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There isn't much love lost for Moroccan Muslims in France so will be interesting to see the reaction if Morocco wins the SF.

Could be a dangerous time for Muslims - lets see and hope it works out ok
 
Hope Morocco wins. France is an amazing offensive team, Morocco is a very good defensive team. Lets see
 
Laila Sarrazin and her French husband Fabrice Sarrazin started their preparations for the semi-final match of the World Cup between Morocco and France which will take place on Wednesday.

They prepared the flags of Morocco and France, the jerseys. They also decided to prepare Moroccan and French dishes with Moroccan tea.

According to Laila and Fabrice, the atmosphere will be great even if everyone supports different teams.

In Casablanca, the economic capital of Morocco, the atmosphere was everywhere and everyone, including the French was talking about this match.

For most young Moroccans who dreamed of immigrating to France, they decided to support Morocco at the World Cup.

Moroccans used to follow France, for example most Moroccans speak French everyday.

But with the tension in relations between Morocco and France, Moroccans started to detach themselves a little from France.

The victory in the semi-final for the Moroccans would be considered as a second independence day.

https://www.africanews.com/2022/12/12/world-cup-excitement-in-morocco-ahead-of-france-tie/
 
PARIS, Dec 10 (Reuters) - French police fired tear gas on the Champs Elysees in Paris as fans were celebrating victories by France and Morocco in the World Cup, sending them to the tournament’s semi-finals.

Thousands of supporters had filled the famous Parisian avenue soon after the match between Morocco and Portugal, chanting, waving flags and honking their horns amid large police deployment. More joined them after France's win against England.

Reuters TV footage showed people smashing shop ventures and fights with police. Some fires could also be seen on avenue de Friedland close to the Champs Elysees.
 
Lets not yet ahead of ourselves. Mbappe is different class and England had Walker.

Another miracle is possible but shouldn't be too different to Spain but could emukate Brussels
 
Lets not yet ahead of ourselves. Mbappe is different class and England had Walker.

Another miracle is possible but shouldn't be too different to Spain but could emukate Brussels

In Mbappe we trust, after Ronaldo, I am rooting for France but England also had Harry McQuigreee.
 
The French far-right politicians would use this opportunity to attack the North African Muslim community in France and tell everyone how they've failed to "integrate" with everyone else.

I wonder if Marine Le Pen has ever addressed those ill fated racist comments made by her father about the French World Cup teams of the past "having too many non-white players"?
 
What do you mean how will they take it? Just walk away after the match is over all upset and in tears. The French media will be very harsh on them losing to a supposedly much inferior side.
 
They have no other choice but to accept it.

They may whine for a bit but everyone should eventually move on.
 
Come on Morocco.

Go for the 1-0 win v France and then 2-1 v Argentina in the Final.

Bring it home.

Then host 2030.
 
What do you mean how will they take it? Just walk away after the match is over all upset and in tears. The French media will be very harsh on them losing to a supposedly much inferior side.

The French far-right politicians would use this opportunity to attack the North African Muslim community in France and tell everyone how they've failed to "integrate" with everyone else.

I wonder if Marine Le Pen has ever addressed those ill fated racist comments made by her father about the French World Cup teams of the past "having too many non-white players"?

There will be issues for Muslims if this happens.
 
Morocco boss Walid Regragui, speaking about his country's supporters before Wednesday's World Cup semi-final against France:

"We will bring 20,000 fans. These are crazy guys. They are the best fans in the world and tomorrow we will introduce them to the world. They are the best fans."

On his dual heritage after being born in France: "Yes I was born in France. I am a dual national and that is an honour and a pleasure. It does not matter who we are playing, we want to make the final.

"It is a challenge to play the best team in the world. It doesn't matter who we are playing when we play for Morocco - we are Morocco.

"It is a football match, a festival of football. If it is Morocco or France who wins, I am sure many of those dual nationals will be happy either way."
 
If Morocco beat France & go onto win the World Cup, the Muslim football fans will be insufferable & as usual, football fans in Pakistan will be leading the way even though have nothing to do with it.

We will not hear the end of it. It will be labeled as a “victory for Islam”. I really hope France beats them & puts an end to this.
 
If Morocco beat France & go onto win the World Cup, the Muslim football fans will be insufferable & as usual, football fans in Pakistan will be leading the way even though have nothing to do with it.

We will not hear the end of it. It will be labeled as a “victory for Islam”. I really hope France beats them & puts an end to this.

They wouldn’t be more insufferable then fans of teams which abuse alcohol and drugs.

Also, didn’t Pakistan support Morocco’s independence and helped influence it ? I would think the relations between the two are good
 
If Morocco beat France & go onto win the World Cup, the Muslim football fans will be insufferable & as usual, football fans in Pakistan will be leading the way even though have nothing to do with it.

We will not hear the end of it. It will be labeled as a “victory for Islam”. I really hope France beats them & puts an end to this.

This is such a horrible take lmao, rooting against a country because of their religion really shows how close-minded you are, you're no better than those people you claim will be "insufferable"

Nobody is labeling this as a victory for Islam that's such a reach, I've seen people mention they are the first Muslim/African country to reach the Semi's but I have not heard anyone label it as a victory for Islam, this is sports it has nothing to do with religion, if it's been mentioned it's only due to the historical significance. Yes people are hyped but that's because of the historical significance, because Morocco is ONLY the 3rd team ever outside of Europe/South America to qualify for the Semi's.

