Mr. Wasim Khan, how can the PCB replace a seasoned international coach with an untested one?

[Rana]

I want to take this pragmatic view on the entire issue knowing that Wasim Khan is a sensible person and has reached his position today due to excellent management skills. But this question is genuinely valid. Whilst I have no issue with the PCB's stance on sacking managers that have not lived up to their expectations or produced results that were befitting of their investment into this post. I still cannot understand how they have chosen to replace such a serious post with a man that has ZERO coaching credentials.

As far as we are all concerned, Misbah completed his coaching badges between the last PSL and his appointment after the 2019 wc (a period of 6 months) and has no experience whatsoever with managing a side. How can you replace a coach that has worked with the likes of Australia and South Africa with A) a coach that has some idea of coaching Islamabad united (we cannot even be sure of this) and b) a bowling coach who has failed twice before and couldn't land a job outside of Pakistan as a coach.

The results are there for all to see. The same useless player is still your captain. The players doing well seem to be lacking as well. The bowling is still pretty much the same lacking venom. The tactical management is a farce! You are not promoting the one player who has not been out by bowlers in 2 ODI's and 2 T20s (Iftikhar Ahmed), whilst instead working out how to fit in Shahzad, Sarfaraz into the top 4.

Why are PCB taking its serious fans for granted? They do not deserve this rubbish management. Please ask Misbah to step aside and put in the hard yards as a head coach for a domestic team for at least 2 seasons before considering his worth as the head coach of the country. A huge disrespect to those coaches that have actually struggled week in, week out with their domestic sides but they are not considered over Misbah. Wasim Khan should be smart enough to understand this.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

This is a cost cutting exercise.

 

[Shafi]

Because this guy Wasim Khan himself is a con artist and got his job by promoting himself like sales representative of insurance company. I don't know what Imran Khan saw in him. So far he is a massive failure except some big hope/boastful talking but deliver the worse.I am yet to see any significant good work from him. All he does copy paste from UK cricket System without knowing/understanding that will it applicable to Pakistan. People gave credit for his domestic structure but it actually came from Imran Khan who got the idea from Australia domestic cricket structure.

 

[Shafi]

This is a cost cutting exercise.

Not really!!! Misbah gets far more than Micky without have any qualification.

 

[Bewal Express]

Most PK fans cant wait to get rid of any coach we have- Mickey, Whatmore etc brought nothing to the table according to many on here, so lets see in a years time what Misbah can do- we always lose to Aus but lets see the manner of the defeats. Lets see if he sticks to the tried and tested failures or he brings in young players and develops them into international quality. The Aus tour and the inevitable defeats will give him a chance to get rid of the likes of AA, AS and Sarfraz and then we will see what he brings to the table.

 

[Abdullah719]

Not really!!! Misbah gets far more than Micky without have any qualification.

Misbah is getting the same amount as Mickey.

 

[Junaids]

Misbah is getting the same amount as Mickey.

And yet Mickey has a dozen years of international coaching experience and Misbah hasn’t even got any domestic coaching experience.

It’s like appointing the local butcher to the job of Brain Surgeon, and then paying him the full salary that he is neither qualified nor experienced enough to earn.

 

[Junaids]

And yet Mickey has a dozen years of international coaching experience and Misbah hasn’t even got any domestic coaching experience.

It’s like appointing the local butcher to the job of Brain Surgeon, and then paying him the full salary that he is neither qualified nor experienced enough to earn.

Except the local butcher was Chairman of the Hospital Board, and actually sacked the qualified candidate and then took his Brain Surgeon job, even though he was unqualified to have it.

 

[Kroll]

Misbah is getting the same amount as Mickey.

Not only has Misbah returned to haunt us, he's helping himself to some hefty pay cheques. With all these top guys on the gravy train, these sort of questions by OP are futile.

