That classes as racial abuse to me, and I would want the police to charge the perpetrator and to keep him in the cells until he goes before a magistrate.
I’m not defending racial vilification at all.
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Is there really a need to stop the game for 5+ minutes because some random guys said something you don't like? Ridiculous. I don't defend racism, but people need to understand that there will always be bad in the world, you need to be able to have skin thick enough to where most of the benign stuff like this should not affect you. What happened to 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words shall never hurt me"?
I said the same when Archer complained over a year ago about a similar thing. If you can't even take some words from a random guy in the crowd, I'm afraid you won't be able to perform much under pressure, and on tough tours.
I said the same when Archer complained over a year ago about a similar thing. If you can't even take some words from a random guy in the crowd, I'm afraid you won't be able to perform much under pressure, and on tough tours.
I disagree.
I have an issue with vexatious accusations, but if you racially abuse someone in a public place you should be arrested and taken into custody. I have always thought that the NSW Police should have removed Harbhajan Singh from the SCG in handcuffs in 2008.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very unfortunate to see what’s happening at SCG. There is no place for this rubbish. Never understood the need to yell abuse at players on a sporting field.. If you’re not here to watch the game and can’t be respectful, then pls don’t come and spoil the atmosphere. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvIND</a></p>— VVS Laxman (@VVSLaxman281) <a href="https://twitter.com/VVSLaxman281/status/1348118776009555968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Mohammad Siraj is a real hero here for calling out the abusers & they the real cowards. Being at the receiving end of a racist slur can have long-lasting effects. It’s belittling. It’s not a joke. You can’t always just move on from it
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I disagree. Racism is a moral crime but should not be a legitimate legal crime. Being a bad person should not be a legal crime.
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Former Australian cricketers Mike Hussey and Shane Warne have condemned the alleged racial abuse at the Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG) during the ongoing third Test between India and Australia. The Indian team on Saturday lodged an official complaint after the crowd at the SCG allegedly racially abused fast bowlers Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj on the second and third day of the ongoing Pink Test in Sydney.
"It's terrible behaviour and I can't believe it's still happening in this day and age. They should be banned for life from coming to cricket. The Indians have come here to our shores to entertain us, play some great cricket, we should be so grateful that we can watch some live sport. To treat the players like that is unacceptable," Hussey told Fox Cricket
Warne also said that "severe punishment" should be given to the members of the crowd who hurled racial slurs at Siraj and Bumrah.
"Disgraceful to be honest, absolutely disgraceful. Should never happen, especially what's happened in the last 12 months or so with everything else around the world. Let's hope they come down heavy and find the culprits," said Warne.
https://sports.ndtv.com/australia-v...ane-warne-condemn-racial-abuse-at-scg-2350247
"It's terrible behaviour and I can't believe it's still happening in this day and age. They should be banned for life from coming to cricket. The Indians have come here to our shores to entertain us, play some great cricket, we should be so grateful that we can watch some live sport. To treat the players like that is unacceptable," Hussey told Fox Cricket
Warne also said that "severe punishment" should be given to the members of the crowd who hurled racial slurs at Siraj and Bumrah.
"Disgraceful to be honest, absolutely disgraceful. Should never happen, especially what's happened in the last 12 months or so with everything else around the world. Let's hope they come down heavy and find the culprits," said Warne.
https://sports.ndtv.com/australia-v...ane-warne-condemn-racial-abuse-at-scg-2350247
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Hmmm. I've moved on from it multiple times.
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Play was stopped for more than eight minutes at the SCG on Sunday after further issues with the Sydney crowd.
After allegations of abuse surfaced on Saturday, Mohammed Siraj charged in to stop play while fielding on the fine leg boundary just before tea.
Umpires and security guards attended the boundary, before six people were removed from their seats by NSW Police.
The incident follows alleged racial abuse of Indian players by a small section of the SCG crowd yesterday.
"Cricket Australia condemns in the strongest terms possible all discriminatory behaviour," said Sean Carroll, Cricket Australia’s Head of Integrity and Security. “If you engage in racist abuse, you are not welcome in Australian cricket.
"CA is awaiting the outcome of the International Cricket Council’s investigation into the matter reported at the SCG on Saturday. Once those responsible are identified, CA will take the strongest measures possible under our Anti-Harassment Code, including lengthy bans, further sanctions and referral to NSW Police.
"As series hosts, we unreservedly apologise to our friends in the Indian cricket team and assure them we will prosecute the matter to its fullest extent."
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/fan...r-mohammed-siraj-stops-play-police/2021-01-10
After allegations of abuse surfaced on Saturday, Mohammed Siraj charged in to stop play while fielding on the fine leg boundary just before tea.
Umpires and security guards attended the boundary, before six people were removed from their seats by NSW Police.
The incident follows alleged racial abuse of Indian players by a small section of the SCG crowd yesterday.
"Cricket Australia condemns in the strongest terms possible all discriminatory behaviour," said Sean Carroll, Cricket Australia’s Head of Integrity and Security. “If you engage in racist abuse, you are not welcome in Australian cricket.
"CA is awaiting the outcome of the International Cricket Council’s investigation into the matter reported at the SCG on Saturday. Once those responsible are identified, CA will take the strongest measures possible under our Anti-Harassment Code, including lengthy bans, further sanctions and referral to NSW Police.
"As series hosts, we unreservedly apologise to our friends in the Indian cricket team and assure them we will prosecute the matter to its fullest extent."
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/fan...r-mohammed-siraj-stops-play-police/2021-01-10
Just a reminder, at this stage we only know that six men were removed from the stand.