In 2002 when South Korea became the first Asian team to qualify for the Semi's were people insufferable for brining up that point? If something happens for the first time especially in an event as big as the world cup of course it will be talked about. You clearly have no idea what you are taking about, and are hating just to hate at this point.

If in 2022 you are hating on a country because of their religion and want them to lose then cool that's your opinion say that, but don't twist it to say others are being insufferable, clearly the only one that will be insufferable if they win is you.
 
They wouldn’t be more insufferable then fans of teams which abuse alcohol and drugs.

Also, didn’t Pakistan support Morocco’s independence and helped influence it ? I would think the relations between the two are good

According to him abusing alcohol/drugs is better than seeing a headline in the news that a Muslim country won the world cup because reading that would be insufferable to him. I find it really ironic that in 2022 someone is allowed to hate on religion so much on a public forum and nothing is done about it.
 
According to him abusing alcohol/drugs is better than seeing a headline in the news that a Muslim country won the world cup because reading that would be insufferable to him. I find it really ironic that in 2022 someone is allowed to hate on religion so much on a public forum and nothing is done about it.

There is mainly a priority for the ratings and protecting the main event mafia :)) But beyond that, if one identifies as a Muslim, to spew so much hatred is bizarre, I can’t understand how one can live with so much sourness
 
This is such a horrible take lmao, rooting against a country because of their religion really shows how close-minded you are, you're no better than those people you claim will be "insufferable"

Nobody is labeling this as a victory for Islam that's such a reach, I've seen people mention they are the first Muslim/African country to reach the Semi's but I have not heard anyone label it as a victory for Islam, this is sports it has nothing to do with religion, if it's been mentioned it's only due to the historical significance. Yes people are hyped but that's because of the historical significance, because Morocco is ONLY the 3rd team ever outside of Europe/South America to qualify for the Semi's.

In 2002 when South Korea became the first Asian team to qualify for the Semi's were people insufferable for brining up that point? If something happens for the first time especially in an event as big as the world cup of course it will be talked about. You clearly have no idea what you are taking about, and are hating just to hate at this point.

If in 2022 you are hating on a country because of their religion and want them to lose then cool that's your opinion say that, but don't twist it to say others are being insufferable, clearly the only one that will be insufferable if they win is you.

Well said. Mamoon as usual putting an extreme religious spin on what is no more than a football match. If Morocco win it won't be a victory for Islam any more than if France win, it will be a victory for atheism.

On the prospect of trouble, as far as I know French fans aren't usually violent like you might get in other parts of Europe, and Moroccan fans seem mostly just deliriously happy. I think France will be too strong on the night anyway so maybe that will dampen any fervour which might get out of hand among Moroccan fans.
 
If Morocco beat France & go onto win the World Cup, the Muslim football fans will be insufferable & as usual, football fans in Pakistan will be leading the way even though have nothing to do with it.

We will not hear the end of it. It will be labeled as a “victory for Islam”. I really hope France beats them & puts an end to this.

Football fans in Pakistan don't represent the entire Muslim world.

But yes I can envisage people in Pakistan making this a victory for Islam because it's a country filled by uneducated religious nutcases.

It's not just Muslims who want Morocco to win the World Cup. In fact I'd argue most non-French people want Morocco to win tomorrow because it would make a wonderful story of an underdog coming out on top against all the odds. Just like when Leicester City won the Premier League.

Make no mistake, Morocco deserved to beat Belgium, Canada, Spain and Portugal because they had the most goal scoring opportunities in each of those games. None of those matches were flukes. They've earned their Semi-Final spot by merit.

I hope they can go all the way because what it would do is inspire a generation of Moroccan and other African/Arab people to achieve success whether it be in football, sports or in any other field.

Arabs are the laziest people on the planet and it's about time they get off their backside and start making a name for themselves (outside of their oil wealth).
 
So every other Muslim country which enjoys a Morocco win will do it for sheer happiness, but Pakistanis are religious nutjobs who will consider it part of an Islamic victory against Crusaders. :91: I wonder if other national websites are filled with similar hate filled weirdos?
 
So every other Muslim country which enjoys a Morocco win will do it for sheer happiness, but Pakistanis are religious nutjobs who will consider it part of an Islamic victory against Crusaders. :91: I wonder if other national websites are filled with similar hate filled weirdos?
:babar
 
Hope Moroccans in France won;t celebrate it on the street of Paris and other cities, like they did in Brussels after beating Belgium and led to riots .
 
So every other Muslim country which enjoys a Morocco win will do it for sheer happiness, but Pakistanis are religious nutjobs who will consider it part of an Islamic victory against Crusaders. :91: I wonder if other national websites are filled with similar hate filled weirdos?

Yes, I saw something like this " Muslim forces advanced through Morocco and conquered Spain now marching towards conquer Portugal and then France " it was funny, I guess.
 
The Morocco team & the fans are playing the Muslim card too, celebrating with Palestinian flag. FIFA should ban such political exhibitions.

Maybe France should celebrate with Israeli flag after they make end Morocco’s dream & celebrate their strong ties with Israel.
 
So every other Muslim country which enjoys a Morocco win will do it for sheer happiness, but Pakistanis are religious nutjobs who will consider it part of an Islamic victory against Crusaders. :91: I wonder if other national websites are filled with similar hate filled weirdos?

Read my post again. I said Muslim football fans will be insufferable if Morocco wins the World Cup with Pakistani fans leading the way.