 

[Oneking]

People in Pakistan don’t pay dues, they just have many bureaucrats and politicians friends to keep their ego high.
Misbah as a captain was a failure and I have no hopes from him.
He advocated Azhar Ali for Odi captaincy and Assad Rahat to odi team.
Now he is doing the same with Ahmad and Umar and Wahab.
He should scrap the whole team and if he has guts build a new team around Babar, Haris, Imam ( not a fan of him but he is young and decent opener)
Have a vision and follow thru instead of rotating same **

 

[trickyone]

Misbah is getting the same amount as Mickey.

True and not true... Even though Salary is same but I don't think perks will be same though like living allowances and other good stuffs.

 

[Naveedahmed1]

Surely Wasim khan would have seen misbahs analysis during the WC - he was always wrong! Misbah is horrendous reader of game

 

[Shazzam]

This is a very good thread with nice points. Very valid questions being asked by the Op.

 

[Saj]

I still say it's early days, but international cricket is not the place for a coach to learn the art of coaching. A coach should be learning about coaching at u19 or domestic level.

 

[Savak]

I still say it's early days, but international cricket is not the place for a coach to learn the art of coaching. A coach should be learning about coaching at u19 or domestic level.

PCB approached Misbah to be the U19 and A team coach, chief selector but he refused

 

[msb314]

Misbah is getting the same amount as Mickey.

Surely Misbahs salary is less than the combined salaries of Inzy and Mickey?

 

[coy0607]

Surely Misbahs salary is less than the combined salaries of Inzy and Mickey?

Mickey and Inzamam were experienced cricket administrators, both had worked with other boards in national positions before joining the PCB.

Misbah hasn't even administrated in domestic cricket! Of course he shouldn't be paid anywhere near the same

 

[trickyone]

Did Islamabad United make Misbah a coach yet? I think he should resign if he can't get a coaching job in PSL... It's so funny, he was bargaining hard that he should be allowed to coach PSL team (Let's see if he any PSL team will hire him even as a conusltant lol)

 

[Abdullah719]

Surely Misbahs salary is less than the combined salaries of Inzy and Mickey?

He is getting the same amount as Mickey, that was clarified by Wasim Khan and Misbah himself.

So whatever was being paid to Inzi and Flower is probably now being put to use elsewhere, with Misbah serving the roles of Mickey+Inzi+Flower.

Though I think they'll eventually hire a batting coach.

 

[Shazzam]

He is getting the same amount as Mickey, that was clarified by Wasim Khan and Misbah himself.

So whatever was being paid to Inzi and Flower is probably now being put to use elsewhere, with Misbah serving the roles of Mickey+Inzi+Flower.

Though I think they'll eventually hire a batting coach.

Wait your saying he’s being paid by PCB the same amount as Mickey for three roles? Wow I see why PCB did this than. Saves a lot of money.

 

[Abdullah719]

Wait your saying he’s being paid by PCB the same amount as Mickey for three roles? Wow I see why PCB did this than. Saves a lot of money.

Money-saving is probably just a side-effect rather than the thing that made them do this. Mickey himself recommended that the Head Coach and Chief Selector should be the same person and considering what often happens in Pakistan with blame games etc., this seemed like the common sense solution.

The lack of a batting coach is entirely up to Misbah. If he wants one, PCB will get one.

 

[msb314]

He is getting the same amount as Mickey, that was clarified by Wasim Khan and Misbah himself.

So whatever was being paid to Inzi and Flower is probably now being put to use elsewhere, with Misbah serving the roles of Mickey+Inzi+Flower.

Though I think they'll eventually hire a batting coach.

Okay got it!

 

[Markhor]

The best thing to have done was renew Mickey's contract till 2020 WC and make Misbah an assistant coach + IU coach so he got some coaching exposure first.

 

[Kroll]

The best thing to have done was renew Mickey's contract till 2020 WC and make Misbah an assistant coach + IU coach so he got some coaching exposure first.

Nah, just keep him away.

 

[Shafi]

PCB approached Misbah to be the U19 and A team coach, chief selector but he refused

That's good otherwise he would have selected over aged players and humiliate us internationally.

 

[Shazzam]

Money-saving is probably just a side-effect rather than the thing that made them do this. Mickey himself recommended that the Head Coach and Chief Selector should be the same person and considering what often happens in Pakistan with blame games etc., this seemed like the common sense solution.

