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Moral Decline of Modern Western Civilisation?

They are not even tolerated under your dream idea of a governance. so please spare everyone.
 
MenInG said:
The West has many good things about it, morality aspect is not one that I admire.

As a Muslim who believes that every inch of this world and all other worlds belong to the Almighty, I will live wherever it is safe for my family and myself but I and others reserve the right to criticize any aspects that we see are wrong/not in favour of the greater good.
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What is the greater good and who defines it? We are talking about "immorality" in the west which I am sure if mostly directed at acceptance of homosexuality, liberalism, blah blah but somehow much bigger grievances rampant in the rest of the world are acceptable?

someone compared the law and order situation in the ME, well why dont you live in the ME? OHHH YES, THATS RIGHT, THEY DONT GIVE YOU REQUAL RIGHTS.. you can never be a citizen there, plus there is no democracy!
Need I go on?
 
Technics 1210 said:
For me its the sexulisation of women in the West that takes the biscuit. Liberals have no issue in their women being paraded as sexual objects, 'freedom' they cry, but when men look at said women, 'sexual harresment' they cry - yet in the same breath will criticise women who wish cover themselves in the name of dignity and respect.

We've read what liberals have to say on PP, their rebute is if a women covers herself by her own choice, then it's a lie because her husband is forcing her.

Liberalism must end. Different values, different races, different cultures, different opinions are merely tolerated under Liberalism, and not asimilated as per liberal fallacious claims.
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In France a woman can walk beaches naked but on some beaches a woman cannot sit covered up. I started a thread on this last year.
 
All these people crying about the west here are UK/CANADA/USA citizens. They are educated here. So they will get paid handsomely if they go to the gulf. And according to them a better lifestyle, more money. However none will leave. Hahahahahahha. Oh the hypocrisy. LMAO!!!!!
 
3 million single parent families in UK alone.

Why?

Near Half a MILLION have STDS a year in the UK?

Why?
 
SalimBhai said:
All these people crying about the west here are UK/CANADA/USA citizens. They are educated here. So they will get paid handsomely if they go to the gulf. And according to them a better lifestyle, more money. However none will leave. Hahahahahahha. Oh the hypocrisy. LMAO!!!!!
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This is poor logic and frankly very foolish.

Many are trying to change the society back to being better morally, running off is only for cowards. The only time you move nations if you need money as you did.
 
KingKhanWC said:
In France a woman can walk beaches naked but on some beaches a woman cannot sit covered up. I started a thread on this last year.
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Indeed, daylight fascism and hypocrisy. On one hand they preach women's rights, but on the other hand said rights do not apply to Muslim women.

To hell with France, I am quite please right wing ideologies are on the rise in France, and thank god UK left that racist and fascist political union called the EU.

The majority who are triggered in this thread do not live in the West, and are trying to turn this thread into a West vs. Pakistan/Islam debate.

Reason is they have no valuable input, just hate. Western Liberalism has infiltrated beyond the Western sphere!
 
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KingKhanWC said:
3 million single parent families in UK alone.

Why?

Near Half a MILLION have STDS a year in the UK?

Why?
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Divorce rates in the world by religion
Born-Again Christian: 27%
Jewish: 30%
Muslim: 31%
Protestant: 34%
 
Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries are safest countries for women. Its well documented.
 
SalimBhai said:
Divorce rates in the world by religion
Born-Again Christian: 27%
Jewish: 30%
Muslim: 31%
Protestant: 34%
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You are clutching at straws here. Muslim marriages are the most successful. Thats why Muslims have the highest birthrate in the world.
 
KingKhanWC said:
This is poor logic and frankly very foolish.

Many are trying to change the society back to being better morally, running off is only for cowards. The only time you move nations if you need money as you did.
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I would understand nobody likes everything about the countries they live in. And as a citizen you are fee to criticize and try to change from within. But all you talk is negative about your host country . Also that it will be total demise of UK in the coming future. By your posts you are cheering for the total demise. So my point is why not just move to places that you love and describe as being heaven on earth. You are educated and will get paid handsomely in GE countries. But you would never move.Ever!!!!. So that leads me to believe that most of things you are suggesting , maybe you dont believe yourself.
 
Try and fix immigration levels in the West - You're a racist!

Try and fix the economy with tightened regulations in the West - You're a socialist!

Try and fix income equality in the West - You're a communist!