Not just Pakistani fans but other Muslim fans will play the Islam card too, but it’s just that Pakistani fans take it to the next level.

Morocco itself is playing the Islam card by celebrating with the Palestine flag.

I think one can understand why Pakistani fans go overboard. Pakistan is a spectacular failure when it comes to sporting achievements, so whenever a Muslim team or a Muslim athlete succeeds, they start puffing their chests & bring Islam to the table even though they have nothing to do with their success.

They made Khabib an Islamic hero as well.
 
Muslims are still reeling from the psychological shock of having lost superpower status in the world.

As a result, they are left with no choice but to relate petty success in sports or any other field to the glory of Islam.

It is a neurosis imbedded in the collective subconscious of Muslim ummah. I’m pointing fingers at Pakistan here because most of the Arab fans & media are viewing at a success of North African/Arab world in addition to a triumph of Islam while Pakistan is purely looking at it from the lens of Islam.
 
The Morocco team & the fans are playing the Muslim card too, celebrating with Palestinian flag. FIFA should ban such political exhibitions.

Maybe France should celebrate with Israeli flag after they make end Morocco’s dream & celebrate their strong ties with Israel.

The sense of Pan Islamism and brotherhood is strong amongst Muslims, thats why they are happy in each other's success.

You can hate Islam all you want but Muslim brotherhood is here to stay.
 
So every other Muslim country which enjoys a Morocco win will do it for sheer happiness, but Pakistanis are religious nutjobs who will consider it part of an Islamic victory against Crusaders. :91: I wonder if other national websites are filled with similar hate filled weirdos?

Agreed with such "Pakistanis" who needs enemies, lol
 
Win or lose, there may be some trouble but hope the majority of Moroccans in Europe celebrate their amazing achievement of reaching this far in a happy and tolerant manner.

Come on Morocco!
 
Chances of that happening is nill..France are favourites to win this tournament.
 
Read my post again. I said Muslim football fans will be insufferable if Morocco wins the World Cup with Pakistani fans leading the way.

Not just Pakistani fans but other Muslim fans will play the Islam card too, but it’s just that Pakistani fans take it to the next level.

Morocco itself is playing the Islam card by celebrating with the Palestine flag.

I think one can understand why Pakistani fans go overboard. Pakistan is a spectacular failure when it comes to sporting achievements, so whenever a Muslim team or a Muslim athlete succeeds, they start puffing their chests & bring Islam to the table even though they have nothing to do with their success.

They made Khabib an Islamic hero as well.

I wasn't replying to your post, was replying to your fan boy who is allegedly not a Pakistani but from a different country with a huge nationalistic chip on his shoulder.
 
This is such a horrible take lmao, rooting against a country because of their religion really shows how close-minded you are, you're no better than those people you claim will be "insufferable"

Nobody is labeling this as a victory for Islam that's such a reach, I've seen people mention they are the first Muslim/African country to reach the Semi's but I have not heard anyone label it as a victory for Islam, this is sports it has nothing to do with religion, if it's been mentioned it's only due to the historical significance. Yes people are hyped but that's because of the historical significance, because Morocco is ONLY the 3rd team ever outside of Europe/South America to qualify for the Semi's.

In 2002 when South Korea became the first Asian team to qualify for the Semi's were people insufferable for brining up that point? If something happens for the first time especially in an event as big as the world cup of course it will be talked about. You clearly have no idea what you are taking about, and are hating just to hate at this point.

If in 2022 you are hating on a country because of their religion and want them to lose then cool that's your opinion say that, but don't twist it to say others are being insufferable, clearly the only one that will be insufferable if they win is you.

I think you are mistaken. There is another thread on this topic on this forum where people have chosen those all Islamic teams . There are people who have made comments about colonized putting colanizwr in place ( Portugal vs morocco). , there have been comments about retaking of andaluz ( I honestly donÂ’t know what that means even). I am cheering for morocco. Because they are an underdog against the world champions. ItÂ’s just a soccer game. Leave religion, tribalism , colonization past history out of it and enjoy.
 
Never mind the fireworks and deafening pop music that await at Al Bayt stadium — the real pre-match show for the World Cup semi-final between Morocco and France was provided on Tuesday by Walid Regragui.

The 47-year-old coach of the first African and first Arab team to reach the last four of the World Cup took full advantage of the chance to address the world’s football press in a Doha auditorium, the day before the clash with Didier Deschamps’ team.

The Moroccan exuded pride, optimism, defiance and humour in a refreshing contrast to the usual drone of non-commital cliches that coaches ritually role out before big games.

He mocked the game’s modern focus on possession, ridiculed the ‘Expected Goals’ stats and laughed in the face of those who wrote of his team before they eliminated Spain and Portugal.

But along with the quickfire responses and talking points, there was a defiant refusal to play the role of the satisfied minnow and an evidently burning belief that his team can beat France and then do it again against Argentina or Croatia in Sunday’s final.

“We want to win the World Cup,” he said, “It’s not just words, we have to go further, maybe we won’t have another opportunity,” he said.

“We are not the favourites but we are confident — maybe that makes me mad, crazy? A bit of crazy can be good,” he said with a grin.

Having already dubbed his team as “the Rocky Balboa of this World Cup” after they knocked out Portugal in the quarter-finals, Regragui was not pulling any punches.

Asked whether his team will continue in the same style, which has seen opponents enjoy plenty of possession, he was unapologetic about his team’s approach.

