Mohammad Wasim should be accountable for some poor selections!!

[Sir-fraz]

So you think a game here and there is enough. Why not give them an extra 3 or 4 games and see if one of them comes off. Who are these great players waiting in the wings that we are missing out on?

For these 3 its pretty evident they are not international players.

For haider and talat, the latter who has had bad luck should 10 games on the trot.

These bits and pieces cricketers offer nothing.

 

[Sir-fraz]

“Imam is not a ready product for red ball cricket” but Shafique is......after 1 FC match.

He continues to get exposed for his blatant double-standards.

Just no consistency, even with the tabish khan pick. In his own stats tabish in the last 2 seasons has been awful avging over 30. Yet he was chosen based on being a domestic performer.

He mightve been a great player in his prime, but now there is no point in his selection.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

The usual crying of surface readers, together with the usual trollers.
Once again, no understanding of the details or the grander scheme of things.

It is party time for the usual suspects, so let the slitting and trolling song and dance continue.

Lots of bla bla bla and no substance.

 

[Bewal Express]

For these 3 its pretty evident they are not international players.

For haider and talat, the latter who has had bad luck should 10 games on the trot.

These bits and pieces cricketers offer nothing.

You say that and you maybe right but what do we lose by giving them a few extras games to swim or sink. These are pointless games with no value, and they are being used as they should and that is as trial matches.

 

[Hasan123]

Some of the selections have been extremely questionable. I don’t see an issue in people questioning him. You can’t honestly sit there and think every selection has been perfect . In the tests I like that he backed a specialist spinner and picked Hasan Ali as he performed In domestics. But saying Imam isn’t ready for test cricket than selecting Rauf and Shafique in squads is extremely questionable. Also some selections in this T20 squad have been bizarre as well.

Anyway I don’t think he is some saviour that some want to believe.

 

[LeedsGreen]

Some of the selections have been extremely questionable. I don’t see an issue in people questioning him. You can’t honestly sit there and think every selection has been perfect . In the tests I like that he backed a specialist spinner and picked Hasan Ali as he performed In domestics. But saying Imam isn’t ready for test cricket than selecting Rauf and Shafique in squads is extremely questionable. Also some selections in this T20 squad have been bizarre as well.

Anyway I don’t think he is some saviour that some want to believe.

how can a selector be the saviour when the players are not there to be selected .. the work that needs to be done is levels below the national team ... selection should not be a case of trying hard to find the least worse option

 

[Hasan123]

how can a selector be the saviour when the players are not there to be selected .. the work that needs to be done is levels below the national team ... selection should not be a case of trying hard to find the least worse option

You are right. You weren’t on PP when he was talked about being the new selector. Some of the usual suspects thought because he did well at as a coach at domestic level, he would revolutionise the national team with his selections.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

And what can that poor fella do? Select players from India? He literally gave all the options available. It’s high time people accept the players are mediocre. No amount of changing coaches / selectors is gonna help

 

[Bewal Express]

Some of the selections have been extremely questionable. I don’t see an issue in people questioning him. You can’t honestly sit there and think every selection has been perfect . In the tests I like that he backed a specialist spinner and picked Hasan Ali as he performed In domestics. But saying Imam isn’t ready for test cricket than selecting Rauf and Shafique in squads is extremely questionable. Also some selections in this T20 squad have been bizarre as well.

Anyway I don’t think he is some saviour that some want to believe.

Why do these T20 games matter to you. What makes you think that you know what his strategy his?

 

[LeedsGreen]

You are right. You weren’t on PP when he was talked about being the new selector. Some of the usual suspects thought because he did well at as a coach at domestic level, he would revolutionise the national team with his selections.

too much expectation is given to 'new selectors'... he may be new but the players are the same as they were and whilst 1/2 players may be picked differently, the bare bones of the squad remains the same and remains below the standard needed at international level

i actually like the squads he has picked so far and think hes done reasonably well however future squads will show if learns from his selections.

