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Mustafizur Rahman v Mohammad Amir - BPL (2016)

I am not a fan of comparing these two bowlers which is why i never posted in this thread i feel.

Both are different bowlers though. Mustafiz has tight accuracy and a brilliant cutter. Amir has pace, swing and bounce. If you compare it with spinners, Mustafiz is more like Ashwin while Amir is like Herath. That is ofcourse just a different observationg
 
Executioner said:
I am not a fan of comparing these two bowlers which is why i never posted in this thread i feel.

Both are different bowlers though. Mustafiz has tight accuracy and a brilliant cutter. Amir has pace, swing and bounce. If you compare it with spinners, Mustafiz is more like Ashwin while Amir is like Herath. That is ofcourse just a different observationg
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Good analogy... However, I do think both these guys have a long way to go. Too much hype!
 
Both are messiahs for fast bowling and cricket in general in their respective countries . True cricket fans such as myself long for the day when BD tours the UAE . Gonna be better than Ali-Foreman inshallah .
 
:))) Mustafizur being put in place by a reverse sweeping hack like Maxwell lmao. Getting the Bilawal Bhatti treatment and people have the nerve to compare him with Amir. Action needs to be taken here.
 
On a flat track with short boundaries, coming back from injury, 4-0-30-2 is a good performance. Some of his deliveries were just unplayable

PS. BPL is over
 
He wasn't fully focused today because of an injury break which he isn't used too.

He needed to bowl slower cutters more but he did not.

Whenever he did not batsman could pick it and all batsman struggled.

That's what Shakib also signalled that why aren't you bowling it repeatedly ?

His cutters are of two three speeds, same action. Very very hard to pick.

If he can make his bowling stance upright than he will become pacier and will be more difficult to play.

Also this action where he isn't upright also is the reason of side strain especially as he rolls his fingers on the ball so takes more toll.

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I think he bowled well, wasn't helped by poor fielding and his teammates ability to put any sort of pressure on Australia. He is a great talent, some of his bowls were excellent.

Amir is, though, clearly better.
 
Amir should only be compared with bowlers in the same class as him like Anderson, Steyn, Starc and Wahab.

Not any random aira ghaira. Thanks.

If we saw Amir v Mustafizur in the t20 game few days ago this weird comparison would've been settled.
 
First time seen him bowl and was impressed however not sure how effective his cutters will be on pitches that skid through.
 
Suleiman said:
Amir should only be compared with bowlers in the same class as him like Anderson, Steyn, Starc and Wahab.

Not any random aira ghaira. Thanks.

If we saw Amir v Mustafizur in the t20 game few days ago this weird comparison would've been settled.
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Wahab? .. I'd say include Shammi please.. please?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I rate amir higher but that doesn't mean mustafizur is not a good bowler.
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It's unfair on Mustafiz to compare him with our generation's potential ATG Amir.

He's a decent bowler nonetheless, and isn't bad like you said.
 
Mustafiz felt pain in his second over and continued bowling. That is enough for me. I will not be surprised if his name goes missing against India. Apart from two shots by maxwell he bowled quite good..
 
Maxwell hit him for two sixes, Maxwell can never hit sixes against Amir so Amir wins hands down.
 
Mustafizur has a clean action.

Even the cutters.

They showed the close ups today.

Its ALL wrist movement. The arm does not bend.

Clean bowler.
 
Mustafizur is a special talent
But amir is once in a generation talent

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why someone has to be no. 1? There can be someone else in the current cricket who will be even better than Amir or Mustafizur. Both are good bowler. Mustafizur treats Amir as his Idol and chance are he may surpass his idol just like Kohli and Tendulkar.

Best point is - India in its entire history could not produce one Amir or one Mustafizur. lets take some pride from this fact.
 
kiriket said:
why someone has to be no. 1? There can be someone else in the current cricket who will be even better than Amir or Mustafizur. Both are good bowler. Mustafizur treats Amir as his Idol and chance are he may surpass his idol just like Kohli and Tendulkar.

Best point is - India in its entire history could not produce one Amir or one Mustafizur. lets take some pride from this fact.
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why drag Amir in between,speak for yourself

Mustafizur has 46 wickets in his entire International career and you compare him with Kapil and Zaheer :facepalm: typical Deshi Fan
 
Amir is not a great T20 bowler, he doesn't pick enough wickets unless the conditions are ideal for him, and can get hammered every now and then.

Forget the hyperboles for a moment because:

1. He is potentially a great Test bowler

2. He is potentially a very good ODI bowler

3. He is potentially a decent T20 bowler

Apply context to your expectations over Amir and you will not be disappointed.

Fan boys will be fan boys - you cannot cure this disease, and people will overrated and underrate him to great measure but it helps if you don't lose perception.
 
Mamoon said:
Amir is not a great T20 bowler, he doesn't pick enough wickets unless the conditions are ideal for him, and can get hammered every now and then.

Forget the hyperboles for a moment because:

1. He is potentially a great Test bowler

2. He is potentially a very good ODI bowler

3. He is potentially a decent T20 bowler

Apply context to your expectations over Amir and you will not be disappointed.

