My 50 best cricketers of the last 40 years

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This is my evaluation of the 50 greatest cricketers of the last 40 years in my tentative order of merit.

I have given consideration to ODI's also but greater emphasis comparatively to performances in test cricket.Ability to in and turn matches given due consideration as well as strength of team played for and opposition.This prompted me to place Brian Lara ahead of greats like Kallis,Botham and Wasim.Another very important criteria was influence and impact on the era where Lillee scored over Mcgrath with his greater ferocity and agression.


Rated Wasim above Mcgrath as he was a considerably better batsmen ,possesed more skill overall as a paceman and was also a successful skipper.For sheer artistry and skill I think Wasim would be my choice in an all-time world xi instead of Mcgrath.

No batsmen scored more mammoth totals like Lara or had as high an average percentage score out of the team's total.Viv Richards never had to carry the brunt of such weak side's batting as Brian and in contrast played for a team of world -beaters.Just look at Lara's 5 best innings in test cricket which throws light on his greatness.

Statistically Kallis was the king as an all-rounder but lacked the x factor and did not turn the complexion or shape games like Imran, Viv, Warne and Sachin.On pure stats he could well have been at no 1.At his best Botham was close to the greatest ever and could turn game more than any cricketer.Sadly his form declined after 1982 .In the 1980 Jubliee tset and 1981 Ashse Botham even overshadowed Gary Sobers and from 1977 was on par with Viv Richards and Dennis Lillee as a cricketer.

In terms of pure bowling artistry or creative genius no paceman was ever the equal of Wasim Akram who was the equivalent of a magician. Wasim was the ultimate champion amongst O.D.I. bowlers.In his peak Wasim could overpower every great bowler even in test cricket.The greatest batsmen like Lara found him the hardest to face.

Adam Gilchrist in his era was like the Viv Richards of his time making the impact of a bulldozer.Adam Gilchrist got ranking as he was the best match-winner of his time who simply pulverized the opposition holding the bat like a machine gun.Sehwag could bat like guns blazing and no opening batsmen wa s ever more destructive at his best or had such a penchant for making mammoth scores.Barry Richards did not play official test cricket but of what we saw of him in Packer cricket and first class cricket was more complete than any batsmen.In WSC supertests he even overshadowed Viv Richards in his best 2 innings,topping the averages overall.Kapil Dev deserves his due considering he bolwed on flat pancakes.On his day he could make as exposive an impact on the course of a game like even Sobers or Botham resembling a hurricane.He wa sthe best ODI all-rounder of them all.Rahul Dravid was grit and determination personified and like Steve Waugh the ultimate man for a crisis.One of the best one down batsmen of al time.Border and Steve Waugh had a great influence on the game as leaders and in their era were the ultimate batsmen to bat for your life.Rated Border higher because of the calibre of opposition he faced and his role in sowing the seeds for the renaissance in Australian cricket.Ranked Greg Chappell ahead of Ricky Ponting because he overall had marginally more class and faced stronger opponents.I ahve taken Greg's remarkable aggregate of 1416 runs at 56.14 in Kerry Packer WSC cricket.Neverthless statistically in his peak period Ponting was the best batsmen of the last 4 decades and master against pace.Inzmamam was the best batsmen as a pure match-winner who could be flamboyant even in a crisis and go on to turn and win games.Zaheer Abbas was the ultimate stylsit and the best attacking batsmen aginst spin and medium pace of his generation.Very close to being the best O.D.I.Batsmen of his era averaging over 47.Curtly Ambrose was close to the best ever match-winner in a 4th innings and the most accurate of al the genuine quickies .Hadlee and Mcgrath were fast-medim but posessed more control than any paceman ever.Mcgrath could have been the most intelligent bowler ever who could be as daunting to face in times as even Lillee or Marshall.Abdul Qadir on his day was as lethal as Warne and bowled the googly better than anyone.Andy Roberts was very similar to Dennis Lille with his great versatility while no paceman posessed more average speed through the air as Michael Holding.Dale Steyn is statistically around the greatest paceman but did not face calibre of opposition as earlier greats did.Garner wa sthe most accurate paceman of all with Ambrose who could bowl as fast as anyone on his day.Courtney Walsh was simpla a bowling metronome,the ultimate workhorse amongst pacemna.He could even be harder to face than Ambrose with his guile.Aravinda De'Silva was like a technician and artist rolled into one.Sangakaara was the ultimate run making machine of the last decade superbly blending technique with artistry.Cllive Lloyd gave West Indian cricket a new dimension knitting a bunch of talented individual sinto an invincible unit .He defined West Indian cricket to the degree Worrel,Sobesr and Richards did being ever-consistent as a batsmen.David Gower was the most elegant batsmen of them all.Graham Gooch was the ultimate master against great pace.Gordon Grenidge for a whil in the 1980's was the best batsmen in the world,overshadowing even Viv Richards wit his 2 double centuries in England in 1984.Lastly I put Asif Iqbal as he had a tremendous influence on the game ,becoming a great batsmen in the later 1970's.


