Murali Vijay, Kuldeep Yadav dropped, Prithvi Shaw, Hanuma Vihari selected for last 2 Tests v England

[the_outsider]

Bangladesh is a minnow whether you like to accept it or not, doesn't change the reality. This can be gauged by the fact that when they reach knockouts its treated more as a surprise. If they're not ranked even amongst top-8 cricket playing nations, they can only be termed as minnows. Fact that you had to desperately cling on none other than Bangladesh to prove your point, actually proves my point.

PS: Don't have anything against Bangladesh.

You're grasping at straws and you know it.

Truth is, you didn't know about any of these stats before you called Rohit a "dud". You didn't do your homework and went purely on your instinct which turned out to be wrong. But now you're too far in to the argument so you have no choice but to stick to your original opinion lest it makes you look like a fool.

With the numbers I have given you, I bet you that you cannot convince a single credible PP memeber that Rohit Sharma is inconsistent.

 

[MP2011]

Yeah, you know everything. I bow down to your superior knowledge.

Any fan having bit of knowledge about cricket knows that Rohit has cost India a lot of decisive matches. But in your bid to be held as Mr know all, you are clinging to Bangladesh of all cricket playing nations, yeah everyone else is a fool.

 

[MP2011]

And how well do you know me to claim that I didn't know these stats, Mr know all?

 

[MenInG]

Hanuma Vihari will be soon flying to England to join the Indian Test squad for the final two Tests against England and even though the 24-year-old knows he might have to wait for his Test cap, the Hyderabad-born batsman reckons he is ready to grab the opportunity, whenever it comes, and make it his own.

“It is tough to get into the Indian side but once you get into the side, you have to make sure that you grab the opportunity,” Vihari told bcci.tv. “So that is the only thing I am thinking of. I know the opportunity will come, but I have to be really ready for it and and make it my own.”

It’s been eight years since a 17-year-old Vihari made his maiden first-class appearance for Hyderabad but it was only in 2017, that he got maiden India A call-up, which didn’t go as planned as he scored 11 runs in two innings. However, his biggest positive from the tour was the learnings he got from coach Rahul Dravid.

“Going to South Africa and playing in those condition, especially when was my first tour, I learned a lot from the tour, recalled, Vihari adding, “That tour did not go well, i only had one match but i didn’t perform. but it helped me a lot in SA to be with Rahul Dravid.”

Vihari was the fifth highest run-getter in the 2017-18 season scoring 752 runs at an average of 94.00, including a highest score of 302 not out. During India A’s tour of England, Vihari amassed 410 runs in six matches at an average of 51.25, and that, Vihari feels was crucial.

“If you have to play for India, you have to score in the A team, you have no other choice, I knew i had to do well,” he said.

Vihari also harbours hopes of getting himself in the radar for India’s 2019 World Cup plans through good performances in the ongoing Quadrangular series.

“There are two good teams from India and two good team from South Africa and Australia. it gives us good exposure, but at the same time there is World Cup next year and if you perform at this level you have a good chance to get into the World Cup side which is a dream for everyone, and i just want to give my best and bat the same way,” said the 24-year-old.

So far, Vihari has racked up 5142 runs in 63 FC matches with 15 centuries and 24 half-centuries and shited base from Hyderabad to Andhra, in search of better opportunities to perform.

“I knew I was taking a big gamble, it is not easy to change your home state. You to perform double than what you were performing before; but I took up the challenge because I want to be an India player ,rather than settling for just a Ranji player. I wanted to be one step higher, and I have the the goal and determination to play for India. I needed that change at that time of my career,” insisted Vihari.

India Under-19 world cup winning captain Prithvi Shaw and Vihari had earlier earned maiden Test call-ups for the Indian Test squad for the final two Tests against England.

Murali Vijay and Kuldeep Yadav were dropped from the inital squad for the first three Tests. The 18-member squad was announced by the BCCI on Wednesday.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...unity-and-make-it-my-own-hanuma-vihari-738878

 

[JaDed]

Vihari seems to be a hard worker, but all these Dravid wannabees have not been that great for us off late, hopefully he is different.

 

[the_outsider]

Yeah, you know everything. I bow down to your superior knowledge.

Any fan having bit of knowledge about cricket knows that Rohit has cost India a lot of decisive matches. But in your bid to be held as Mr know all, you are clinging to Bangladesh of all cricket playing nations, yeah everyone else is a fool.

You're entire argument about Rohit was that he is not consistent enought to warrant a place in the team. I have proved to you that he is the 2nd most consistent batsman in the world and the most consistent Indian batsman in ICC tourneys. With my "lol" numbers.

You want to replace Rohit, right? Okay then - tell me who you will replace him with? Name me one Indian batsman who can replace him at this point.

Is there anyone sitting outside the team who is performing better than Rohit? Even in List A games there is no Indian batsman with an average of 58. So good luck coming up with a replacement.

PS: I may or may not be a know-it-all, but in this instance it is clear that I knew what I was talking about and you didn't.

