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Mustafizur Rahman is not Glenn McGrath and no guarantee he ever will be. He is a world class bowler at the moment, but not elite like Starc and Boult (yet). But he is far better than they were age 19/20. Him and Amir are not that far off as bowlers right now and that's a fact Pak fans have to swallow.
He just bowled Kane Williamson right now, has 2 wickets for 5 runs in two overs v NZL, 2-34 v India and 2-30 v Australia. All that coming back from an injury.

What I like about him is his pure intelligence of bowling. He teases and taunts the batsman, with variations, cutters, changes of pace, line and length. He can swing the ball if the conditions are right but he does not rely that much on swing. He is very accurate - loves classic seam line and length. McGrath was similar to this. Also, his age is around the McGrath region too - he can crack up to the 140s, but prefers the 130 kph range.

He has amazing wickets so far, and is having a hell of a T20.

Not saying he will become the next McGrath, but he has, amongst all the young bowlers shown the most similarity to the great one.

For me, prior to Mustafizur Rahman, Mohammad Asif showed that kind of mastery and skill.
 
Pure quality.

An intelligent bowler as well. Looks very humble. Will serve BD for many many years In sha Allah.
 
theycallhimtoecutter said:
Mustafizur Rahman is not Glenn McGrath and no guarantee he ever will be. He is a world class bowler at the moment, but not elite like Starc and Boult (yet). But he is far better than they were age 19/20. Him and Amir are not that far off as bowlers right now and that's a fact Pak fans have to swallow.
He just bowled Kane Williamson right now, has 2 wickets for 5 runs in two overs v NZL, 2-34 v India and 2-30 v Australia. All that coming back from an injury.

What I like about him is his pure intelligence of bowling. He teases and taunts the batsman, with variations, cutters, changes of pace, line and length. He can swing the ball if the conditions are right but he does not rely that much on swing. He is very accurate - loves classic seam line and length. McGrath was similar to this. Also, his age is around the McGrath region too - he can crack up to the 140s, but prefers the 130 kph range.

He has amazing wickets so far, and is having a hell of a T20.

Not saying he will become the next McGrath, but he has, amongst all the young bowlers shown the most similarity to the great one.

For me, prior to Mustafizur Rahman, Mohammad Asif showed that kind of mastery and skill.
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LOL - Why do we have to swallow anything?

He's a talented bowler that has been putting in excellent performances. Glenn McGrath? Steady on... We're talking about, potentially, one of the top 5 quicks to have ever played the game.
 
Looks a good bowler, good seam movement, doesn't chuck like Taskin but NO!!! he is nothing like Mcgrath lol... Bangla fans you need to hold your horses and control your emotions......
 
Sunzi said:
LOL - Why do we have to swallow anything?

He's a talented bowler that has been putting in excellent performances. Glenn McGrath? Steady on... We're talking about, potentially, one of the top 5 quicks to have ever played the game.
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You don't have to accept facts lol, but Amir and Mustafizur at this moment in time, considering age and experience are not that far off. You can disagree and say they are light years away but the stats prove otherwise. But I will agree, if you told me Amir at 18 > Musta now, I agree. But consider Amir as a whole, aged 23, with his experience v Mustafizur now aged 20, they are not that far off with Amir shading it.

He is not Glenn McGrath and no guarantee he will ever be, but he is very similar to McGrath in that he toys with batsmen with his variation, skill, line, length and pace. Mohammad Asif in his youth was like that too.

I think that's a fair comment to make. I see Wasim and Waqar hybrid in Amir, it's a compliment really
 
Yes. He is definitely a class act at the moment.

But honestly when oppositions know all the times that amir is going to bowl 2 overs at start and 2 overs at the end, they are ready for it. T20 is all about unpredictability and thats why Mustafiz is more successful in LOIs than amir at the moment. And thats where captain's role is important - to get the best out of a player. I bet amir will be far superior than him in tests where pure artist is required.
 
Asif was McGrath-esque. Same caliber.

Mustafizur is a very decent LOI bowler on Asian pitches at least.

McGrath was a great in Tests so this comparison or even hint of comparison is absurd.

Praise him for what he is but don't go overboard.
 
Mustafiz is best T20 pacer in Asia.

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He has skills and passion. Wahab should watch his last ball that got williamson, he was barely few inches away on the off side and musti got him.

