[PICTURES] Is Joe Root’s reputation in danger due to Indian propaganda?

[Ab Fan]

I usually speak or favour players purely based on facts. If a player has done well, I give him a credit and I was the first one to give Root the credit he deserved for scoring 700+ runs at home vs a strong Indian attack.

However, this propaganda that Root’s failure in Australia is equal to SRT’s failure in Pakistan is completely rubbish. By the same token, you could make a case that Root too has failed in Pakistan and he unlike Tendulkar has faced complete nobodies during his era.

I still enjoy watching Root bat and rate him highly but posters need not get overexcited based on his one performance and start making claims such as “he is all set to surpass SRT runs tally or we can’t respect Tendulkar because he averaged only 40 in Tests even though willing to make Root as new Daddy”.

 

[Rajdeep]

The Indian criticism of Joe Root is hilarious when no country has allowed him to score more runs home and away than India

Indian bowlers will have a lot of explaining to do to Tendulkar when Root overtakes him.

This is your thread na accusing Indians. So when they respond to a thread opened by you, it is Indians who are criticizing, is it?

 

[Devadwal]

Bumrah is not my father for sure but this entire forum has witnessed how you changed your father in last few months. That aside, no one has called Indian attack as GOAT. His 7 centuries out of 10 against India came at home...so saying he scored 10 centuries against India under swinging conditions is a massive hyperbole. When the ball swung a bit in Oval 2021, even Shardul Thakur was enough to knock his stumps.

The toughest tour for any English cricketer is Ashes and primarily downunder. The fact that he is a perennial loser there without a single century shows he cannot bat with slightest bit of pressure. Anyway, not sure why so much discussion is required. Root will never break Tendulkar's record in test cricket. Kheyali pulao banana band karo.

Your first line perfectly Some up behaviour of some fan's .

 

[Romali_rotti]

These Pakistani fans are even dumber than their national hero Im The Dim who claimed that Germany and Japan share borders, and that tress and plants produce oxygen at night

@Romali_rotti @Rajdeep - Just look at the logic and reasoning of this guy trying to downplay Tendulkar fantabulous record away from home

Records are meant to be broken, I feel Root can break it.

However if Root doesnt break the record, this thread is going to be too much fun.

 

[RahulBose]

Let Joe Root break it first.... I mean celebrating something that hasn't even happened yet.

Joe is just great in the current phase, he was worst of the Fab4 not so long ago.
So, you never know.

Sachin was a anomaly, I would be surprised if this happens twice in my lifetime.

And ofcourse, "someone" is just following his obvious propaganda, not even subtle.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

These Pakistani fans are even dumber than their national hero Im The Dim who claimed that Germany and Japan share borders, and that tress and plants produce oxygen at night

@Romali_rotti @Rajdeep - Just look at the logic and reasoning of this guy trying to downplay Tendulkar fantabulous record away from home

You have already been badly exposed 1. By your own Wisden saying Sachin has zero important knocks and 2. Your own lack of knowledge of cricket in 70s, 80s to bring down Miandads MOTM records is also badly exposed.

Now you have recourse but to insult politicians with name calling and also use name calling and abuses on posters. Even though this is an interesting debate nobody else has went down that route apart from you.

Out of respect to other Indian posters I won't go down that route with you even though your country is ripe for providing entertainment in this field.

 

[Hitman]

Records are meant to be broken, I feel Root can break it.

However if Root doesnt break the record, this thread is going to be too much fun.

These were the same set of fans on PP who were dancing wearing their lungis in 2006 claiming how Ponting will end up with 18,000 runs and 60 centuries at an average of more than 60 in Test cricket.

 

[Romali_rotti]

These were the same set of fans on PP who were dancing wearing their lungis in 2006 claiming how Ponting will end up with 18,000 runs and 60 centuries at an average of more than 60 in Test cricket.

Well Ponting has let our Pakistanis down.

Hopefully Root won't let em down.

Lol..

 

[Rajdeep]

Bumrah is not my father for sure but this entire forum has witnessed how you changed your father in last few months. That aside, no one has called Indian attack as GOAT. His 7 centuries out of 10 against India came at home...so saying he scored 10 centuries against India under swinging conditions is a massive hyperbole. When the ball swung a bit in Oval 2021, even Shardul Thakur was enough to knock his stumps.