There has been no confirmation that they were found to have used racial abuse as opposed to foul and abusive non-racial language.
That confirmation may follow, but does not yet exist.
There has been no confirmation that they were found to have used racial abuse as opposed to foul and abusive non-racial language.
That confirmation may follow, but does not yet exist.
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That's totally your prerogative, however, it doesn't mean that you should expect everyone else to turn the cheek when abused.
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Why not board ban consuming Alcohol inside stadium??
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That will hurt CA in the pocket, as they charge the concessions a lot of money for selling alcohol in the stadium. They'll do no more than pay lip service.
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It's my personal opinion. Just like you have your own opinion. You must agree though that it shows a lack of mental strength.
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Quite the converse actually, it shows a lack of mental strength to ignore abuse and not stand up for oneself.
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Verbal abuse turns in to physical abuse many times. In Ukraine, they used to verbally abuse while crossing in street but then they will run towards us and attack from the back. I guess you are lucky you haven't been subjected to this or been to hospital but many are. So it is not just about mental strength.
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I wonder next is what? A wife is weak because she cant go through the domestic abuse and filed for divorce?
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People like those should be banned from attending games and either:
1. Encouraging people around them to join them.
1. Ruining the matchday experience for those around them.
It was the right call to notify the required authorities about who those people are so necessary action could be taken.
Are you going to be okay if you take your kid to the ground and the guy sitting next to you is shouting racist things that your kid shouldn't be hearing?
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Anyone who hurls racist abuse deserves a criminal record in my opinion. However the cynic in me feels that the way the Indians stopped the game in response to the racism has a lot to do with the position they were in the match - it easily reduced Australia's score by about 20-30 runs and the Indians clearly knew that Aus would declare at Tea, given the way Green was batting.
Let's say the boot was on the other foot and India were bowling desperately trying to get 10 wickets to win the match - if Siraj heard racist abuse on the boundary, would he report it? I am sure he would. Would he stop the game? I'm quite certain he wouldn't.
The Indians were wasting a lot of time leading up to that point and this just was the cherry on top. When the new ball was taken for example, the bowlers waited until the batsmen were ready to face the ball before starting their warm ups, including bowling the ball to fielders as practice deliveries.
Add to the above all the drama about running scared from the Gabba and you have to conclude that the Indians' behaviour on this tour has been pretty poor.
Let's say the boot was on the other foot and India were bowling desperately trying to get 10 wickets to win the match - if Siraj heard racist abuse on the boundary, would he report it? I am sure he would. Would he stop the game? I'm quite certain he wouldn't.
The Indians were wasting a lot of time leading up to that point and this just was the cherry on top. When the new ball was taken for example, the bowlers waited until the batsmen were ready to face the ball before starting their warm ups, including bowling the ball to fielders as practice deliveries.
Add to the above all the drama about running scared from the Gabba and you have to conclude that the Indians' behaviour on this tour has been pretty poor.
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Cricket Australia has reaffirmed its zero-tolerance policy towards discriminatory behaviour in all forms following the alleged racial abuse of members of the Indian cricket squad by a section of the crowd at the Sydney Cricket Ground on Saturday.
Sean Carroll, Cricket Australia’s Head of Integrity and Security, said anyone who sought to vilify and/or harass had no place in Australian cricket.
“Cricket Australia condemns in the strongest terms possible all discriminatory behaviour,” Carroll said. “If you engage in racist abuse, you are not welcome in Australian cricket.
“CA is awaiting the outcome of the International Cricket Council’s investigation into the matter reported at the SCG on Saturday. Once those responsible are identified, CA will take the strongest measures possible under our Anti-Harassment Code, including lengthy bans, further sanctions and referral to NSW Police.
“As series hosts, we unreservedly apologise to our friends in the Indian cricket team and assure them we will prosecute the matter to its fullest extent.”
Kerrie Mather, Venues NSW’s Chief Executive, said CCTV footage was being reviewed to assist the ICC investigation.
“At the SCG, we pride ourselves on welcoming anyone and everyone in a safe and inclusive environment,” Mather said.
“We are taking this extremely seriously. If those involved are identified, they will be banned from the SCG and all Venues NSW properties under our Act.”
Sean Carroll, Cricket Australia’s Head of Integrity and Security, said anyone who sought to vilify and/or harass had no place in Australian cricket.
“Cricket Australia condemns in the strongest terms possible all discriminatory behaviour,” Carroll said. “If you engage in racist abuse, you are not welcome in Australian cricket.
“CA is awaiting the outcome of the International Cricket Council’s investigation into the matter reported at the SCG on Saturday. Once those responsible are identified, CA will take the strongest measures possible under our Anti-Harassment Code, including lengthy bans, further sanctions and referral to NSW Police.
“As series hosts, we unreservedly apologise to our friends in the Indian cricket team and assure them we will prosecute the matter to its fullest extent.”
Kerrie Mather, Venues NSW’s Chief Executive, said CCTV footage was being reviewed to assist the ICC investigation.
“At the SCG, we pride ourselves on welcoming anyone and everyone in a safe and inclusive environment,” Mather said.
“We are taking this extremely seriously. If those involved are identified, they will be banned from the SCG and all Venues NSW properties under our Act.”
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This is very valuable piece of information and we can safely assume that something doesn't exist because you have not seen or heard of it.
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Classic victim blaming
Nothing of the sort. In my first line, I said the people who hurled the abuse deserve criminal records.
Victim blaming, in case you don't understand, means holding the victim responsible for receiving the abuse. Please do point out a single sentence in my post that does that.
My point is a different one entirely and if you do not understand it, I suggest you refrain from commenting.