Certainly most talented bowler in indian subcontinent at the moment.
 
if Mustafiz wants to become ATG he has to perform like this in tests. Without doing it in Tests you can't become an ATG.

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Mustafiz is nothing like McGrath.

Bamboozling batsmen with variations is not being McGrath.

If it were, then pre ban Narine and Ajmal are spin versions of McGrath.

To be McGrath, you have to work out batsmen on a crazy level.

Asif and Anderson are of the McGrath mould (even if not at the same level as him).
 
Mamoon said:
Better than Amir in Limited Overs at the moment.
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Old Amir lost 5 years back. Most likely he will not come back as before. I don't think he will do better in test either. He will be next Rahat Ali in test.
To be honest Musfiz is better thinking bowler than Wasim. I remember once opposition attacked Wasim he lost it completely and perform worse under pressure while Mustafiz is more mature than him & play according to situation.
 
Cricketfan2016 said:
:yk will get exposed so bad in IPL

1 year later everyone will feast on him
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He should not play IPL, its very competitive and bad for the morale of bowlers. He should stay with international cricket, IPL is for batsmen anyways.
 
The only bowler who genuinely bowls a lot like McGrath is Hazelwood. Similar line outside off stumps, similar cocked wrist, similar aim of hitting the seam and getting bounce from a good length.

Don't understand the mustafizur comparisons. He's not from the McGrath school of bowling at all. He's an exciting talent though, no doubt.
 
Fifer. 4-0-22-5. against a quality side. Wow! Well done lad.
 
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Not impressed by him tbh, he will get carted outside the subcontinent.

Got a number of wickets at the end which flattered him due to the batsmen going after him.
 
theycallhimtoecutter said:
You don't have to accept facts lol, but Amir and Mustafizur at this moment in time, considering age and experience are not that far off. You can disagree and say they are light years away but the stats prove otherwise. But I will agree, if you told me Amir at 18 > Musta now, I agree. But consider Amir as a whole, aged 23, with his experience v Mustafizur now aged 20, they are not that far off with Amir shading it.

He is not Glenn McGrath and no guarantee he will ever be, but he is very similar to McGrath in that he toys with batsmen with his variation, skill, line, length and pace. Mohammad Asif in his youth was like that too.

I think that's a fair comment to make. I see Wasim and Waqar hybrid in Amir, it's a compliment really
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What are you talking about? Honestly.

I asked you a simple question - why do Pakistan fans have to swallow it?

I didn't disagree in the first place. You're arguing with yourself and pinning it to my post.

I asked you a simple question - why do Pakistan fans have to swallow it? Did I, as a Pakistan fan, say something that suggested Mustafiz was any less than Amir?

I'm not interested in the argument concerning Amir and Mustafiz - I am old enough and ugly enough to form opinions based on the life I have lived and the cricket I have seen.

Mustafiz is a wonderful talent putting in great performances. Amir? I didn't bring Amir in to this - I just want to know why Pakistan fans need to swallow it?
 
The thing is already the reactions are stinging. People are analysing Amir's 0-80 and 1-fer v India to death, but Musta gets 5-22 v NZL, and we are saying 'yeahh but he'll get smashed in IPL'.
Lol?
 
Romali_rotti said:
Looks a good bowler, good seam movement, doesn't chuck like Taskin but NO!!! he is nothing like Mcgrath lol... Bangla fans you need to hold your horses and control your emotions......
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First time I've seen him bowl. He looks like another Mendis in that once teams figure out how to play him he'll disappear. This was the first time we've seen him and we gave him 3 wickets in the pursuit of runs on a slow wicket.
 
Aman said:
Not impressed by him tbh, he will get carted outside the subcontinent.

Got a number of wickets at the end which flattered him due to the batsmen going after him.
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And did you see him bowl a leg side half volley, a full toss or a bouncer on the off? It's not like he is getting wickets from poor balls. He can bowl at a good line and length as well
 
The slower ball is the one that does the damage, but it's the fact he can bowl 85MPH Yorkers that allow his slower one to be so effective.

I'm enjoying watching him bowl.
 
The most intelligent skilled bowler on the international scene. Slower balls, good line,bowls to field,adds spin..amazing bowler
 
Executioner said:
And did you see him bowl a leg side half volley, a full toss or a bouncer on the off? It's not like he is getting wickets from poor balls. He can bowl at a good line and length as well
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Yeah, you need a bit more than 130kph line and length to succeed outside the SC.
 