No cricketer could at his best turn a game or intimidate opposition like Viv Richards who revealed the aura of a great emperor.Viv was the king amongst batsmen in O.D.I.cricket turning games more than Tendulkar or Lara.In peak era even in only test cricket Viv was the best of the last 50 years.He fell out only on consistency.Shane Warne did more to shape arguably the best team ever than any cricketer and won more matches than Imran or Viv.Above all he redefined the role of the leg-spinner in the game.Imran was the greatest leader of them all who defined nation's cricket or shaped it's fortunes both as a skipper and cricketer to reach the top of the pedestal more than anyone.Tendulkar defined his age more than any cricketer with longevity at the top more than any sportsman let alone cricketer.His phenomenal comeback after tennis elbow was taken into account.



Top 50 cricketers of last 40 years ranked in tentative order of merit.

1.Shane Warne
2.Sachin Tendulkar
3.Viv Richards
4.Imran Khan
5.Malcolm Marshall
6.Dennis Lillee
7.Muthiah Murlitharan
8.Brian Lara
9.Ian Botham
10.Jacques Kallis
11.Richard Hadlee
12.Wasim Akram
13.Glen Mcgrath
14.Adam Gilchrist
15.Sunil Gavaskar
16.Barry Richards
17.Greg Chappell
18.Ricky Ponting
19.Curtly Ambrose
20.Alan Border
21.Waqar Younus
22.Javed Miandad
23.Kumar Sangakaara
24.Kapil Dev
25.Steve Waugh
26.Rahul Dravid
27.Virendra Sehwag
28.Clive Lloyd
29.Dale Steyn.
30.Abdul Qadir
31.Andy Roberts
32.Joel Garner
33.Graham Gooch
34.Michael Holding
35.Gordon Greenidge.
36.David Gower
37.Martin Crowe
38.Inzamam Ul Haq.
39.Alan Donald
40.Aravinda De'Silva
41.Zaheer Abbas
42.Younus Khan
43.Andrew Flintoff
44.Shaun Pollock
45.Kevin Pieterson
46.Courtney Walsh
47.David Boon
48.Gundapa Vishwanath
49.Mark Waugh
50.Asif Iqbal




Ultimately gave the top positions to Warne,Tendulkar,Richards and Imran because they influenced the course of the game more than anyone.I would apologize if there is element of bias in terms of separating Tendulkar,Imran ,Warne and Viv .

Gave consideration to Warne's role in Australia becoming a superpower i world cricket and bringing back the role of the leg-spinner.Tendulkar's phenomenal longevity at the top was more than that of Viv and Imran who were ahead as pure match-winners.Viv intimdated oposition more than any cricketer,let alone batsmen .Imran shaped the destinny of his nation as a leader and cricketer more than anyone.Had Imran performed at his best with both bat and ball and had Pakistan been more dominant at the top of the pedestal he may well have been at no 1.



Very unfortunate to omit such names as Des Haynes,Alvin Kalicharan,Dilip Vengsarkar,Richie Richardson,Saed Anwar,Chris Cairns ,Anil Kumble,Mark Taylor,Geoff Boycott,Majid Khan etc.All could so easily have made it.Excluded Ian Chappell and Geoff Boycott as they made their major contribution before 1977.
 
How on earth is Malcolm Marshall not Number 1?

The thing about someone like Tendulkar is that he never established himself as better than Lara, and you can easily argue that he wasn't significantly better than Kallis or Ponting either.

But everybody without exception recognises that Marshall was the best fast bowler in a supremely strong generation, ahead of Garner, Ambrose, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram or Richard Hadlee.

And if you're not sure, look up the 1987 MCC v Rest of the World Test match at Lords: Marshall was miles better than anybody else.
 
1. How can you leave out one of the great pioneers of cricket - Saqlain?? Inventor of the doosra ??

2. Viswanath ahead of the names you have suggested such Haynes, Saeed Anwar, Boycott ??

3. Mark Waugh is also behind these names.

However, it is a top list other then that. I guess it is a personal choice.
 
