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"Mustafizur Rahman has got the skill set, X-factor Wasim Akram had" : Dale Steyn

The fizz has played 5 matches against India in international cricket, he got lots of wickets in the first 2 matches because of the mystery factor but after he was found out by the indian batsmen, he was smashed around in the next 3 matches, the "legend" :)) so called best t20 bowler averages 37 with the ball against India in t20s at an economy of 9.25 :)))
 
Wow great compliment coming from the greatest of this generation and yet he is hoping for another mustafiz the next season
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Prince_ said:
LOL. He single handedly took Bangla to the Asia cup final. If rain hadn't interruptrd the final he would've won it for Bangladesh.


Who told u that amir is superior than Musta in Tests. Lol. England is the only place where amir did well in test and the reason behind his success is quite obvious. Isn't it? England is considered as heaven for swing bowling and any xyz fast bowler looks like Steyn in that condition. :yk2


Apart from England he was miserable in every other places he visited in his short career. He had an an average of 45 or something like that in SL,NZ and Australia.


He has an average of fortyyyyyyyyyy but, but he's better than fizz. Give me a break pls. :yk
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How he would have won the Asia cup final if Rain had not interrupted when he was not even fit enough to play it?

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Bangla will be hosting england for two tests this year and later this year will tour newzealand for a couple of test matches. Mustafiz can prove his doubters wrong in test cricket.
 
Not surprised by the comments from a legend. For a 20 year old, Fizz does come across as an extremely accomplished bowler - sets his own fields, knows exactly when to bowl what kind of deliveries with total control. As he matures, he will only get better.

Obviously all this is based on shorter formats, but to see him become a very successful Test bowler will not be a surprise either.
 
I sincerely hope that for the next five years all the above posters stay on Pakpassion and half a decade down the road we bump this thread to check whether Mustafezer has become what 70% of the posters here claim him to be.

I don't know how old people are on this forum but clearly by many posts going about earlier in the piece I can safely say that quite a number of these blokes really haven't seen Akram bowl during the mid 90s, someone I think mentioned Akram was bad at bowling conventional swing :facepalm:. Those who have seen Akram during the 90s will almost always laugh at such comparisons.

Anyways, in my experience and throughout the history of Fast bowling two type of bowlers become successful.

1) Those who are fast (I am talking about really fast here !!) and can swing (conventional and reverse)
2) Those who are fast medium but have a height advantage going usually over 6'2 and above.

Mustafezer has neither of the above two quantities hence once the mystery factor dies I am calling decent batting lineups to take him Apart on most occasions. I understand Jingoism disables the mind to think rationally but if you look at it logically Mustafezer has to literally out bowl historic evidence of fast bowling success if he's to go down half the bowler Akram was.

Nothing against the lad but in my humble opinion and watching and following the game for the last 20 years I think Fizz will end up as someone like Irfan Pathan or at most Zaheer Khan.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
How he would have won the Asia cup final if Rain had not interrupted when he was not even fit enough to play it?

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There u have it. He didn't even play the match due to his injury. My bad, I totally forgot it. Had he played in that rain affected match he would've made it much more harder for the Indians. :yk

But ya, India still would've won it. Kohli is something else while chasing a target.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Bangla will be hosting england for two tests this year and later this year will tour newzealand for a couple of test matches. Mustafiz can prove his doubters wrong in test cricket.
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He should retire from test cricket all together in order to prolong his career. It's a useless format anyway.

Besides, these days it's amost impossible for a fast bowler to continuously play in all three formats.
 
Great compliments from a great man.. Let's hope he can continue his form and keeps on growing.. Always good to see great bowlers in an era of batting.. Wish him luck for future..
 
Prince_ said:
He should retire from test cricket all together in order to prolong his career. It's a useless format anyway.