Lol. People are getting carried away a bit. The pitches in the tournament for the most part have been tailor made for his style of bowling. Bravo whose bowling style similarly revolves around slower cutters has been unplayable on these decks even if he's a class or two inferior to the top notch bowlers. The ball has gripped and fizzed big time on the surfaces, particularly today, it's as ideal and supportive a pitch it can be for Mustafiz. Let's not forget this.

Taking nothing away at all from him though. Set to be a gem of a bowler. One of the four best pacers going around in the world today, along with Starc, Rabada and Aamir. Each one of the four has his strengths and slight shortcomings that can be worked upon in terms of a particular format or a game situation in a particular format but they're all the same level of bowlers. Boult has faded away a bit but can recover.
 
Lords said:
He has skills and passion. Wahab should watch his last ball that got williamson, he was barely few inches away on the off side and musti got him.

Certainly most talented bowler in indian subcontinent at the moment.
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Yup, most talented bowler in INDIAN subcontinent. If you include rest of Asia and Middle-East, then Amir trumps him by a fair distance.
 
Yeah he should withdraw from the IPL. The next T20 world cup is four years away so he doesn't need to play so many T20s and plus you can never trust the BCCI. BCB should try their best to get him a county contract instead. And also the money being offered to a bowler of his quality in the IPL is a joke especially considering that Indian trundlers who wouldn't even make Bangladeshi domestic teams are getting way more. Jaydev Unadkat who lol?
 
Mamoon said:
Better than Amir in Limited Overs at the moment.
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i wonder what happened to Amir in last two games. He didn't used his brain at all like he did in Asia cup . I am already having feeling of him being involved in grouping, though i wish otherwise

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Aman said:
Yeah, you need a bit more than 130kph line and length to succeed outside the SC.
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So you think he can't bowl at 140ish? He can with that lanky figure of his and it will increase with time.

He is a smart bowler. He knew it was a slow wicket thus bowled slowly. The problem with some cricket fans is they judge a player with just one off performance.

If I watched Monroe bat today I will feel he is more of an accumulator. You have to watch him before to know he is a dasher mostly
 
asfandyar said:
Yup, most talented bowler in INDIAN subcontinent. If you include rest of Asia and Middle-East, then Amir trumps him by a fair distance.
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Don't just talk. Back ur talk with proper evidence. Do u even know what's Amir's bowling Stat in Asian conditions?
 
Cricketfan2016 said:
He is playing for SRH haha

Time for me to support RCB..
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Well thats bad, i am afraid we will hear from a lot of crying tigers about how BCCI neutralized him.

God forbids if he gets injured or reported in IPL, we will never hear the end of it.
 
asfandyar said:
Yup, most talented bowler in INDIAN subcontinent. If you include rest of Asia and Middle-East, then Amir trumps him by a fair distance.
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Lol, i forgot other asian countries out of Indian Subcontinent play cricket too.

Javed Miadad can better tell us if China has anyone better then both of these guys
 
asfandyar said:
Yup, most talented bowler in INDIAN subcontinent. If you include rest of Asia and Middle-East, then Amir trumps him by a fair distance.
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Indian subcontinent includes pakistan. What the heck are you going on about?
 
Executioner said:
So you think he can't bowl at 140ish? He can with that lanky figure of his and it will increase with time.

He is a smart bowler. He knew it was a slow wicket thus bowled slowly. The problem with some cricket fans is they judge a player with just one off performance.

If I watched Monroe bat today I will feel he is more of an accumulator. You have to watch him before to know he is a dasher mostly
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He seems like a bowler who relies on cutters to pick up his wickets.

On wickets where there is no grip or has pace, it will only sit up to be hit into the stands.
 
Prince_ said:
R u new in watching cricket. He can easily bowl over 140.
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Read above, this is the first time I've seen him bowl.

Still maintain he's another Mendis where his effectiveness will only diminish the more the opposition play him.
 
Aman said:
He seems like a bowler who relies on cutters to pick up his wickets.

On wickets where there is no grip or has pace, it will only sit up to be hit into the stands.
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He also bowled a lot of seam up deliveries and troubled batsman. Watch hks 3 wickets in an over against SA in an over in a test match. Got Amla Kock and duminy
 
Executioner said:
He also bowled a lot of seam up deliveries and troubled batsman. Watch hks 3 wickets in an over against SA in an over in a test match. Got Amla Kock and duminy
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In the SC.