The toughest tour for any English cricketer is Ashes and primarily downunder. The fact that he is a perennial loser there without a single century shows he cannot bat with slightest bit of pressure. Anyway, not sure why so much discussion is required. Root will never break Tendulkar's record in test cricket. Kheyali pulao banana band karo.

Sorry @Mamoom I have nothing but admiration for you as a poster over the years. So my intention was never to get personal as I have massive respect for you.

@The_bald_eagle or other admins, pls delete the first line which I typed in jest. Thank you

 

[Hitman]

You have already been badly exposed 1. By your own Wisden saying Sachin has zero important knocks and 2. Your own lack of knowledge of cricket in 70s, 80s to bring down Miandads MOTM records is also badly exposed.

That list was created in 2001, and Tendulkar retired in 2013. The exact same Wisden rated him the second greatest Test batsman after Bradman, and the second greatest ODI batsman after Richards in 2002. The exact same Wisden honored him by giving him a place in their All Time Test XI where neither Lara or Ponting or Im The Dim found a place.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That list was created in 2001, and Tendulkar retired in 2013. The exact same Wisden rated him the second greatest Test batsman after Bradman, and the second greatest ODI batsman after Richards in 2002. The exact same Wisden honored him by giving him a place in their All Time Test XI where neither Lara or Ponting or Im The Dim found a place.

Ok so you are willing to concede that he was inconsequential from his debut until 2001.

From 2001 - 2013 there were other batsmen who outplayed him too.

 

[RahulBose]

It's not Joe Roots fault that there a billion Indians with nothing better to do apart from cricket. It's a weak argument to make. You can argue that there was more pressure on Srinath too than there was on Glenn Mcgrath.

England cricketers have lots of pressure on them to perform in Ashes that's why they find it difficult particularly in Australia where they had to face 90k hostile crowds.

During Tendulkars time it was expected that India would lose away from home so Tendulkar could score some pressure free runs because the game result was inconsequential for the most part.

Sachin never played a single pressure free innings. He always had the pressure of a billion people following his scorecard.

Right now, the pressure is divided among a good number of Indian players, but back then, it was just focussed on him.

So, yeah, that logic does not check out.

Every away tour was marketed as Sachin vs best bowler of the home team.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Joe Root is now averaging 51.08. There will be an age related decline and if that average finishes below 50, it won't need Indian propaganda to make a point

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sachin never played a single pressure free innings. He always had the pressure of a billion people following his scorecard.

Right now, the pressure is divided among a good number of Indian players, but back then, it was just focussed on him.

So, yeah, that logic does not check out.

Every away tour was marketed as Sachin vs best bowler of the home team.

That's an India problem not the problem of every other batsman on earth who is non Indian and can't be used as a metric to differentiate between players.

 

[RahulBose]

That's an India problem not the problem of every other batsman on earth who is non Indian and can't be used as a metric to differentiate between players.

But your logic was pressure free. So try again. Pressure is pressure.

 

[Hitman]

Ok so you are willing to concede that he was inconsequential from his debut until 2001.

From 2001 - 2013 there were other batsmen who outplayed him too.

If he were inconsequential from his debut till 2002, why did Wisden rate him the second greatest Test batsman after Bradman and the second greatest ODI batsman after Richards in 2002? India had the worst bowling attack in the world and a joke of a batting line up specially away from home from his debut till around 2000, which is the reason his masterclasses away from home specially in Australia and South Africa couldn't result in victories for his team.

Wisden clearly stated that they picked innings that came in victories. Which meant that a player could play the most fabulous innings against the best bowling attack and yet it wouldn't be featured in the list if it didn't came in a win or at least a draw.​

 

[RahulBose]

You have to be cricket blind to not understand how rare players like Sachin are.

 

[Rajdeep]

@Hitman I trust you to take it on from here since I am heading out. We may have to fight tooth and nail but Sachin's insult cant be tolerated.

 

[Mamoon]

Sorry @Mamoom I have nothing but admiration for you as a poster over the years. So my intention was never to get personal as I have massive respect for you.

@The_bald_eagle or other admins, pls delete the first line which I typed in jest. Thank you

Don’t worry about it. I don’t get offended. Btw, who said that Root has 10 centuries vs India in swinging conditions?