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If your issue is stopping the game for incidents happening between players and the stand, then start a new thread and discuss how the constitution of ICC should address it.
This thread is about racial abuse. Stick to it.
But I thought you said that in Australia the only racist comment for Asians is curry muncher?? Rest everything was supposed to be a lie.
And he claims to be a psychiatrist! Imagine a psychiatrist who judges people without even having the patience to hear what they heard. I am not sure if his patients are in good hand
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And he claims to be a psychiatrist! Imagine a psychiatrist who judges people without even having the patience to hear what they heard. I am not sure if his patients are in good hand
He is just taking the mickey out of those who are taking his posts at face value.
It has just been confirmed that the people removed from the stand had heckled the players but it was NOT racial abuse.
The group were seated ten rows behind the boundary, and the witnesses located BETWEEN the group and the fielder have said that they heckled him with abusive language but NOT racial slurs.
The nine rows of witnesses have no known links with the removed spectators and are not believed to have any motivation to lie.
The group were seated ten rows behind the boundary, and the witnesses located BETWEEN the group and the fielder have said that they heckled him with abusive language but NOT racial slurs.
The nine rows of witnesses have no known links with the removed spectators and are not believed to have any motivation to lie.
And he claims to be a psychiatrist! Imagine a psychiatrist who judges people without even having the patience to hear what they heard. I am not sure if his patients are in good hand
A large part of being a psychiatrist is about understanding the social and cultural world people live in.
If I have an Indian patient who tells me that an Australian has called him a Curry Muncher, my knowledge of this community makes me think it’s overwhelmingly likely that it is true.
But if I have an Indian patient who tells me that an Australian has called him a Monkey, I know that that is not a term racist Aussies use for Indians, and I ask myself “is this person too poor at English to have understood what was said, or is he mischievously obtaining secondary gain from false allegations, or has he discovered a new Australian term of abuse?”
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As Usual pathetic post by a Pakistani.they can't win a single test from last decade but they talk about india is sacred
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The eyewitnesses have told the NSW Police and news.com.au that the heckling which led to suspension of play consisted of the words:
“Welcome to Sydney, Siraj”.
That’s it. I think he was on edge after yesterday and panicked when he got non-racially heckled.
I will give him that benefit of the doubt, rather than concluding that India are conspiring to get out of the Fourth Test.
“Welcome to Sydney, Siraj”.
That’s it. I think he was on edge after yesterday and panicked when he got non-racially heckled.
I will give him that benefit of the doubt, rather than concluding that India are conspiring to get out of the Fourth Test.
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I do not condone racism but athletes get heckled all the time. Even someone like Lebron james has been heckled and abused. I think as a professional you have to be mentally strong and just ignore it and focus on your game, or heckle them back like some players in north America.
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Lol there always a group of friends so they alway take side with them .why would they want their country bad name bcz outside Australia only people remember " Australian fans are racial"
I go to a lot of Tests in Australia and the punishment for racial abuse is massive ($5000+) fines.
The crowd during this Covid Test is small and the authorities have seen everyone’s ID and have a record of their address.
You’d have to be a complete fool to engage in racial sledging in these circumstances. You’d obviously get caught, and unlike every other year your name and address is already recorded.
Combine that with the ridiculously improbable word that the Indians claimed yesterday was used, and this is a deeply suspicious incident.
You can’t seriously vouch for what all 24 million Australians say in a country as big as Continental US. My wife’s home is just 35 kms away from mine in India and some of the words she uses are something I have never heard of. And I now live in Sydney and know Indians who have been called “Black B@$&&”.
And people learn new things in this internet age. I was born in India but now use swear words which are pretty common in US and Australia, thanks mostly to internet.
It’s crass, stupid and boorish behaviour - like Senator Perdue making fun of Kamala Harris’ name.
But it could just as easily happen to Pucovski.
This incident is over - the Indian witness has clearly confirmed that no racial slurs were used.
It’s over.
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Cricket Australia has launched an investigation in parallel with NSW Police into a crowd incident at the Sydney Cricket Ground on Sunday at the conclusion of the 86th over of Australia’s second innings.
Play was halted for several minutes after the Indian team made a complaint regarding abuse from a section of the crowd in the Brewongle Stand concourse.
A number of spectators were interviewed by NSW Police and ground officials and subsequently removed from the venue.
Sean Carroll, Cricket Australia’s Head of Integrity and Security, said the allegations made by the Indian team would be investigated to their fullest extent.
“The abuse of cricketers by crowd members is not acceptable,” Carroll said. “We thank the Indian team for their vigilance in reporting today’s incident, which we are now in the process of investigating.
“A number of spectators were interviewed by NSW Police and subsequently removed from the SCG on Sunday afternoon. While we await the outcome of the investigation by NSW Police, CA has launched its own inquiry into the matter.
“It is most regrettable that an otherwise excellent Test match contested in tremendous spirit by two friendly rivals has been tarnished by the actions of a small number of spectators over the past two days.
“As hosts, we once again apologise to the Indian team.”
Play was halted for several minutes after the Indian team made a complaint regarding abuse from a section of the crowd in the Brewongle Stand concourse.
A number of spectators were interviewed by NSW Police and ground officials and subsequently removed from the venue.
Sean Carroll, Cricket Australia’s Head of Integrity and Security, said the allegations made by the Indian team would be investigated to their fullest extent.
“The abuse of cricketers by crowd members is not acceptable,” Carroll said. “We thank the Indian team for their vigilance in reporting today’s incident, which we are now in the process of investigating.
“A number of spectators were interviewed by NSW Police and subsequently removed from the SCG on Sunday afternoon. While we await the outcome of the investigation by NSW Police, CA has launched its own inquiry into the matter.