Besides, these days it's amost impossible for a fast bowler to continuously play in all three formats.
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I agree bro, he should also retire from ODIs as they are irrelevant since t20s became popular, he should just concentrate on t20s and become the greatest t20 bowler of all time :srini
 
carrom_ball said:
I agree bro, he should also retire from ODIs as they are irrelevant since t20s became popular, he should just concentrate on t20s and become the greatest t20 bowler of all time :srini
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I agree bro, as there are not much International T20s so he should retire from T20Is and should only play tamasha leagues of all kinds like PSL, IPL, BPL, CPL :)))
 
carrom_ball said:
I agree bro, he should also retire from ODIs as they are irrelevant since t20s became popular, he should just concentrate on t20s and become the greatest t20 bowler of all time :srini
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Na mere bhai, he and Starc are the only two bowlers who have the potentials of becoming the wasim and McGrath of this Era. Therefore, imo he should stick to odi cricket :yk
 
Prince_ said:
Na mere bhai, he and Starc are the only two bowlers who have the potentials of becoming the wasim and McGrath of this Era. Therefore, imo he should stick to odi cricket :yk
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But ODI cricket is boring and irrelevant, also he might get injured bowling 10 overs per match, so he should retire to prolong his career :yk2
 
carrom_ball said:
But ODI cricket is boring and irrelevant, also he might get injured bowling 10 overs per match, so he should retire to prolong his career :yk2
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Nah, he will be fine. :sree

Remember, he still needs to take 477 odi wickets in order to surpass wasim and become one of the greatest LOI bowlers of all time. :wasim:
 
Prince_ said:
Nah, he will be fine. :sree

Remember, he still needs to take 477 odi wickets in order to surpass wasim and become one of the greatest LOI bowlers of all time. :wasim:
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One of the greatest? Set a higher standard bro, he has to become THE greatest LOI bowler of all time, think big :yk
 
carrom_ball said:
One of the greatest? Set a higher standard bro, he has to become THE greatest LOI bowler of all time, think big :yk
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Indeed. But I won't mind if he shares the top spot with bowlers like wasim or McGrath. After all both of them r my all time favorites. :uakmal:
 
Everyone just calm down lol. These comparisons are OTT. Wasim was something else altogether...Mustafizur is a different type of bowler.
 
Lol at comparison with Akram. Mustafiz can be compared with Nathan Bracken and that too is a big compliment for him . He is just another Sohail tanvir with bit more pace and we all know where Tanver is right now even though he was quite successfull initially. If these leagues are the criteria then yasir arafat is comparable to waqar younis.
 
What I love best about him is, unlike other Bangladeshi superstars, he hasn't let the hype get to him. Never seen him going over the top, taunting oppositions or even celebrating wickets much even though he must be a super star in Bangladesh. He seems to be very mature and has a good head on his shoulder at such a young age, focuses only on his bowling, seems very determined for success. He will go a long way with that attitude and he seems to be learning with each match
 
Indiafan said:
What I love best about him is, unlike other Bangladeshi superstars, he hasn't let the hype get to him. Never seen him going over the top, taunting oppositions or even celebrating wickets much even though he must be a super star in Bangladesh. He seems to be very mature and has a good head on his shoulder at such a young age, focuses only on his bowling, seems very determined for success. He will go a long way with that attitude and he seems to be learning with each match
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Yup. I wanted to post the same as well. What I like the most about the boy is that he is very grounded and his boyish innocence unlike say Mushfiqur or Shakib. It's great to see that he hasn't let all the praise get to his head and that's a very good sign. Hopefully he continues to keep that attitude and keeps on improving which will keep him in good stead for his career in future.
 
Reminds me of the time when Mendis was called the next Murali
 
sshakir411 said:
reminds me of the time when Irfan Pathan was called the next Wasim Akram
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Oh yeah.. That one too especially after that hattrick. Every leftie is compared to Akram after a couple of performances. I think Starc is the true successor.
 
The kind of hate Mustafizur gets on this forum :facepalm:

Not sure how he deserves it when he as an average less than 18 in all forms of cricket, intl or domestic with an exceptional economy rate. Early days, but all these in wickets where the pacers usually don't have much purchase!
 
Executioner said:
The kind of hate Mustafizur gets on this forum :facepalm:

Not sure how he deserves it when he as an average less than 18 in all forms of cricket, intl or domestic with an exceptional economy rate. Early days, but all these in wickets where the pacers usually don't have much purchase!
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Bhai I enjoy reading your posts
I think mustafizur is a good bowler and doing well, but some bangldeshis are going over the top. U have one in this exact thread saying him and starc are equal :facepalm:, he hasn't replied to any of my responses as to why starc is better. But I think he gets the hate because of bangldeshis going OTT u don't seem to be one.
 
