More than 130 British Imams refuse to perform funerals for London, Manchester attackers

[ExpressPacer]

Good decision by all these Imams.

 

[s28]

I think a message needed to be sent

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Well done to these Imams.

 

[Gilly]

Why on earth would they refuse.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Why on earth would they refuse.

Because those that carried out the attack weren't Muslim,as was evident through their actions.

 

[Gilly]

Because those that carried out the attack weren't Muslim,as was evident through their actions.

How can a imam decide they are not muslims?.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

How can a imam decide they are not muslims?.

But if the Imams did the funeral prayers they would be called terrorist sympathisers.

 

[Gilly]

But if the Imams did the funeral prayers they would be called terrorist sympathisers.

By whom?.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

By whom?.

By left wing politicians from different countries.

 

[Gilly]

By left wing politicians from different countries.

So the imams were just appeasing the left wing politicians.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

So the imams were just appeasing the left wing politicians.

No,what they did was common sense,what they should've done anyway,but if they did perform the funeral prayers,they would've been criticised.It's not that hard to comprehend really.

 

[Gilly]

No,what they did was common sense,what they should've done anyway,but if they did perform the funeral prayers,they would've been criticised.It's not that hard to comprehend really.

No I dont agree with that at all, even serial killers have funeral prayers by their religion in England. There has never been any backlash from anyone towards anyone for performing funeral prayers regardless of the deceased persons crimes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No I dont agree with that at all, even serial killers have funeral prayers by their religion in England. There has never been any backlash from anyone towards anyone for performing funeral prayers regardless of the deceased persons crimes.

But that deceased person probably was never linked to a highly visible community as publicly as the terrorists we are talking about. I do agree with you as it happens, but I can understand why the stand was taken, probably to protect themselves from criticism.

It's a slippery slope though, once you start judging who is or isn't a Muslim then you are going down the same path as the extremists that raise the terrorists. This is exactly what they do to minority sects.

 

[ExpressPacer]

[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] It's the Imam's choice. Simple as that.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Funeral prayers? Throw that piece of **** into the trash dump and be done with it.

 

[TahirFan]

In South Africa imams refused perform funeral prayers for Professor Kader Asmal because he was cremated

 

[Justcrazy]

Because those that carried out the attack weren't Muslim,as was evident through their actions.

They are Muslims.

Murder is a major sin , does not make a person kafir.

 

[Zaz]

I think its fair enough Any person that brings the religion into disrepute n makes life tough for muslims by their unislamic actions should suffer these consequencez

We should distance ourselves from these sorts of people n actions as much as possible n let this be a warning to anybody considering killing innocentz on mass

Not in my name or islams

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I think a message needed to be sent

Why on earth would they refuse.

Because those that carried out the attack weren't Muslim,as was evident through their actions.

In South Africa imams refused perform funeral prayers for Professor Kader Asmal because he was cremated

I think its fair enough Any person that brings the religion into disrepute n makes life tough for muslims by their unislamic actions should suffer these consequencez

We should distance ourselves from these sorts of people n actions as much as possible n let this be a warning to anybody considering killing innocentz on mass

Not in my name or islams

We are not here to appease West or Non Muslims.


We are supposed to follow Hazrat Mohammad Pbuh. He was Uswa e Hasana for all Muslims.


If a person who recites Kalima, slaughters halaal animals in halaal ways, faces Kaaba to offer prayers goes on rampage kills People or gang rapes or abuses children He does not become Non Muslim. Yes He did Kuffar. Yes He did Crime. Yes He did Huge Sin. He did Kuffar by disobeying Islamic teachings and orders but this does not throw him out of the fold of Islam. If he survives He should be punished as per Law of Land. God willing He will be punished in next life too unless God firgives him. He is evil, extrenist, terrorist but God does not give any human being the authority to declare him Non Muslim. It is only God's perogative and we are neither God nor Mini God to pass verdicts about Faith and give certificates.