Top 15 players are all legends. Any of them can be at top spot and justify their rating. Glad to see Lillee up there, I believe he is underrated at PP.

1.Shane Warne
2.Sachin Tendulkar
3.Viv Richards

4.Imran Khan
5.Malcolm Marshall
6.Dennis Lillee

7.Muthiah Murlitharan
8.Brian Lara
9.Ian Botham

10.Jacques Kallis
11.Richard Hadlee
12.Wasim Akram

13.Glen Mcgrath
14.Adam Gilchrist
15.Sunil Gavaskar
 
How on earth is Malcolm Marshall not Number 1?

The thing about someone like Tendulkar is that he never established himself as better than Lara, and you can easily argue that he wasn't significantly better than Kallis or Ponting either.

But everybody without exception recognises that Marshall was the best fast bowler in a supremely strong generation, ahead of Garner, Ambrose, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram or Richard Hadlee.

And if you're not sure, look up the 1987 MCC v Rest of the World Test match at Lords: Marshall was miles better than anybody else.

Sorry Junaid never at 1.Most innovative or arguably lethal right arm fast bowler ever even if not as classically complete as Lindwall or Lillee.Morally weighing all factors he was arguably the best of all paceman but did not make an impact on world cricket as the likes of Tendulkar,Warne,Viv or Tendulkar.They defined their age more than anyone.Anyway intersting opinion nad would like more evidence to support claim You seem to endorse view of Geoofff Armstrong who placed Marshal above Sachin and Viv.Marshall was not as intimidating or could turn complexion of games like Viv,equal Tendulkar's longevity at the top and impact or shaped a nation's destiny as Imran ,or contributed so much to a world champion team like Warne.

Howe would you compare Kallis and Ponting with the very top?Or Botham and Gilchrist?Was i fair to Wasim.Mcgrath and Barry Richards?
 
How on earth is Malcolm Marshall not Number 1?

The thing about someone like Tendulkar is that he never established himself as better than Lara, and you can easily argue that he wasn't significantly better than Kallis or Ponting either.

But everybody without exception recognises that Marshall was the best fast bowler in a supremely strong generation, ahead of Garner, Ambrose, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram or Richard Hadlee.

And if you're not sure, look up the 1987 MCC v Rest of the World Test match at Lords: Marshall was miles better than anybody else.

Ah ha, the ultimate authority on cricket is here doing what he does best. The one who speaks the gospel truth on cricket.
 
1. How can you leave out one of the great pioneers of cricket - Saqlain?? Inventor of the doosra ??

2. Viswanath ahead of the names you have suggested such Haynes, Saeed Anwar, Boycott ??

3. Mark Waugh is also behind these names.

However, it is a top list other then that. I guess it is a personal choice.

Very good point.Vishy played some of his best cricket or his best before 1977 like against West indies at home and away.Boycott was great no doubt and technically right there with the very best.However he could be selfish at times and also played much of his best cricket before 1977.Neverthless he came within a whisker and could well have made the list.Haynes and Anwar were geniuses on their day but just missed out .They could also well have made it.On his day Anwar could match Lara or Sachin .Haynes missed out playing for such a strong team and being overshadowed by partner Greenidge.Neverthless he was a great player.Saqlain too was a great.

Maybe instead of Vishy who I personally adore as he was a magician I could pick Saqlain or Anwar or maybe Des Haynes.Read those names omitted below my list who almost made it like Kalicharan,Vengsarkar etc.
 
Graeme Smith, Matthew Hayden - along with Sehwag, they were the best opening batsmen of the past 20 years
Andy Flower - extremely underrated player because he played for Zimbabwe
 
Graeme Smith, Matthew Hayden - along with Sehwag, they were the best opening batsmen of the past 20 years
Andy Flower - extremely underrated player because he played for Zimbabwe

great choices really Hayden and Smith particularly unfortunate to miss out
 
Very good point.Vishy played some of his best cricket or his best before 1977 like against West indies at home and away.Boycott was great no doubt and technically right there with the very best.However he could be selfish at times and also played much of his best cricket before 1977.Neverthless he came within a whisker and could well have made the list.Haynes and Anwar were geniuses on their day but just missed out .They could also well have made it.On his day Anwar could match Lara or Sachin .Haynes missed out playing for such a strong team and being overshadowed by partner Greenidge.Neverthless he was a great player.Saqlain too was a great.