 

[Manunited18]

And what can that poor fella do? Select players from India? He literally gave all the options available. It’s high time people accept the players are mediocre. No amount of changing coaches / selectors is gonna help

Agree, to many impatient fans when it comes to the pakistan team, quality players don't grow on trees!

 

[Hasan123]

Why do these T20 games matter to you. What makes you think that you know what his strategy his?

There is a T20 World Cup this year and next. So World Cups don’t matter ?

We’ll see what strategy he has after a few series. But saying Imam is not ready for first class cricket then selecting Rauf and Shafique who combined together have less first class games than Imam is not a great start in terms of strategy.

 

[Hasan123]

too much expectation is given to 'new selectors'... he may be new but the players are the same as they were and whilst 1/2 players may be picked differently, the bare bones of the squad remains the same and remains below the standard needed at international level

This is what I try telling our fans but I get called an Indian fan, negative, a fake fan, I get told I have an agenda, and other names.

 

[Savak]

Khusdil Shah should have worked on his offside play for now. He has been in the system for a long time and has played PSL's and a few international games for Pakistan, what are the NHPC coaches doing? Or is it the player who is not putting in the effort himself?

 

[Bewal Express]

There is a T20 World Cup this year and next. So World Cups don’t matter ?

We’ll see what strategy he has after a few series. But saying Imam is not ready for first class cricket then selecting Rauf and Shafique who combined together have less first class games than Imam is not a great start in terms of strategy.

This wasn't a WC match, infact it was a pointless match with no value. The selection policy to give these players a chance is fair and needs to be persevered with. If they fail try other players until you find players that can do a job. And what makes you think you know more than guys whose job depends on performance. If they have selected AS and Rauf they must see something in them and if they don't come off then criticise but what he did worked and we won the series.

 

[shamaan]

We keep blaming Misbah and Waqar but how M Wasim didn't criticise to select players like Talat, M Nawaz, Khusdil, Rauf, useless Sarfraz, Iftikhar, Asif Ali and burning out Afridi for this useless T20? Had he select different players Misbah cannot play these useless players.

Your opinion please!!!!

Most were picked on merit who else would you have picked/dropped

 

[shamaan]

The onus of selecting the final XI is on Babar. This is a very good squad but it’s up to Babar to utilise the guys selected. Maybe get in Asif Ali, Husnain and Aamer Yamin. No need to go hyper on M. Wasim cause he’s selected a good squad. Typical pakistani fans you are slate someone for one failure but go completely silent when things are going well. It’s t20 cricket not the World Cup.

Would he really have selected rizwan to open with him if he had a choice ?

 

[kingusama92]

Wins the first Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the second Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the 1st T20I. Critics quiet.

Lose the 2nd T20I. Worst selector ever, doesn't know cricket, just makes flashy presentations.



I think I just lost brain cells reading this thread. Constructive criticism and whining are two different things and this thread is full of the latter.

 

[LeedsGreen]

Would he really have selected rizwan to open with him if he had a choice ?

ironically rizwan has performed the best and has played his part and yet im seeing constant criticism of me... pak fans are a strange bunch why hate on the one batting success so far in the series

 

[Shafi]

Most were picked on merit who else would you have picked/dropped

Most of you missing my point!!!! I didn't say all of M Wasim's selections are poor. I meant players like Nawaz, Iftikhar, Asif, Talat failed for years. Others can be persisted with but not send them in slog overs unless they mature to do so.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Congrats on the qualified, PowerPoint savy company you keep. Now, I'm curious as to what alternatives you would have has compared to what he picked? And keep in mind fitness standards. The same that helped Pakistan affect numerous run outs in the test series. So an obese Sharjeel and a raw Azam are not your saviours and can't be picked currently because they're a liability in the field. I believe Azam will play for Pakistan, but bringing him in now ruins a potentially very good prospect, especially when he's half cooked. He, like Haider needs time in the domestic to learn how to pace/plan their innings.