His funeral should have been offered at all Cost. Not offering his funeral won't end terrorism. To end terrorism you will have to crush concept & beliefs of bloody messiah, blood thirsty Messiah & Serial killer Messiah doctrines. You will have to give Fatwaz worlwide through Mosques and media that only Jehaad will be done by Law enforcing authoroties of Muslim countries when there is a state of war and they have to defend their country while private Armies, Malaysias, military outfits etc all are Haraam and Unislamic and they are all enemies of those countries and enemies of World. You have to Crush the extremist narratives.


You have to tell the World that as per Holy Quran Hazrat Ali RA was the Last Caliph to govern a State ever in history of World. With that governance based Caliphood ended forever and as per He Pbuh prophecies and writings of Reformers of Islam the later day Khilafatt will be Spiritual only and will have zero role in governing a State or controlling a region hence Bokoharaam, Shabaab Milli, ISIS, ISIL, TTP, AL QAIDA etc need to throw arms and accept supremacy of Laws of respective countries.


Save young men like me to be recruited in these fake Armies of Fake Caliphs and Fake Jehadis. Destroy these Unislamic extremist doctrines and ideologies.


Not offering Janaza (Funeral) is just appeasing West, Non Muslims, Aethiests etc. It is not a practice of our Prophet Pbuh.


You people ? Read Islam kindly. Hazrat Umar RA did not want He Pbuh to offer Funeral of a person but my role model not only offered his funeral but gave his tunics aswell for his burial. He was Abdullah bin Ubai Salool.

When Abdullah Salool died his son asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) if he could give one of his tunics in which Salool could be buried. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) gave him a tunic and also led the funeral Prayer of Abdullah Salool. Hadhrat Umer (may Allah be pleased with him) remarked to the Prophet that he knew of everything regarding the hypocrites and also that even if they did Istaghfar (seeking forgiveness) seventy times, it would not be accepted. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) replied that there was leeway in this matter and that he would try and say Istaghfar more than seventy times for Abdullah Salool.


There is no tradition or orders of He Pbuh or His 4 Righteous Caliphs for not offering funeral of a terrorist so let's not manufacture our own Islam.

No matter how big a sinner a Muslim is, his burial when he dies will be carried out as per Islamic traditions and practices and funeral is the main part.

 

[Third_Umpire]

We are not here to appease West or Non Muslims.


We are supposed to follow Hazrat Mohammad Pbuh. He was Uswa e Hasana for all Muslims.


If a person who recites Kalima, slaughters halaal animals in halaal ways, faces Kaaba to offer prayers goes on rampage kills People or gang rapes or abuses children He does not become Non Muslim. Yes He did Kuffar. Yes He did Crime. Yes He did Huge Sin. He did Kuffar by disobeying Islamic teachings and orders but this does not throw him out of the fold of Islam. If he survives He should be punished as per Law of Land. God willing He will be punished in next life too unless God firgives him. He is evil, extrenist, terrorist but God does not give any human being the authority to declare him Non Muslim. It is only God's perogative and we are neither God nor Mini God to pass verdicts about Faith and give certificates.


His funeral should have been offered at all Cost. Not offering his funeral won't end terrorism. To end terrorism you will have to crush concept & beliefs of bloody messiah, blood thirsty Messiah & Serial killer Messiah doctrines. You will have to give Fatwaz worlwide through Mosques and media that only Jehaad will be done by Law enforcing authoroties of Muslim countries when there is a state of war and they have to defend their country while private Armies, Malaysias, military outfits etc all are Haraam and Unislamic and they are all enemies of those countries and enemies of World. You have to Crush the extremist narratives.


You have to tell the World that as per Holy Quran Hazrat Ali RA was the Last Caliph to govern a State ever in history of World. With that governance based Caliphood ended forever and as per He Pbuh prophecies and writings of Reformers of Islam the later day Khilafatt will be Spiritual only and will have zero role in governing a State or controlling a region hence Bokoharaam, Shabaab Milli, ISIS, ISIL, TTP, AL QAIDA etc need to throw arms and accept supremacy of Laws of respective countries.


Save young men like me to be recruited in these fake Armies of Fake Caliphs and Fake Jehadis. Destroy these Unislamic extremist doctrines and ideologies.


Not offering Janaza (Funeral) is just appeasing West, Non Muslims, Aethiests etc. It is not a practice of our Prophet Pbuh.