You misread what I wrote. I meant that he averages 100+ vs GOAT Indian attack in proper swinging conditions and has 10 centuries vs India overall.

Root has bashed India home and away more so than he bashed any other country, and it is in an era where India is enjoying its greatest ever period as a bowling unit so they have no excuse for getting bashed by him and when he does overtake Tendulkar, Indian fans should blame their bowlers and not look for excuses to put Root down.

 

[Hitman]

Out of respect to other Indian posters I won't go down that route with you even though your country is ripe for providing entertainment in this field.

Respect, and you? That too towards Indian posters?

 

[Hitman]

@Hitman I trust you to take it on from here since I am heading out. We may have to fight tooth and nail but Sachin's insult cant be tolerated.

Bro, couldn't be bothered with random nobodies, that too Pakistanis. Their opinion on India and anything Indian is as significant as their current cricket team and their booming economy.

 

[Ab Fan]

Don’t worry about it. I don’t get offended. Btw, who said that Root has 10 centuries vs India in swinging conditions?

You misread what I wrote. I meant that he averages 100+ vs GOAT Indian attack in proper swinging conditions and has 10 centuries vs India overall.

Root has bashed India home and away more so than he bashed any other country, and it is in an era where India is enjoying its greatest ever period as a bowling unit so they have no excuse for getting bashed by him and when he does overtake Tendulkar, Indian fans should blame their bowlers and not look for excuses to put Root down.

Good achievement this but he needs to perform in Australia too, he has played a lot of tests there and 0 century is a big question mark. Tendulkar got his first one in 1992 at age of 19.

If he doesn’t perform in Australia, he will reach Ponting level at max in Tests and Ponting was a great white ball player too. So, Root and his fans should focus on one by one step rather than wondering so much about SRT runs tally this early.

 

[Mamoon]

Good achievement this but he needs to perform in Australia too, he has played a lot of tests there and 0 century is a big question mark. Tendulkar got his first one in 1992 at age of 19.

If he doesn’t perform in Australia, he will reach Ponting level at max in Tests and Ponting was a great white ball player too. So, Root and his fans should focus on one by one step rather than wondering so much about SRT runs tally this early.

He is one century away from matching Tendulkar’s legacy in Pakistan and the New Zealand legacy of overrated 48 averaging clown like Kohli. I’m sure he will match their Mickey Mouse legacies in the next Ashes.

 

[Hitman]

Good achievement this but he needs to perform in Australia too, he has played a lot of tests there and 0 century is a big question mark. Tendulkar got his first one in 1992 at age of 19.

His very first tour to Australia as an 18 year old, not 19, and he scored 2 centuries there. One in Perth, regarded as the fastest and the most devastating pitch of in the world at that time. The other in Sydney.

Richie Benaud said in 2008 that his century in Perth was the finest innings he saw any foreign player play in Australian soil. And he was a man who saw even Bradman play.

And here's Ian Chappell rating that innings at #6 among the top 10 Test innings he ever saw.

The choice is upto you, who's opinion holds more credibility. The opinion of some random nobodies, that too from Pakistan. Or the opinion of such people

 

[mominsaigol]

Respect, and you? That too towards Indian posters?

I've long since questioned if he's bi polar since he literally goes from 0-100 and 100-0 in a flash.

Never seen any other poster like that lol

 

[Hitman]

Well Ponting has let our Pakistanis down.

Hopefully Root won't let em down.

Lol..

Got to agree. They have the habit of chaging their Abbus. First it was Lara, then Ponting, Kallis, Sangakkara, Cook ..... and now Root.

Too many disappointments for them so far.

 

[Hitman]

I've long since questioned if he's bi polar since he literally goes from 0-100 and 100-0 in a flash.

Never seen any other poster like that lol

He has often been at odds with you. He is often at odds with anyone with a different opinion than him. And then he speaks of respect.

 

[mominsaigol]

He has often been at odds with you. He is often at odds with anyone with a different opinion than him. And then he speaks of respect.

Lots of people have been at odds with me. That's not what I'm referring to. I'm speaking of his overall style of Communicating.