It's easy to criticize, but unless you come up with feasible alternatives to Mo Wasim's squad, it's all a bunch of hot air, is it not?

I'm not having this conversation with you again.

If you can't even remember that we have had this exact same conversation a couple of weeks ago then that's your problem, not mine.

I suggest you go back and find my comments. I'm not someone who likes repeating himself multiple times.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Wins the first Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the second Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the 1st T20I. Critics quiet.

Lose the 2nd T20I. Worst selector ever, doesn't know cricket, just makes flashy presentations.



I think I just lost brain cells reading this thread. Constructive criticism and whining are two different things and this thread is full of the latter.

Typical pak ***** fans bro. I standby Wasim’s selections. All of these guys have performed on the domestic level and the only inclusion you can argue for is Shoaib Moqsood (1 man) other than that it’s a moany thread.

Why not pick Aaemer Yamin ahead of Rauf? (Better new ball bowler than Rauf), why not rest Shaheen for Hasnain? Why not trial Aziz for chachu Ifti? All of this is on Misbah and Babar not Wasim.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Wins the first Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the second Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the 1st T20I. Critics quiet.

Lose the 2nd T20I. Worst selector ever, doesn't know cricket, just makes flashy presentations.



I think I just lost brain cells reading this thread. Constructive criticism and whining are two different things and this thread is full of the latter.

The current team is indicative of the fan base at the moment. Mentally weak, start panicking at the first signs of trouble. Everyone in this thread is looking to criticize, but no alternatives are being provided. Typical meltdown thread, good for comedy.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Most of you missing my point!!!! I didn't say all of M Wasim's selections are poor. I meant players like Nawaz, Iftikhar, Asif, Talat failed for years. Others can be persisted with but not send them in slog overs unless they mature to do so.

All of these guys performed on the domestic level this season that’s why they are included. Wasim made a perfect selection, other than those guys who else is there? These were all top performing names.

Ifti- i know is pretty much a lost cause
Asif- poor guy hasn’t even got a game and we are already criticising
Nawaz- handy bowler who bowler well today and in the first game. Got down with the ball in the second game but not as if it mattered when he came in. Should’ve batted higher up the order.
Talat- Technically he had just this failure the first game he was robbed of a poor decision. I’m gutted he’s not performing but am hopeful of a good last hurrah from him.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I have no real problems with the squad he picked for the T20 matches. It's up to Misbah and Babar to select the final XI. If they want to run Shaheen Shah Afridi into the ground, then that's on them.

My only gripe with Mohammad Wasim relates to the wasted selection of Imran Butt in the test squad. That was a stupid decision no matter how anyone paints it, and doesn't bode well for the future.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Wins the first Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the second Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the 1st T20I. Critics quiet.

Lose the 2nd T20I. Worst selector ever, doesn't know cricket, just makes flashy presentations.



I think I just lost brain cells reading this thread. Constructive criticism and whining are two different things and this thread is full of the latter.

Tussi great ho paaji. Hawkistan Zindabad.

 

[Shafi]

Not to forget both Shahin and Babar will becoming destroyed under current management. Neither of Misbah and Waqar has any management/technical skill to develop or nurture talent.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I have no real problems with the squad he picked for the T20 matches. It's up to Misbah and Babar to select the final XI. If they want to run Shaheen Shah Afridi into the ground, then that's on them.

My only gripe with Mohammad Wasim relates to the wasted selection of Imran Butt in the test squad. That was a stupid decision no matter how anyone paints it, and doesn't bode well for the future.

To be fair Imran was the highest run getter in 2019/20 QeA and Wasim did pick up on his slips field catching which also helped in us winning the second game.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Would he really have selected rizwan to open with him if he had a choice ?