“It is most regrettable that an otherwise excellent Test match contested in tremendous spirit by two friendly rivals has been tarnished by the actions of a small number of spectators over the past two days.
“As hosts, we once again apologise to the Indian team.”
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This is for today. The alleged racial comments was yesterday.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I personally have heard many things on the field while playing in Australia about Me My religion My colour and much more..This isn’t the first time the crowd is doing this nonsense..How do u stop them ?? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvIND</a></p>— Harbhajan Turbanator (@harbhajan_singh) <a href="https://twitter.com/harbhajan_singh/status/1348136501901619200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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What? Plenty of Australians use MF. I have heard plenty in Sydney, even from School kids who say that to each other.
And I have heard that in many Australian movies and TV shows too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p8iACc3EVBs
you can hear that word used in the above clip from “Summer Heights High” at 1:35.
Sounds like everyday Australia heckling in that version but there is often one idiot who goes too far - or a visitor who isn't sure if the heckling is supposed to be racial or not... How the hell does Siraj know what every context of Oz culture heckling is? He just knows he's getting blasted & in his ears/his mind something racial was said. maybe it was.
But you WILL get blasted by fans in Oz. An Indian crowd will give it to the other team but I find the single loud voice doesn't carry in an Indian stadium/fan so the heckling doesn't seem as personal.
Final note- heckling from the crowd at the cricket in Australia is such a cultural tradition that the only statue of a cricket legend INSIDE a stadium (not outside) in Australia is of Yabba- the legendary OG heckler of the SCG. The fact such a guy gets his own statue in perpetuity tells you a bit about how Australians see heckling & crowd baiting as humour & part of the game.
It can make or break how they treat a player... Tony Greig's two hats being a classic example. Generally if you interact with the crowd or get some revenge- they love you for it.
All 3 of those words are absolutely in the normal vocabulary of at least 50% of adult makes in Oz when showing off to their mates.
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So play was stopped because indian player couldn't take seldging after being hit for sixes?
What is his version or the official BCCI version?
I am waiting for the outcome but have no faith at all in this Indian team and management, they really act like loosers so will not be surprised if what the witnesses are telling is the truth.
What is his version or the official BCCI version?
I am waiting for the outcome but have no faith at all in this Indian team and management, they really act like loosers so will not be surprised if what the witnesses are telling is the truth.
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Stick to the topic. Play can not be halt without the approval from the ICC authority. Indian players simply complaining won't turn it into stoppage.
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My post is completely on topic and in case it is not, there are many admins here to tell us what to do, you don't have to worry.
The way they gathered in the midle of the ground it looked liked something really big happened, so lets hope for them it was not just sledging.
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SYDNEY: Seasoned off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin on Sunday said racist abuse from the crowd at the Sydney Cricket Ground is not new and needs to be dealt with an iron fist after some spectators were asked to leave for targetting Indian players during the ongoing third Test against Australia here.
Speaking at the end of the fourth day's play, Ashwin said the Indian players have faced racism in Sydney earlier too and "disappointment" will be a "mild word" to describe how they are feeling after young pacer Mohammed Siraj was subjected to racial slurs on two consecutive days.
"Look, I would like to point out something. This is my fourth tour to Australia. Sydney, especially here, we have had a few experiences even in the past," Ashwin said at the virtual press conference to a query from PTI as to how the team is looking at the unsavoury incident.
In fact, without naming skipper Virat Kohli, Ashwin also referred to an incident where he was photographed showing his middle finger to the crowd during the of 2011 after being constantly abused by a section of the crowd.
"One or two times, even the players have reacted and have got into trouble in the past and not because of players but actually the way the crowd has been speaking, especially the lower tier of the stands."
Local media reported that six people were expelled from the ground by the security during the nearly 10-minute halt in the on-ground proceedings during the fourth day of the ongoing Test. On Saturday, the BCCI lodged a complaint with the ICC after Siraj and Jasprit Bumrah were abused.
"They have been quite nasty and have been hurling abuses as well. But this is the time when they have gone one step ahead and used racial abuses," the senior member of the team said.
Ashwin said that both umpires Paul Reiffel and Paul Wilson have told them to report any incident of racism immediately.
"Like we already mentioned, we have lodged an official complaint yesterday and umpires also mentioned we must bring it to their notice as and when it happens.
India vs Australia 3rd Test: Indian cricketers subjected to abuse again, spectators evicted from SCG; Cricket Australia issues apology
"It is not acceptable in this day and age when we have seen a lot," said Ashwin.
He said in no unequivocal terms that this needs to be dealt with an iron fist.
"This roots back to upbringing and the way one sees, this needs to be definitely dealt with iron fists. We must make sure it doesn't happen again."
Ashwin said that the team didn't face any racism in the earlier Test venues like Adelaide and Melbourne.
"Personally, I think Adelaide and Melbourne weren't as bad but like I said this has been a continuous thing at Sydney. I personally experienced it as well. They do tend to get nasty. I don't know why or for what reason."
Ashwin was surprised that the security personnel didn't round up the perpetrators at the first instance and let it linger for a long time.
"Unless people don't find the necessity to look at it in a different way, in fact I was surprised that a section in crowd continuously did and they were not made to surround or pulled up for it.
"They needed to be dealt with and yes, disappointing is actually a very mild word, I must say," he said
Ashwin then went on to narrate some of his own experiences on previous tours.
"If I take myself back to the first tour of 2011-12, I had no clue about racial abuse and how you were made to feel small in front of so many people and people actually laugh at you and another set of people who laugh along when these things happen. I had no idea at all what this was," he said.