Maybe instead of Vishy who I personally adore as he was a magician I could pick Saqlain or Anwar or maybe Des Haynes.Read those names omitted below my list who almost made it like Kalicharan,Vengsarkar etc.


Can't argue with anyone on your original list. On 3 names, it is purely personal and subjective. Vishwanath, Aravinda and Mark Waugh are the 3 for whom personally, I would select Saqlain, Haynes and Boycott.
 
Can't argue with anyone on your original list. On 3 names, it is purely personal and subjective. Vishwanath, Aravinda and Mark Waugh are the 3 for whom personally, I would select Saqlain, Haynes and Boycott.

Mohammad azharuudin?Close contender
 
How on earth is Malcolm Marshall not Number 1?

The thing about someone like Tendulkar is that he never established himself as better than Lara, and you can easily argue that he wasn't significantly better than Kallis or Ponting either.

But everybody without exception recognises that Marshall was the best fast bowler in a supremely strong generation, ahead of Garner, Ambrose, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram or Richard Hadlee.

And if you're not sure, look up the 1987 MCC v Rest of the World Test match at Lords: Marshall was miles better than anybody else.

Here we go again with the OTT hyperbole about older players .... but atleast I think you have given up on how Tendulkar was mentally not all that bright and how he supposedly did not do well in the 4th inngs.
 
The thing about someone like Tendulkar is that he never established himself as better than Lara,


Away average of 50s for SRT vs 40s for Lara in the test format . SRT being the better batsman in the ODI format over their respective careers. Lara had no ton in test against genuine pace and he didn't even have to face his bowlers.

So taking their careers in both formats, why do you think that SRT didn't establish himself as better than Lara? I don't think that gap was huge here, but I don't see any argument to not put SRT higher.

SRT can be certainly be rated lower as cricketer in all time list and it will be fine.
 
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Away average of 50s for SRT vs 40s for Lara in the test format . SRT being the better batsman in the ODI format over their respective careers. Lara had no ton in test against genuine pace and he didn't even have to face his bowlers.

So taking their careers in both formats, why do you think that SRT didn't establish himself as better than Lara? I don't think that gap was huge here, but I don't see any argument to not put SRT higher.

All these points have been discussed many times with [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] plus what Tendulkar achieved overseas when he was still a Teen. It won't matter ... as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has a dislike for Tendulkar ( and anything to do wth Indian Cricket ).

SRT can be certainly be rated lower as cricketer in all time list and it will be fine.

Why is that ?
 
All these points have been discussed many times with [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] plus what Tendulkar achieved overseas when he was still a Teen. It won't matter ... as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has a dislike for Tendulkar ( and anything to do wth Indian Cricket ).



Why is that ?

As far as rating of all time goes, I won't argue with anyone because it's lot harder to compare bowlers vs batsmen and it gets harder with all generations. But it's pretty easy to see that SRT was better than Lara. Both were batsmen and played at the same time.
 
How on earth is Malcolm Marshall not Number 1?

And if you're not sure, look up the 1987 MCC v Rest of the World Test match at Lords: Marshall was miles better than anybody else.

I don't have to look it up, I watched the whole match. Marshall made Hadlee at the other end look second class.
 
Would you rank him above Tendulkar or Viv as a cricketer or even warne?

I think I would put Warne at #1. Sir Viv would be up there, and Imran, and Lara for his sheer unstoppability. I like the look of your top ten overall.

I think you underrate Kapil though, who as a bowler travelled better than Botham. I can understand why Indians rate Sir Ian so highly though - batting average 70, double century, 13 wickets in the Centenary Test and so on.
 
I think I would put Warne at #1. Sir Viv would be up there, and Imran, and Lara for his sheer unstoppability. I like the look of your top ten overall.

I think you underrate Kapil though, who as a bowler travelled better than Botham. I can understand why Indians rate Sir Ian so highly though - batting average 70, double century, 13 wickets in the Centenary Test and so on.
Where would you place Tendulkar?beliw Lara?What about Botham?Above Lillee?
 
Shane Warne gets rated way, way too highly. Yes, was the greatest leggie of all, but his glamour, showbizz and attractiveness of his play somewhat overstate his greatness as a cricketer. He was nowhere the Bradman of bowling as people make him out to be, he got pounded enough times to suggest that he had some limitations as a bowler, and McGrath was equally if not more a factor in making Australia the great team they were.

I see Warne as similar to Lillee, in that he was a great bowler but his reputation was given a boost by the nature of the circumstances when he became a cricketing force.
 