Probably yea. Rizwan performed in the last t20 in NZ and has performed here.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I have no real problems with the squad he picked for the T20 matches. It's up to Misbah and Babar to select the final XI. If they want to run Shaheen Shah Afridi into the ground, then that's on them.

My only gripe with Mohammad Wasim relates to the wasted selection of Imran Butt in the test squad. That was a stupid decision no matter how anyone paints it, and doesn't bode well for the future.

Imran Butt was present in the NZ touring squad, which was selected by Misbah. Not a far cry to imagine that he was persisted with for continuity sake. No issues with any of the selections from Mo Wasim so far, he has his hands tied due to how mediocre players like Iftikhar and Khushdil dominate our poor domestic cricket.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

I'm not having this conversation with you again.

If you can't even remember that we have had this exact same conversation a couple of weeks ago then that's your problem, not mine.

I suggest you go back and find my comments. I'm not someone who likes repeating himself multiple times.

Ah yes, you who thought that picking Shoaib Malik, Fakhar Zaman and Wahab solves all our problems. Nothing like kicking the can down the road by picking 'experienced performers' who also regularly fail in the big games.

The point of some of these selections is, i.e. Nawaz, Asif Ali is that they have worked on their games in domestic and have been given a last chance to prove themselves. If they can't establish themselves as performing mainstays, (as there are enough games before the WC to gauge this), then we can always go back to the older lads that you're such a diehard fan of.

Whoever is the selector needs to have younger options for the different role requirements of the t20 team and it's future, because Malik and Wahab aren't far from retirement at this point and Fakhar was failing in the Pakistan Cup and the QEA.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Wins the first Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the second Test. Critics quiet.

Wins the 1st T20I. Critics quiet.

Lose the 2nd T20I. Worst selector ever, doesn't know cricket, just makes flashy presentations.



I think I just lost brain cells reading this thread. Constructive criticism and whining are two different things and this thread is full of the latter.

This times a million.

If I had a pound for every whinging/crying comment from these know-it-all critics, I'd be filthy rich.

Pakistan's white ball sides have multiple issues and the rebuild will be painful.

However, having bad faith experts chirping nonsense on the sidelines, in no way actually helps anything or provides any answers to the team's problems.

 

[Hasan123]

This wasn't a WC match, infact it was a pointless match with no value. The selection policy to give these players a chance is fair and needs to be persevered with. If they fail try other players until you find players that can do a job. And what makes you think you know more than guys whose job depends on performance. If they have selected AS and Rauf they must see something in them and if they don't come off then criticise but what he did worked and we won the series.

So all international games that aren't World Cup matches are pointless?

How is me giving my opinion saying I know more than Wasim?

It's hypocritical to say Imam isn't ready for first class cricket the pick a batsmen who has played 1 first class game. Also Shafique didn't even play so why have select him lol?

Well if they see a test future in Rauf, you should be extremely worried because he doesn't have a test future i can assure you of that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Ah yes, you who thought that picking Shoaib Malik, Fakhar Zaman and Wahab solves all our problems. Nothing like kicking the can down the road by picking 'experienced performers' who also regularly fail in the big games.

The point of some of these selections is, i.e. Nawaz, Asif Ali is that they have worked on their games in domestic and have been given a last chance to prove themselves. If they can't establish themselves as performing mainstays, (as there are enough games before the WC to gauge this), then we can always go back to the older lads that you're such a diehard fan of.

Whoever is the selector needs to have younger options for the different role requirements of the t20 team and it's future, because Malik and Wahab aren't far from retirement at this point and Fakhar was failing in the Pakistan Cup and the QEA.

LOL its hilarious how you are still promoting these failures who would struggle to play for most minnow sides. Clearly you still have not comprehended the fact that the disparity between Pakistan's domestic system and other domestic systems is quite significant. Which is why guys who have a proven track-record of doing well on the international level should be selected.

And none of these guys are retiring fro T20s anytime soon. Atleast not till the T20 WC which is later this year and for which Pakistan should have their best 15 players rather than a whose who of TTFs.