At one point he flipped out on me on timepass threatening to find me in Australia and travel to assassinate me, The next day he's pinging me on a chacha performance as if he's my buddy and we're having a bitter banter.

Then on timepass he's chilling with me and talking to me about job prospects and life and next day he's calling me an abusive poster and a liar, and then the next day after that he's neutral with me again and liking my posts and then the next day after that he's once again aggressive with me .

This has never happened with anyone except him.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is one century away from matching Tendulkar’s legacy in Pakistan and the New Zealand legacy of overrated 48 averaging clown like Kohli. I’m sure he will match their Mickey Mouse legacies in the next Ashes.

Alas, he can’t match Tendulkar’s invincible legacy in Australia. Neither can he do for Kohli’s invincible legacy in South Africa and Australia.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Joe Root is now averaging 51.08. There will be an age related decline and if that average finishes below 50, it won't need Indian propaganda to make a point

Root can bounce back with high scores on pitches where batting is easy to moderately difficult.
On flat pitches, he is superior to Smith and Kohli, and second only to Williamson.
Smith has scored more match-defining innings on tough tracks than Root. He is the best Test batsman of this era

 

[Mamoon]

Alas, he can’t match Tendulkar’s invincible legacy in Australia. Neither can he do for Kohli’s invincible legacy in South Africa and Australia.

What invincible legacy? How many Test series did Tendulkar win in Australia? How many Test series did Kohli win in South Africa?

He won in Australia against B team in 2018-19 and then ran away after the first Test in 2020/2021 after captaining his side to 36 all out in the first Test.

 

[Romali_rotti]

One thing to be at odds another thing to insult countries, peoples intelligence and religions which is your modus operandi

Let's look at the scenario shall we:

Pakistanis desperately leech onto batsmen from other countries and keep hyping them up because they can't live with the fact second greatest bat ever is an Indian.

This is really sad behaviour, because it makes Pakistanis look so desperate and comical, makes you look like you have zero self respect when you have to resort to kissing the rear ends of players from other countries because you have no players that can compare with the 2nd greatest bat of all time...

Pakistan the country is finished and beyond redemption, living off loans from IMF.

You put yourself in this position to be ridiculed, blame yourself for all the mess that comes your way...


P.S. NO I am not saying India is perfect, Indians have a lot of pathetic issues going against them but can't be compared to Pakistan till the end of time.

 

[Ab Fan]

What invincible legacy? How many Test series did Tendulkar win in Australia? How many Test series did Kohli win in South Africa?

He won in Australia against B team in 2018-19 and then ran away after the first Test in 2020/2021 after captaining his side to 36 all out in the first Test.

Winning is a function of team not individuals. Tendulkar didn’t have the support of fast bowlers to go and win series there but he was superb in 1992 tour with 2 tons at age of 18 and then went on to win player of the series in 1999 tour to Australia. He also delivered in his best possible chance to win a series there by scoring a 241 in series decider with no cover drive shot but unfortunately that Aus batting lineup was GOAT level with Gilchrist coming at 7 and drew that series.

Tendulkar has 11 tons vs Australia and 6 of them in Australia. Kohli himself has 6 tons in Australia, these are few players who have gone to Australia and dominated them with their prolific run scoring. Very few can boost of that level of performance. Now once India had the luxury of ATG fast bowler calibre like Jasprit Bumrah, India went on to win back to back two series and that too vs a side featuring Smith and Cummins, absolute greats of Australian cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Winning is a function of team not individuals. Tendulkar didn’t have the support of fast bowlers to go and win series there but he was superb in 1992 tour with 2 tons at age of 18 and then went on to win player of the series in 1999 tour to Australia. He also delivered in his best possible chance to win a series there by scoring a 241 in series decider with no cover drive shot but unfortunately that Aus batting lineup was GOAT level with Gilchrist coming at 7 and drew that series.

Tendulkar has 11 tons vs Australia and 6 of them in Australia. Kohli himself has 6 tons in Australia, these are few players who have gone to Australia and dominated them with their prolific run scoring. Very few can boost of that level of performance. Now once India had the luxury of ATG fast bowler calibre like Jasprit Bumrah, India went on to win back to back two series and that too vs a side featuring Smith and Cummins, absolute greats of Australian cricket.