Hasan123 said:
Bhai I enjoy reading your posts
I think mustafizur is a good bowler and doing well, but some bangldeshis are going over the top. U have one in this exact thread saying him and starc are equal :facepalm:, he hasn't replied to any of my responses as to why starc is better. But I think he gets the hate because of bangldeshis going OTT u don't seem to be one.
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That is why hate the posters who go OTT and not the player who is humble. He never compared himself to anything, everyone is doing it for him.

About starc and mustafiz being equal. Well both are completely different bowlers. Wasim is nothing like Mustafiz, mustafiz is nothing like Wasim.

Wasim was the sultan of swing, he could swing the ball miles. Wickets these days have no swing for anyone and especially in Asia, even if they did Mustafiz still doesn't have the skill to swing it that much. Also, Mustafizur has a magnificent cutter which Wasim didn't posess.

The point Steyn wanted to emphasize on was:
1) Yorker: Mustafiz at this age can bowl those sharp yorkers with the the zip Wasim would bowl especially against the RHB.
2) Control: Both could bowl at a good line and length.
3) Thinking ability: Both have the ability to outsmart batsman. That russel dismissal was an example.

Also will add that Mustafiz is nothing like Starc. Starc is my favourite LOI bowler, can bowl up top and also at the death. Mustafiz isn't too useful first up because he doesn't have the conventional swing or steep bounce starc has but Mustafiz has not only been a great death bowler but good in the middle overs.

In my opinion, even Starc is a different kind of bowler to Wasim, Amir however, is similar to Wasim with less swing(has to do with condition) but more pace(clocking 145+ these days).

IMO, I rate starc higher than Amir and Mustafiz. However, most teams would want Mustafiz more than the others because of his effectiveness in batting friendly and/or spin friendly conditions when the other two would be ineffective. The fact that mustafiz has those cutters that is useful when all others pacers are ineffective in flat/spinning wickets. Amir and Starc are lethal in Pace friendly conditions but so are most other bowlers. The idea of having a bowler who can wreak havoc on slower wickets, and is so miser at the death with the cutters, and yorkers.

I have high hopes Mustafizur will only get better. I think he is a quick learner. He has mastered the yorker and increased his pace by 5 KPH in just one year. He is humble so its an upward curve unlike most of our players whose life goal is to post a picture of WI beating India instead of actually being there to beat India.
 
I like his attitude and humblness but with off cutters as his main weapon , its only matter of time when he will be tonked all over the ground .
 
Greenstorm said:
I like his attitude and humblness but with off cutters as his main weapon , its only matter of time when he will be tonked all over the ground .
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People have been saying it since his debut against India. Guess what, nothing has happened.

Fizz is still as fearsome as he was in his first series against India. He's going from strength to strength and he's on his way to become one of the greatest fast bowlers In the history of cricket :yk
 
The Bowler Fizz is humble. Boy of few words.

The fans and haters need to learn a few things from him. Stop trying to up one another. As an Admin already said here, "Your opinion doesn't hold any weight" - so just let it go.
 
Prince_ said:
People have been saying it since his debut against India. Guess what, nothing has happened.

Fizz is still as fearsome as he was in his first series against India. He's going from strength to strength and he's on his way to become one of the greatest fast bowlers In the history of cricket :yk
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8-0-72-2 happened
 
Executioner said:
That is why hate the posters who go OTT and not the player who is humble. He never compared himself to anything, everyone is doing it for him.

About starc and mustafiz being equal. Well both are completely different bowlers. Wasim is nothing like Mustafiz, mustafiz is nothing like Wasim.

Wasim was the sultan of swing, he could swing the ball miles. Wickets these days have no swing for anyone and especially in Asia, even if they did Mustafiz still doesn't have the skill to swing it that much. Also, Mustafizur has a magnificent cutter which Wasim didn't posess.

The point Steyn wanted to emphasize on was:
1) Yorker: Mustafiz at this age can bowl those sharp yorkers with the the zip Wasim would bowl especially against the RHB.
2) Control: Both could bowl at a good line and length.
3) Thinking ability: Both have the ability to outsmart batsman. That russel dismissal was an example.

Also will add that Mustafiz is nothing like Starc. Starc is my favourite LOI bowler, can bowl up top and also at the death. Mustafiz isn't too useful first up because he doesn't have the conventional swing or steep bounce starc has but Mustafiz has not only been a great death bowler but good in the middle overs.