"When you stood at the boundary line, you wanted to come in 10 yards inside to avoid all these things. As things have moved on and we have toured more and more, this has definitely been not acceptable," he said.
"So when Siraj brought it up, Ajinkya, Rohit and myself, we all got together and reported the matter to the umpires. A new boy like Siraj knows, this is a line someone cannot over-step. We were quite happy that these people were evicted," the eloquent Chennai man said.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ith-iron-fist-ashwin/articleshow/80197315.cms
Speaking at the end of the fourth day's play, Ashwin said the Indian players have faced racism in Sydney earlier too and "disappointment" will be a "mild word" to describe how they are feeling after young pacer Mohammed Siraj was subjected to racial slurs on two consecutive days.
"Look, I would like to point out something. This is my fourth tour to Australia. Sydney, especially here, we have had a few experiences even in the past," Ashwin said at the virtual press conference to a query from PTI as to how the team is looking at the unsavoury incident.
In fact, without naming skipper Virat Kohli, Ashwin also referred to an incident where he was photographed showing his middle finger to the crowd during the of 2011 after being constantly abused by a section of the crowd.
"One or two times, even the players have reacted and have got into trouble in the past and not because of players but actually the way the crowd has been speaking, especially the lower tier of the stands."
Local media reported that six people were expelled from the ground by the security during the nearly 10-minute halt in the on-ground proceedings during the fourth day of the ongoing Test. On Saturday, the BCCI lodged a complaint with the ICC after Siraj and Jasprit Bumrah were abused.
"They have been quite nasty and have been hurling abuses as well. But this is the time when they have gone one step ahead and used racial abuses," the senior member of the team said.
Ashwin said that both umpires Paul Reiffel and Paul Wilson have told them to report any incident of racism immediately.
"Like we already mentioned, we have lodged an official complaint yesterday and umpires also mentioned we must bring it to their notice as and when it happens.
India vs Australia 3rd Test: Indian cricketers subjected to abuse again, spectators evicted from SCG; Cricket Australia issues apology
"It is not acceptable in this day and age when we have seen a lot," said Ashwin.
He said in no unequivocal terms that this needs to be dealt with an iron fist.
"This roots back to upbringing and the way one sees, this needs to be definitely dealt with iron fists. We must make sure it doesn't happen again."
Ashwin said that the team didn't face any racism in the earlier Test venues like Adelaide and Melbourne.
"Personally, I think Adelaide and Melbourne weren't as bad but like I said this has been a continuous thing at Sydney. I personally experienced it as well. They do tend to get nasty. I don't know why or for what reason."
Ashwin was surprised that the security personnel didn't round up the perpetrators at the first instance and let it linger for a long time.
"Unless people don't find the necessity to look at it in a different way, in fact I was surprised that a section in crowd continuously did and they were not made to surround or pulled up for it.
"They needed to be dealt with and yes, disappointing is actually a very mild word, I must say," he said
Ashwin then went on to narrate some of his own experiences on previous tours.
"If I take myself back to the first tour of 2011-12, I had no clue about racial abuse and how you were made to feel small in front of so many people and people actually laugh at you and another set of people who laugh along when these things happen. I had no idea at all what this was," he said.
"When you stood at the boundary line, you wanted to come in 10 yards inside to avoid all these things. As things have moved on and we have toured more and more, this has definitely been not acceptable," he said.
"So when Siraj brought it up, Ajinkya, Rohit and myself, we all got together and reported the matter to the umpires. A new boy like Siraj knows, this is a line someone cannot over-step. We were quite happy that these people were evicted," the eloquent Chennai man said.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ith-iron-fist-ashwin/articleshow/80197315.cms
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"It Is Upsetting And Disappointing," Says Justin Langer On India Players Facing Racial Abuse
Australia vs India: Australia coach Justin Langer said it was a shame that such a hard-fought series was tarnished by incidents like these.
Australia coach Justin Langer on Sunday called it a shame and one of his greatest "pet hates" after some spectators directed racial abuse at Indian players during the third Test here and were expelled from the Sydney Cricket Ground for their behaviour. Play was halted for a few minutes on the fourth day after visiting pacer Mohammed Siraj complained of racial abuse from a section of the crowd, leading to expulsion of some spectators and an unreserved apology from the host board
At the end of the day's play, multiple questions were directed at Langer on the issue and the former Australia opener stressed on education.
"I have just read a book on the history of Australia and watched some good documentaries a couple of times in the last few months. It's saddening, we are educating ourselves and it makes you feel very sad that people are subjected to racism," Langer said referring to the Australia's troubled history with regards the indigenous aboriginals. "When you start getting educated... About what has happened in the history of Australia you can understand why it's so hurtful," he added. The unsavoury incident on Sunday came a day after a drunk spectator at the SCG allegedly directed racial abuse at Jasprit Bumrah and Siraj. The BCCI has lodged a complaint with the ICC. Reacting to the two episodes of racism against the visiting team in as many days, Langer said it was a shame that such a hard-fought series was tarnished by incidents like these.
"Sorry, it is upsetting and it is disappointing," he asserted. "...it is one of my greatest pet hates in life, that people can think they can come to a sporting event, whether it is cricket or any kind and pay their money and think that they can abuse or so whatever they like.
"I mean, I have hated it as a player, I have hated it as a coach, we have seen in different parts of the world, it is really sad to see this happen in Australia," he said. Langer said it is especially frustrating when the cricket itself has been nothing less than exciting so far. "I think our series so far has been played in such great spirit, it has been incredible cricket, it has been brilliant to watch on field, it's been really played in good spirit between both the teams.
