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[VIDEO] Mohammad Rizwan becomes the first Pakistani batter to be forced retired out in T20 cricket

Did Melbourne Renegades made the right call by retiring out Mohammad Rizwan in BBL 15 match?

  • Yes, Melbourne Renegades took right decision

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  • No, this is not the way to treat an international star

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sweep_shot said:
Why is he unhappy? There have been a few similar cases recently. Nic Maddison was also retired out in BBL recently.

West Indies also did the same with Roston Chase.

Nothing wrong with it. Team comes first always.
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None of those other players are treated as untouchable superstars by their fans and media.

Do you think if Kohli was retired out in similar circumstances, it wouldn't cause controversy?

I am not comparing Rizwan and Kohli in terms of performance but the star status they enjoy in their respective country and media.
 
If naak katwana was an incident, this gives me flashbacks to Sarfraz’s ending days in shorter formats. His outbursts to Usman Shinwari Karahi and Hafeez making a fool out of him PSL was some next level entertainment. I still remember that LQ vs QG match in the context of Hafeez Sarfraz beef. Hafeez pounded QG to kingdom come while sarfraz was hyperventilating to the degree that the sky was going to fall down. Rizzu symonds and Babar are going through regular episodes of humiliation. An omen for days to come.
 
Slim said:
Cobra and know it all are on Saya’s payroll. Also cobra is from karachi, some of the people from there are naturally good at race card and victim card. No diss to all of people in karachi.
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I’m kind of surprised about Raouf, some of his technical analysis recently about bowling actions etc has been good and up until now, I personally hadn’t seen any political or biased selection analysis from him (maybe he did and I missed it). I actually thought, this is good, I want to see ex Pakistani players show a good understanding of the game and refrain from getting involved in all the nonsense. But as usual they can’t help themselves.

Rashid Latif - I really don’t know what’s happened to him, he was decent a few years ago. He was another one that tried to stick to analysis and I respected him for it despite not agreeing with everything he said. In the last couple of years it’s just been a lot of masala nonsense.

And I don’t think your comment about karachiites is warranted, victim mentality is there from most corners of Pakistani society.
 
@daytrader @Local.Dada @Major

You guys are slightly more educated and reasonable to discuss with unlike the usual Rizwan fan….


So tell me, how does Rizwan make Pakistan’s team without opening the innings? Even if you try to fit him in as an opener, isn’t that reverting back to the entire issue to remove him in the first place?

Imad Wasim was right wasn’t he?
 
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End of the day, these are franchises - big money riding on each decision - they will do what the franchise owner/coaches think is suitable for the situation - no matter who the player. And i feel they can do this easier in franchisee cricket than in real international cricket. lower pressure higher gains.

Rizwan was'nt the first, i remember Tilak was once retired out like this in IPL and once i was flicking channels and from a either saft20 leage or england t20 league or even maybe the emirates T20 league -watching Carlos braitwhaite doing the same.
 
Rana said:
@daytrader @Local.Dada @Major

You guys are slightly more educated and reasonable to discuss with unlike the usual Rizwan fan….


So tell me, how does Rizwan make Pakistan’s team without opening the innings? Even if you try to fit him in as an opener, isn’t that reverting back to the entire issue to remove him in the first place?

Imad Wasim was right wasn’t he?
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Imad was wrong. You cant compare 2018 with 2026. Rizwan proved himself in 2021.

In todays cricket, Rizwan has no space. He did not further improve, but regressed. We need a batter at no.5 and no.6 and if you cant play in that position and want to use seniority card to book an opening slot as you can take your time, than you are not good enough for t20 anymore.

Rizwan should had taken 2025 to practice and play at lower order as he is not needed in upper order. The keeping slot is open all he had to do was prove himself at lower order and he would walk back if he scored at 150+ strike rate. Even in the PSL, if he did that he can come back.

But the problem is, he wont do that. His t20 career is over.
 
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Major said:
Imad was wrong. You cant compare 2018 with 2026. Rizwan proved himself in 2021.
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Rizwan proved himself how? He was scoring a run a ball in the powerplay throughout 2021 too. Should I share examples of his innings against Scotland+Namibia and then the Australian SF?