In my opinion, even Starc is a different kind of bowler to Wasim, Amir however, is similar to Wasim with less swing(has to do with condition) but more pace(clocking 145+ these days).

IMO, I rate starc higher than Amir and Mustafiz. However, most teams would want Mustafiz more than the others because of his effectiveness in batting friendly and/or spin friendly conditions when the other two would be ineffective. The fact that mustafiz has those cutters that is useful when all others pacers are ineffective in flat/spinning wickets. Amir and Starc are lethal in Pace friendly conditions but so are most other bowlers. The idea of having a bowler who can wreak havoc on slower wickets, and is so miser at the death with the cutters, and yorkers.

I have high hopes Mustafizur will only get better. I think he is a quick learner. He has mastered the yorker and increased his pace by 5 KPH in just one year. He is humble so its an upward curve unlike most of our players whose life goal is to post a picture of WI beating India instead of actually being there to beat India.
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Good analysis this! I would disagree with your comment on STarc though. Starc is very effective on any type of wicket. He can pick wickets on flat decks too. However, he probably won't be as economical as Fizz.
 
Most teams will choose Mustafizur over the man of the tournament of last year's World Cup on exceptionally flat pitches?
 
Most teams will chose Mustafizur over Starc or Amir? :))) Now I've heard it all.

Mustafizur isn't played as an attacking option by even his IPL captain. He is used when the slog is on to take wickets of attacking batsmen. You are comparing him with two bowlers who can bowl at 150 (Starc at 155) and swing/seam the new ball.

Mustafizur is himself a good lad but these supporters of his are a different breed.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
Pakistan fans incensed because Mustafizur's being compared to Wasim.

Indian fans incensed possibly because we've never produced a fast bowler who's ever been compared to Wasim by anyone respectable, despite all the money being pumped into the game.

And Bangladeshi fans incensed because they know that unless he does well in Tests - an arena where he will be let down by his teammates - The Fizz will not get the global respect he seems to deserve.

You could roast a feast on the all round burn. :ibutt
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Irfan Pathan from 2004-2006.
 
In Limited Overs:

Starc > > > > The Fizz > Amir

Starc is on his way to becoming the best Limited Overs pacer ever. Can't believe some people are calling The Fizz his equal.

However, there is no doubt that The Fizz is a special talent and more skilled than Amir in the shorter formats because he has more variations.

Amir can look flat at times without swing. Needs to improve his yorker to Starc's level or/and develop other variations like off-cutters etc. if he is going to justify the enormous hype in Limited Overs.
 
Mamoon said:
In Limited Overs:

Starc > > > > The Fizz > Amir

Starc is on his way to becoming the best Limited Overs pacer ever. Can't believe some people are calling The Fizz his equal.

However, there is no doubt that The Fizz is a special talent and more skilled than Amir in the shorter formats because he has more variations.

Amir can look flat at times without swing. Needs to improve his yorker to Starc's level or/and develop other variations like off-cutters etc. if he is going to justify the enormous hype in Limited Overs.
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I think people just forgot who Starc was due to his absence. He was picking 5 fers for breakfast, lunch and dinner not too long ago.
 
Looks a good talent, I'm hedging my bets on Rabada being the star of this generation though. He's dreamy to watch in full flow.
 
Skill set?
No,I don't think so.mustafiz has his own special skill set and wasim had other skill set and skill set of wasim was superior than skill set of mustafiz(now) in terms of effectiveness across the formats and conditions.hope that he will learn all skills of wasim to be ATG as wasim.


X-factor?
Yes,I think he has it.

Last of all, when one of the greats (of his era) like Dale Steyen says something,then we all should respect his words as I must believe that he must have seen something for saying those words.
 
rhony said:
8-0-72-2 happened
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8-0-72-2, which isnt too bad and that is the only thing you can come up with? Virat had a poor time in 2015 scoring single digits doesnt mean he cant have an odd performance here or there.
 
rhony said:
Good analysis this! I would disagree with your comment on STarc though. Starc is very effective on any type of wicket. He can pick wickets on flat decks too. However, he probably won't be as economical as Fizz.
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Starc hasnt played too much on SC tbh. However, those yorkers of his will be as good regardless which is why would still be effective in the death in SC.

