World Cup. And his heroics have been unbearable since then. I especially disliked that instance when he made a point of looking away from a woman reporter or something while talking to her. Keep your antiquated jahalat to yourself, dude, there's no place for it in sports.
Check out this scorecard, Hafeez never got a chance, Shadab, Imad Wasim didn't, it was just Rizwan all the way.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...akistan-2nd-semi-final-1273755/full-scorecard

Totally agree with this.

Rizwan has become a gimmick. The way he carries himself on and off the field doesn’t seem genuine.

I admired him a lot. He has been better than Sarfraz for a long time and should have had his chance earlier but as mentioned, he has been insufferable ever since he became a household name.

In addition to the above he is always exaggerating on the pitch and trying to create this impression that he is playing through a lot of pain and agony. Just cut it out.

[MENTION=139625]Anis Shivani[/MENTION] looked at that scorecard again, and that is shocking. Disciplinary proceedings should have been opened up after that shameful stat padding performance.

The openers consumed 72% of the total inns for a combined SR of 123, yes 123! Utterly shameful and there was only going to be one outcome - DEFEAT!

Had any of the likes Hafeez or Shadab came earlier to support Fakhar, then we could have put up a competitive total.

Of course, the apologists will come on to say Riz and Babar had to bat the way they did to stop a 'batting collapse'.

 

[gazza619]

Because Rizwan fans


Are not Pakistan fans

Yeah the true Pakistan fans will always want Asif Ali to be the captain.

 

[Rana]

Yeah the true Pakistan fans will always want Asif Ali to be the captain.

You know, outside of this forum, I wouldn’t bet against it in the 200m+ population of Pakistan

 

[zaidihusain]

[MENTION=139625]Anis Shivani[/MENTION] looked at that scorecard again, and that is shocking. Disciplinary proceedings should have been opened up after that shameful stat padding performance.

The openers consumed 72% of the total inns for a combined SR of 123, yes 123! Utterly shameful and there was only going to be one outcome - DEFEAT!

Had any of the likes Hafeez or Shadab came earlier to support Fakhar, then we could have put up a competitive total.

Of course, the apologists will come on to say Riz and Babar had to bat the way they did to stop a 'batting collapse'.

Totally agree. Top 3 in semi final played 118 out of total 120 balls. Babar also played slow but at least he got out in 10th over and Fakhar managed to recover his SR in last 2-3 overs. However, Rizwan who opened the innings got out in 18th over after playing at an extremely poor SR specially considering the fact that Hafeez, Malik & Asif were there to follow. I am still not able to fathom why Rizwan was accumulating in that whole inning. Rizwan's game is more suitable for 50 over match if he is allowed to open but in T20s he can win few games occasionally but not suitable for knockout matches or when Pak has to set a big total.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan batter Mohammad Rizwan has been crowned the ICC Men's Player of the Month for September 2022 after some stellar performances.

Rizwan beat competition from ace Indian spinner Axar Patel and emerging Australian all-rounder Cameron Green, who both had a month to remember.

Rizwan was in stunning form in September, churning out some sizzling performances in T20Is. The No.1 T20I batter in the MRF Tyres ICC Men's Player Rankings continued his domination in the shortest format of the game and put his name on the shortlist for the Player of the Month for September.

On winning the award, an elated Rizwan said: "I would like to thank Almighty Allah and express my heartfelt delight to all that enabled me to achieve this award.

"I want to give my high appreciation to all my teammates as they made things easy for me. These achievements boost your confidence. I am happy with my performance and I would like to take this momentum forward in Australia.

"I would like to dedicate this award to the people in Pakistan who are affected by the floods and climate change. Hopefully this will bring smiles on their faces."

In the 10 games that he played last month, Rizwan scored seven fifties. His month began with two scores of 70+ against Hong Kong and India in the Asia Cup. He finished the tournament with yet another fifty and as the leading run-scorer but Pakistan fell short on the final hurdle.

In the first five T20Is of the seven-match series against England, he registered four scores of 60+ to help his side take a 3-2 lead. Despite playing one less game, he still finished the series as the highest run-getter with 316 runs at an average of 63.20 while going at 138.60.