Try and criticise foreign policy in the West - You're anything between an anti-semite to a terrorist sympathiser.

The effects of Liberalism. Until Liberalism is dead, the West is beyond repair.
 
KingKhanWC said:
3 million single parent families in UK alone.

Why?

Near Half a MILLION have STDS a year in the UK?

Why?
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Have you seen the rate of STD in Saudi? And how men then pass it on to their wives. one of the highest rate or cervical c a cars due to undiagnosed HPV in women?
 
szrana007 said:
You are clutching at straws here. Muslim marriages are the most successful. Thats why Muslims have the highest birthrate in the world.
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I dont need to clutch at straws. The stats are so overwhelming in the favor what I am advocating. Muslim marriages in Pakistan are so successful is because women have no rights. Even when they get beaten up they take it and suffer quietly. Please stop with your comparisons. It's laughable what you are suggesting.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Try and fix immigration levels in the West - You're a racist!

Try and fix the economy with tightened regulations in the West - You're a socialist!

Try and fix income equality in the West - You're a communist!

Try and criticise foreign policy in the West - You're anything between an anti-semite to a terrorist sympathiser.

The effects of Liberalism. Until Liberalism is dead, the West is beyond repair.
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How is the liberalism. I dont think you know what liberalism means
 
The only issues to go by here are sexual immorality, spread of STDs, lack of nuclear family, etc ... yes, I would say that is a problem in the west, although East is catching up fast too. But I would say these issues are peanuts compared to what one might see outside of the west. poor human rights, poor state of democracy, poor social systems in place, lack of justice for women, for instance. Women might opt to easily got for divorce in the west because they know their rights are protected, hence higher divorce rates whereas in the East, its still taboo, so women may choose to suffer rather than carry the stigma of being divorced.

There are so many things to pick off here. Yes West is not perfect, no place is perfect, they all have problems but let us not shake our heads at the "immorality" in the west like that, because there are far worst things happening elsewhere.
 
szrana007 said:
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/...ountries-where-people-feel-safest-Gallup-poll

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Rahaf Mohammed, the Saudi woman who managed to successfully flee her allegedly abusive family, has shed new light on the countless women trapped under the abusive male guardianship system in Saudi Arabia, Human Rights Watch said today. Women face systematic discrimination and are left exposed to domestic violence under the male guardianship system and have few places to turn when they face abuse, leading some women to undertake dangerous escape attempts to flee the country.

Under the male guardianship system, a man controls a Saudi woman’s life from her birth until her death. Every Saudi woman must have a male guardian, normally a father or husband, but in some cases a brother or even a son, who has the power to make a range of critical decisions on her behalf. The Saudi state essentially treats women as permanent legal minors. Saudi Arabia has done very little to end the system, which remains the most significant impediment to women’s rights in the country.

“Rahaf Mohammed’s courageous quest for freedom has exposed anew an array of discriminatory practices and policies that disempower Saudi women and leave them vulnerable to abuse,” said Michael Page, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman wants to be viewed as a women’s rights reformer, but Rahaf showed just how laughably at odds this is from reality when the authorities try to hunt down fleeing women and tortures women’s rights activists in prison.”

While other countries in the Middle East have elements of the male guardianship system, Saudi Arabia’s is the by far the most draconian in the extent of its laws and regulations, as well as the authorities’ efforts to apply them. Human Rights Watch has documented the impact of such laws and policies on the lives of women in its 2016 report, “Boxed In: Women and Saudi Arabia’s Male Guardianship System.” Below are 10 reasons why Saudi women flee their country.

10 Reasons Why Saudi Women Flee

No Freedom to Travel or Get a Passport
No country restricts the movement of its female population more than Saudi Arabia. Women cannot apply for a passport or travel outside the country without their male guardian’s approval, restrictions the Interior Ministry imposes and enforces. In practice, some women are prevented from leaving their homes without their guardian’s permission and guardians can seek a court order for a woman to return to the family home. Saudi Arabia did not allow women to drive cars until June 2018. The travel restrictions make it very difficult for Saudi women to flee the country. Many resort to hacking into their male guardian’s phone to change their travel permission settings or run away from family members while outside the country.

No Freedom to Choose Marriage Partner, and Child Marriages
Saudi authorities limit a woman’s ability to enter freely into marriage by requiring her to obtain the permission of a male guardian. A woman’s consent is generally given orally before a religious official officiating for the marriage, and both the woman and her male guardian are required to sign the marriage contract. Whereas men can marry up to four wives at a time.