But would not blame him if he cant do as exceptionally well in SC wickets. The wickets can be slow, low and wont provude swing so its tough work for pace bowlers. Still overal I think Starc will be the best bowler of this generation. Mustafiz can be the best if he can master the conventional swing
 
Executioner said:
Starc hasnt played too much on SC tbh. However, those yorkers of his will be as good regardless which is why would still be effective in the death in SC.

But would not blame him if he cant do as exceptionally well in SC wickets. The wickets can be slow, low and wont provude swing so its tough work for pace bowlers. Still overal I think Starc will be the best bowler of this generation. Mustafiz can be the best if he can master the conventional swing
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Do you actually watch starc? U know the world cup in a us had the most flat tracks? Guess who dominated that world cup? And star doesn't depend on bounce like Johnson. So why would subcontinent pitch affect him. If you mean a real spin-friendly track, then I guess starc will be less effective than the spinners, but that's why it's called spin-friendly track right?
 
Syed1 said:
Most teams will chose Mustafizur over Starc or Amir? :))) Now I've heard it all.

Mustafizur isn't played as an attacking option by even his IPL captain. He is used when the slog is on to take wickets of attacking batsmen. You are comparing him with two bowlers who can bowl at 150 (Starc at 155) and swing/seam the new ball.

Mustafizur is himself a good lad but these supporters of his are a different breed.
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Not only Bangladesh fans but others too doing this,i have read in cricbuzz Warner saying he is almost like Starc .Everybody is hyping him,commentators ,coaches,opposition players . So don't blame Bangladesh fans only if you and some other think he does not deserve these complements .

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I think Wasim is OTT comparison.

Amir and Mustafiz is a better comparison. Both have different skill sets and both have chance to get the better of the other over the course of their careers.

But don't know how it will pan out.
 
Executioner said:
8-0-72-2, which isnt too bad and that is the only thing you can come up with? Virat had a poor time in 2015 scoring single digits doesnt mean he cant have an odd performance here or there.
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A guy whose economy rate is his USP goes for 9 an over against a team that was supposed to be his bunny. That's worthy of a mention every time. One was on a green pitch and the other was on a slow wicket. The Indians mastered him.
 
Syed1 said:
Most teams will chose Mustafizur over Starc or Amir? :))) Now I've heard it all.

Mustafizur isn't played as an attacking option by even his IPL captain. He is used when the slog is on to take wickets of attacking batsmen. You are comparing him with two bowlers who can bowl at 150 (Starc at 155) and swing/seam the new ball.

Mustafizur is himself a good lad but these supporters of his are a different breed.
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Why not. Any team will choose a fantastic bowler like fizz over a GTB like amir. 8-81-0, remember? :))) :)))

Who told u that he hasn't been used as an attacking option by his ipl captain. Almost in every match he bowled 1/2 overs at the beginning of the Innis and did a marvelous job on ever occasion.


Attacking/wicket taking bowler are those who are usually brought back by the captain whenever the team is in trouble and fizz has been fulfilling that role since his debut :yk
 
Messiah said:
Do you actually watch starc? U know the world cup in a us had the most flat tracks? Guess who dominated that world cup? And star doesn't depend on bounce like Johnson. So why would subcontinent pitch affect him. If you mean a real spin-friendly track, then I guess starc will be less effective than the spinners, but that's why it's called spin-friendly track right?
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Australian pitches still had plenty for Starc to work with, especially the carry. Indian pace attack, heck even BD pace attack looked sharp in the world cup.

Still, starc leads the pack and hence was successful.

rhony said:
A guy whose economy rate is his USP goes for 9 an over against a team that was supposed to be his bunny. That's worthy of a mention every time. One was on a green pitch and the other was on a slow wicket. The Indians mastered him.
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He gave away 40 runs in 4 overs in one game where he was coming back from an injury without any practice. As for the 2nd match, i think he did quite well considering the size of the boundaries. He gave away 32 odd runs in 4 overs and took two wickets. Now all that bowling in the death and powerplay.

You don't have to keep mentioning the same performance over and over again. This is similar to some people bringing up Wahab's spell in the world cup.
 
Surprised by Steyn's comments. Riding the IPL-hype train. Wasim was a completely different bowler. Amir is the only left-armer right now who even closely resembles Akram's skill-set.

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Mustafizur has the extra ordinary gift of deception and that will continue to bring him rewards in limited overs cricket where he will be an annoying bowler to deal with when big shots are the need of the hour.