The lack of a batting coach is entirely up to Misbah. If he wants one, PCB will get one.

That suggestion was wack cause there is no way a coach has time to go see other matches of players in domestic. I also don’t know what Mickey is talking about when the selectors listened to him and Sarfraz the most during his tenure.

As for batting coach I thought Saj said Misbah is a batting coach?

 

[Abdullah719]

That suggestion was wack cause there is no way a coach has time to go see other matches of players in domestic. I also don’t know what Mickey is talking about when the selectors listened to him and Sarfraz the most during his tenure.

As for batting coach I thought Saj said Misbah is a batting coach?

Yes, Misbah is the de facto batting coach right now. I meant that he has the option of asking PCB to hire a full-time batting coach if he feels the burden is too much.

 

[Hasan123]

Misbah should not have been given 2 roles he doesn’t have the experience for. I worry about him as a coach as he doesn’t have the experience, also remember he was not a great batter with great technique. We should have hired a experienced batting coach if Misbah was going to be made coach.

 

[MMHS]

This one I can explain.

First, Wasim Khan alone is not the decision maker, therefore itÂ’s a collective decision by PCB rather than one person.

But, the main reason I can understand (behind this call, letÂ’s park who is behind it) is that PCB wanted to satisfy the ego of former PAK players. Misbah is paid similar amount (of Arthur), and I am sure Arthur would have renewed his contract without much increment, therefore money isnÂ’t an issue here.

I have written many times that this PCT is “despite” having Arthur in charge, not “because of” Arthur in charge, which I donÂ’t think much of the PP believed and none of the PAK former players even thought of. Being a top class coach, the amount of abuse Arthur suffered from PAK media and their former players only suggests that lot, lots of people were/are living in fools paradise. Arthur didnÂ’t help his cause either for few tactical blunders in Asian Tests, but I am not sure now if we should attribute that on Arthur’s tactics only - specifically I am talking about the 0-2 against SRL in Test series. Without YK & Misbah and Sarfraz in charge, with Herath & Dilruhan bowling when SRL batted first both times - I donÂ’t think whoever is coach that result would have changed - this is just not a PAK squad that gives me confidence. I have to say, may be the even that margin was respectable because of Arthur in charge!!!! PAK loosing to SRL reserves at home 0-3 in their strongest suit and the margins are wider than the Test......

Besides, there had been constant criticism on foreign coach (s)/experts & their payment. This is not foreign coaches fault that the currency conversion has gone to 155+, and they are paid by US dollar, therefore almost everyone in media questions the salary of foreign experts, because they count it in PAK rupees. In reality, what PCB is paying to their foreign employees are among lowest in world - including coaching staff and Wasim Khan himself. I came to know that Gary Kristen was paid around $600/hour for his consultancy for BCB (remotely, add other expenses if he had to travel to BCB HQ) and he spent around 10-12 hours/month - thatÂ’s around $6000 or BDT 500,000 .... or PKR 1,000,000.... for 12 hours service from own office (obviously he had to do lots of back ground work for those 10-12 hours, but this guy WK also must be spending more than 38 hours/week for his PCB job). I read lots of criticism for Wasim Khan & his salary, when the guy is doing a fantastic job with a below per wage. As BCB CEO, Maqbool Dudhia was paid $12,000/month after tax, a Harrier SUV with chauffeur arrangements for 24/7, once a year return air ticket for full family to any destination in first class - as past as 2007, when BCB couldn’t even pay their domestic players. (these are just a comparison of global market, not to boast BCB’s might ...)

I have read many times PAK former players criticising/insulting Arthur and some of them boasted on their “knowledge” about how things can be made better. That “donkey” comment actually a true reflection about the mind set. I am sure, this has been a collective call this time to hire a local coach, just to satisfy the big ego of “critics”. From the job advertise (of head coach), I was damn sure that PCB is going to hire a local and former great - otherwise that job requirement won’t encourage top pro coach to even apply, that little Wasim Khan actually knows and he did/allowed that deliberately. Among the local options, I’ll still say Misbah is the best choice among Basit Ali’s & Aaquib Javeds & Javed Miandads & WYs or Mohsin Khans!!!