"It's a shame to see (the series) getting marred by incidents like that we are hearing about today and last night." Local media reported that six people were expelled from the SCG by the security during the nearly 10-minute halt in the on-ground proceedings.
During the second session of the fourth day, India players huddled in the centre when Siraj, standing at the square leg boundary, complained of abuse after being hit for two consecutive sixes by Cameron Green in his over. This prompted the security personnel to enter the stands and look for the mischief monger before a group of people was asked to leave the stands.
https://sports.ndtv.com/australia-v...mp=1&akamai-rum=off&__twitter_impression=true
Australia vs India: Australia coach Justin Langer said it was a shame that such a hard-fought series was tarnished by incidents like these.
Australia coach Justin Langer on Sunday called it a shame and one of his greatest "pet hates" after some spectators directed racial abuse at Indian players during the third Test here and were expelled from the Sydney Cricket Ground for their behaviour. Play was halted for a few minutes on the fourth day after visiting pacer Mohammed Siraj complained of racial abuse from a section of the crowd, leading to expulsion of some spectators and an unreserved apology from the host board
At the end of the day's play, multiple questions were directed at Langer on the issue and the former Australia opener stressed on education.
"I have just read a book on the history of Australia and watched some good documentaries a couple of times in the last few months. It's saddening, we are educating ourselves and it makes you feel very sad that people are subjected to racism," Langer said referring to the Australia's troubled history with regards the indigenous aboriginals. "When you start getting educated... About what has happened in the history of Australia you can understand why it's so hurtful," he added. The unsavoury incident on Sunday came a day after a drunk spectator at the SCG allegedly directed racial abuse at Jasprit Bumrah and Siraj. The BCCI has lodged a complaint with the ICC. Reacting to the two episodes of racism against the visiting team in as many days, Langer said it was a shame that such a hard-fought series was tarnished by incidents like these.
"Sorry, it is upsetting and it is disappointing," he asserted. "...it is one of my greatest pet hates in life, that people can think they can come to a sporting event, whether it is cricket or any kind and pay their money and think that they can abuse or so whatever they like.
"I mean, I have hated it as a player, I have hated it as a coach, we have seen in different parts of the world, it is really sad to see this happen in Australia," he said. Langer said it is especially frustrating when the cricket itself has been nothing less than exciting so far. "I think our series so far has been played in such great spirit, it has been incredible cricket, it has been brilliant to watch on field, it's been really played in good spirit between both the teams.
"It's a shame to see (the series) getting marred by incidents like that we are hearing about today and last night." Local media reported that six people were expelled from the SCG by the security during the nearly 10-minute halt in the on-ground proceedings.
During the second session of the fourth day, India players huddled in the centre when Siraj, standing at the square leg boundary, complained of abuse after being hit for two consecutive sixes by Cameron Green in his over. This prompted the security personnel to enter the stands and look for the mischief monger before a group of people was asked to leave the stands.
https://sports.ndtv.com/australia-v...mp=1&akamai-rum=off&__twitter_impression=true
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My point was, if a play is halted by players without intervention from on field umpires and match referee, then the team would be penalized. The halt was move forward with the approval from on field umpire and match referee. If you are stating the players took advantage of a situation, then it becomes a whole different subject which requires more dive in to ICC constitution of code of conduct.
You have misread my post.
As a couple of other posters confirmed, the alleged use of the word “monkey” excluded the possibility that the perpetrator was Australian. It’s essentially out of the question.
I then explored which other countries use the W word and the MF word.
W and MF are.
Monkey isn’t.
If people are going to concoct allegations of racism they should at least bother to learn what terms of racial abuse are used in the society that they are accusing.
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ICC statement
The International Cricket Council (ICC) has strongly condemned reported incidents of racism during the ongoing third Test match between Australia and India at the Sydney Cricket Ground and have offered Cricket Australia all necessary support in investigating the incidents.
ICC Chief Executive Manu Sawhney re-iterated the ICC’s zero-tolerance policy towards discrimination of any kind:
“There is no place for discrimination in our sport and we are incredibly disappointed that a small minority of fans may think that this abhorrent behaviour is acceptable. We have a comprehensive Anti-Discrimination Policy in place that Members have to abide by and ensure is adhered to by fans and we welcome the action taken by ground authorities and Cricket Australia today.
“We will provide Cricket Australia and the relevant authorities with our full support in any ensuing investigation as we will not tolerate any racism in our sport.”
Under the ICC Anti-Discrimination policy, Cricket Australia will now be required to investigate the issue and provide a report to the ICC on the incident and any action taken to ensure the issue has been dealt with appropriately.
The Indian cricket team had apprised ICC Match Referee David Boon of alleged racial abuse at the end of the third day’s play. Match and stadium officials were alert on the fourth day and as such play was halted and six people were evicted following another incident just before tea.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/1969386
The International Cricket Council (ICC) has strongly condemned reported incidents of racism during the ongoing third Test match between Australia and India at the Sydney Cricket Ground and have offered Cricket Australia all necessary support in investigating the incidents.
ICC Chief Executive Manu Sawhney re-iterated the ICC’s zero-tolerance policy towards discrimination of any kind:
“There is no place for discrimination in our sport and we are incredibly disappointed that a small minority of fans may think that this abhorrent behaviour is acceptable. We have a comprehensive Anti-Discrimination Policy in place that Members have to abide by and ensure is adhered to by fans and we welcome the action taken by ground authorities and Cricket Australia today.
“We will provide Cricket Australia and the relevant authorities with our full support in any ensuing investigation as we will not tolerate any racism in our sport.”