In tests, i don't think he has the natural ability to cause much trouble. Overall a very decent package, more in the Nathan Bracken mode.

Amir is a mayhem for batsmen in any format given his ability and guts. He is destined to be a greater test bowler and in ODIs as well he has just enough ability to beat all competition without the need of deception.

Overall, i willl still put AMir much ahead of Mustafitur.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Mustafizur has the extra ordinary gift of deception and that will continue to bring him rewards in limited overs cricket where he will be an annoying bowler to deal with when big shots are the need of the hour.

In tests, i don't think he has the natural ability to cause much trouble. Overall a very decent package, more in the Nathan Bracken mode.

Amir is a mayhem for batsmen in any format given his ability and guts. He is destined to be a greater test bowler and in ODIs as well he has just enough ability to beat all competition without the need of deception.

Overall, i willl still put AMir much ahead of Mustafitur.
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Both bowlers have yet to prove themselves..

Amir hasnt done well outside england and mustafiz hasnt played outside bangladesh. Still mustafiz is ahead on performance so far but the aample size is so small. In a couple of years time we will be able to make a better judgement. The best test is the test of time.
 
Don't even mention Starc's name in the same sentence as fizz and amir, he's leagues ahead of both, starc is the best limited overs bowler in the world currently and has the potentional to become the best of all time. [MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION] you disappoint me when you say teams will choose fizz over starc :))) I like to troll bangla fans now and then but this is an a FACT that no team, NO TEAM, will ever even think about fizz if they have starc, you try to sound sensible amongst the other bangla posters but even you let out your inner bangla fan out from time to time :srini
 
carrom_ball said:
Don't even mention Starc's name in the same sentence as fizz and amir, he's leagues ahead of both, starc is the best limited overs bowler in the world currently and has the potentional to become the best of all time. [MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION] you disappoint me when you say teams will choose fizz over starc :))) I like to troll bangla fans now and then but this is an a FACT that no team, NO TEAM, will ever even think about fizz if they have starc, you try to sound sensible amongst the other bangla posters but even you let out your inner bangla fan out from time to time :srini
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Since Fizz started his int career year ago yet has a long way to go, but when you are obsessed to just let down ones achievement then let compare them. with comparison even your own Starc doesn't stand close to FIzz so far. Here is your own S. Rajesh analysis:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1005013.html

now compare starc and Fizz at their respective career you will see who is having upperhand.
 
Shaan said:
Since Fizz started his int career year ago yet has a long way to go, but when you are obsessed to just let down ones achievement then let compare them. with comparison even your own Starc doesn't stand close to FIzz so far. Here is your own S. Rajesh analysis:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1005013.html

now compare starc and Fizz at their respective career you will see who is having upperhand.
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:))) do you watch cricket with eyes closed, starc is different level, I am not even going to argue this stupid point, you have to be utterly delusional to think fizz is even fit enough to tie starc's shoelaces, starc is different league, fizz cannot even dream to achieve starc's level. You talking about stats shows how little your knowledge about cricket is, starc didn't start off as the greatest bowler in world cricket, but in the last couple of years he has reached a level which fizz can't ever reach. It is asinine to even discuss this :facepalm:
 
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:))) do you watch cricket with eyes closed, starc is different level, I am not even going to argue this stupid point, you have to be utterly delusional to think fizz is even fit enough to tie starc's shoelaces, starc is different league, fizz cannot even dream to achieve starc's level. You talking about stats shows how little your knowledge about cricket is, starc didn't start off as the greatest bowler in world cricket, but in the last couple of years he has reached a level which fizz can't ever reach. It is asinine to even discuss this :facepalm:
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so, now you are going gagaga, buddy I have watched enough cricket since 80's my fav bowlers are like Akram, hadlee, Ambrose. Those are the guys I always admire, to me there will be no Akram. The point we are talking about who is performing, most matter how does one performs and outshine with his smartness, intelligent bowling. Certainly tendulkar is not a good looking not a manly looking guy so base on your point should i say Tendulkar is not great batsman compare to Kevin peterson, compare to Gyle, compare to Gichrist cause they had the agressive attitude in their bating ! When great players like warner, Steyn, Laxman are praising him, in fact these people are the ones playing and played at this level then who you and me are the armchair computer experts to say just whatever come to mind.
 