Fan boys will be fan boys - you cannot cure this disease, and people will overrated and underrate him to great measure but it helps if you don't lose perception.
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Any bowler can get tonkd in t20s like Amir got today. Thats the format. Problem is those posters who crap on Mustafiz when he went 0-40 and the ones who will stay silent when Amir goes 0-41.
 
imteaz said:
Hahaha Amir will bowl on same pitch and figure would be 4-1-21-4
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Amir day: 4-0-41-0 (on a seaming wicket early on) :steyn:steyn


Mustafizur is better, much harder to get under especially with his cutters in action, he can easily up the RRR, very hard to score off. Amir will be better one seaming wicket, as Mustafz cutters won't be much good use. He proved, in one of the flattest wicket in the world in Bangalore, after coming back from a side strain (still not properly fit) his spell was 4-0-30-2 against a powerful Australian batting line up - Fantastic return.
(especially) On any wickets that helps with a little grip, spin, Mustafizur will own Amir anywhere in the world. On seaming wicket, most times Amir will own Mustafizur, going forward.

Mustaf has taken 5fer on his ODI debut and 6fer 2nd odi against the mighty Indian batting line up, on flat wickets (with a world record 11 wickets in his first 2 ODI games). Let Amir play for another 8 months at least, take a few 5fers on flat ODI wickets, then talk. Easy with the hype. No doubt the boy is highly talented. But, as Sharma said it ''lets not go all gaga over Amir'' and over his spell against India in Asia cup on a seaming wicket (India still won it convincingly, in the end), still early days for him, returning back from then ban.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
Any bowler can get tonkd in t20s like Amir got today. Thats the format. Problem is those posters who crap on Mustafiz when he went 0-40 and the ones who will stay silent when Amir goes 0-41.
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It is not about Mustafiz vs Amir. Mustafiz getting hammered doesn't make Amir look better and Amir getting hammered doesn't make Mustafiz look better.

If Amir fan boys seek solace in Mustafiz getting hammered and vice versa, then good luck to them.

However, you have to look at the skill-set:

Amir is a conventional fast bowler. He relies on pace and late swing, which is wonderful, but in T20s, you do not have enough time to work over a batsman and keep him on strike.

In this format, you need more varoations and Amir is not a bowler with too many tricks up his sleeve.

Taking wickets is a problem for him in T20s. We saw it in the PSL as well.

However, it is not something to be ashamed of; Steyn, one of the best ever in Tests, is not a great T20 bowler.

Rabada, another great talent, is also getting hammered here.
 
This format is punishing to the bowlers. Even with their skills they will get tonked because of a few bad overs
 
Amir just had a bad game. When he doesn't pick wickets, he usually is very economical. He normally bowls back of the length but the green pitch played a trick on his mind. He bowled full looking for swing and was duly hit through the line. He's alright.
 
I though Mustafizur bowled very well yesterday. He had Khawaja all at sea, Watson was dropped off his bowling and Smith and Marsh were beautifully outfoxed. The two sixes from Maxwell ruined his figures somewhat. But really when the batsman is looking to attack him he should only be bowling his cutters that leave the right hander and the fast yorker as a surprise delivery but instead he was experimenting with his length too much against Maxwell.

As I said Mustafizur is better than Amir when the pitch is flat and slow and when bowling with the old ball. And Amir is better when conditions are helpful and when bowling with the new ball. Overall Amir is just a bit better right now. Mustafizur is three years younger and has plenty of time to catch up.
 
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One match, doesn't make Amir bad bowler. He is best fast bowler in the world.

He will come back next match taking 3 wickets. On the other hand Mustafiz trulender will keep leaking runs at 10.00 per over. caz he only good at Mirpur, outside home he is a sissy bowler.
 
Dhoni couldn't hit sixes or fours last 3 overs, it tells mustafiz chucks. or else Dhoni would make 40 last 3 overs.
 
in T20s Mustafiz is better. in ODIS and Test I'd back Amir to do better.

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Mustafiz won't do anything in Test Cricket when batsman have no pressure to score against him. in LOIS he will be a very good bowler though.

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Adil_94 said:
Mustafiz won't do anything in Test Cricket when batsman have no pressure to score against him. in LOIS he will be a very good bowler though.

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I am not into the discussion who is better between them but for your information you could look Mustafizur's performance in Test matches he played against South Africa.
 
Imran Hasan said:
I am not into the discussion who is better between them but for your information you could look Mustafizur's performance in Test matches he played against South Africa.
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it's a small sample so far but from what I've seen Mustafiz is a potentially world class LOI bowler. But in tests all over the world I don't see him doing as well. But it will be interesting to see how both go.

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Amir had 0/80 in 8 overs in the last two matches v NZ and Australia, and picked up 1/13 against India.

Mustafizur so far at the T20 has achieved 2/30 v Australia, and similar figures against India as well, picking up two wickets. Yet to see how he does against NZL today.