Saudi law has no minimum marriage age, and Saudi media outlets continue to carry occasional reports of child marriages, including rare reports of girls as young as 8. On January 9, 2019, Saudi Arabia’s Shura Council, an advisory body, overwhelmingly passed a proposal setting the minimum age of marriage at 18, but leaving exceptions for girls ages 15 to 18 to marry with court approval. The proposal will become law only if promulgated by Saudi Arabia’s council of ministers.

Domestic Violence
As in other countries, many women in Saudi Arabia are subject to domestic violence. Over a one-year period ending October 13, 2015, the Ministry of Labor and Social Development reported that it encountered 8,016 cases of physical and psychological abuse, most involving violence between spouses. Saudi Arabia criminalized domestic violence in 2013, but activists have criticized the lack of implementation of the law.

Saudi Arabia’s National Family Protection Program estimates that 35 percent of Saudi women have experienced violence, yet the head of Saudi Arabia’s Human Rights Commission said that of the 1,059 cases referred to Saudi courts in 2017 involving violence against women, only 59 were for domestic violence. Guardianship makes it incredibly difficult for victims to seek protection or obtain legal redress. Human Rights Watch research has found that women occasionally struggle to report an incident to the police or access social services or the courts without a male relative.

Moreover, the male guardianship system facilitates domestic violence by granting male relatives a huge amount of control over women’s lives. Controlling a woman’s movements itself is a form of domestic violence that the government enforces.

Women who attempt to flee an abusive spouse or family can be arrested and returned to their families. If they flee or are referred to shelters, they are not allowed to leave unless they reconcile with family members or accept an arranged marriage. The shelters and the authorities do not facilitate women’s ability to live independently.

Employment Discrimination
Saudi Arabia has increased employment opportunities for women in recent years in areas previously closed to them. The Saudi government does not enforce formal guardianship restrictions on women wishing to work, but the authorities do not penalize private or public employers who require a guardian’s consent for women to work or restrict jobs to men. In addition, some professions, like judges and drivers, remain off limits to women, and strict sex segregation policies act as a disincentive to employers considering hiring women.

Healthcare Discrimination
A 2014 medical code of ethics prepared by a state institution declares that a woman’s consent should be sufficient to receive health care. In reality, however, the requirement for guardian permission is dependent on a particular hospital’s internal regulations, and the government does not penalize institutions that require consent. Human Rights Watch spoke with medical professionals at private hospitals that do not require guardian permission and others at public hospitals that require guardian permission for a woman to be operated on or admitted. Human Rights Watch has documented how requiring guardian approval for medical procedures has exposed women to prolonged pain or, in extreme cases, to life-threatening danger.

Inequality in Divorce, Child Custody, Inheritance
Like many other Muslim-majority countries, Saudi Arabia bases its personal law system on Islamic law. But unlike most other countries, Saudi Arabia has no written family law.

Women’s right to divorce is more restricted than for men. Men may unilaterally divorce their wives without condition. The man does not need to inform his wife that he intends to divorce her, nor must she be in court for her husband to obtain a divorce decree.

The authorities introduced a notification system in January that allows for women to be notified by text when a man registers his divorce in the courts. But woman’s rights activists report that men often unilaterally divorce women orally without documentation, leaving the woman to prove to the courts that their husbands have divorced them.

Women have no right to unilateral divorce and are subject to lengthier and more costly processes. Women either must seek a khul’ divorce, under which a man generally agrees to the divorce on the condition that a woman will pay back the full amount of her dowry, or a woman can apply to the courts for a fault-based divorce on limited grounds, and must prove the fault, such as mistreatment by the husband. As there is no personal status or family law, the judge determines whether there was mistreatment. Throughout divorce proceedings, a woman’s husband remains her guardian, with the authority to control her decisions.

While the courts may allow children to live with their mothers following a divorce, women have no right to be their children’s legal guardian. An activist who follows the issue said that girls usually are transferred to the father’s custody at age 7 and that boys may decide at age 9 which parent they want to live with.

In 2014, the authorities issued a positive ruling that when children are ordered to live with their mothers after divorce, she can obtain documents and conduct government business for them. The decision enabled women to register their children in schools, take them to health centers, and obtain identity documents for them. Fathers, however, maintain the right to grant travel permission for children or to authorize daughters’ marriages.