I think I would put Warne at #1. Sir Viv would be up there, and Imran, and Lara for his sheer unstoppability. I like the look of your top ten overall.

I think you underrate Kapil though, who as a bowler travelled better than Botham. I can understand why Indians rate Sir Ian so highly though - batting average 70, double century, 13 wickets in the Centenary Test and so on.

Shane Warne gets rated way, way too highly. Yes, was the greatest leggie of all, but his glamour, showbizz and attractiveness of his play somewhat overstate his greatness as a cricketer. He was nowhere the Bradman of bowling as people make him out to be, he got pounded enough times to suggest that he had some limitations as a bowler, and McGrath was equally if not more a factor in making Australia the great team they were.

I see Warne as similar to Lillee, in that he was a great bowler but his reputation was given a boost by the nature of the circumstances when he became a cricketing force.

Where do you rate Tendulkar,Lara ,Imran,Wasim,Marshall and Viv ?In any order?
 
Where do you rate Tendulkar,Lara ,Imran,Wasim,Marshall and Viv ?In any order?

Would rate Imran no.1, bias aside, he is too irresistible an all-round package. At his peak, best bowler of all-time, and then a good batsmen and all-time great captain.

Then Tendulkar, best all-round batsman after Bradman with the possible exception of Sobers.

Then Viv, slightly next after Tendulkar IMO, but pretty special.

Then Marshall, best overall pacer of all-time.

They would be my top four.

Lara and Wasim come later. Flawed genuises.
 
I think I would put Warne at #1. Sir Viv would be up there, and Imran, and Lara for his sheer unstoppability. I like the look of your top ten overall.

I think you underrate Kapil though, who as a bowler travelled better than Botham. I can understand why Indians rate Sir Ian so highly though - batting average 70, double century, 13 wickets in the Centenary Test and so on.

Would rate Imran no.1, bias aside, he is too irresistible an all-round package. At his peak, best bowler of all-time, and then a good batsmen and all-time great captain.

Then Tendulkar, best all-round batsman after Bradman with the possible exception of Sobers.

Then Viv, slightly next after Tendulkar IMO, but pretty special.

Then Marshall, best overall pacer of all-time.

They would be my top four.

Lara and Wasim come later. Flawed genuises.

Very impressive reply. analytical .What about glen McGrath? Great post again.
 
1.Shane Warne
2.Sachin Tendulkar
3.Viv Richards
4.Imran Khan
5.Malcolm Marshall
6.Dennis Lillee
7.Muthiah Murlitharan
8.Brian Lara
9.Ian Botham
10.Jacques Kallis
11.Richard Hadlee
12.Wasim Akram
13.Glen Mcgrath
14.Adam Gilchrist
15.Sunil Gavaskar
16.Barry Richards
17.Greg Chappell
18.Ricky Ponting
19.Curtly Ambrose
20.Alan Border
21.Waqar Younus
22.Javed Miandad
23.Kumar Sangakaara
24.Kapil Dev
25.Steve Waugh
26.Rahul Dravid
27.Virendra Sehwag
28.Clive Lloyd
29.Dale Steyn.
30.Abdul Qadir
31.Andy Roberts
32.Joel Garner
33.Graham Gooch
34.Michael Holding
35.Gordon Greenidge.
36.David Gower
37.Martin Crowe
38.Inzamam Ul Haq.
39.Alan Donald
40.Aravinda De'Silva
41.Zaheer Abbas
42.Younus Khan
43.Andrew Flintoff
44.Shaun Pollock
45.Kevin Pieterson
46.Courtney Walsh
47.David Boon
48.Gundapa Vishwanath
49.Mark Waugh
50.Asif Iqbal

Obviously, doing a 50 cricketer list is difficult but I can spot a few problems.

Lillee is way too high, McGrath/Hadlee are superior but it can be debated.

Akram should be below McGrath, his batting was nothing special enough and on record along, McGrath is superior.

Miandad was great, but over Steve Waugh and Sangakarra? I dont think so.

You put Abdul Qadir so high but no Anil Kumble who has a mountain of wickets? And what of the other great Indian spinners? Would think Prasanna is worth a shout.

Shaun Pollock, a world class pacer with over 400 wickets and a 30 plus batting average, is in the 40s below the overrated Flintoff? I would think even Chris Cairns has a good case against Flintoff.

David Gower was not a world class batsman at this high a level. You could easily replace him with Michael Clarke, AB Devilliers, Andy Flower or a number of other world class batsmen.

Asif Iqbal cannot compare to Saeed Anwar who was excluded.