This is a sacrifice call for PCB, so that their next appointment (of a pro coach, donÂ’t mind if local) is smooth.

 

[Saj]

3 year contract.

I guess the time to judge him will be at the end of the 3 years...if he lasts that long.

 

[azimiqbal]

I think if things go bad in Australia I cannot see misbah lasting in both roles

 

[Rana]

This one I can explain.

First, Wasim Khan alone is not the decision maker, therefore itÂ’s a collective decision by PCB rather than one person.

But, the main reason I can understand (behind this call, letÂ’s park who is behind it) is that PCB wanted to satisfy the ego of former PAK players. Misbah is paid similar amount (of Arthur), and I am sure Arthur would have renewed his contract without much increment, therefore money isnÂ’t an issue here.

I have written many times that this PCT is “despite” having Arthur in charge, not “because of” Arthur in charge, which I donÂ’t think much of the PP believed and none of the PAK former players even thought of. Being a top class coach, the amount of abuse Arthur suffered from PAK media and their former players only suggests that lot, lots of people were/are living in fools paradise. Arthur didnÂ’t help his cause either for few tactical blunders in Asian Tests, but I am not sure now if we should attribute that on Arthur’s tactics only - specifically I am talking about the 0-2 against SRL in Test series. Without YK & Misbah and Sarfraz in charge, with Herath & Dilruhan bowling when SRL batted first both times - I donÂ’t think whoever is coach that result would have changed - this is just not a PAK squad that gives me confidence. I have to say, may be the even that margin was respectable because of Arthur in charge!!!! PAK loosing to SRL reserves at home 0-3 in their strongest suit and the margins are wider than the Test......

Besides, there had been constant criticism on foreign coach (s)/experts & their payment. This is not foreign coaches fault that the currency conversion has gone to 155+, and they are paid by US dollar, therefore almost everyone in media questions the salary of foreign experts, because they count it in PAK rupees. In reality, what PCB is paying to their foreign employees are among lowest in world - including coaching staff and Wasim Khan himself. I came to know that Gary Kristen was paid around $600/hour for his consultancy for BCB (remotely, add other expenses if he had to travel to BCB HQ) and he spent around 10-12 hours/month - thatÂ’s around $6000 or BDT 500,000 .... or PKR 1,000,000.... for 12 hours service from own office (obviously he had to do lots of back ground work for those 10-12 hours, but this guy WK also must be spending more than 38 hours/week for his PCB job). I read lots of criticism for Wasim Khan & his salary, when the guy is doing a fantastic job with a below per wage. As BCB CEO, Maqbool Dudhia was paid $12,000/month after tax, a Harrier SUV with chauffeur arrangements for 24/7, once a year return air ticket for full family to any destination in first class - as past as 2007, when BCB couldn’t even pay their domestic players. (these are just a comparison of global market, not to boast BCB’s might ...)

I have read many times PAK former players criticising/insulting Arthur and some of them boasted on their “knowledge” about how things can be made better. That “donkey” comment actually a true reflection about the mind set. I am sure, this has been a collective call this time to hire a local coach, just to satisfy the big ego of “critics”. From the job advertise (of head coach), I was damn sure that PCB is going to hire a local and former great - otherwise that job requirement won’t encourage top pro coach to even apply, that little Wasim Khan actually knows and he did/allowed that deliberately. Among the local options, I’ll still say Misbah is the best choice among Basit Ali’s & Aaquib Javeds & Javed Miandads & WYs or Mohsin Khans!!!

This is a sacrifice call for PCB, so that their next appointment (of a pro coach, donÂ’t mind if local) is smooth.

I struggle to keep up with your posts although I’m sure you make sense. However seriously, you cannot truly try to justify the selection of a head coach of an international team with a man that has no coaching experience with a team for at least 2 seasons?