In matters of inheritance, as in most Muslim-majority countries, women are only entitled to inherit half of what male heirs inherit.

Challenges to Transferring Guardianship
In certain cases women may transfer legal guardianship from one male relative to another, but it is an extremely difficult legal process. Human Rights Watch research indicates that it is very difficult to transfer guardianship except for cases in which a woman can prove severe abuse or that the guardian is incapable of caring for her, for example due to old age. Even then, it can only be done through a court order and can be difficult to establish the requisite level of proof.

Restrictions on Leaving Prison and Shelters
Saudi prisons and juvenile detention centers only allow women to exit into the care of a male relative. Imprisoned women whose families refuse to release them are forced to remain in prison or in shelters until they reconcile with their families or obtain a new guardian, occasionally only after arranged marriages.

Restrictions on Studying Abroad
Unlike Saudi men, women cannot study abroad on a government scholarship without guardian approval and, while it is not always enforced, the rules officially require a male relative to accompany them throughout their studies abroad.

Political Repression
Under Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, Saudi authorities have intensified a coordinated crackdown on dissidents, human rights activists, and independent clerics. In 2018, this repression extended to the country’s leading women’s rights advocates who have advocated ending the male guardianship system. On May 15, just weeks before the Saudi authorities lifted the ban on women driving on June 24, authorities began arrests of prominent women’s rights activists and accused several of them of grave crimes like treason that appear to be directly related to their activism.

By November, at least 10 women remain detained without charge, though some anticipated charges could carry prison terms of up to 20 years. Human rights organizations began reporting in November that Saudi interrogators tortured at least four of the women, including by administering electric shocks, whipping the women on their thighs, and sexually harassing and assaulting them.
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SalimBhai said:
I can go on and on about the issues I have with certain things in the USA. However to say pakistan as a nation has superior morals than say the usa is absurd. Its so far from reality.
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You can go on an on but you didn't answer my question.
Please direct me to the public school district in USA where you were taught "morals, ethics and values" as part of your American public school education. I truly wanted to know this.

And no, I never said "Pakistan has superior morals than USA".
I only wrote about my experience of "morality being taught as part of education" during my childhood years in school.

Morality being "taught" as part of education vs having a high morality standard "practiced" in a social environment, are two different things. Isn't this very simple to understand?

As I stated, IMO most social problems and crimes in Pakistan (that has crossed horrible levels and has become deeply rooted into our DNA now) that you and I see, are primarily because of financial squeeze, lack of resources, explosive population and non-existing law and order.

When the stomach is empty and hungry than no lectures on morality and ethics, enters into the brain. This is the general issue of why morality (even though being taught in Pakistani schools) may not yield any fruits on the pragmatic level in our society.
 
SalimBhai said:
I would understand nobody likes everything about the countries they live in. And as a citizen you are fee to criticize and try to change from within. But all you talk is negative about your host country . Also that it will be total demise of UK in the coming future. By your posts you are cheering for the total demise. So my point is why not just move to places that you love and describe as being heaven on earth. You are educated and will get paid handsomely in GE countries. But you would never move.Ever!!!!. So that leads me to believe that most of things you are suggesting , maybe you dont believe yourself.
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Your idea is if you dont like leave. lol. This is slave mentality and Uncle Tomish attitude. You may feel you owe your life and morality because they let you in but I have lived in the west all my life ,to its my home and if I see immorality rising along with hypocrisy it will be called out.

I understand this is different for new immigrants.
 
SalimBhai said:
Have you seen the rate of STD in Saudi? And how men then pass it on to their wives. one of the highest rate or cervical c a cars due to undiagnosed HPV in women?
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There are more than half a million a year in Saudi getting STDs? Whatever you're smoking give me some.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
You can go on an on but you didn't answer my question.
Please direct me to the public school district in USA where you were taught "morals, ethics and values" as part of your American public school education. I truly wanted to know this.

And no, I never said "Pakistan has superior morals than USA".
I only wrote about my experience of "morality being taught as part of education" during my childhood years in school.

Morality being "taught" as part of education vs having a high morality standard "practiced" in a social environment, are two different things. Isn't this very simple to understand?

As I stated, IMO most social problems and crimes in Pakistan (that has crossed horrible levels and has become deeply rooted into our DNA now) that you and I see, are primarily because of financial squeeze, lack of resources, explosive population and non-existing law and order.