“We will play to our strengths … this idea of possession, it is amazing how football journalists love these figures about 60-70 per cent possession, but it is no good if there are only two shots on goal,” he said, perhaps recalling Spain’s 77pc possession and one shot on target against his team.

“The expected goals too …‘we should have won, we had 4pc expected goals’… Well, we are here to win, that’s all,” he said.

“If France give us possession, we will take it but I don’t think they will. So we will try to stop them,” he added.

If Morocco’s application of the well-established strategy of mass defence and rapid counter-attack is not in fashion at the moment, statistics certainly are and Regragui has little time for focusing on numbers.

“Let’s stop with the statistics. I’m going to ask [FIFA President] Gianni Infantino to add points for beyond 60pc possession,” he added.

“We had a 0.01pc chance of winning the World Cup at the start,” he said before a reporter told him the probability is now rated at 12pc.

“We are at 12pc now? Well, praise be to Allah. We will work on that.” Regragui suggested that his team was being criticised, in part, for refusing to play the role of the entertaining losers.

“European journalists criticise our style, I think it bothers them to see an African team playing as they do.

“They like to see a dance and see [winger Sofiane] Boufal doing two nutmegs and then going back home,” he said.

Indeed, though, not even the most critical could question Morocco’s determination and work rate along with their defensive resilience.

“The key for us is spirit, we play a quality game every time with a good spirit. For me the spirit is the most important thing in football — we have to play with the heart and the spirit,” he said.

Born in France, in what he called a “difficult” suburb south-east of Paris, Regragui spent the bulk of his playing career in France before moving to Morocco to coach. He only took over the national team in August.

It has been a short reign so far but his impact — and that of his team — has been enormous, resonating well beyond Morocco.

“If we can make young people dream and present a positive image of Africa, the Arab world and our religion that is great,” he said.

But what clearly is driving Regragui is the satisfaction of surpassing all expectations and defying sceptics.

“Before every round people thought we would get knocked out,” he said. “But we are still here and we are going to fight to the end. “

DAWN
 
Never mind the fireworks and deafening pop music that await at Al Bayt stadium — the real pre-match show for the World Cup semi-final between Morocco and France was provided on Tuesday by Walid Regragui.

The 47-year-old coach of the first African and first Arab team to reach the last four of the World Cup took full advantage of the chance to address the world’s football press in a Doha auditorium, the day before the clash with Didier Deschamps’ team.

The Moroccan exuded pride, optimism, defiance and humour in a refreshing contrast to the usual drone of non-commital cliches that coaches ritually role out before big games.

He mocked the game’s modern focus on possession, ridiculed the ‘Expected Goals’ stats and laughed in the face of those who wrote of his team before they eliminated Spain and Portugal.

But along with the quickfire responses and talking points, there was a defiant refusal to play the role of the satisfied minnow and an evidently burning belief that his team can beat France and then do it again against Argentina or Croatia in Sunday’s final.

“We want to win the World Cup,” he said, “It’s not just words, we have to go further, maybe we won’t have another opportunity,” he said.

“We are not the favourites but we are confident — maybe that makes me mad, crazy? A bit of crazy can be good,” he said with a grin.

Having already dubbed his team as “the Rocky Balboa of this World Cup” after they knocked out Portugal in the quarter-finals, Regragui was not pulling any punches.

Asked whether his team will continue in the same style, which has seen opponents enjoy plenty of possession, he was unapologetic about his team’s approach.

“We will play to our strengths … this idea of possession, it is amazing how football journalists love these figures about 60-70 per cent possession, but it is no good if there are only two shots on goal,” he said, perhaps recalling Spain’s 77pc possession and one shot on target against his team.

“The expected goals too …‘we should have won, we had 4pc expected goals’… Well, we are here to win, that’s all,” he said.

“If France give us possession, we will take it but I don’t think they will. So we will try to stop them,” he added.

If Morocco’s application of the well-established strategy of mass defence and rapid counter-attack is not in fashion at the moment, statistics certainly are and Regragui has little time for focusing on numbers.

“Let’s stop with the statistics. I’m going to ask [FIFA President] Gianni Infantino to add points for beyond 60pc possession,” he added.

“We had a 0.01pc chance of winning the World Cup at the start,” he said before a reporter told him the probability is now rated at 12pc.

“We are at 12pc now? Well, praise be to Allah. We will work on that.” Regragui suggested that his team was being criticised, in part, for refusing to play the role of the entertaining losers.

“European journalists criticise our style, I think it bothers them to see an African team playing as they do.

“They like to see a dance and see [winger Sofiane] Boufal doing two nutmegs and then going back home,” he said.

Indeed, though, not even the most critical could question Morocco’s determination and work rate along with their defensive resilience.

“The key for us is spirit, we play a quality game every time with a good spirit. For me the spirit is the most important thing in football — we have to play with the heart and the spirit,” he said.

Born in France, in what he called a “difficult” suburb south-east of Paris, Regragui spent the bulk of his playing career in France before moving to Morocco to coach. He only took over the national team in August.

It has been a short reign so far but his impact — and that of his team — has been enormous, resonating well beyond Morocco.

“If we can make young people dream and present a positive image of Africa, the Arab world and our religion that is great,” he said.

But what clearly is driving Regragui is the satisfaction of surpassing all expectations and defying sceptics.

“Before every round people thought we would get knocked out,” he said. “But we are still here and we are going to fight to the end. “

DAWN

Come on morocco.
 