Also, what does QeA or Pakistan Cup have to do with T20 selection? Atleast stay consistent with your point of view. Fakhar has done well in Domestic T20 Cup (leading run-scorer) and PSL so why isn't he in the national side? And unlike these other mediocre players he is someone who has actually succeeded on the international level.

 

[Bewal Express]

So all international games that aren't World Cup matches are pointless?

How is me giving my opinion saying I know more than Wasim?

It's hypocritical to say Imam isn't ready for first class cricket the pick a batsmen who has played 1 first class game. Also Shafique didn't even play so why have select him lol?

Well if they see a test future in Rauf, you should be extremely worried because he doesn't have a test future i can assure you of that.

Test cricket matters, most ODIs have no value unless they are played against the big teams. Every T20 outside the T20 has no value at all, they are trial matches, it's the reason other teams have developed and we have been 40yrs old to win games that we don't even win.

MW will live and die by the results, what makes you think you know better. If AS or Rauf don't perform, he will get criticised and rightly so, but some guys that have never played FC thinking they know better isn't even funny.

 

[Hasan123]

Test cricket matters, most ODIs have no value unless they are played against the big teams. Every T20 outside the T20 has no value at all, they are trial matches, it's the reason other teams have developed and we have been 40yrs old to win games that we don't even win.

MW will live and die by the results, what makes you think you know better. If AS or Rauf don't perform, he will get criticised and rightly so, but some guys that have never played FC thinking they know better isn't even funny.

Well T20s matter when there is a World T20 in the next few months. Obviously they don't matter when Pakistan lose the game.

When did I say no better? Why are you defending him so much ? I said he has made some questionable selections which is a fair thing to say.

Also of course we don't know better than players who have played the game but that doesn't mean we can't give our opinion. PCB defenders like you should not resort to saying " how do you know better"? It's a cricket forum where fans give their opinion.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well T20s matter when there is a World T20 in the next few months. Obviously they don't matter when Pakistan lose the game.

When did I say no better? Why are you defending him so much ? I said he has made some questionable selections which is a fair thing to say.

Also of course we don't know better than players who have played the game but that doesn't mean we can't give our opinion. PCB defenders like you should not resort to saying " how do you know better"? It's a cricket forum where fans give their opinion.

Let's face it we are years behind in T20 players because the failure to try young players instead we relied on two 40yrs as a comfort zone. Look where it got us. I see the result as pointless, it's forgotten within a couple of days but finding a gem will leave a legacy for a decade and that's why we need to pick players and give them the extra few games just in case they were the one.
It's the silly opinions that has led to short term selections because somehow each match is some bizzare World Cup final. These matches are trial matches and should be treated as such

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Great stuff by M Wasim. Zahid Mahmood proving to be a good addition. Others would have kept it Qadir, Gohar and Nawaz as the backup spinners in the absence of Shadab, Imad.

Danish Aziz is another good pick by M wasim, but ignored by Misbah/Babar. Danish isn't a world beater but pretty decent for Pakistani standards. He is a mature batsman who times his innings well. Strong hitter of the ball without any slogging. His balance is very good.

After the PSL we might see more of M Wasim's additions.

 

[Firebat]

Waiting for the "Mohammad Wasim is the greatest selector of all time" thread after this destruction. This is what happens when you make extreme declarations and opinions after literally one result

 

[reversehook]

Wasim is that student in class who spends most of the time trying to make his PowerPoint presentation look pretty and adds a lot of charts, tables and graphics but doesn’t put much thought into the quality of the content of his presentation.

Everything about his press conferences are so fake and manufactured. It is all for the cameras.

The way he brings his MacBook Pro with him when there is no need for it, the graphs and charts that he throws in everyone’s face and the smug look that he gives to the journalists whenever they ask him a question.