Shaan said:
so, now you are going gagaga, buddy I have watched enough cricket since 80's my fav bowlers are like Akram, hadlee, Ambrose. Those are the guys I always admire, to me there will be no Akram. The point we are talking about who is performing, most matter how does one performs and outshine with his smartness, intelligent bowling. Certainly tendulkar is not a good looking not a manly looking guy so base on your point should i say Tendulkar is not great batsman compare to Kevin peterson, compare to Gyle, compare to Gichrist cause they had the agressive attitude in their bating ! When great players like warner, Steyn, Laxman are praising him, in fact these people are the ones playing and played at this level then who you and me are the armchair computer experts to say just whatever come to mind.
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Good looking? Have you lost your marbles? What in the blue hell are you going on about? Do you know why it is asinine to mention the fizz with starc? Because starc is 6'6" , he bowls near 150ks, can swing the bowl at high pace, can bowl deadly yorkers at will, he was man of the tournament in the world cup. The fizz can be a good bowler, but only a brainelss delusional fan would think he can even come close to starc. The fizz is 5'11", bowls in mid 130s to 140, he can't swing the ball to save his life, he hasn' bowled much outside bangladesh, he relies on cutters and other varitations which are suited on slow, low wickets, he was smacked around for 40 runs on a green top :facepalm: The fizz can be a good limited overs bowler, but he will never, ever reach starc's level. This is not a prediction, this is a spoiler.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Both bowlers have yet to prove themselves..

Amir hasnt done well outside england and mustafiz hasnt played outside bangladesh. Still mustafiz is ahead on performance so far but the aample size is so small. In a couple of years time we will be able to make a better judgement. The best test is the test of time.
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Yes.

Both need 2 years of good test cricket to be really rated. Amir was on track, and we are yet to see him bowl in a test match in UAE, Pakistan. A lot of bowlers have found the switch difficult. Havign said its the same as saying Kohli hasn't proved himself in England. Just a matter of time. Both athletic guys with a lot of hunger, enough to over come the challenges.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Yes.

Both need 2 years of good test cricket to be really rated. Amir was on track, and we are yet to see him bowl in a test match in UAE, Pakistan. A lot of bowlers have found the switch difficult. Havign said its the same as saying Kohli hasn't proved himself in England. Just a matter of time. Both athletic guys with a lot of hunger, enough to over come the challenges.
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Amir was terrible in every other places aside England. He took the full advantage of those damp cloudy conditions of England which made him look unplayable.

But the truth is he got smacked in every other places he played for his country. He got the phainta of his life in places like sl, Aus and NZ and his above 40 average with even higher strike rate will speak for his mediocre performance.

I m not saying he won't do well in the future. But he'll have to renovate himself especially in Odis if he wants to remain in the race of becoming a great fast bowler. :yk
 
Anik Sharma said:
Mustwfiz already played two tests and was better than Amir.
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Man the kind of filth I have had to read in this thread. Amir has bowled match-winning spells in test cricket for Pakistan. He has won Pakistan matches against Australia and England, two of the top test teams in world cricket in foreign conditions. Don't give two hoots about Mustafizur or Starc, but people putting down a brilliant talent like Amir just to prove a non-existent point need to give it a rest.

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Prince_ said:
Amir was terrible in every other places aside England. He took the full advantage of those damp cloudy conditions of England which made him look unplayable.

But the truth is he got smacked in every other places he played for his country. He got the phainta of his life in places like sl, Aus and NZ and his above 40 average with even higher strike rate will speak for his mediocre performance.

I m not saying he won't do well in the future. But he'll have to renovate himself especially in Odis if he wants to remain in the race of becoming a great fast bowler. :yk
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How old was he?

He had the talent to take over the world, just robbed himself of all the glory that awaited him.
 
Shaan said:
so, now you are going gagaga, buddy I have watched enough cricket since 80's my fav bowlers are like Akram, hadlee, Ambrose. Those are the guys I always admire, to me there will be no Akram. The point we are talking about who is performing, most matter how does one performs and outshine with his smartness, intelligent bowling. Certainly tendulkar is not a good looking not a manly looking guy so base on your point should i say Tendulkar is not great batsman compare to Kevin peterson, compare to Gyle, compare to Gichrist cause they had the agressive attitude in their bating ! When great players like warner, Steyn, Laxman are praising him, in fact these people are the ones playing and played at this level then who you and me are the armchair computer experts to say just whatever come to mind.
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Warner is his captain. Laxman is his mentor. Steyn used to play for Deccan and was trying to say something nice about Deccan. He also has a history of trolling for fun so this might be that.