If Morocco beat France & go onto win the World Cup, the Muslim football fans will be insufferable & as usual, football fans in Pakistan will be leading the way even though have nothing to do with it.

We will not hear the end of it. It will be labeled as a “victory for Islam”. I really hope France beats them & puts an end to this.

Thanks for revealing who you are once again. At least Muslims can root for various teams in multiple sporting competitions. You on the other hand have cricket and well not much else. Stick to your country Indias cricket team and let us enjoy our brothers victories.
 
Thanks for revealing who you are once again. At least Muslims can root for various teams in multiple sporting competitions. You on the other hand have cricket and well not much else. Stick to your country Indias cricket team and let us enjoy our brothers victories.

Brothers :)))

Ummah brotherhood is a dead concept. We saw that when Imran Khan went from one Muslim state to another to beg for intervention in Kashmir & they all told him to go away.

We Pakistanis have specialized in celebrating success of other Muslim countries & non-Pakistani athletes & calling it a triumph of Islam.
 
Brothers :)))

Ummah brotherhood is a dead concept. We saw that when Imran Khan went from one Muslim state to another to beg for intervention in Kashmir & they all told him to go away.

We Pakistanis have specialized in celebrating success of other Muslim countries & non-Pakistani athletes & calling it a triumph of Islam.

LOL, if anything this World Cup has shown that the Ummah is very much alive and kicking and the concept of Ummah/Pan-Islam solidarity is still strong among Muslims.

You can deny this reality all you want but it won't go away.
 
LOL, if anything this World Cup has shown that the Ummah is very much alive and kicking and the concept of Ummah/Pan-Islam solidarity is still strong among Muslims.

You can deny this reality all you want but it won't go away.

That is because Muslim countries rarely achieve anything so when they do, everyone wants a slice of the pie.
 
LOL, if anything this World Cup has shown that the Ummah is very much alive and kicking and the concept of Ummah/Pan-Islam solidarity is still strong among Muslims.

You can deny this reality all you want but it won't go away.

There is no ummah. That’s a mirage.
 
Enjoy the soccer game. Leave the religion and colonial angle at home. Go morocco.
 
That is because Muslim countries rarely achieve anything so when they do, everyone wants a slice of the pie.

If everyone wants slice of the pie, then why do Moroccan players and their fans support Palestine ?

And Muslim countries have far more sporting achievements than other poor countries like India.
 
If everyone wants slice of the pie, then why do Moroccan players and their fans support Palestine ?

And Muslim countries have far more sporting achievements than other poor countries like India.
Question for you . I assume you are against the lgbtq arm band. Consider it woke? It stands for love and equal rights for all. But I assume you don’t want it waved around during the World Cup. What about Palestinian flag. Is standing up for human rights for the Palestinians woke? Should they supérate politics from sport here also?
 
If everyone wants slice of the pie, then why do Moroccan players and their fans support Palestine ?

And Muslim countries have far more sporting achievements than other poor countries like India.

Moroccans players & fans are also playing the Islam/ummah card. FIFA should ban them from such political stunts. This is why I wish France would bring out Israel flags after ending their dream but too bad it will not happen.

India has nothing to do with this discussion, not sure why you are bringing up random examples.
 
That is because Muslim countries rarely achieve anything so when they do, everyone wants a slice of the pie.

It is about being happy with achievements of fellow Muslims. Nothing more.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, "The similitude of believers in regard to mutual love, affection, fellow-feeling is that of one body; when any limb of it aches, the whole body aches, because of sleeplessness and fever."

Source: Ṣaḥiiḥ Muslim 2586.
 
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Moroccans players & fans are also playing the Islam/ummah card. FIFA should ban them from such political stunts. This is why I wish France would bring out Israel flags after ending their dream but too bad it will not happen.

India has nothing to do with this discussion, not sure why you are bringing up random examples.

Are you not a Muslim? Morocco is a Muslim country. It is logical for them to promote Islam/Muslim brotherhood. What's wrong with it?
 
Are you not a Muslim? Morocco is a Muslim country. It is logical for them to promote Islam/Muslim brotherhood. What's wrong with it?

This is a weird take if a Muslim Nationhood matters to Muslims in non -Islamic country isn’t that conflict of interest for the non-Islamic country ?

Maybe it’s a discussion for another thread.
 
This is a weird take if a Muslim Nationhood matters to Muslims in non -Islamic country isn’t that conflict of interest for the non-Islamic country ?

Maybe it’s a discussion for another thread.

Why would that be a conflict of interest? Are you saying it is illegal to be a Muslim in west?

Even among native western people, you have so many different ideologies/faiths.
 
Moroccans players & fans are also playing the Islam/ummah card. FIFA should ban them from such political stunts. This is why I wish France would bring out Israel flags after ending their dream but too bad it will not happen.

India has nothing to do with this discussion, not sure why you are bringing up random examples.

Fact is that overwhelming majority of Moroccans support Palestine because of Ummah brotherhood that you mock.
 
Fact is that overwhelming majority of Moroccans support Palestine because of Ummah brotherhood that you mock.

Not just Moroccans but Muslims worldwide. They all support Palestine.

Only a small percentage of sellouts may not side with Palestine because they are ignorant and/or have other agendas.
 
Fact is that overwhelming majority of Moroccans support Palestine because of Ummah brotherhood that you mock.