How do you prove yourself by consistently scoring 30 off 30 in the first 10 overs????
 
Rana said:
Rizwan proved himself how? He was scoring a run a ball in the powerplay throughout 2021 too. Should I share examples of his innings against Scotland+Namibia and then the Australian SF?

How do you prove yourself by consistently scoring 30 off 30 in the first 10 overs????
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Rizwan is a manifestation of the acceptance phase for the Dot Ballerz, this is perfectly normal in their deranged realm.
 
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Rana said:
@daytrader first hiding in the super over,

Now this? What do you have to say this time?
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I don't care much for the retired hurt but it's being hyped up as epic baizti for Pak so at this point I'm ashamed as a Pak fan. I was actually getting excited to see Riz batting out of his comfort zone and getting a chance in the slog overs. He was set and could've done better than the 15 runs they managed after retiring him out.

Renegades should've dropped him in the first place if they were going to do this. However they're confused about their over all strategy and this reflects in their results.
 
BouncerGuy said:
He was going slow, captain removed him... Nothing wrong here.. Nobody has to feel offended by this thing.

People are making fun of it because it is rizwan? Or what??
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I didn't get a chance to hear the captains comments after the match. Did they provide any insight into their line of thinking? IMO Riz fulfilled his anchor role as wickets were falling around him. The Renegades top order hitters were all back in the pavilion by the middle of the innings and at one point looked like they would get all out with overs remaining. They were 8 out by the end of the innings.
 
Rana said:
@daytrader @Local.Dada @Major

You guys are slightly more educated and reasonable to discuss with unlike the usual Rizwan fan….


So tell me, how does Rizwan make Pakistan’s team without opening the innings? Even if you try to fit him in as an opener, isn’t that reverting back to the entire issue to remove him in the first place?

Imad Wasim was right wasn’t he?
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Imad Wasim..... didn't he face the same scenario in the Hundred? He was retired out in the slog overs as well. And Imad has a reputation of being a better hitter than Rizwan.

My observations about Rizwan's stint in the BBL:

1. Rizwan is the preferred wicket keeper even when other international stars like Tim Seifert are playing the same XI. So compared to Chadwick Walton or any of Pak's wicket keepers, Rizwan is miles ahead as a keeper. For this alone he should make any of our XIs.
2. We can best utilize him by opening the innings with him. If that doesn't work, I would like to see his as a floating anchor. If a couple of quick wickets fall, we send in Rizwan. If wickets don't drop, he doesn't get to bat. Kind of like how Sarfraz was playing down the order during his last few years.
3. He's getting older and performances are waning. This is natural. I think we had this conversation a few years ago.
 
daytrader said:
2. We can best utilize him by opening the innings with him. If that doesn't work, I would like to see his as a floating anchor. If a couple of quick wickets fall, we send in Rizwan. If wickets don't drop, he doesn't get to bat. Kind of like how Sarfraz was playing down the order during his last few years.
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The best way to utilise him is by keeping him far away from T20.

That’s the reality.

That’s the truth.
 
Retiring out somebody is something we have seen before... We have seen a well-set batter retiring himself out for the next batter. The problem is, it is rizwan. That is the only issue people have with this whole drama, and that is why we are seeing this bhangra.
 
Kamran Akmal shared his two bits on infamous "retired out" incident involving Mohammad Rizwan in BBL 2025-26:
  • "I have been saying for three or four years that the way he is playing will make the future very difficult. Modern-day cricket is moving at a rapid pace, and you must adapt."
    "It should not have happened to our best player and the Pakistan captain, but he has, in a sense, given them a reason to make that call."
    "While these moves are based on the match situation, Rizwan needs to consider his future path."
 
emranabbas said:
Big Bash: 'Return home' - Pakistan's Mohammad Rizwan asked to 'leave' BBL after 'retired out' call

Embarrassing stuff

@Rana

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Big Bash: 'Return home' - Pakistan's Mohammad Rizwan asked to 'leave' BBL after 'retired out' call | Cricket News - The Times of India

Cricket News: Pakistan wicketkeeper-batter Mohammad Rizwan found himself at the centre of a debate after he was asked to retire out during a Big Bash League (BBL) m.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com timesofindia.indiatimes.com
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There's no proof that he's returning home. Even the article doesn't mention that.