No Matthew Hayden or Graeme Smith? Both arguably better openers than Sehwag.

Waqar Younis was world class, but no way is he better than an all-time great like Steyn.

Holding might be a bit low.

No way is Younis Khan worse than Zaheer Abbas, or Inzi for that matter.
 
Very impressive reply. analytical .What about glen McGrath? Great post again.

I rate McGrath slightly behind Marshall and Hadlee as the best bowlers. I tend to favor bowlers so may likely end up in top 10-12.

To be honest outside of the top four standouts in Imran, Tendulkar, Richards and Marshall I would struggle fixing an exact order. How to value Kallis vs. Hadlee? Miandad vs. Anil Kumble? Very difficult.
 
I think I would put Warne at #1. Sir Viv would be up there, and Imran, and Lara for his sheer unstoppability. I like the look of your top ten overall.

I think you underrate Kapil though, who as a bowler travelled better than Botham. I can understand why Indians rate Sir Ian so highly though - batting average 70, double century, 13 wickets in the Centenary Test and so on.

Would rate Imran no.1, bias aside, he is too irresistible an all-round package. At his peak, best bowler of all-time, and then a good batsmen and all-time great captain.

Then Tendulkar, best all-round batsman after Bradman with the possible exception of Sobers.

Then Viv, slightly next after Tendulkar IMO, but pretty special.

Then Marshall, best overall pacer of all-time.

They would be my top four.

Lara and Wasim come later. Flawed genuises.

I rate McGrath slightly behind Marshall and Hadlee as the best bowlers. I tend to favor bowlers so may likely end up in top 10-12.

To be honest outside of the top four standouts in Imran, Tendulkar, Richards and Marshall I would struggle fixing an exact order. How to value Kallis vs. Hadlee? Miandad vs. Anil Kumble? Very difficult.

Great reply very analytical what about Lara?
 
As far as rating of all time goes, I won't argue with anyone because it's lot harder to compare bowlers vs batsmen and it gets harder with all generations. But it's pretty easy to see that SRT was better than Lara. Both were batsmen and played at the same time.

Good point about Bowlers vs Batsmen ... but on PP Tendulkar vs Lara is a slam dunk in favor of Lara according many posters :)

Tendulkar beats Lara in almost every single measure including Head to Head comparisons in India vs WI matches even when Tendulkar had the disadvantage of of facing better bowling attack.
 
Great reply very analytical what about Lara?

Basically there are two standout batsmen of the 70/80s and 90/2000s who are bonafide all-time greats and recognized as the best of their times. They are Gavaskar/Richards and Tendulkar/Lara. Greg Chappell and Ponting are next.

I think Lara just makes the top 10.
 
Basically there are two standout batsmen of the 70/80s and 90/2000s who are bonafide all-time greats and recognized as the best of their times. They are Gavaskar/Richards and Tendulkar/Lara. Greg Chappell and Ponting are next.

I think Lara just makes the top 10.
Good answer thanks I think only in test cricket Lara may edge Sachin and Viv read my earlier posts on Brian
 
You seem to overrated Sehwag a lot. How can Steyn be behind Sehwag in these rankings?And Hayden and Sehwag are roughly same. So no Hayden in the list makes no sense for me.

Quite a few more where I would disagree.
 
You seem to overrated Sehwag a lot. How can Steyn be behind Sehwag in these rankings?And Hayden and Sehwag are roughly same. So no Hayden in the list makes no sense for me.

Quite a few more where I would disagree.

Could you specify? Thanks. list disagreements
 
This is my evaluation of the 50 greatest cricketers of the last 40 years in my tentative order of merit.

I have given consideration to ODI's also but greater emphasis comparatively to performances in test cricket.Ability to in and turn matches given due consideration as well as strength of team played for and opposition.This prompted me to place Brian Lara ahead of greats like Kallis,Botham and Wasim.Another very important criteria was influence and impact on the era where Lillee scored over Mcgrath with his greater ferocity and agression.


Rated Wasim above Mcgrath as he was a considerably better batsmen ,possesed more skill overall as a paceman and was also a successful skipper.For sheer artistry and skill I think Wasim would be my choice in an all-time world xi instead of Mcgrath.

No batsmen scored more mammoth totals like Lara or had as high an average percentage score out of the team's total.Viv Richards never had to carry the brunt of such weak side's batting as Brian and in contrast played for a team of world -beaters.Just look at Lara's 5 best innings in test cricket which throws light on his greatness.