I was amazed at the amount of Palestinian flags during the game - as if Morocco and Palestinians are one

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It is about being happy with achievements of fellow Muslims. Nothing more.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, "The similitude of believers in regard to mutual love, affection, fellow-feeling is that of one body; when any limb of it aches, the whole body aches, because of sleeplessness and fever."

Source: Ṣaḥiiḥ Muslim 2586.

This is so true, Muslims everywhere in the world feel pain when Muslims are being oppressed in other parts of the world like Kashmir, Palestine etc.
 
I was amazed at the amount of Palestinian flags during the game - as if Morocco and Palestinians are one

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Don't think this should be allowed.

Didn't FIFA said not to mix any political/social issues with sports and keep the world cup only for football? That's why they removed rainbow armbands from English players.

Double standards from FIFA and partly the reason why this world cup is such a flop.
 
Fact is that overwhelming majority of Moroccans support Palestine because of Ummah brotherhood that you mock.

If they support it maybe they should do something about it. I wonder why all the Muslim states do not gang up on Israel & do something about the situation instead of waving flags.

Muslim/Arab world have suffered from similar ummah delusions in the past. The UAR & the multiple wars between Arab coalitions & Israel proved to be failures & that is when the ummah died in practical terms.

Generally speaking, the concept of ummah died after the formation of nation states. Every country looks after its own interests & they will not care about ummah if it clashes with their own interests.

This is why the Muslim word is not prepared to collaborate & take on Israel because they know that it will backfire.
 
Not just Moroccans but Muslims worldwide. They all support Palestine.

Only a small percentage of sellouts may not side with Palestine because they are ignorant and/or have other agendas.

Why don’t they do something about it? Why don’t they form an alliance & go to war with Israel? They tried it from 1948 to 1967 & got thrashed.

Maybe they should try again. “Supporting” Palestine does nothing for them when none of the rich Muslim states are willing to do something about them.
 
It is about being happy with achievements of fellow Muslims. Nothing more.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, "The similitude of believers in regard to mutual love, affection, fellow-feeling is that of one body; when any limb of it aches, the whole body aches, because of sleeplessness and fever."

Source: Ṣaḥiiḥ Muslim 2586.

Are you not a Muslim? Morocco is a Muslim country. It is logical for them to promote Islam/Muslim brotherhood. What's wrong with it?

I am a Muslim but I think ummah concept cannot coexist with nation state system. Ummah unity is reduced to empty words only so it doesn’t mean anything.

In Islam, the concept of nation state does not exist. Muslims are supposed to be one nation but that is no longer practical or feasible, hence there is no such thing as ummah anymore.

When you build national boundaries, you interests will change & these interests would mean the ummah brotherhood will be compromised.

This is why Pakistan cannot utter a word against China’s treatment of Muslims & the likes of KSA & UAE have developed friendly terms with Israel.

As far as being happy for Morocco, yes I am happy. Everyone loves a good underdog story. However, I would be equally happy to see any other small team do well.

I would have been equally happy to see Canada or Japan or Australia in the semifinal, or even Israel had they qualified. I couldn’t care less about Morocco being a Muslim country or waving Palestine flags.
 
It could be argued that the concept of nationalism is contradictory to Islam. The idea of being proud of your/another country, in theory, is baseless.

Further, just like the taking of a knee in solidarity with BLM is considered a hollow action by many, so could the parading of the Palestine flag. I don't recall any Muslim /Muslim nation ever taking any tangible action in support of Palestine.

Not necessarily my opinion, just food for thought.
 
If they support it maybe they should do something about it. I wonder why all the Muslim states do not gang up on Israel & do something about the situation instead of waving flags.

Muslim/Arab world have suffered from similar ummah delusions in the past. The UAR & the multiple wars between Arab coalitions & Israel proved to be failures & that is when the ummah died in practical terms.

Generally speaking, the concept of ummah died after the formation of nation states. Every country looks after its own interests & they will not care about ummah if it clashes with their own interests.

This is why the Muslim word is not prepared to collaborate & take on Israel because they know that it will backfire.

You are talking about two different concepts here. Ummah is more a concept of brotherhood and solidarity among Muslims, you are talking about military warfare which Muslim countries are not equipped for. It's quite clear from the fans at the world cup that there is a concept of Muslim brotherhood, and it makes sense as long as religion is still a major factor in those countries. When or if religion becomes less a cultural factor then you will see less celebration of other Muslim countries success.
 
Why is it that Muslim countries haven't achieved much?

That is a very deep question whose answer will go beyond the scope of this thread, but I will give you a brief summary.

The Islamic Golden Age was inspired by the Mutazilahs who did not harbor orthodox beliefs. They encouraged rational thinking & tried to use logical deductions, they were not held back by religion and made scientific breakthroughs.

Eventually, they were outnumbered and thus out-powered by the Ashari who held onto orthodox belief of not questioning nothing and encouraging blind faith.

Islam’s golden age ended while Western Europe was entering its Renaissance. As a result, over the next 2-3 centuries, Muslims start to lag behind in every field & were still holding onto stories of their Golden Age.

To be fair, the Arab world has still done okay & they were responsible for the Islamic Golden Age.

The subcontinent Muslims are by far the most useless & incompetent nation on earth. They have never achieved anything. They never had a Golden Age & only produced drunk poets.

They have made 0 contribution to the world.
 
It could be argued that the concept of nationalism is contradictory to Islam. The idea of being proud of your/another country, in theory, is baseless.

Further, just like the taking of a knee in solidarity with BLM is considered a hollow action by many, so could the parading of the Palestine flag. I don't recall any Muslim /Muslim nation ever taking any tangible action in support of Palestine.