Jason Gillespie has been a part of Australia’s invincible side in his day. He has put in so many years in domestic cricket and has got results with his county but still the guy can’t land a job as an international coach. Why should Misbah be treated so special? It’s like saying Pakistan’s standards are far worse than County sides when it comes to coaching appointments.

 

[Saj]

PCB approached Misbah to be the U19 and A team coach, chief selector but he refused

If that was the case then he should have been told to coach a domestic team first.

 

[sshakir411]

Wasn’t Mickey also called a con artist million times on this forum? And now his experience of international coaching is being valued over Misbah’s cricket experience.

I think the question is an okay one to ask because Misbah was not even a contender. But if you actually hear the reasoning behind what Wasim Khan is trying to do with the entire cricket infrastructure, you can see why they went with an out of box idea.

Let’s just hope we can focus on the core issues of player development and strengthening of our domestic cricket. Once those are fixed we can worry about which coach will lead us to ultimate glory because right now no human can. Just how Mickey won us the champions trophy but our players who couldn’t repeat the same performance despite training the same way they did before and during the CT.

 

[Shazzam]

PCB approached Misbah to be the U19 and A team coach, chief selector but he refused

Where did you hear this?

 

[Savak]

Where did you hear this?

Same news stories at the time when the PCB YK negotiations were ongoing. If people are going to accept the YK news reports then accept the Misbah reports as well. Misbah was approached before YK as well

 

[Shazzam]

Same news stories at the time when the PCB YK negotiations were ongoing. If people are going to accept the YK news reports then accept the Misbah reports as well. Misbah was approached before YK as well

If this is true than it shows this guy went in this thinking he could do better than Mickey Arthur. So to me this is a ego thing.

 

[MMHS]

I struggle to keep up with your posts although I’m sure you make sense. However seriously, you cannot truly try to justify the selection of a head coach of an international team with a man that has no coaching experience with a team for at least 2 seasons?

Jason Gillespie has been a part of Australia’s invincible side in his day. He has put in so many years in domestic cricket and has got results with his county but still the guy can’t land a job as an international coach. Why should Misbah be treated so special? It’s like saying Pakistan’s standards are far worse than County sides when it comes to coaching appointments.

It is not about how much experience Misbah has, rather it was due to the policy of hiring a local coach. Among the 12 Test teams, leaving the last 3, PAK has by far the worst domestic resources when it comes to proper cricket coach, or may be at per with BD. You'll be surprised to know how many just retired U40 players are in pro coaching these day, and they are doing it proper way - many of them are Level 2 badge holders from CA or ECB or BCCI academy, it's just a matter of few years you'll see the shift from foreign coaching staffs to locals on merit.

If you consider experience, among locals, the names that will float are Waquar Younis, Aaquib Javed, Basit Ali, Javed Miandad, Mohsin Khan ...... haven't PCB run on that trail few times? Yes, there are another group - seasoned domestic coaches without much of a players' profile - Kabir Khan, Sabih Azhar, some Peshawar guy (Muhammad??)...... if any of these guys were appointed, PCB's HQ would have been blown by the back lash of media and former players.

Still, PCB could have managed that - but what PCB can't manage is the sheer arrogance of PAK's current players, who'll simply ignore the coach for his profile. Don't get me wrong - I am writing this with a fair bit of experience in past and don't think it has changed much. Mike Hessen can be Coach of Ken Willamson, Buchanan can coach that AUS team, Byliss can coach world champ ENG, Sir Alex can manage CR07 ...... but, to coach PCT, you'll need a sterling player profile.

Net, net - if a local coach had to be appointed, who else better? The role of Coach in cricket is a bit over stated and the role that Misbah is given more of a Team Manager/Director, which I think he can handle if the support staffs are good. More than head coach, the blunder PCB did was to appoint him for a technical role (batting coach) - he is absolutely novice in that. Batting is PAK's Achilles' heel (I know the stats of PAK's top 3/4) - what PCB need is to pay whatever required to bring a proper Level 3/4 spaciest full time batting coach. May be, then it(appointing Misbah as HC) won't cost that much.