Under the ICC Anti-Discrimination policy, Cricket Australia will now be required to investigate the issue and provide a report to the ICC on the incident and any action taken to ensure the issue has been dealt with appropriately.
The Indian cricket team had apprised ICC Match Referee David Boon of alleged racial abuse at the end of the third day’s play. Match and stadium officials were alert on the fourth day and as such play was halted and six people were evicted following another incident just before tea.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/1969386
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How many decades has this been going on? Never dealt with it until the BLM movement and now so worried about their reputations they are forced to act. Its pathetic.
I hope India walk off the pitch next time it happens.
I hope India walk off the pitch next time it happens.
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Don’t think these were racial utterances.
Just good old fashioned Aussie sledging.
Just good old fashioned Aussie sledging.
We already know that from the Indian eyewitness and the NSW Police.
Now we are just dealing with opportunistic Fake News from Indian journalists who know nothing about Aussie racial slang and who somehow think that brown dog and monkey are expressions that could be used, and are inventing stories about that.
Yes, Indian journalists don’t have internet and don’t know how to search for Aussie racist slangs. I know the term curry-muncher from 2008 itself when I was in India, thanks to internet.
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I have been reading your posts and I must say I am pretty disappointed with your replies.
Get off your high horse mate. They are mature young men, Bumrah and Siraj and I am pretty sure they know what is a racial abuse and what is not.
Even Ashwin today and has came out and said the the abuse was of racist nature.
Being called a Brown Dog, is pretty racist. Who are you to decide and tell that is not racist?
If some one calls me that here, he is for sure getting reported to Police by me.
I don't need to remind you what the British Raj used to write in the restaurants in India.
I don’t think you’re listening.
Nobody disputes that the Indians were insulted - just like the English, the South Africans and the Kiwis in Australia.
But an Indian eyewitness seated BETWEEN the heckler and the player has confirmed that no racial insults were used.
Lots of Australians are racist, but they would never use an expression like “brown dog”, the very idea is ridiculous.
Clearly some Indians with a fevered imagination have been inventing insults. Because anyone who thinks “brown dog” is a term that an Australian would use is totally ignorant about how Aussies - even racist ones - talk.
You might be insulted if someone called you that - and you’d be 100% safe in Australia because literally NOBODY would use that term. Although they would possibly use the CM slur.
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I understand what you're saying and I agree with you at a technical level. I am not accusing you of anything, I am sorry if I came across that way. You're right that if the allegations by the Indian team are proven to have tinge of racism, then the perpetrators should be punished, and in case it is proven to be otherwise, then something needs to be done to deal with the accusers.
However, the timing and your tone sounded harsh at a time when racism is a sensitive issue; the present day courtesy is to believe the accuser and then carry on the investigation to confirm whether the accusations are true. It may not sound perfect and right, but in a way this is to correct historic injustice served to victims of racism, sexism etc. So to call the Indian players to be lying without a thorough investigation, because you felt that those words (monkey) would not have been uttered by the Aussie crowd, it sounded a little harsh to me.
Once again, not accusing you of anything and I really respect and admire you as a poster.
However, the timing and your tone sounded harsh at a time when racism is a sensitive issue; the present day courtesy is to believe the accuser and then carry on the investigation to confirm whether the accusations are true. It may not sound perfect and right, but in a way this is to correct historic injustice served to victims of racism, sexism etc. So to call the Indian players to be lying without a thorough investigation, because you felt that those words (monkey) would not have been uttered by the Aussie crowd, it sounded a little harsh to me.
Once again, not accusing you of anything and I really respect and admire you as a poster.
Thank you.
In my first post yesterday I believed that racist slurs had been used, although I was surprised that anyone would be stupid enough to do so in a 3/4 empty stadium in which the authorities know the name and address of each spectator, and where they are sitting.
The problem is that the alleged slurs “Big Monkey” and “Brown Dog” make no sense and are clearly not what a racist Aussie would say.
Even if they were insulting a West Indian or Aboriginal player as a “Monkey” they certainly wouldn’t use the adjective “Big” - that’s just not how Aussies talk. And anyway, 99.9999% of the time that they racially abuse Indians they call them “Curry Munchers”.
But neither the Indian team nor the Indian media would know that - which is why we have such absurd and unlikely slurs that that are claiming to have heard, without any mention of “Curry Muncher” at all.
I feel deeply uncomfortable, as if I am attacking the victims. But the words they allege they heard are so absolutely unlikely that I’m 95% certain that they were heckled, but are inventing the racial dimension.
It’s all very political now.
The NSW Police investigation found no evidence that the six removed spectators used racial slurs. The Channel 7 and Fox Sports boundary microphones have recorded no racist slurs on any day of the Test.
The Indian eyewitness attested that one of the ejected spectators yelled “Welcome to Sydney, Siraj”.
But the most powerful board in the ICC is acting as if racist slurs did occur. And Cricket Australia don’t want to embarrass them by publically contradicting them.
The NSW Police investigation found no evidence that the six removed spectators used racial slurs. The Channel 7 and Fox Sports boundary microphones have recorded no racist slurs on any day of the Test.
The Indian eyewitness attested that one of the ejected spectators yelled “Welcome to Sydney, Siraj”.
But the most powerful board in the ICC is acting as if racist slurs did occur. And Cricket Australia don’t want to embarrass them by publically contradicting them.
Probably something non Australians might not understand about Australians is that dogs are the most loved pet we have. In fact a very popular saying is dogs are a mans best friend, I'm not saying it wasn't said but it sounds weird to me that calling someone a dog is derogatory. It would be like a Indian calling me a white cow, it just sounds weird. One of the most popular Australian movies recently is call Red Dog which explains how much Australians adore dogs. And to give an example I actually have a brown dog (chocolate lab) so to me I struggle to see that as an insult but I'm not saying that it is acceptable to use that term to describe anyone.