What makes you think his skill set will be successful outside the SC?
 
Messiah said:
Indian subcontinent includes pakistan. What the heck are you going on about?
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How's life after waking up from coma? 70 years is a long, long time mate. You missed a lot. Indian subcontinent used to include Pakistan, but now the South Asian subcontinent does. Some geography experts even classify Pakistan in the Middle-East, but I am more comfortable with the former.
 
Aman said:
In the SC.

What makes you think his skill set will be successful outside the SC?
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Bowling at good line and length with decent pace will give you wickets anywhere in the world. You don't need to be a genius to know that.

McGrath didn't have any special skill set. His line and length wss exceptional and a brilliant brain
 
Out of the batsmen that he has bowled to so far, Dhoni and Dhawan have played him the best and i expect them to score heavily against Mustafizur.The key is to play him as much as possible on the backfoot and wait for his deliveries.Players with strong bottom hand like Maxwell and Buttler etc will cart him for plenty.But guys who rely on timing like Rohit and Raina will struggle against him on asian pitches.Just a matter of time before he turns out to be the next Mendis.
 
Glen Mcgrath? come on guys, he got a long way to go yet but thus far he reminds me a great deal of Nathan Bracken who was an incredible limited overs bowler and criminally underrated.
 
Executioner said:
Bowling at good line and length with decent pace will give you wickets anywhere in the world. You don't need to be a genius to know that.

McGrath didn't have any special skill set. His line and length wss exceptional and a brilliant brain
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You obviously haven't seen LOI cricket in SA lately or in NZ and Aus before.
 
simon619 said:
Glen Mcgrath? come on guys, he got a long way to go yet but thus far he reminds me a great deal of Nathan Bracken who was an incredible limited overs bowler and criminally underrated.
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McGrath bowled an immaculate line and length outside off and was tall and get it to come through at an awkward height.

Muzifizar is neither tall nor does he have the ability to bowl 50 out of 60 deliveries on the mark.
 
Can we not discuss Mustafizur with people who clearly haven't seen him bowl? Thanks.
 
Special bowler, no doubt. More skillful & crafty than Amir.
 
Mustafa will be found out outside subcontinent where the ball doesn't grip. Those cutters will come onto the bat perfectly and he will be carted.
 
Aman said:
McGrath bowled an immaculate line and length outside off and was tall and get it to come through at an awkward height.

Muzifizar is neither tall nor does he have the ability to bowl 50 out of 60 deliveries on the mark.
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It's a silly comparison, visit the thread I just opened for a sensible assessment.
 
Let him get some 5 wicket hauls in Test cricket. It's only when performing in Tests will we know that he really has the ability to take wickets.

At the moment a good ODI & T20 bowler.
 
asfandyar said:
How's life after waking up from coma? 70 years is a long, long time mate. You missed a lot. Indian subcontinent used to include Pakistan, but now the South Asian subcontinent does. Some geography experts even classify Pakistan in the Middle-East, but I am more comfortable with the former.
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Lol @ pakistan in middle east. Thank god you didnt make it part of palestine or africa.
Unless pakistan shifted the land to europe after separation it will be in Indian Subcontinent for ever. And you are of Indian origin like it or not
 
Aman said:
McGrath bowled an immaculate line and length outside off and was tall and get it to come through at an awkward height.

Muzifizar is neither tall nor does he have the ability to bowl 50 out of 60 deliveries on the mark.
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Nothing like Mcgrath, Mcgrath was all about that line and length and awkward bounce he was not much of a seam bowler. Asif and Muzifizar have similarties as both gets the ball to seam but neither were anything like Mcgrath.. I can relate to the Nathan Bracken comparison though that is a valid one..
 
This kid is special and their is no denying in that. Comparison is not fair on Amir he has been out for 5 years, so he is still finding his feet on international cricket. But its good to see from cricketing point of view we have good fast bowlers in line to entertain cricket lovers, as it is already batting dominating world.
 
Hahahaha, Give me a break! This guy haven't even played in England, Australia and South Africa, if he does he won't do better than Amir. Amir is way way wayyyyyyyyyy better than him.

Mustafiz just a fluke, after couple of months, people won't even remember him.
 