 

[MenInG]

Mohammad Rizwan giving a speech in Christchurch mosque

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[DeadlyVenom]

Riz obviously draws a lot of strength from his faith, and is a role model to many, but I find the concept of him going to do a talk in a masjid during a cricket tour a bit odd.

 

[Rana]

Riz obviously draws a lot of strength from his faith, and is a role model to many, but I find the concept of him going to do a talk in a masjid during a cricket tour a bit odd.

Why?! He is entitled to do what he wants. He is totally allowed to express his religious views whenever and wherever he wants. What’s your issue with it?

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=51465]DeadlyVenom[/MENTION]

Is this your version of what it means to be “educated”

Questioning a person expressing his religious views in a mosque???!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

[MENTION=51465]DeadlyVenom[/MENTION]

Is this your version of what it means to be “educated”

Questioning a person expressing his religious views in a mosque???!

I haven't used the words educated or undereducated. They are words you used so dont judge me by your yardstick.

Secondly, I haven't questioned it, asked him to stop, nor have had any issues with him doing it.

If you want to engage in a non hysterical way then I can let you know what I find odd about it.

 

[Kroll]

Mohammad Rizwan giving a speech in Christchurch mosque

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Is this guy a maulvi or Pheer bhai on tour or an international cricketer on tour? Even Iftikhar looking bored.

 

[Rana]

I haven't used the words educated or undereducated. They are words you used so dont judge me by your yardstick.

Secondly, I haven't questioned it, asked him to stop, nor have had any issues with him doing it.

If you want to engage in a non hysterical way then I can let you know what I find odd about it.

Go on lets hear what you have to say…

He is a professional cricketer on an overseas tour, invited to a mosque do deliver a talk. He must have acquired permission by his management to attend this talk. Totally within the realms of professionalism.

Where would you rather him be? Like the other boys who are probably out and about visiting nightclubs and meeting girls? So what if he delivers a talk in a mosque! This isn’t something new to him either. He clearly loves his religious views and he was always this religious before he was a household name, the evidence is in his interview when Imad Wasim kept him out of the KK side and he said he believes in the Will of God.

So it’s not odd at all and he hasn’t gone out of his or the PCB’s way to do this talk! Clearly you have personal issues with him because you want to criticise him for non cricketing views! And also abuse those who have cricketing alternative views to yours!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Go on lets hear what you have to say…

He is a professional cricketer on an overseas tour, invited to a mosque do deliver a talk. He must have acquired permission by his management to attend this talk. Totally within the realms of professionalism.

Where would you rather him be? Like the other boys who are probably out and about visiting nightclubs and meeting girls? So what if he delivers a talk in a mosque! This isn’t something new to him either. He clearly loves his religious views and he was always this religious before he was a household name, the evidence is in his interview when Imad Wasim kept him out of the KK side and he said he believes in the Will of God.

So it’s not odd at all and he hasn’t gone out of his or the PCB’s way to do this talk! Clearly you have personal issues with him because you want to criticise him for non cricketing views! And also abuse those who have cricketing alternative views to yours!

You are still being hysterical and using phrases like professionalism, nightclubs, personal issues etc that don't have anything to do with my post or the wider topic.

You have once again jumped the gun and assumed an answer for some reason.

When the hysteria is removed from your reply I can try to give you my perspective.

 

[Coolcapri]

Mohammad Rizwan giving a speech in Christchurch mosque

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MashaAllah

 

[MenInG]

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Is this guy a maulvi or Pheer bhai on tour or an international cricketer on tour? Even Iftikhar looking bored.

Someone who believes in his religion. Nothing more.

 

[Kroll]

Someone who believes in his religion. Nothing more.

I understand, this is okay if doing in his own personal time. But as he is touring with Pak national side, I'm not convinced this should be done on tour time and representing the team. He is a player first and foremost not a preacher.

Other issues with this, is Pak national team only for Sunni Muslims? Pak team should be open for all regardless of religion or beliefs.

I know there is a problem with this in practice but the national side shouldn't be used as a vehicle for religiosity.

 

[in_cutter]

This is disgusting. Not surprising though.

https://twitter.com/abhijitmajumder/status/1579435563111047168?s=46&t=F_8vvlBGxMlCIWTevyIoZg

 

[in_cutter]

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Is this guy a maulvi or Pheer bhai on tour or an international cricketer on tour? Even Iftikhar looking bored.