Not necessarily my opinion, just food for thought.

I think nationalism is pretty overrated. I think our main identities are we are human beings and we belong to a particular faith. Everything else (including nationalism) is simply for paperwork purpose.

My grandfather was born in British India, lived through as a East Pakistani, and died as a Bangladeshi. His nationality changed thrice in his lifetime but his religion stayed the same.

Regarding Palestine issue, I think it may stay like this till Jesus (PBUH) comes in. Allah (SWT) knows best.
 
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Why would that be a conflict of interest? Are you saying it is illegal to be a Muslim in west?

Even among native western people, you have so many different ideologies/faiths.

No but supporting Islamic nation instead of Muslims generally.. two different things.

Supporting Muslims is not the same as supporting Nations in football.. what has sport got to do with brotherhood?

For example supporting Morocco Muslims is not really the same as supporting Morocco.. the nation.(your choice irrespective)
 
That is a very deep question whose answer will go beyond the scope of this thread, but I will give you a brief summary.

The Islamic Golden Age was inspired by the Mutazilahs who did not harbor orthodox beliefs. They encouraged rational thinking & tried to use logical deductions, they were not held back by religion and made scientific breakthroughs.

Eventually, they were outnumbered and thus out-powered by the Ashari who held onto orthodox belief of not questioning nothing and encouraging blind faith.

Islam’s golden age ended while Western Europe was entering its Renaissance. As a result, over the next 2-3 centuries, Muslims start to lag behind in every field & were still holding onto stories of their Golden Age.

To be fair, the Arab world has still done okay & they were responsible for the Islamic Golden Age.

The subcontinent Muslims are by far the most useless & incompetent nation on earth. They have never achieved anything. They never had a Golden Age & only produced drunk poets.

They have made 0 contribution to the world.
During the Golden age. A great number of muslim philosophers/scientist were of Persian heritage. Also a great number of Scientist philosophers were Jews in the islamic Golden age. Also of course berbers and Arabs.
 
You are talking about two different concepts here. Ummah is more a concept of brotherhood and solidarity among Muslims, you are talking about military warfare which Muslim countries are not equipped for. It's quite clear from the fans at the world cup that there is a concept of Muslim brotherhood, and it makes sense as long as religion is still a major factor in those countries. When or if religion becomes less a cultural factor then you will see less celebration of other Muslim countries success.

What good is a brotherhood that doesn’t lead to anything practical. Besides, this brotherhood exists in African continents as well.

For example, if Senegal play a World Cup final against a European or South American team, one would imagine that Cameroon will support them even though they are not a Muslim majority country.

So it is not about ummah but identifying with one of your own. That’s natural.

If Arab countries are happy to see Morocco win the World Cup due to the Arab connection that is great, but please don’t drag Islam into it & don’t let Pakistani fans partake in the celebrations because they are not Arab no matter how much they try to be like them.
 
That is a very deep question whose answer will go beyond the scope of this thread, but I will give you a brief summary.

The Islamic Golden Age was inspired by the Mutazilahs who did not harbor orthodox beliefs. They encouraged rational thinking & tried to use logical deductions, they were not held back by religion and made scientific breakthroughs.

Eventually, they were outnumbered and thus out-powered by the Ashari who held onto orthodox belief of not questioning nothing and encouraging blind faith.

Islam’s golden age ended while Western Europe was entering its Renaissance. As a result, over the next 2-3 centuries, Muslims start to lag behind in every field & were still holding onto stories of their Golden Age.

To be fair, the Arab world has still done okay & they were responsible for the Islamic Golden Age.

The subcontinent Muslims are by far the most useless & incompetent nation on earth. They have never achieved anything. They never had a Golden Age & only produced drunk poets.

They have made 0 contribution to the world.

Not a bad assessment, but I would add that the subcontinent as a whole has produced nothing, that is why all the countries still look the same, Islamic or not. It is a deeper malaise, or perhaps a cultural defect deeply embedded even before the advent of Islam in the subcontinent.

Probably better suited to another thread but since you brought it up I just added my thoughts.
 
I think nationalism is pretty overrated. I think our main identities are we are human beings and we belong to a particular faith. Everything else (including nationalism) is simply for paperwork purpose.

My grandfather was born in British India, lived through as a East Pakistani, and died as a Bangladeshi. His nationality changed thrice in his lifetime but his religion stayed the same.

Regarding Palestine issue, I think it may stay like this till Jesus (PBUH) comes in. Allah (SWT) knows best.

You can't change your ethnicity. Citizenships change, also people leave of change religion also. A generation ago Europe was christian. It's mostly secular now.Subcontinent was hindu/buddist/muslim ( I mean pakistan sorry). So religion changes also
 
What good is a brotherhood that doesn’t lead to anything practical. Besides, this brotherhood exists in African continents as well.

For example, if Senegal play a World Cup final against a European or South American team, one would imagine that Cameroon will support them even though they are not a Muslim majority country.

So it is not about ummah but identifying with one of your own. That’s natural.

If Arab countries are happy to see Morocco win the World Cup due to the Arab connection that is great, but please don’t drag Islam into it & don’t let Pakistani fans partake in the celebrations because they are not Arab no matter how much they try to be like them.