Starc has been injured for many months now and I'll try to refresh your memory. Its that Australian guy that's tall and lanky that can bowl 150+ consistently. He can swing the ball both ways, bowls Yorkers for fun. Very handy batsman, terrific fielder. There you go.
 
All of a sudden all the Bangla boys are a fan of Steyn because he bigged up Mustafizur.

Conveniently forgetting how they were all up in arms when Steyn said something like I do not want to waste whats left of my career by visiting Bangladesh. :yk

How times change :srt
 
Syed1 said:
All of a sudden all the Bangla boys are a fan of Steyn because he bigged up Mustafizur.

Conveniently forgetting how they were all up in arms when Steyn said something like I do not want to waste whats left of my career by visiting Bangladesh. :yk

How times change :srt
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Steyn was ribbing Starc and Bangla fans are the victims here. Have some sympathy you truth speaker!!!
 
Shaan said:
mr. predictable leave your those craps talk, tell me who is having upperhand by now at their respective career? yes I'll prefer Lara over tendu, yes I'll prefer md.yousuf over tendu, yes I prefer Gyle over tendu as you prefer Starc over Fiizz.
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Now u just sound like typical delusional bangla fan. Starc has already proven himself. And his trademark swing, pace and yorker bowling has brought fast bowlers success if we observe the past. Rehman just started his career. Right now, he is way behind starc. Plus he has neither pace or swing. So any rational fans wouldn't put starc and Rehman on equal grounds. Rehman had a good start, but a few matches on home ground is not enough sample size to put him up there with the best
 
Executioner said:
Australian pitches still had plenty for Starc to work with, especially the carry. Indian pace attack, heck even BD pace attack looked sharp in the world cup.

Still, starc leads the pack and hence was successful.



He gave away 40 runs in 4 overs in one game where he was coming back from an injury without any practice. As for the 2nd match, i think he did quite well considering the size of the boundaries. He gave away 32 odd runs in 4 overs and took two wickets. Now all that bowling in the death and powerplay.

You don't have to keep mentioning the same performance over and over again. This is similar to some people bringing up Wahab's spell in the world cup.
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Well it seems your knowledge of faSt bowling is very limited and understandable since bangla never had a good fast bowler. I will just say this. Let mustafizur play 50 matches, play all over the world. If he can keep similar numbers to starc, then most people will agree Rehman is up there.
 
Messiah said:
Now u just sound like typical delusional bangla fan. Starc has already proven himself. And his trademark swing, pace and yorker bowling has brought fast bowlers success if we observe the past. Rehman just started his career. Right now, he is way behind starc. Plus he has neither pace or swing. So any rational fans wouldn't put starc and Rehman on equal grounds. Rehman had a good start, but a few matches on home ground is not enough sample size to put him up there with the best
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what is delusional here? delusion is something you imagine, made up but never happens in reality. If i sound delusional then you sound super illusional and delusional just to have your own satisfacion to not accept the the fact talking fact. i am talking about the fact, so far their respective career Fizz outshined strac the short span of his career so far he has. Now swing or no swing yorker or no yorker, cutter or no cutter, late swing or not, googly or not, deviation or not, fraction swing or not Mustafizur got all the wicket by his own skill doesn't matter the ball swing or he got the ball talking and most important for a bowler is the wickets, he is getting those. so why should he bother for swing when he is getting more wickets with his own level of skill something other don't have.
 
Bangladeshi brothers loosing it completely. I guess this is how it feels when you find your first decent cricketer after decades of thrashing.
 
sshakir411 said:
Bangladeshi brothers loosing it completely. I guess this is how it feels when you find your first decent cricketer after decades of thrashing.
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If Bangladesh had started playing cricket when NZ/Australia started playing it or if they had the cricketing infrastructure like they have now before 90s or 80s than they would have won at least couple of world cups by now :shakib

We r talking about only one fizz here. If they had the facilities like they have now they would've produced at least half a dozen atg bowlers by now.

After Sri Lanka they r the only team who have improved vastly within a very short span of time :srini
 
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