You wrote a lot but said nothing.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Let's look at the scenario shall we:

Pakistanis desperately leech onto batsmen from other countries and keep hyping them up because they can't live with the fact second greatest bat ever is an Indian.

This is really sad behaviour, because it makes Pakistanis look so desperate and comical, makes you look like you have zero self respect when you have to resort to kissing the rear ends of players from other countries because you have no players that can compare with the 2nd greatest bat of all time...

Pakistan the country is finished and beyond redemption, living off loans from IMF.

You put yourself in this position to be ridiculed, blame yourself for all the mess that comes your way...


P.S. NO I am not saying India is perfect, Indians have a lot of pathetic issues going against them but can't be compared to Pakistan till the end of time.

This is your opinion.

However let me reassure you, this is a cricket forum and everyone has the right to discuss cricketers and you can't limit peoples right to expression based on your own bias. There are many such threads of player X v player Y.

It's funny you bring up this faux nationalism when Tendulkar is mentioned, but Pakistanis also credit many Indian players and respect their achievements.

The end result is always the same with you guys. Disrespect countries and religion when push comes to shove over some gentle discussion about a cricketer.

 

[Croma]

On Topic

Tendulkar 15921*
Root 12721*

3201 runs to get..

If he plays till 40 like Tendulkar/, he probably should get there

 

[Romali_rotti]

This is your opinion.

However let me reassure you, this is a cricket forum and everyone has the right to discuss cricketers and you can't limit peoples right to expression based on your own bias. There are many such threads of player X v player Y.

It's funny you bring up this faux nationalism when Tendulkar is mentioned, but Pakistanis also credit many Indian players and respect their achievements.

The end result is always the same with you guys. Disrespect countries and religion when push comes to shove over some gentle discussion about a cricketer.

I have seen this weird obsession with Tendulkar long before you were here going back to 2002 before Saj started this forum, it was under Pakistan Cricket Fever same Pakistanis old and new generation, SRT has you lot under some weird spell lol.

This is one thing you have to credit the Indians, they always gave mad respect and love to Wasim and rated him as one of the greatest. Wasim has a huge following in India..

Wasim is Pakistan's best fast bowler afterall..

 

[Hitman]

On Topic

Tendulkar 15921*
Root 12721*

3201 runs to get..

If he plays till 40 like Tendulkar/, he probably should get there

Number of innings matter, not age.

 

[Hitman]

I have seen this weird obsession with Tendulkar long before you were here going back to 2002 before Saj started this forum, it was under Pakistan Cricket Fever same Pakistanis old and new generation, SRT has you lot under some weird spell lol.

This is one thing you have to credit the Indians, they always gave mad respect and love to Wasim and rated him as one of the greatest. Wasim has a huge following in India..

Wasim is Pakistan's best fast bowler afterall..

It's called inferiority complex.

 

[Romali_rotti]

It's called inferiority complex.

Amen..

 

[Ab Fan]

You wrote a lot but said nothing.

What does that even mean? You want me to send an audio instead of responding to your post.

 

[Croma]

Number of innings matter, not age.

Longevity guarantees more innings

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have seen this weird obsession with Tendulkar long before you were here going back to 2002 before Saj started this forum, it was under Pakistan Cricket Fever same Pakistanis old and new generation, SRT has you lot under some weird spell lol.

This is one thing you have to credit the Indians, they always gave mad respect and love to Wasim and rated him as one of the greatest. Wasim has a huge following in India..

Wasim is Pakistan's best fast bowler afterall..

You see the way players like Imran and Miandad etc respect Gavaskar? How Dhoni and Kohli are widely admired and respected in Pakistan.

However if we claim 1 player is perhaps not the God of cricket then you guys respond with economy and all this trash.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Typical Joe Root.

Has been the same in all tours of India.
Will go big on the flatty and then low scores will follow when the pitches start taking turn.

As for Sachins record, Its safe.

Btw, there is a high chance that Root retires with a below 50 average and not even be counted as an ATG.

 

[Mamoon]

Typical Joe Root.

Has been the same in all tours of India.
Will go big on the flatty and then low scores will follow when the pitches start taking turn.

As for Sachins record, Its safe.

Btw, there is a high chance that Root retires with a below 50 average and not even be counted as an ATG.

There is an even better chance of fake King Kohli retired with a below 49 average.