When the stomach is empty and hungry than no lectures on morality and ethics, enters into the brain. This is the general issue of why morality (even though being taught in Pakistani schools) may not yield any fruits on the pragmatic level in our society.
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I think I answered it. My son is reading philosophy in School. Does philosophy not teach morals???? Not ready literature not teach morals? Now in high school I dont think there is a class called MORAL 101. Ethics in college yes.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
You can go on an on but you didn't answer my question.
Please direct me to the public school district in USA where you were taught "morals, ethics and values" as part of your American public school education. I truly wanted to know this.

And no, I never said "Pakistan has superior morals than USA".
I only wrote about my experience of "morality being taught as part of education" during my childhood years in school.

Morality being "taught" as part of education vs having a high morality standard "practiced" in a social environment, are two different things. Isn't this very simple to understand?

As I stated, IMO most social problems and crimes in Pakistan (that has crossed horrible levels and has become deeply rooted into our DNA now) that you and I see, are primarily because of financial squeeze, lack of resources, explosive population and non-existing law and order.

When the stomach is empty and hungry than no lectures on morality and ethics, enters into the brain. This is the general issue of why morality (even though being taught in Pakistani schools) may not yield any fruits on the pragmatic level in our society.
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Some of the stuff you talk about here, isnt it the job of the parents to teach their children? I live in the US and I am 100% not relying on the schools here to teach some of this basic stuff to my children. I believe thats our job as parents to do it.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Your idea is if you dont like leave. lol. This is slave mentality and Uncle Tomish attitude. You may feel you owe your life and morality because they let you in but I have lived in the west all my life ,to its my home and if I see immorality rising along with hypocrisy it will be called out.

I understand this is different for new immigrants.
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I have been here over 30 years. So I dont consider myself new immigrant. I owe my host nation nothing more than a native born person. m Please stop with these childish claims.What I am saying is you dont find not a single quality of UK , from you posts over last 10 years or so. And you are cheering for the future of UK to be terrible , from your posts. And you are claiming the GE is heaven on earth , from your posts.. Now if I were you I would move. Nothing to do with these childish claims that you are making about new immigrant and god knows what else. it's total rubbish.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
You can go on an on but you didn't answer my question.
Please direct me to the public school district in USA where you were taught "morals, ethics and values" as part of your American public school education. I truly wanted to know this.

And no, I never said "Pakistan has superior morals than USA".
I only wrote about my experience of "morality being taught as part of education" during my childhood years in school.

Morality being "taught" as part of education vs having a high morality standard "practiced" in a social environment, are two different things. Isn't this very simple to understand?

As I stated, IMO most social problems and crimes in Pakistan (that has crossed horrible levels and has become deeply rooted into our DNA now) that you and I see, are primarily because of financial squeeze, lack of resources, explosive population and non-existing law and order.

When the stomach is empty and hungry than no lectures on morality and ethics, enters into the brain. This is the general issue of why morality (even though being taught in Pakistani schools) may not yield any fruits on the pragmatic level in our society.
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Also I would disagree with a society having low morals due to being poor. I have been to many countries which are poor but the society is not as bad as I see it in pakistan. I agree economics plays a part. But that's not everything.
 
Stewie said:
Some of the stuff you talk about here, isnt it the job of the parents to teach their children? I live in the US and I am 100% not relying on the schools here to teach some of this basic stuff to my children. I believe thats our job as parents to do it.
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what city?
 
Western civilization grew on a Christian backbone. An important part of that was strong families with faithful parents.

That spine has been rejected and replaced with godless hedonism.

The consequences are not at all surprising.

The end of western civilization.
 
End of western civilization? What stats do you have?
Pakistan the cradle of islam for rest of the world. What are the stats? What is the ranking?
 
Yes western civilization was built on christian fundamentals. But all societies evolve. At one point it was built of greek mythology also. Right. But they moved on. Since we have less christianity in our daily life.
We have more
women's rights, minority rights, religious freedoms, diversity and lets not forget the advances in science. Christians believe the world is 5000 years old
 
szrana007 said:
Western civilization grew on a Christian backbone. An important part of that was strong families with faithful parents.

That spine has been rejected and replaced with godless hedonism.

The consequences are not at all surprising.