Statistically Kallis was the king as an all-rounder but lacked the x factor and did not turn the complexion or shape games like Imran, Viv, Warne and Sachin.On pure stats he could well have been at no 1.At his best Botham was close to the greatest ever and could turn game more than any cricketer.Sadly his form declined after 1982 .In the 1980 Jubliee tset and 1981 Ashse Botham even overshadowed Gary Sobers and from 1977 was on par with Viv Richards and Dennis Lillee as a cricketer.

In terms of pure bowling artistry or creative genius no paceman was ever the equal of Wasim Akram who was the equivalent of a magician. Wasim was the ultimate champion amongst O.D.I. bowlers.In his peak Wasim could overpower every great bowler even in test cricket.The greatest batsmen like Lara found him the hardest to face.

Adam Gilchrist in his era was like the Viv Richards of his time making the impact of a bulldozer.Adam Gilchrist got ranking as he was the best match-winner of his time who simply pulverized the opposition holding the bat like a machine gun.Sehwag could bat like guns blazing and no opening batsmen wa s ever more destructive at his best or had such a penchant for making mammoth scores.Barry Richards did not play official test cricket but of what we saw of him in Packer cricket and first class cricket was more complete than any batsmen.In WSC supertests he even overshadowed Viv Richards in his best 2 innings,topping the averages overall.Kapil Dev deserves his due considering he bolwed on flat pancakes.On his day he could make as exposive an impact on the course of a game like even Sobers or Botham resembling a hurricane.He wa sthe best ODI all-rounder of them all.Rahul Dravid was grit and determination personified and like Steve Waugh the ultimate man for a crisis.One of the best one down batsmen of al time.Border and Steve Waugh had a great influence on the game as leaders and in their era were the ultimate batsmen to bat for your life.Rated Border higher because of the calibre of opposition he faced and his role in sowing the seeds for the renaissance in Australian cricket.Ranked Greg Chappell ahead of Ricky Ponting because he overall had marginally more class and faced stronger opponents.I ahve taken Greg's remarkable aggregate of 1416 runs at 56.14 in Kerry Packer WSC cricket.Neverthless statistically in his peak period Ponting was the best batsmen of the last 4 decades and master against pace.Inzmamam was the best batsmen as a pure match-winner who could be flamboyant even in a crisis and go on to turn and win games.Zaheer Abbas was the ultimate stylsit and the best attacking batsmen aginst spin and medium pace of his generation.Very close to being the best O.D.I.Batsmen of his era averaging over 47.Curtly Ambrose was close to the best ever match-winner in a 4th innings and the most accurate of al the genuine quickies .Hadlee and Mcgrath were fast-medim but posessed more control than any paceman ever.Mcgrath could have been the most intelligent bowler ever who could be as daunting to face in times as even Lillee or Marshall.Abdul Qadir on his day was as lethal as Warne and bowled the googly better than anyone.Andy Roberts was very similar to Dennis Lille with his great versatility while no paceman posessed more average speed through the air as Michael Holding.Dale Steyn is statistically around the greatest paceman but did not face calibre of opposition as earlier greats did.Garner wa sthe most accurate paceman of all with Ambrose who could bowl as fast as anyone on his day.Courtney Walsh was simpla a bowling metronome,the ultimate workhorse amongst pacemna.He could even be harder to face than Ambrose with his guile.Aravinda De'Silva was like a technician and artist rolled into one.Sangakaara was the ultimate run making machine of the last decade superbly blending technique with artistry.Cllive Lloyd gave West Indian cricket a new dimension knitting a bunch of talented individual sinto an invincible unit .He defined West Indian cricket to the degree Worrel,Sobesr and Richards did being ever-consistent as a batsmen.David Gower was the most elegant batsmen of them all.Graham Gooch was the ultimate master against great pace.Gordon Grenidge for a whil in the 1980's was the best batsmen in the world,overshadowing even Viv Richards wit his 2 double centuries in England in 1984.Lastly I put Asif Iqbal as he had a tremendous influence on the game ,becoming a great batsmen in the later 1970's.


No cricketer could at his best turn a game or intimidate opposition like Viv Richards who revealed the aura of a great emperor.Viv was the king amongst batsmen in O.D.I.cricket turning games more than Tendulkar or Lara.In peak era even in only test cricket Viv was the best of the last 50 years.He fell out only on consistency.Shane Warne did more to shape arguably the best team ever than any cricketer and won more matches than Imran or Viv.Above all he redefined the role of the leg-spinner in the game.Imran was the greatest leader of them all who defined nation's cricket or shaped it's fortunes both as a skipper and cricketer to reach the top of the pedestal more than anyone.Tendulkar defined his age more than any cricketer with longevity at the top more than any sportsman let alone cricketer.His phenomenal comeback after tennis elbow was taken into account.