Your entire argument hangs on 2 matches (one of which - CT13 was effectively a T20). That's hilarious.

 

[ads101]

It's impressive India aren't taking it lying down. In the past I feel sometimes asian teams if they were losing, it was stick with the same team, play it out and hopefully get revenge at home. But they're putting in the tough changes, even prepared to fly people in order to win.

 

[MP2011]

Okay then - tell me who you will replace him with? Name me one Indian batsman who can replace him at this point.

Is there anyone sitting outside the team who is performing better than Rohit? Even in List A games there is no Indian batsman with an average of 58. So good luck coming up with a replacement.

Unless Indian team management gives chances to new players, how would we know? Likes of Mayank Aggarwal are cooling their heels in domestic cricket for last few years and will continue to do so in years to come as Mr pad up stats will continue to hog a place as crucial as opener's in India LoI games.

Thanks to SA bowlers who exposed him like a tailender that he is in test cricket though. We're at least saved from his exploits in the purest form of cricket.

 

[MP2011]

It's impressive India aren't taking it lying down. In the past I feel sometimes asian teams if they were losing, it was stick with the same team, play it out and hopefully get revenge at home. But they're putting in the tough changes, even prepared to fly people in order to win.

This is mostly Kohli's thought process. Unlike his predecessor he hates to lose and doesnt take any Indian defeat lying down. He may have issues with his team selections, may have issues with his field placements and all but don't think one can accuse him of indifferent to India's defeats. He'll do whatever it takes to reverse the cycle.

 

[JaDed]

BAN is no longer a minnow in ODIs. They've consistently reached knockout stages in ICC tournaments for the last 3 years. And like you said - a knockout is a knockout.

Which are the 3 tournament finals? As far as I know, India has only played 2 fifty-over finals with Rohit Sharma - CT13 and CT17.

It's true that in those 2 finals Rohit averages 4.5. (even though that's a criminally small sample size to go by).

In those same 2 finals Kohli has averaged 24 and Dhawan averaged 26. Not exactly pillars of strength.

So how is it that Rohit is so much more inconsistent than everybody else?

Or is it because of the SA tour? Is your argument that because Rohit had a poor tour (despite scoring a match winning 100) of SA, his past 5 years of consistency of an avg of 58 can be chucked out of the window?



You were wrong, dude. Just be the bigger man, admit it and move on.

If BD is not a minnow why did he score '1' in the only final he played against BD in Asia T20, coz he is a bottler, guess who scored Dhawan.

Now thing is he is neither an impact player like Dhawan not as consistent against top bowlers like Kohli.

He is a bunny of Amir and it's hard to bank on someone like that, of course we should keep him for group matches but anytime a bowler with some capability and pace comes in let's expect him to be flat as he is and be a dud he has been.

Now for his replacements, we never have players waiting outside, we have to back them and train them aka Kohli in LOI.

Hopefully in the dead UAE pitches Rohit performs and proves us (many skeptical fans) wrong but if he doesn't, it's time India looks past him.

 

[MP2011]

I think India's 3-0 win in SL is very underrated. SL at home is still a very formidable team. So its a big achievement to blank them at their home. That happened due to Kohli's never ending thirst for wins. And this habit is a very big upgrade over his predecessor who was not even half as ruthless as Kohli is.

 

[MP2011]

If BD is not a minnow why did he score '1' in the only final he played against BD in Asia T20, coz he is a bottler, guess who scored Dhawan.

Now thing is he is neither an impact player like Dhawan not as consistent against top bowlers like Kohli.

He is a bunny of Amir and it's hard to bank on someone like that, of course we should keep him for group matches but anytime a bowler with some capability and pace comes in let's expect him to be flat as he is and be a dud he has been.

Now for his replacements, we never have players waiting outside, we have to back them and train them aka Kohli in LOI.

Hopefully in the dead UAE pitches Rohit performs and proves us (many skeptical fans) wrong but if he doesn't, it's time India looks past him.

What do you know about Rohit? There is no player better than him in India for his slot.

 

[MP2011]

Its astonishing to see the lengths people go to defend Rohit. Have followed his career right from '07 so no amount of padded up stats will ever convince me of his abilities against top class bowling attacks and in decisive games.

 

[MP2011]

And due to his inability to play quality bowling attacks on wickets which are not shirtfronts, he is a dud in test cricket.

 

[the_outsider]

Unless Indian team management gives chances to new players, how would we know? Likes of Mayank Aggarwal are cooling their heels in domestic cricket for last few years and will continue to do so in years to come as Mr pad up stats will continue to hog a place as crucial as opener's in India LoI games.

Thanks to SA bowlers who exposed him like a tailender that he is in test cricket though. We're at least saved from his exploits in the purest form of cricket.

It's not like players haven't been tried. Rahane and KL have both had chances and both failed.

Given that nobody has done better, how can you justify dropping the 2nd best batsman in the team?