The end of western civilization.
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This is hilarious stuff. I am getting the same feverish uncontrollable urge to laugh out loud I get when I see a visiting Imam at a mosque here sometimes talk about how America is the devil's playground, they after the khutba, they come to ask you how to file for asylum or green card.

Look no place is perfect, but laying the blame on the West for moral decay is wrong here when there are so many other major issues developing in the rest of the world.
 
Stewie said:
This is hilarious stuff. I am getting the same feverish uncontrollable urge to laugh out loud I get when I see a visiting Imam at a mosque here sometimes talk about how America is the devil's playground, they after the khutba, they come to ask you how to file for asylum or green card.

Look no place is perfect, but laying the blame on the West for moral decay is wrong here when there are so many other major issues developing in the rest of the world.
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I dont think anyone denies there are issues in USA/West. But to say GE is a better place than the west is absurd. I know the usual trolls are not moving to this paradise. But neither is anyone else from USA/West. Even when GE offers you more money and more benefits, hardly anyone leaves. Wonder why??
 
SalimBhai said:
I dont think anyone denies there are issues in USA/West. But to say GE is a better place than the west is absurd. I know the usual trolls are not moving to this paradise. But neither is anyone else from USA/West. Even when GE offers you more money and more benefits, hardly anyone leaves. Wonder why??
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What is GE? I am sorry I am not all in with the acronyms in use here.
 
SalimBhai said:
I have been here over 30 years. So I dont consider myself new immigrant. I owe my host nation nothing more than a native born person. m Please stop with these childish claims.What I am saying is you dont find not a single quality of UK , from you posts over last 10 years or so. And you are cheering for the future of UK to be terrible , from your posts. And you are claiming the GE is heaven on earth , from your posts.. Now if I were you I would move. Nothing to do with these childish claims that you are making about new immigrant and god knows what else. it's total rubbish.
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You are still an immigrant if you didnt grow up here since a baby.

I find many great qualities, read all my thousands of posts but unlike immigrants we dont have issues calling out the decline of the society we live in.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Liberals have a habit of making claims devoid of evidence.
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For sure.

Acc to ONS

"The number of domestic abuse crimes recorded by the police in England and Wales in the year ending March 2021 increased by 6%; from 798,607 in the year ending March 2020 to 845,734."

This was way lower 30 years ago.

Did you know when England lose domestic violence increases by nearly 40%!

Beating up your wife because England lost is very immoral.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You are still an immigrant if you didnt grow up here since a baby.

I find many great qualities, read all my thousands of posts but unlike immigrants we dont have issues calling out the decline of the society we live in.
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You keep on repeating the same stuff. I dont feel like an immigrant and people around can't tell if I was born here or not. So that's not an issue.And who says immigrants can't call out on issues. And who says they dont. Where are you getting all this from.....
 
SalimBhai said:
You keep on repeating the same stuff. I dont feel like an immigrant and people around can't tell if I was born here or not. So that's not an issue.And who says immigrants can't call out on issues. And who says they dont. Where are you getting all this from.....
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You can feel like a horse , it doesnt make you one.

Lets move on and not worry about you, this isnt social media to make friends.

You claimed immortally is more common in Saudi because of higher rates of STDs but cant back it up, please do.

What do you feel about the family structure? Do you think its great now schools are teaching Mommy loves Mommy along with Daddy loves Daddy brainwashing kids to think this is a normal family structure?
 
KingKhanWC said:
For sure.

Acc to ONS

"The number of domestic abuse crimes recorded by the police in England and Wales in the year ending March 2021 increased by 6%; from 798,607 in the year ending March 2020 to 845,734."

This was way lower 30 years ago.

Did you know when England lose domestic violence increases by nearly 40%!

Beating up your wife because England lost is very immoral.
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Oh 100%, all those drunk supporters at home, having a punt on England, then not only losing money, but their mind too! Poor women getting beats because of a football score; yet Liberalism pushes the mythical narrative that religion is the cause of all violence in the West!
 
szrana007 said:
Western civilization grew on a Christian backbone. An important part of that was strong families with faithful parents.

That spine has been rejected and replaced with godless hedonism.

The consequences are not at all surprising.

The end of western civilization.
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There should be a PP award for a golden post in a thread.

100% to the point, and factual.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Birth rates have nothing to do with successful marriages.
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There is a correlation between stable marriages and high fertility rates. For example western countries which lack family values have abysmally low birthrates.