So giving speeches is exclusive to maulvis is it??

 

[Kroll]

So giving speeches is exclusive to maulvis is it??

Is Pakistan cricket team a vehicle for preaching about religion? Or should it be inclusive regardless which religion a player is?

I'm not sure if this is the same mosque where the terrible tragedy happened but opportunity for the players to show solidarity with the Christchurch Muslim community and provide donations instead if not already done so.

 

[MenInG]

Is Pakistan cricket team a vehicle for preaching about religion? Or should it be inclusive regardless which religion a player is?

I'm not sure if this is the same mosque where the terrible tragedy happened but opportunity for the players to show solidarity with the Christchurch Muslim community and provide donations instead if not already done so.

Is he representing the Pakistan cricket team in that video?

I think this Riz Hate thing has gone to some other new level now.

 

[in_cutter]

So giving speeches is exclusive to maulvis is it??

Ah moving goal posts since you could not answer my question.

No Pak cricket ia not a vehicle for promoting religion. But Riz has every right to say what he wants. I don’t know why you are so pressed on this. Is it affecting your life in any way??

 

[Kroll]

Ah moving goal posts since you could not answer my question.

No Pak cricket ia not a vehicle for promoting religion. But Riz has every right to say what he wants. I don’t know why you are so pressed on this. Is it affecting your life in any way??

Of course not, but there is a time and place for it. I'm not pressed just stating that it may not be viewed
as appropriate a national player on duty giving religious sermons.

And yes, the pond life on Twitter, they have nothing better to do.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It's beyond pathetic when anyone criticizes Rizwan for speaking in the Masjid in NZ.

Prayers are a religious compulsion for all Muslims. If you think a cricketer should stop praying while on a tour because it interferes with his "performance", it's laughable.

The people in charge clearly respected him enough to ask him to speak there. And he most definitely went there for a "compulsory Jummah prayer" where he delivered a talk in front of the people. There's nothing more to it.

Any one who criticizes him for being a "molvi" is blatantly disrespecting the whole religion and the country.

 

[Kroll]

Is he representing the Pakistan cricket team in that video?

I think this Riz Hate thing has gone to some other new level now.

No, but speaking objectively it may not be viewed as such. Definitely not a hater of Riz but he's taking things to new levels of his own.

 

[in_cutter]

Of course not, but there is a time and place for it. I'm not pressed just stating that it may not be viewed
as appropriate a national player on duty giving religious sermons.

And yes, the pond life on Twitter, they have nothing better to do.

..a mosque is not a time and a place?

 

[Kroll]

..a mosque is not a time and a place?

You know what I mean in terms of being on duty. But okay I was just speaking objectively on the matter, if he wants to give religious sermons and preach, fair dos if everyone is satisfied with it.

 

[Forum363]

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Is this guy a maulvi or Pheer bhai on tour or an international cricketer on tour? Even Iftikhar looking bored.

So what exactly are international cricketers allowed to do on tour?

Can they go an play golf? Can they visit an orphanage? Can they give a talk in a school? Clearly you have strong views about where the line is. Please explain what's on the allowed side. Or what the metrics are to decide it.

 

[Kroll]

So what exactly are international cricketers allowed to do on tour?

Can they go an play golf? Can they visit an orphanage? Can they give a talk in a school? Clearly you have strong views about where the line is. Please explain what's on the allowed side. Or what the metrics are to decide it.

Well religion is a private and personal matter compared to those options you have listed. But as I said, it doesn't matter what I have to say on the matter, my views on a forum are irrelevant so need to get worked up.

I was just trying to give an objective take on things because I don't see a Pakistan cricket tour as a vehicle to be preaching. The team should be seen as welcoming and inclusive to all.

Riz has form in bringing religion and his piety brand to the field of play all the time, maybe its just a way to add to his legend but if people are happy and delighted so be it, I have nothing more to add.

 

[MenInG]

If PCB had sent him to the mosque, that would be something to worry

But he goes on a personal mission (maybe asked to do), someone (not the PCB) videos him and its on social media.

That's all there is to it.