India is a cricket nation that glorifies a mediocre Test batsman like Kohli with an average of 48 and less than 10k runs as some GOAT.

Then again, why is it surprising when nothing cricketers like Dhoni and Laxman became legends in Indian cricket.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

There is an even better chance of fake King Kohli retired with a below 49 average.

India is a cricket nation that glorifies a mediocre Test batsman like Kohli with an average of 48 and less than 10k runs as some GOAT.

Then again, why is it surprising when nothing cricketers like Dhoni and Laxman became legends in Indian cricket.

No worries , we already have Gavaskar, Dravid and Tendulkar who average 50, England hasn’t produced a single player averaging 50 in last 50 years.

The road ahead looks pretty harsh for Root, I know he will fail to average 50 plus just like all other English players.

It will be amusing to see him cross Sachins tally at age of 37 with an average of 48 and not even having ATG status.

 

[Mamoon]

No worries , we already have Gavaskar, Dravid and Tendulkar who average 50, England hasn’t produced a single player averaging 50 in last 50 years.

The road ahead looks pretty harsh for Root, I know he will fail to average 50 plus just like all other English players.

It will be amusing to see him cross Sachins tally at age of 37 with an average of 48 and not even having ATG status.

It will definitely be amusing to see a batsman that Indians consider the worst in history surpass Tendulkar. It will show that Tendulkar’s accumulated records have zero value.

They really though Kohli was gonna do it in Tests but Kohli showed he doesn’t have the talent and skill of Root.

 

[Mamoon]

No Indian is ready for these facts that expose the Tendulkar myth:

There have been around 30 instances of an Indian batsman scoring more than 500 runs in a Test series. Batsmen like Gavaskar, Dravid and Kohli managed the fear multiple times. However, interestingly enough, Tendulkar did it 0 times.

Tendulkar played Test cricket for 24 years. However, when you look at the list of most runs scores in a calendar year, you will find his name only twice out of the top 20 and not once in the top 5.

There are 0 instances of Tendulkar scoring 300 in a Test.

In spite of playing the most Test matches in history, 7 batsmen have scored more 200s than Tendulkar and 6 batsmen have scored the same number as he has. This includes two active players in Williamson and Root who should overtake his tally.

Tendulkar had 0 contribution to three of India’s most famous Test wins of the 2000s - Kolkata 2001, Adelaide 2003 and Rawalpindi 2004.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It will definitely be amusing to see a batsman that Indians consider the worst in history surpass Tendulkar. It will show that Tendulkar’s accumulated records have zero value.

They really though Kohli was gonna do it in Tests but Kohli showed he doesn’t have the talent and skill of Root.

Kohli is already the LOI GOAT and the most important cricketer of this generation. The biggest superstar of cricket since a decade.
So the talent and skill argument is already kicked out.

The test tally is anyway gonna be with us as Roots not overtaking it but even if he does do it at less than 50 average it will be similar to Anderson who is respected only for quantity and not quality, people still call him Clouderson

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli is already the LOI GOAT and the most important cricketer of this generation.

You can’t be the most important cricketer of your generation when you are not even a great in Test cricket.

The biggest superstar of cricket since a decade.
So the talent and skill argument is already kicked out.

The only thing that got kicked out is Kohli from the legends of cricket league thanks to lack of talent and skill to average 50+ and score 10k runs in Test cricket by the age of 36.

The test tally is anyway gonna be with us as Roots not overtaking it but even if he does do it at less than 50 average it will be similar to Anderson who is respected only for quantity and not quality, people still call him Clouderson

Root will overtake Tendulkar. 100%.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You can’t be the most important cricketer of your generation when you are not even a great in Test cricket.

The Olympics disagrees.

The only thing that got kicked out is Kohli from the legends of cricket league thanks to lack of talent and skill to average 50+ and score 10k runs in Test cricket by the age of 36.

Kohli will score 10k don’t worry, he will surpass your YK in runs and therefore surpass all Pakistani test batsmen.

Root will overtake Tendulkar. 100%.

Highly unlikely, also let him maintain his 50 average first, as of now it comes down to 49 after a couple of matches in difficult conditions

 

[Mamoon]

The Olympics disagrees.