Muslims have strong family values and stable marriages hence have higher fertility rates.
 
I never said it has highest rates of std. Junaid has a whole thread on this with facts and links. I dont care about is a woman moves another woman or a man loves another man. It's none of my business. Also I am not a homophobe like yourself.
 
szrana007 said:
There is a correlation between stable marriages and high fertility rates. For example western countries which lack family values have abysmally low birthrates.

Muslims have strong family values and stable marriages hence have higher fertility rates.
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Birth rates have to do with education of a woman . Even muslim women in the USA have lower birthrates than muslim women in native countries due to them being educated , If women is not working due to lack of education she has nothing better to do than have kids. i:bhattif she has a career the birthrate goes down. It's the same in Japan, Korea .
 
Technics 1210 said:
Oh 100%, all those drunk supporters at home, having a punt on England, then not only losing money, but their mind too! Poor women getting beats because of a football score; yet Liberalism pushes the mythical narrative that religion is the cause of all violence in the West!
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Millions of children live without their father.

According to one expert 1 in 50 dont know who their real biological father is! I also assume thousands are living with a man who they believe is their dad but isnt. This was never so bad 40 years ago in the UK. A great recipe for family structure crashing.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Millions of children live without their father.

According to one expert 1 in 50 dont know who their real biological father is! I also assume thousands are living with a man who they believe is their dad but isnt. This was never so bad 40 years ago in the UK. A great recipe for family structure crashing.
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Indeed.

Folks who think things are fine in West are generally the Godless/irreligious folks. You can see that on this thread also.

Even many native western people say West is declining morally. Things used to be classier and more orderly back in the days.
 
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sweep_shot said:
Indeed.

Folks who think things are fine in West are generally the Godless/irreligious folks.

Even many native western people say say West is declining morally. Things used to be classier and more orderly back in the days.
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So are you moving to Qatar or Saudi? The paradise?
 
szrana007 said:
There is a correlation between stable marriages and high fertility rates. For example western countries which lack family values have abysmally low birthrates.

Muslims have strong family values and stable marriages hence have higher fertility rates.
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what about the steretypical young white trash or poor kaali women who have 5 kids with 5 different fathers? I was just wondering where and how exactly those immoral women fit into this equation of yours.
 
SalimBhai said:
So are you moving to Qatar or Saudi? The paradise?
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It is not easy to move to Qatar or Saudi. You are making it sound like I can move there just like that.

For the record, I would love to move to Mecca or Medina provided I get a good job in KSA and I get residency/passport. I love the low crime and low taxe there. Not to mention Masjidul Haram.

I definitely believe gulf states are more appealing than western countries currently. They have low taxes, beautiful infrastructures, low crimes etc.
 
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sweep_shot said:
It is not easy to move to Qatar or Saudi. You are making it sound like I can move there just like that.

For the record, I would love to move to Mecca or Medina provided I get a good job in KSA and I get residency/passport. I love the low crime and low taxe there. Not to mention Masjidul Haram.

I definitely believe gulf states are more appealing than western countries currently. They have low taxes, beautiful infrastructures, low crimes etc.
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I dont know what you do, but a friend of mine also Bengali decent moved to Qatar this year. Computer programmer, 7-9 years of experience. They are paying him more than here in NYC. It's not tax free as he still has to pay USA taxes. His main reason to move was he wanted to be closer his sister who married and lived to Qatar. If you are American/canadian educated. It's pretty easy to move. Hell My gf got a job offer in Dubai when we did not have a child. It was an amazing compensation package with free housing and all.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Millions of children live without their father.

According to one expert 1 in 50 dont know who their real biological father is! I also assume thousands are living with a man who they believe is their dad but isnt. This was never so bad 40 years ago in the UK. A great recipe for family structure crashing.
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Worse, the single mothers sponge off the welfare state and who funds them? The taxpayer!

This never was the case 40 years ago!
 
sweep_shot said:
It is not easy to move to Qatar or Saudi. You are making it sound like I can move there just like that.

For the record, I would love to move to Mecca or Medina provided I get a good job in KSA and I get residency/passport. I love the low crime and low taxe there. Not to mention Masjidul Haram.

I definitely believe gulf states are more appealing than western countries currently. They have low taxes, beautiful infrastructures, low crimes etc.
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Not really its pretty straightforward esp if you are in IT/engineering, did you even try?
 
