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It flatters Muralitharan to even be compared to Warne.
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Muttiah Muralitharan vs Shane Warne, who was the better bowler?
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How about giving same percentage of matches to both players? Warne's numbers are inflated by playing against Eng, SAF and NZ. Murali has better away averages than Warne against them. If he played them as regularrly as Warne, his away stats would have been even better.
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Murali was far better against the odds, he played the better players of spin more often.
Warne played England and possibly New Zealand too often (not great players of spin).
Murali better, stats don't lie. but both enjoyable to watch unlike the mostly mundane players now....
Warne played England and possibly New Zealand too often (not great players of spin).
Murali better, stats don't lie. but both enjoyable to watch unlike the mostly mundane players now....
Just to add.. One of the fine examples I probably wouldn't forget ever was his bowling in 1999 ODI WC semi-final and final...
To put a end to the statistical debate, we have to look at how each bowler would do against same batsmen under same conditions. Obviously this is not the case as each batsman and location would have been slightly different from each occasion. But over a very long career these things iron out.
So we look at bowlers performances in same era, same opposition and same conditions. this will effectively rule out home and neutral tests from analysis. It will rule out bilateral series as well, because batsmen are different. Any country that only one bowler has played will be ruled out as well. Fortunately for Warne and Murali latter is not the case.
Now we consider what will happen if each bowler given similar number of balls (say 6000) against all common oppositions. Fortunately this is not rocket science as it will be average of bowling average / SR and ER.
The common opposition consists of BAN, IND, ENG, PAK, SAF, NZ, WI and ZIM. We just average the bowling average / SR / ER to have adjusted stats.
Warne: A - 28.6, ER - 2.8, SR - 60.6
Murali: A - 25.7, ER - 2.6, SR - 59.2
So in conclusion, all drivel stating;
1. Murali benefited from playing more against minnows
2. Murali had spin friendly conditions to ball
3. Murali's away performances are inferior to Warne
yadda, yadda, falls flat on the face.
Sources:
1. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/8166.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling
2. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49636.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling
So we look at bowlers performances in same era, same opposition and same conditions. this will effectively rule out home and neutral tests from analysis. It will rule out bilateral series as well, because batsmen are different. Any country that only one bowler has played will be ruled out as well. Fortunately for Warne and Murali latter is not the case.
Now we consider what will happen if each bowler given similar number of balls (say 6000) against all common oppositions. Fortunately this is not rocket science as it will be average of bowling average / SR and ER.
The common opposition consists of BAN, IND, ENG, PAK, SAF, NZ, WI and ZIM. We just average the bowling average / SR / ER to have adjusted stats.
Warne: A - 28.6, ER - 2.8, SR - 60.6
Murali: A - 25.7, ER - 2.6, SR - 59.2
So in conclusion, all drivel stating;
1. Murali benefited from playing more against minnows
2. Murali had spin friendly conditions to ball
3. Murali's away performances are inferior to Warne
yadda, yadda, falls flat on the face.
Sources:
1. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/8166.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling
2. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49636.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling
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Murali is better, but Warne is my inspiration.
And I present you with the ICC ratings comparison.
It's even visible from naked eye that Murali had a higher percentage of time over 750 points.
Warne was > 750 from 30/11/1993 to 29/03/1998 and then from 07/10/2002 to 01/06/2007. That gives a grand total of 3278 days. Warne's career spanned 5429 days from 02/01/1992 to 02/01/2007. Warne has 59.8% time over 750 points.
Murali had points of >750 from 31/05/1998 to 22/07/2010, 4435 days. Murali's career spanned from 28/08/1992 to 18/07/2010, 6533 days. Murali had 67.9% of time >750 points.
Don't think there is even a comparison.
It's even visible from naked eye that Murali had a higher percentage of time over 750 points.
Warne was > 750 from 30/11/1993 to 29/03/1998 and then from 07/10/2002 to 01/06/2007. That gives a grand total of 3278 days. Warne's career spanned 5429 days from 02/01/1992 to 02/01/2007. Warne has 59.8% time over 750 points.
Murali had points of >750 from 31/05/1998 to 22/07/2010, 4435 days. Murali's career spanned from 28/08/1992 to 18/07/2010, 6533 days. Murali had 67.9% of time >750 points.
Don't think there is even a comparison.
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This thread can only be settled this way:
make a list of the thirty five best batsmen who played during both bowler's era, and then see who got the most of these wickets.
make a list of the thirty five best batsmen who played during both bowler's era, and then see who got the most of these wickets.
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Only one of them is a bowler. So no comparison really.
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Putting lehality illegality issue aside.. Murli was superior.
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Murali could have even better record if he got oppurtunity to bowl English batsmen as often as Warne.
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Yeah Warne was a drug addict and failed doping once :moen
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It's not like Warne had a clean slate. He was caught violating the doping rules when he gave a "I ate my mom's pills" excuse.
It's a bit unfair to ignore an entire career due to chucking allegations.
It's a bit unfair to ignore an entire career due to chucking allegations.
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