No one is dragging Islam into this, it has been commented on in many neutral articles in the British press at least. It's a factor, that is why you will get Africans supporting Arab teams and vice versa. You can deny it all you want, but people are watching the world cup, they can see for themselves. By the way, the same Muslims are also supporting non-Muslim teams when they play each other, you will see many Arabs or Bangladeshis supporting Argentina against Croatia, or Brazil against Germany. For them it's football, not meant to be an act of war.
 
No one is dragging Islam into this, it has been commented on in many neutral articles in the British press at least. It's a factor, that is why you will get Africans supporting Arab teams and vice versa. You can deny it all you want, but people are watching the world cup, they can see for themselves. By the way, the same Muslims are also supporting non-Muslim teams when they play each other, you will see many Arabs or Bangladeshis supporting Argentina against Croatia, or Brazil against Germany. For them it's football, not meant to be an act of war.

Indeed.

Argentina is like 2nd team of Bangladesh in football. Most Bangladeshis seem to support Argentina back home. I also root for Argentina since 1998.

Again, as a Muslim, I want all Muslim-majority states to do well whether it is Morocco, Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan or any other Muslim state. I think that's how most Muslims feel also.
 
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No but supporting Islamic nation instead of Muslims generally.. two different things.

Supporting Muslims is not the same as supporting Nations in football.. what has sport got to do with brotherhood?

For example supporting Morocco Muslims is not really the same as supporting Morocco.. the nation.(your choice irrespective)

No. Not two different things.

You are trying to project Indian thought process to Muslim world. It doesn't work that way.
 
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That is a very deep question whose answer will go beyond the scope of this thread, but I will give you a brief summary.

The Islamic Golden Age was inspired by the Mutazilahs who did not harbor orthodox beliefs. They encouraged rational thinking & tried to use logical deductions, they were not held back by religion and made scientific breakthroughs.

Eventually, they were outnumbered and thus out-powered by the Ashari who held onto orthodox belief of not questioning nothing and encouraging blind faith.

Islam’s golden age ended while Western Europe was entering its Renaissance. As a result, over the next 2-3 centuries, Muslims start to lag behind in every field & were still holding onto stories of their Golden Age.

To be fair, the Arab world has still done okay & they were responsible for the Islamic Golden Age.

The subcontinent Muslims are by far the most useless & incompetent nation on earth. They have never achieved anything. They never had a Golden Age & only produced drunk poets.

They have made 0 contribution to the world.

Don't forget the shisha lounges they've opened up in the UK. That's a contribution worthy of mention.
 
If Morocco beat France & go onto win the World Cup, the Muslim football fans will be insufferable & as usual, football fans in Pakistan will be leading the way even though have nothing to do with it.

We will not hear the end of it. It will be labeled as a “victory for Islam”. I really hope France beats them & puts an end to this.

Why don't you ever disappoint with your disg*sting posts. You are really losing it, it seems. Don't read so much of comment sections of Facebook and Instagram. It really seem to be effecting your thinking capabilities. Not that I am surprised
 
Don't think this should be allowed.

Didn't FIFA said not to mix any political/social issues with sports and keep the world cup only for football? That's why they removed rainbow armbands from English players.

Double standards from FIFA and partly the reason why this world cup is such a flop.

This world cup has been the best one based on the amount of shocking results and following. Only for islamophobes it's a flop in their dud minds, their tears are fun to watch
 
The flags, team jerseys and billboards with players are on full display in Morocco’s capital Rabat ahead of the team’s World Cup semi-final against France on Wednesday, but the team will have support much farther afield as the first Arab and African side to get that far.

In Arab nations, Morocco’s exploits have particularly captured people’s imaginations during the first World Cup ever held in an Arab country and after the team posed with a Palestinian flag.

Morocco has outdone expectations by beating a succession of much higher-ranked European teams — Belgium in the group stage and then Spain and Portugal in the knockout rounds. It has laid on more than a dozen extra flights to take fans to Qatar.

But Moroccan flags are also selling out across North Africa and the Middle East as fans rush for souvenirs to cheer on the team.

“There is a big demand for buying Moroccan flags because it is the first Arab country to reach the semi-finals. The demand is so big that they are out of stock,” said Karim Mohammed Qotb, a street vendor in Cairo.

In Gaza, Eyad Abu Teir was out shopping for Moroccan colours. “Morocco’s win is a win for the whole Arab nation and we Arabs should all participate in it,” he said.

For salesman Tarek Abu Dayyeh, nearby, Morocco’s World Cup success was bringing an unexpected business boost. “Gaza is besieged and the financial situation is difficult … we hope the sales will go up if Morocco wins the World Cup,” he said.

Even as far as Iraq, people said they were excited at the prospect of an Arab country doing so well.

“It’s the best Arab performance we’ve ever seen as soccer fans and a great achievement,” said Salam Rabiea, an engineer in Baghdad.

In Morocco, an important member of the Arab League but where much of the population identifies as Amazigh, there has been some bemusement at the Arab embrace, including jokes that people from other Arab countries should finally accept the Moroccan dialect.

But in Libya, which like Morocco is in North Africa, there was no doubt in the mind of Mohammed al Andaz as to which team he would support.

“We hope they beat France and get the cup. This is an Arab and African team. All Arabs and Muslims are praying, and we hope our prayers are met and Morocco wins,” he said.

Reuters
 
Why can’t people just celebrate Moroccos success as an underdog triumph and leave it at that. It’s funny that it’s being seen as some religious triumph :))

Must be nice to have so many countries to root for. Anyway wonder how many Moroccans know of a country called Pakistan.
 
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