Don't get me wrong, I believe the Amir of 18 bowling against England in that test was the most naturally gifted bowler at his age I have ever seen. But he seems to have regressed since then. Mustafiz is not as talented as the Amir of 18 in my eyes. However, you cannot deny that this guy is a special talent. He picked up a 4-fer on his test debut against South Africa, two 5-fers against India in two consecutive ODIs, the first of which was his ODI debut. I remember him picking up two or three wickets in the only T20I Bangladesh played v Pakistan in last year's series and so on. He is a brilliant bowler to watch and seems like a genuinely likeable guy.
 
Not undervaluing Amir. But Mustafiz has been a class apart. So far in the tournament Mustafiz has taken more wickets than Amir bowling fewer overs.
 
I don't think you are. Amir is more 'spectacular' and 'animated', older and more experienced than Mustafiz. Mustafiz is fragile and just got back from an injury. I think that makes his wickets more remarkable.
 
I hope Taskin comes back and both plays for us in tests, we can finally start winning tests. Then again with SL and WI hitting a slump I'm not sure it's going need too much. But to beat better sides we need a strong pace attack unless we dish out turners like India but for some reason we don't.
 
imteaz said:
One match, doesn't make Amir bad bowler. He is best fast bowler in the world.

He will come back next match taking 3 wickets. On the other hand Mustafiz trulender will keep leaking runs at 10.00 per over. caz he only good at Mirpur, outside home he is a sissy bowler.
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did he come back yet?
 
Executioner said:
I hope Taskin comes back and both plays for us in tests, we can finally start winning tests. Then again with SL and WI hitting a slump I'm not sure it's going need too much. But to beat better sides we need a strong pace attack unless we dish out turners like India but for some reason we don't.
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taskin and mustafiz are the genuine world class prospects bangladesh have produced!
mustafiz is uniquely special tho!
he has atg talent so far in my eyes
 
in T20s Mustafiz does look a level above Amir. But so do Faulkner and Dwayne Bravo it will be good to see how both go in Tests. It's unfair Mustafiz won't get many tests outside the SC.

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Amir needs to learn from Mustafiz to get that vicious slower ball. It's so hard to pick it the best bowlers in this tournie have been those with a good slower ball or a killer yorker. Amir yorkers aren't bad but for some reason he's been bowling length at the death the last couple of games.

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mustafizur just destroyed kane williamson, bowled him after toying with him the whole over.
he's got a whole level of iq above amir in terms of cricket. all fans will agree on this one.
he toys with the batsman, and then bowls him
 
Pity that Bangladesh don't play more tests, would love to see how he'd do in England or South Africa. He really is a genius with these slower balls, beautifully set up Williamson for this dismissal. Simply lovely to watch.
 
Both maybe left arm, yet both are different types of bowlers – skill-wise.

Mustafizur has easily done two of the best three batsman in the world – Smith and Williamson.
 
Better than Amir in Limited Overs at the moment, would have outperformed him in the PSL as well had he played.
 
imteaz said:
One match, doesn't make Amir bad bowler. He is best fast bowler in the world.

He will come back next match taking 3 wickets. On the other hand Mustafiz trulender will keep leaking runs at 10.00 per over. caz he only good at Mirpur, outside home he is a sissy bowler.
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Amir 80 run in 8 over. You cursed amir it seems.
 
Gem of a bowler that I really like to see do well. But people are getting carried away a bit. The pitches in the tournament for the most part have been tailor made for his style of bowling. Bravo whose bowling style similarly revolves around slower cutters has been unplayable on these decks even if he's a class or two inferior to the top notch bowlers. The ball has gripped and fizzed big time on the surfaces, particularly today, it's as ideal and supportive a pitch it can be for Mustafiz. Let's not forget this.
 
Yeah Mustafizur is already better than Amir in LOIs. Amir might be fast and might look great but can't pick up wickets at the moment especially on flat wickets.
 
I'd like to see how mustafizur bowls in mohali. Atm he's better on turning surfaces but then so are Faulkner and bowlers like him, and we know that they're not really comparable overall.

Still I agree with the earlier posts that amir will struggle in T20s as he lacks variety or perhaps doesn't exercise his slow fuller balls as much.
 
One is full of promises for the future (and may be he will prove himself too) and other one is showing his promise right now.
One bird in Hand vs Two in bushes.

As of now Musta looks better but i am sure Amir will turn the heat up soon.
 
They're both a different kind of bowler imo. From what little I've seen Musta depends on his cutters and slower ones and can't really crank up the pace. His performance has been much better than Amir in the world cup but then again even Bravo has been better. Wish everyone would put this who's better than who thing to rest. They're both brilliant young bowlers who hopefully have a bunch of great performances in the future. I wanna see a Subcontinent XI with both opening the bowling.
 
desi_launda said:
Mustafizur is a better bowler on flat pitches

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Dude, NZ didn't care if they get out, this match is useless. Thatswhy Nz batsman gave away their wickets.

If it was important match Mustafiz won't even get 1 wicket.
 
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