Yes, Indian media don’t know what curry mucher is because they all live in caves with no internet.
I can show you American Youtubers pranking Indian scammers by saying choicest Hindi gaalis and even things like “Kashmir Banega Pakistan”. I don’t think you know how internet works.
Irrespective of how many justifications [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] give, there is no denying Australian crowds have notorious and nasty reputation over the years. They forget that just because something is banter and regular behaviour in Australian culture, it may not be acceptable for others.
At the same token, Indian crowds are no saint either. I have seen many racial taunts in Indian stadiums as well. Just because they use hindi or regional language, most foreigners dont understand. Also, racism is not only restricted to foreign cricketers in India. North Indians are racist to our Southern brothers and vice versa. 'Sambar', 'lungi' etc. are all used for South players. Similarly, North players are called as 'chapathi' and what not...lol.
Both Australian and Indian crowds need to learn good old behaviour from us Brits
At the same token, Indian crowds are no saint either. I have seen many racial taunts in Indian stadiums as well. Just because they use hindi or regional language, most foreigners dont understand. Also, racism is not only restricted to foreign cricketers in India. North Indians are racist to our Southern brothers and vice versa. 'Sambar', 'lungi' etc. are all used for South players. Similarly, North players are called as 'chapathi' and what not...lol.
Both Australian and Indian crowds need to learn good old behaviour from us Brits
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I agree with this, Indians are no saints when it comes to racial abuse. Some of the things that Indian crowds yell in the ground at the players, if the Aussies or the English or the worse, the South Africans can understand, they would lodge hundreds of complaints against Indian crowds.
Irrespective of how many justifications [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] give, there is no denying Australian crowds have notorious and nasty reputation over the years. They forget that just because something is banter and regular behaviour in Australian culture, it may not be acceptable for others.
At the same token, Indian crowds are no saint either. I have seen many racial taunts in Indian stadiums as well. Just because they use hindi or regional language, most foreigners dont understand. Also, racism is not only restricted to foreign cricketers in India. North Indians are racist to our Southern brothers and vice versa. 'Sambar', 'lungi' etc. are all used for South players. Similarly, North players are called as 'chapathi' and what not...lol.
Both Australian and Indian crowds need to learn good old behaviour from us Brits
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Not suprised australia is known for racism
Hopefully this is a wake up call for some indians who try to act western and white and think everyone loves india
Hopefully this is a wake up call for some indians who try to act western and white and think everyone loves india
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The incident needs to be looked at with absolute urgency and seriousness and strict action against the offenders should set things straight for once.</p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1348204430038994944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Monkeys are considered gods by many Indians but that didn’t stop them from using that as an insult against Symonds.
I lived six years in USA where people love and adore dogs but heard plenty of times that had been used in insults.
And it has been used as an insult in Australia too:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...pits-police-charged-assaulting-paramedic.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...er-hurls-abuse-masked-commuter-Melbourne.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ne...t/news-story/628e1cbadf94bfdd30fe6dfd4ebe81e8
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I think it shows a lack of mental strength and insecurity to just turn the other cheek and tell everyone else to move on just like you are doing right here
I didnt say it was OK to call someone that, its just that most Australians wouldent see it as a derogatory term, there are some that would and will try to insult someone but the majority of Australians wouldent pick up on the derogatory side. No one is denying that it is an insult. Labeling the majority based on the actions of a few is something I thought posters here absolutely denounced.
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Wasn't that what Lehmann said in 2003 when he was banned vs SL? Might be 'black' instead of ' brown'
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If it really was racial abuse then the perpetrators should be severely punished. It’s 2021. All racists deserve to be treated like the garbage that they are
Just because 'monkey' may not be a common racial insult in Australia, it doesn't mean that the Indians are lying. That is a pathetic thing to say. It has been a common racist trope used against black and brown people, so I wouldn't doubt it being used here. Most Indian players know English well enough to understand what has been said (I personally haven't heard Bumrah or Siraj speak English but I assume they have basic proficiency), and they would have nothing to gain by lying, and could be found out, so it's high-risk low-reward. I think it's just very silly to dismiss all this as a lie if the slur in question was anything but 'curry muncher'.
Isn't the 'P word' (unsure I can say it) used in Australia at all? Despite it being intended for Pakistanis, it is erroneously used for all South Asians in the UK.
Isn't the 'P word' (unsure I can say it) used in Australia at all? Despite it being intended for Pakistanis, it is erroneously used for all South Asians in the UK.
I didn’t say the entire Australians are racists. But there are definitely a few ( just like in any other country including India) and they’re quite capable of using “Dog” in an insult.
Can't believe people here are defending racism with the usual suspect leading the charge.
Quite disappointing to see some others too joining the usual suspect. As far as facing racism is concerned, we are in the same boat.
Quite disappointing to see some others too joining the usual suspect. As far as facing racism is concerned, we are in the same boat.
He was spanked for worse in IPL for years. And stayed back in Australia even after his dad died. So I think he has enough mental fortitude to handle few sixes from a rookie.
Lol and some lowlives are more concerned about 10 min which were wasted as a result of it.
Siraj complained due to him being hit for 6s, lol you can't go lower than accusing Siraj of faking the racial abuse directed at him as he wanted to get away from being hit.
Siraj complained due to him being hit for 6s, lol you can't go lower than accusing Siraj of faking the racial abuse directed at him as he wanted to get away from being hit.
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