Top 50 cricketers of last 40 years ranked in tentative order of merit.

1.Shane Warne
2.Sachin Tendulkar
3.Viv Richards
4.Imran Khan
5.Malcolm Marshall
6.Dennis Lillee
7.Muthiah Murlitharan
8.Brian Lara
9.Ian Botham
10.Jacques Kallis
11.Richard Hadlee
12.Wasim Akram
13.Glen Mcgrath
14.Adam Gilchrist
15.Sunil Gavaskar
16.Barry Richards
17.Greg Chappell
18.Ricky Ponting
19.Curtly Ambrose
20.Alan Border
21.Waqar Younus
22.Javed Miandad
23.Kumar Sangakaara
24.Kapil Dev
25.Steve Waugh
26.Rahul Dravid
<B>27.Virendra Sehwag</B>
28.Clive Lloyd
<B>29.Dale Steyn</B>.
30.Abdul Qadir
31.Andy Roberts
32.Joel Garner
33.Graham Gooch
34.Michael Holding
35.Gordon Greenidge.
36.David Gower
37.Martin Crowe
38.Inzamam Ul Haq.
<B>39.Alan Donald</B>
40.Aravinda De'Silva
41.Zaheer Abbas
42.Younus Khan
43.Andrew Flintoff
<B>44.Shaun Pollock</B>
45.Kevin Pieterson
<B>46.Courtney Walsh</B>
47.David Boon
48.Gundapa Vishwanath
49.Mark Waugh
50.Asif Iqbal




Ultimately gave the top positions to Warne,Tendulkar,Richards and Imran because they influenced the course of the game more than anyone.I would apologize if there is element of bias in terms of separating Tendulkar,Imran ,Warne and Viv .

Gave consideration to Warne's role in Australia becoming a superpower i world cricket and bringing back the role of the leg-spinner.Tendulkar's phenomenal longevity at the top was more than that of Viv and Imran who were ahead as pure match-winners.Viv intimdated oposition more than any cricketer,let alone batsmen .Imran shaped the destinny of his nation as a leader and cricketer more than anyone.Had Imran performed at his best with both bat and ball and had Pakistan been more dominant at the top of the pedestal he may well have been at no 1.



Very unfortunate to omit such names as Des Haynes,Alvin Kalicharan,Dilip Vengsarkar,Richie Richardson,Saed Anwar,Chris Cairns ,Anil Kumble,Mark Taylor,Geoff Boycott,Majid Khan etc.All could so easily have made it.Excluded Ian Chappell and Geoff Boycott as they made their major contribution before 1977.

[MENTION=132062]Harsh Thakor[/MENTION], these ones.

Matthew Hayden is missing as well.
 
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I think people underrated murli here,this guy has highest wicket in odi,test.most no of 5fer,most 10fer,best average ,economy rate.he beat warne in every single box.
 
All these points have been discussed many times with [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] plus what Tendulkar achieved overseas when he was still a Teen. It won't matter ... as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has a dislike for Tendulkar ( and anything to do wth Indian Cricket ).



Why is that ?

where do you rank at 1 or below?

3rd or 4th..vivan comes on 2nd for me..

Gavaskar is ahead of Richards in every statistical category, and the game of cricket is won or lost by adding the number of runs at the end of the day. Gavaskar was also an opener and faced better bowling. Any objective list would have him ahead of Richards.
 
Very impressive reply. analytical .What about glen McGrath? Great post again.

This is just unreal.

There is literally not one piece of analysis in what he said.

The closest to analysis there is the assertion that Imran is an "all-round package"..

Coming from the Jack Hobss thread, this is unreal; every time someone actually gives detailed analysis you don't care at all, and whenever someone gives a list of names you like without adding anything, you think it's wonderfully analytical....Bias much.
 
This is just unreal.

There is literally not one piece of analysis in what he said.

The closest to analysis there is the assertion that Imran is an "all-round package"..

Coming from the Jack Hobss thread, this is unreal; every time someone actually gives detailed analysis you don't care at all, and whenever someone gives a list of names you like without adding anything, you think it's wonderfully analytical....Bias much.

Don't expect any meaningful conversation with him. He is not here for that. His only agenda is to peddle the "old is gold" bull dust.
 
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