It's just Indian Propaganda news sites making use of clickbait. Be careful of their propaganda stuff
 
daytrader said:
I didn't get a chance to hear the captains comments after the match. Did they provide any insight into their line of thinking? IMO Riz fulfilled his anchor role as wickets were falling around him. The Renegades top order hitters were all back in the pavilion by the middle of the innings and at one point looked like they would get all out with overs remaining. They were 8 out by the end of the innings.
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Bro there is different between anchors that stabilise the ship, and Rizwan who seems to sink the ship now.

Time to move on from him.
 
emranabbas said:
Big Bash: 'Return home' - Pakistan's Mohammad Rizwan asked to 'leave' BBL after 'retired out' call

Embarrassing stuff

@Rana

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Big Bash: 'Return home' - Pakistan's Mohammad Rizwan asked to 'leave' BBL after 'retired out' call | Cricket News - The Times of India

Cricket News: Pakistan wicketkeeper-batter Mohammad Rizwan found himself at the centre of a debate after he was asked to retire out during a Big Bash League (BBL) m.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com timesofindia.indiatimes.com
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His mouthpiece journo claimed Sutherland and Management personally apologised to Rizwan. He also said Rizwan expressed his anger towards them so it’s not the way it’s being reported how he apparently took it on the chin happily.

I don’t think Rizwan can just come back because I personally think that his contract/agreement is tied with Babar Azam (possibly Shaheen too) through their agency. So if he leaves (breaching his contract) then cricket Australia can take the agency to court or not pay up to them (which includes Babar’s fee).

On top of it, it will totally destroy the relationship between PCB and CA which has become quite good in the recent years. PCB needs its allies from amongst the Big 3. If Rizwan pulls a move like this, im pretty sure that’s the end of his ODI and Test career too. Most likely the PCB will ensure he isn’t picked in the PSL and blacklist him from future NOC’s.

He’s got to simply take it on the chin as a lot of things are at stake here besides his personal ego.
 
gazza619 said:
What an exaggerated and unnecessary thread lol. Many batters have been tactically retired out in the history of the game. Riz is a team man. Retiring early was a bad move but he did it for the team’s cause
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Joke of the week goes to this guy. Whilst I don't approve of tarring everyone with the same brush, you don't help your cause when your people are mocked for your level of intellect.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Yep Riz and Babar should be replaced by the tailenders pretending to be batters in our u19 team currently.

Who is w00ting for Ahmed Hasan or Ali Baloch in place of Babar Azam in Pak T20 team?
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And you expect to be taken seriously when you make claims like "Ubaid Shah has already surpassed Steve Harmison"?
 
“Guessing this how it probably played out. Renegades captain saying in super chill Aussies accent “sorry mate, we had to make change coz the run rate was so low”

Rizwan takes that as a proper apology and then tells his journalist buddies about it”


@topspin the Renegades apology to Rizwan :ROFLMAO:
 
topspin said:
@Raja Ishtiaq

After Rizwan's humiliation, I warned you not to parade around here with that choice of display pic. Mediocre cricketer with magenta coloured top in a non-cricket setting. But you somehow thought this was a flex?
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Has something happened today? BBL perhaps? I have already told you kids that I don't have time for these mickey mouse leagues.

When you have a busy career where you are preparing for trial hearings, meeting court deadlines, negotiating settlements etc. you don't have time to check who batted with a good SR and who batted too slow
:facepalm

I would leave that to velle log like you and @Rana

And maybe a good idea not to inspect another man's photograph so closely. It's a bit strange.
 
topspin said:
Do you believe that they apologised? I wouldn’t trust any Pakistan source.
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I think they probably said it to him in a bit of a casual tone and he interpreted it in his little mind as a formal apology..

“Sorry about that mate, it’s just how the game goes sometimes. We know you must have felt a bit hard done by there.”

Something along those lines. His PR then would use it straight away to face save for Rizwan who clearly has been seriously damaged here besides the embarrassment.