You people ? Read Islam kindly. Hazrat Umar RA did not want He Pbuh to offer Funeral of a person but my role model not only offered his funeral but gave his tunics aswell for his burial. He was Abdullah bin Ubai Salool.

When Abdullah Salool died his son asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) if he could give one of his tunics in which Salool could be buried. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) gave him a tunic and also led the funeral Prayer of Abdullah Salool. Hadhrat Umer (may Allah be pleased with him) remarked to the Prophet that he knew of everything regarding the hypocrites and also that even if they did Istaghfar (seeking forgiveness) seventy times, it would not be accepted. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) replied that there was leeway in this matter and that he would try and say Istaghfar more than seventy times for Abdullah Salool.


There is no tradition or orders of He Pbuh or His 4 Righteous Caliphs for not offering funeral of a terrorist so let's not manufacture our own Islam.

No matter how big a sinner a Muslim is, his burial when he dies will be carried out as per Islamic traditions and practices and funeral is the main part.

Sorry to say, but to hell with all this.

That man was an animal, not a human being. He thought it was ok to take innocent life. Like I said, throw him into the trash dump and be done with it.

 

[Junaids]

So the imams were just appeasing the left wing politicians.

No, they are appeasing right-wing public opinion in the UK - like me.

Personally I wouldn't even offer them funerals. I'd make it clear that suicide bombers' bodies remain the property of the state, and will be disposed of privately however we see fit.

It has been an established principle for decades - think of Hitler, or Bin Laden - that monsters forfeit their right to a religious exit. They are disposed of with no ceremony whatsoever.

I accept what [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] states the Muslim religion says Muslim scripture, tradition and faith says Muslims should do with the bodies of dead Muslims.

That's why I wouldn't give these people's bodies back to Imams for burial at all. They forfeited that right when they blew up children.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

People can't have it both ways - if you say a terrorist has no religion and has nothing to do with Islam (I lean towards this argument although I must admit I didn't always feel this way) you can't then grant them an Islamic funeral once they've carried out their evil deeds.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

People can't have it both ways - if you say a terrorist has no religion and has nothing to do with Islam (I lean towards this argument although I must admit I didn't always feel this way) you can't then grant them an Islamic funeral once they've carried out their evil deeds.

Hit the nail on the head

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Sorry to say, but to hell with all this.

That man was an animal, not a human being. He thought it was ok to take innocent life. Like I said, throw him into the trash dump and be done with it.

For me that Man was Evil, Barbarian, Extremist, terrorist, in humane terrorist. If caught alive he just deserved death penalty for his actions.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

People can't have it both ways - if you say a terrorist has no religion and has nothing to do with Islam (I lean towards this argument although I must admit I didn't always feel this way) you can't then grant them an Islamic funeral once they've carried out their evil deeds.

Which is fine if you adopt the principle that these people are now outside Islam completely, in other words Kafir. Quite just in a way as that is how they probably view other Muslims who don't conform to their viewpoints. I am just wondering what would be the differentiating factor which would make them outside Islam as opposed to someone who tortured and killed twenty children for example? Is there any official verdict on this or is it just individual choice?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Which is fine if you adopt the principle that these people are now outside Islam completely, in other words Kafir. Quite just in a way as that is how they probably view other Muslims who don't conform to their viewpoints. I am just wondering what would be the differentiating factor which would make them outside Islam as opposed to someone who tortured and killed twenty children for example? Is there any official verdict on this or is it just individual choice?

That's an interesting point - does Islam have anything similar to the catholic concept of excommunication or the jewish concept of herem?

 

[TM Riddle]

Its clear that these Imams did it to appease the right wingers who have been demanding that moderate muslims take a firm stand when it comes to Islamic terrorism.
Don't see why the same people are having issues now.To me this was the best they could do.Couldn't think of a better way to dissociate themselves from those vermin.Guess its damned if you do kinda situation for British Muslims here.

 

[moghul]

Why on earth would they refuse.

I'm worried about you and very disappointed with your question.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Are Imams doing something about shutting down their radicalization factories aka Madarsas?