He is clearly playing to the galleries and hunting for cheap praise. He is trying too hard to look competent, modern and professionalism.

hey that pretty much sums up a certain poster on a paralel world of PP as well, i wonder who, here is a hint, its very close to home

 

[Firebat]

So we're holding him accountable for the selections of Nawaz and Zahid Mahmood as well or...?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

So we're holding him accountable for the selections of Nawaz and Zahid Mahmood as well or...?

There are some reporters as well who do not like him because he is no big name.

The reason none will give him credit for these picks. For years people on PP wanted selection on merit and now he gives them that yet they are not happy. He even supports it with stats, yet we manage to cry a river.

 

[Ozeirk]

Wasim gave them a good set of players. It was a matter of picking the right combination and making good decisions during the game. Zahid Mehmood and Hassan Ali proved to be key today.

 

[Ami]

Hmmm...won test series. Won T20 series, selection justified.

But I have to admit, when it comes to T20/Odi middle order, we're beyond repair.

The likes of Malik, Talat, Ifti, Khushdil, Asif etc are not the answer for middle order batting woes.

Odis... T20s...
Fakhar Rizwan
Imam Babar
Babar ???
Rizwan Hafeez
??? ???
??? ???

 

[Slim]

When did he become the savior of Pakistan cricket? He was a nothing batsman, and his analysis on PTV sports were mostly poor and lacked insight.

I don’t know what he did with Northern Shorthern or whatever that nonsense domestic team is called, but he duped the gullible and hyper fans for nothing.

His squad selections are geared towards winning cheap praise from the same gullible fans and the YouTube squad of ex-Pakistani players who are as clueless as he is.

Making fancy PowerPoint presentations and using colorful charts doesn’t make you a good selector.

This post clearly shows that you go against the grain just for the sake of it. Not that this fact needed another evidence, but its nauseating to see the degrees you take it to gain attention.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Hmmm...won test series. Won T20 series, selection justified.

But I have to admit, when it comes to T20/Odi middle order, we're beyond repair.

The likes of Malik, Talat, Ifti, Khushdil, Asif etc are not the answer for middle order batting woes.

Odis... T20s...
Fakhar Rizwan
Imam Babar
Babar ???
Rizwan Hafeez
??? ???
??? ???

I’d like to see Nawaz come at no.4 perhaps I’d like to back him to do good.

Sohaib Moqsood at 3.

 

[shamaan]

ironically rizwan has performed the best and has played his part and yet im seeing constant criticism of me... pak fans are a strange bunch why hate on the one batting success so far in the series

Am not critising am just stating its proberly misbah decision to let rizwan open i also think wasim had a part to play hence why no recognised opener baring babar and haider.he has performed well but he only got this opportunity due to not really having an opener

 

[shamaan]

Most of you missing my point!!!! I didn't say all of M Wasim's selections are poor. I meant players like Nawaz, Iftikhar, Asif, Talat failed for years. Others can be persisted with but not send them in slog overs unless they mature to do so.

Which others you literally named half the team

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Waiting for the "Mohammad Wasim is the greatest selector of all time" thread after this destruction. This is what happens when you make extreme declarations and opinions after literally one result

Agreed. Don’t see anyone praising Mohammad Nawaz’s performance either, who was at Northern with Wasim I believe.

 

[deems]

We keep blaming Misbah and Waqar but how M Wasim didn't criticise to select players like Talat, M Nawaz, Khusdil, Rauf, useless Sarfraz, Iftikhar, Asif Ali and burning out Afridi for this useless T20? Had he select different players Misbah cannot play these useless players.

Your opinion please!!!!

When our so called youngsters are given chances, they flop big big time. The real question is will Wasim succumb to Misbahs call for experience and recall shoaib malik. In the end, its just a repeat cycle, just before the world Cup, new guys are given a few chances and then come the world cup, we see all the TTF brigade.

I'd be shocked if malik,riaz and ifti are not in the squad, on that plane to India.