JaDed said:
Not really its pretty straightforward esp if you are in IT/engineering, did you even try?
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To be honest, I didn't try. But, I have a plan on moving to a gulf state at some point (preferably KSA).

Back to topic. I definitely believe you can find superior morality in gulf states than in America.
 
sweep_shot said:
To be honest, I didn't try. But, I have a plan on moving to a gulf state at some point (preferably KSA).

Back to topic. I definitely believe you can find superior morality in gulf states than in America.
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Well having lived in the gulf for a while let me shed some light. You are bengalí . You will be treated as **** for most of the time there. As third rate human . Unless you only Hang with other desis than u will be fine
 
SalimBhai said:
Well having lived in the gulf for a while let me shed some light. You are bengalí . You will be treated as **** for most of the time there. As third rate human . Unless you only Hang with other desis than u will be fine
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I live in Dubai and I am treated fine by the locals and the authorities here.
 
Years ago a friend of mine. Indian decent ( secular Hindu) born and raised in Texas, educated at london school of economics and Yale law and a corporate lawyer in nyc with years of experience. His company told him if would be open to go an work in Saudi for 2 years and if he did , when he comes back he will get a very big promotion and will be made partner in the firm in nyc. . The money was so good that he jumped on it. . He lasted 7-8 months . Quit and lived back. Reason the locals think he is Indian and treat him such . He could not believe it. Moved back and is happily living in nyc now
 
Heisenberg111 said:
I live in Dubai and I am treated fine by the locals and the authorities here.
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Years ago there was an article in khaleej times about what if someone dies say in a car accident. How much is their life worth. The state had some guidelines for blood money. The top were
Locals
Other gulf state people
Other middle eastern people
And at the very end wre desis (Muslims)
And the last desi Non Muslims and Philipinos
 
Heisenberg111 said:
The answer to all those questions is No, but I don't mind all that. I am enjoying my life here Alhamdulillah.
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So then you would say you are not equal. I know you don’t care as you are comfortable . But in reality you are 2nd or 3rd class citizen.
 
If any place in Asia has to be chosen I would say Singapore was the best has best of all the worlds morality, law etc but cannot be compared as its only a small country so easy to implement.

It’s the only place I would prefer over States, having proximity to home also helps.
 
JaDed said:
Right time to go to KSA, also on Saudi morality being better than Amreekan (lol)

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...-For-Saudi-Crown-Price-In-Khashoggi-Case.html
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So what? Amreekan Banking CEOs were granted immunity from prosecution during the 2008 financial crisis and they were responsible for more than just 1 death. UK government granted IRA terrorists immunity from prosecution, baked into the GFA.

Your post is the perfect example of Western hypocrisy and immorality.
 
Technics 1210 said:
So what? Amreekan Banking CEOs were granted immunity from prosecution during the 2008 financial crisis and they were responsible for more than just 1 death. UK government granted IRA terrorists immunity from prosecution, baked into the GFA.

Your post is the perfect example of Western hypocrisy and immorality.
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Yes..it is so its clear that the higher ups have the same morality , now on the average with day to day life I feel Westerners are better.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Are you talking from personal experience? Have you ever tried or just making stuff up?
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Ofcourse I have, when I was in Indian IT there was a pretty good presence in gulf esp KSA(we could search internal projects esp healthcare to apply).

I can’t speak on other domains etc. but it’s very straightforward for Canadian national’s that’s why I knew he hasn’t applied .
 
JaDed said:
Yes..it is so its clear that the higher ups have the same morality , now on the average with day to day life I feel Westerners are better.
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Yup, the day to day lives of the LGBT community would be better in the West, even same sex marriage is permitted now.

LGBT folk make a choice of a lifestyle and now they want the world to embrace and respect their choice? Good one! The declining West will of course appeal to their choices in the name of Liberalism.
 
JaDed said:
Ofcourse I have, when I was in Indian IT there was a pretty good presence in gulf esp KSA(we could search internal projects esp healthcare to apply).

I can’t speak on other domains etc. but it’s very straightforward for Canadian national’s that’s why I knew he hasn’t applied .
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You are comparing an application to the acceptance of an offer. Anyone, from any country can apply, being offered a role is a totally different ball game.

Moving to any country depends on risk appetite. If you are single and offered a job in the ME, it is easier to move than compared with someone who is married, than compared with someone who has children.
 
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