And SA bowlers didn't expose him as much as Rabada exposed him.

Even Anderson exposed Kohli in 2014 but are we still standing there?

And I am not taking about tests. I know Rohit has failed to deliver in tests and that's the biggest reason why people don't like giving him credit.

But it's unfair to let that cloud our judgement of the LOI player that is Rohit Sharma. In LOI Rohit is a beast. Every single expert I've heard, from Chappel, to Sachin, Kohli, Hussain, Botham, Warne, Ponting and many many others have all said that Rohit Sharma is one of the finest LOI batsmen.

How much do you wanna bet that all of those guys are wrong and you are right?

 

[MP2011]

Even Anderson exposed Kohli in 2014 but are we still standing there?

And Rohit is anywhere near Kohli? Its blasphemous to try equating him with Kohli in any yardstick.

 

[MP2011]

And lol at K L Rahul being failure at the top of order. How many chances has he got till now? The way he was dropped in the 3rd ODI against English team was disgraceful. Kohli & co should bow their heads in shame.

 

[the_outsider]

And Rohit is anywhere near Kohli? Its blasphemous to try equating him with Kohli in any yardstick.

True. But Kohli is not the only player to have come back from a bad tour. Many have done that. Many lesser players. So if they can do it, there's no reason to doubt that Rohit can.

 

[MP2011]

Let him get at least half the chances Rohit has got till now, kind of talent he possesses I'm sure he too would earn a decent career in ODIs for himself.

 

[MP2011]

True. But Kohli is not the only player to have come back from a bad tour. Many have done that. Many lesser players. So if they can do it, there's no reason to doubt that Rohit can.

Lets agree to disagree then. As I said earlier have followed Rohit's career right from its beginning and have no qualms in accepting that he probably can never be a good player of top class fast bowling on wickets that are not flat. Would love to be proved wrong though. If he can do it in next year's WC, I'll most happily say I was wrong all along.

 

[the_outsider]

Let him get at least half the chances Rohit has got till now, kind of talent he possesses I'm sure he too would earn a decent career in ODIs for himself.

I agree totally. But that chance doesn't need to come at the expense of a Rohit Sharma. That's my point.

I don't think in the 150 year history of cricket has a batsman been dropped for averaging 58 - no matter which team those scores came against.

 

[the_outsider]

Lets agree to disagree then. As I said earlier have followed Rohit's career right from its beginning and have no qualms in accepting that he probably can never be a good player of top class fast bowling on wickets that are not flat. Would love to be proved wrong though. If he can do it in next year's WC, I'll most happily say I was wrong all along.

I have also followed Rohit's career since 2007.

I saw him score a 50 on the spiciest pitch in the entire 2007 WT20 - against the likes of Pollock, Ntini, etc. He was 19 years old then.

I saw him in the 2008 VB series where he scored runs in both the finals against Australia against a fierce Aussie attack. And Australian pitches were much faster back then. He was 20 years old.

Yes, Rohit Sharma has a bit of a weakness against left-arm swing. Not pace. He plays pace as good as any batsman. Just look at his stats in Australia. He scored 171 against Starc. And that's only 1 out of 6 centuries in Australia. He also has a 99 there.

He struggles against top quality swing. Players can have weaknesses it's not the end of the world. Ponting couldn't play quality spin if his life depended on it. Ganguly struggled with the bouncer. Sehwag struggled with in-coming deliveries.

But would you ever think about dropping a Ponting or a Ganguly or a Sehwag just because of that? No way.

 

[pratiktc]

Thread has been hijacked by pointless Rohit Sharma debate.

Whatever his weaknesses may or may not be, it is ridiculous argument to consider dropping. Sharma walks into every international team's ODI playing XI as of today eyes closed, without second thought. (and with feet planted )

 

[cricketindiafan]

Lets agree to disagree then. As I said earlier have followed Rohit's career right from its beginning and have no qualms in accepting that he probably can never be a good player of top class fast bowling on wickets that are not flat. Would love to be proved wrong though. If he can do it in next year's WC, I'll most happily say I was wrong all along.

Add some more -where the ball swings by 5.765 degrees and bounces by1.6843 meters with the pacers bowling at 145.86 kmph

 

[Hasan123]

India finally looking to the future in the batting department. Vijay is past his best.

 

[MP2011]

Add some more -where the ball swings by 5.765 degrees and bounces by1.6843 meters with the pacers bowling at 145.86 kmph

No need to be salty, someone could have a different perspective than you.

 

[MenInG]

Hanuma Vihari gets a debut. Lets see how right the selectors were

 

[cricketjoshila]

Prithwi Shaw doesnot get a chance. So that Dhawan can keep his place. Now next test vs WI he will score runs and keep his place for Australia series.

This politics is nauseating.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Prithwi Shaw doesnot get a chance. So that Dhawan can keep his place. Now next test vs WI he will score runs and keep his place for Australia series.

This politics is nauseating.

Too many cliques within this side.