Mcgrath is a robot who ball stamp to stamp & out swinger with same line & length over and over just like balling machine while Mustafiz has more variation.
 
imteaz said:
Hahahaha, Give me a break! This guy haven't even played in England, Australia and South Africa, if he does he won't do better than Amir. Amir is way way wayyyyyyyyyy better than him.

Mustafiz just a fluke, after couple of months, people won't even remember him.
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I think Amir is better, but I wouldn't say by that margin. Certaintly not in ODIs for T20is for that matter.
 
Sorry Bangladeshi fans but....

Amir >>>> musta

Some people are in born legend. Amir is one of them.

Musta is just having a good patch. It will run out soon.
 
Itachi said:
Sorry Bangladeshi fans but....

Amir >>>> musta

Some people are in born legend. Amir is one of them.

Musta is just having a good patch. It will run out soon.
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that's fine,
I would rate Amir above Mustafizur.
But not by much if we judge them on the present.

The thing about this is Mustafizur is only 20, Amir is 23. Mustafizur may go down as a great bowler, or flop who knows. But same for Amir.

If the Amir of 18 in 2010 carried on, then yes, this would not even be a debate. Amir would be the best in the world 100% - better than Starc. But unfortunately, we are in 2016 now, with Amir turning 24 next week, with Mustafizur aged 20. At this moment in time he is not as good as he was aged 18. He has regressed, I maintain. Amir had more zip, more 'killer' instinct when he was younger.

People doubted whether Mustafiz could do anything outside Bangladesh. He has 9 wickets this world cup in 3 games, with an amazing economy rate and has dissmissed top order batmsen - the majority of his wickets coming by way of clean bowled. He just came back from an injury. The wickets he picked up in Bangladesh were in non fast bowling friendly conditions.

Mustafizur is a much more intelligent bowler than Amir Amir goes for the kill straight away, fast and furious and has a fear factor about him, that is true. Though it works at times, as it worked v Soumya Sarkar, it also can backfire, as Batsman get used to his pace and style, so they tonk him around for 10 an over.

But Mustafizur has his man outfoxed. He toys with the batsman, for about three deliveries, and then gets him bowled by the end of it. He has much more variations, has a decent yorker, is unusually accurate and is also quite quick. He can crank it up to 135 to 140+ ks when needed.

Amir has more pace and more of a 'wow factor'. I think that is why Pak fans will rate him no matter what the stats suggest. It's understandable. Amir has the x-factor that Shoaib, Waqar et all had. That all action nature. Mustafizur is more of an artistic, cunning seamer.

Mustafizur idolises Amir, and fans need to realize that he is a respectful and decent cricketer. Amir was a one off, once in a generation or even lifetime talent. But with great power comes great uncontainablity. It is difficult to create efficiency with Amir. Mustafizur doesnt have that level of sheer talent, but he has a better cricketing 'iq' and more efficiency (so far)
 
Lords said:
Lol @ pakistan in middle east. Thank god you didnt make it part of palestine or africa.
Unless pakistan shifted the land to europe after separation it will be in Indian Subcontinent for ever. And you are of Indian origin like it or not
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Another 'but we are Arab' delusion
Pakistan is Indian Subcontinent, as is Bangladesh, India, Nephal and so on.
 
Put the anointing oil away fans. Fizzy is just started. Whether he goes the Amir route or B Kumar route no one will know. His cutters are a novelty. If he relies solely on that and doesnt develop his overall game, he will be a flash in the pan.
 
McGrath ? Is there any limit to stupidity? Let's keep this thread alive, comeback and check in 2 years
 
At the end of this IPL we will see mediocre Indian IPL filler batsmen taking fizzler to dhobi ghaat :)))
 
Lords said:
Lol @ pakistan in middle east. Thank god you didnt make it part of palestine or africa.
Unless pakistan shifted the land to europe after separation it will be in Indian Subcontinent for ever. And you are of Indian origin like it or not
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I had two Kashmiri pandits tell our white neighbors that they descended from Germans and then pointed at me and another dark South Indian guy and said these two are the real Indians. Mind blown.
 
Lol.. cmparison with McGrath has started.. hieght of dellusion. Let him survive for 2 years n then talk
 
The current crop of BD bowlers are talented no doubt but some of these fans. yeesh. Mushtafiz Mcgrath, Taskin Lee, Al-Amin Gillespie, Shakib al Warne lol
 
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