If you remember, this guy did a press conference in which he claimed that he himself went to the chief selector or coach and asked to be dropped from the Test side when Sarfaraz was going to come back….although it had become abundantly clear that Rizwan had to be dropped because of consistent poor performances.

There is also a ITK journalist who recently said that Rizwan and his management get very annoyed whenever news about him being sacked from captaincy is leaked to the media. This most likely is because his management/pr can’t put the spin on it the way they want before it happens, like they can’t give him the way out such as claiming he wants to step down or is thinking about focusing on his batting only etc.
 
What a terrible batsman. Way past his prime days. Reflexes have slowed down. Can’t connect anything. Pathetic and total waste of balls. But excellent time to join local neighborhood tapeball league.
 
That tweet in the apparent apology by the Australian duo is so cringe. One feels ashamed on the behalf of the guy who tweeted it. I mean exactly how stupid, how uneducated, how uncultured can you get in assuming how stupidi other people are?
 
Mohammad Wasim sleaking during a TV show:

“In league cricket, this keeps happening. The reason we are talking about these situations is: at that time, which of your best players is present inside? Since this option came, the team has started using it, making changes according to requirements. Whatever the requirement is ahead, however many runs are needed, they should play accordingly. If the player you sent is not suitable, then you can change him.”

“I don’t think there is any need to bring ego into this. Yes, for the batter, it means he has to realize: “I need to improve certain things.” The best utilization of Babar and Rizwan is in the Powerplay, and when they bat for too long, it actually harms the team. So, the same situation has come again: if you want a finisher, whether Mohammad Rizwan or Babar Azam is in that situation or any other player, at the end, you need someone to finish and score 35-40 runs, and if these players are not suitable for this, then calling him in is fine.”

"Hesson’s thinking seems to be: that is, sending the player according to the demand of the game. Whether he is doing it right or wrong, that’s a question mark. And the bigger question is: in the World Cup, what approach will we go with? Because you cannot go with too many uncertainties.”
 
@Rana how is this new kid Nafay? If he is any good by all means pick him over Rizwan. The rest “socha na bhi mat” (for the good of Pak team)
 
Rizwan can be used as a floater like how Badrinath was used by MSD in CSK successfully as a floater by promoting him during collapse/crisis. His keeping skills, along with his leadership qualities make him more useful than people think in the Pak lineup which is always volatile and never know what to expect. He has a good mind for the game. As I said unless a new kid steps up, T.I.N.A as the gen-z’s say
 
Local.Dada said:
Rizwan can be used as a floater like how Badrinath was used by MSD in CSK successfully as a floater by promoting him during collapse/crisis. His keeping skills, along with his leadership qualities make him more useful than people think in the Pak lineup which is always volatile and never know what to expect. He has a good mind for the game. As I said unless a new kid steps up, T.I.N.A as the gen-z’s say
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A floater should to be able to shift gears depending on the situation. Rizwan can’t do that. How would he succeed as a floater?
 
BreadPakoda said:
A floater should to be able to shift gears depending on the situation. Rizwan can’t do that. How would he succeed as a floater?
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Not pinch hitter type floater but more like a stabilizer, at 20-4, he can get you to a competitive 130 odd to give your bowling a shot and he can lead chases up to 160 max kinda efficiently.
 
Local.Dada said:
Not pinch hitter type floater but more like a stabilizer, at 20-4, he can get you to a competitive 130 odd to give your bowling a shot and he can lead chases up to 160 max kinda efficiently.
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So you play him only when the team is chasing a low total and they’re totally screwed? That isn’t something you can predict before the game during team selection and also doesn’t happen often in T20s hence why he shouldn’t be in the side.
 
BreadPakoda said:
So you play him only when the team is chasing a low total and they’re totally screwed? That isn’t something you can predict before the game during team selection and also doesn’t happen often in T20s hence why he shouldn’t be in the side.
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Seriously tell me this- take out Rizwan if you want and tell me what is the realistic average par score for current Pak team?

For example- India will sleep walk to 160 type targets 9/10 times. Sure there will be exceptions of lower or higher scores.

So based on that, can you tell me why Rizwan doesn’t have a spot?

Babar I can see his utility decreasing because Agha is a similar player and he can bowl too (kinda) so you can’t afford both.
 
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