Popularity is different from greatness as a cricketer. India has the biggest fan base in cricket and Kohli is India’s most popular cricketer. Therefore, a promotional campaign of cricket will feature Kohli.

Greatness and popularity don’t always go hand in hand as is the case with Kohli who is not even good enough to average 50 in Test cricket but is the most famous cricketer in the world.

Kohli will score 10k don’t worry, he will surpass your YK in runs and therefore surpass all Pakistani test batsmen.

He can even score 15k if he plays for long enough but the key factor is his embarrassing average.

Highly unlikely, also let him maintain his 50 average first, as of now it comes down to 49 after a couple of matches in difficult conditions

Kohli’s average is down to 48 in spite of playing so many Test matches at home. How embarrassing.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Popularity is different from greatness as a cricketer. India has the biggest fan base in cricket and Kohli is India’s most popular cricketer. Therefore, a promotional campaign of cricket will feature Kohli.

Greatness and popularity don’t always go hand in hand as is the case with Kohli who is not even good enough to average 50 in Test cricket but is the most famous cricketer in the world.

He can even score 15k if he plays for long enough but the key factor is his embarrassing average.

Kohli’s average is down to 48 in spite of playing so many Test matches at home. How embarrassing.

So yeah you do agree he is the most important cricketer of this generation, nice.

His embarrassing average is just 1.3 short of Roots heroic average, which mr Root corrected this year itself, just wait and watch.

Anyways, We already have three batsmen with 50 + average, let Root end with 50 and then we will discuss, as of now he is pretty much on the boundary.

 

[Mamoon]

So yeah you do agree he is the most important cricketer of this generation, nice.

His embarrassing average is just 1.3 short of Roots heroic average, which mr Root corrected this year itself, just wait and watch.

Anyways, We already have three batsmen with 50 + average, let Root end with 50 and then we will discuss, as of now he is pretty much on the boundary.

Importance/popularity and greatness don’t go hand in hand. Mia Khalifa is one of the most famous women on the planet but that doesn’t mean she’s a great woman.

The difference between Root and Kohli is that Root is still in his prime while Kohli is at the end of his career. Root’s average can go higher before it dips but Kohli’s average is only going to go one way.

I think BCCI should terminate his career to protect his fledging legacy. He has already been demoted from the Tendulkar/Lara/Ponting class in Test cricket to the Inzamam and Yousaf class. They can’t afford him to drop to the VVS Laxman class by having his average drop even further.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Importance/popularity and greatness don’t go hand in hand. Mia Khalifa is one of the most famous women on the planet but that doesn’t mean she’s a great woman.

The difference between Root and Kohli is that Root is still in his prime while Kohli is at the end of his career. Root’s average can go higher before it dips but Kohli’s average is only going to go one way.

I think BCCI should terminate his career to protect his fledging legacy. He has already been demoted from the Tendulkar/Lara/Ponting class in Test cricket to the Inzamam and Yousaf class. They can’t afford him to drop to the VVS Laxman class by having his average drop even further.

Joe Root is turning 34, he has had a golden patch in last 4 years but it's gonna end soon.

BTW, in him prime Kohli averaged nearly 56, Root averages 50 odd after his purple patch, I am quite sure this average will go down below 50 as soon as this purple patch ends.

Kohli already has 29 centuries and is gonna score 10k, that elevates him above Inzamam and Yousuf class.

 

[Mamoon]

Joe Root is turning 34, he has had a golden patch in last 4 years but it's gonna end soon.

BTW, in him prime Kohli averaged nearly 56, Root averages 50 odd after his purple patch, I am quite sure this average will go down below 50 as soon as this purple patch ends.

Kohli already has 29 centuries and is gonna score 10k, that elevates him above Inzamam and Yousuf class.

It doesn’t matter how much he averaged in his prime. If you end your career with a <50 average as a number 4, you are not great.

He can’t be above Inzamam and Yousuf unless he average 50 when he ends his career.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It doesn’t matter how much he averaged in his prime. If you end your career with a <50 average as a number 4, you are not great.

He can’t be above Inzamam and Yousuf unless he average 50 when he ends his career.

Same applies to your Joe Root, he can't be above Tendulkar if he doesn't finish with 50+ average, I know you are mostly a casual cricket fan and more of a forum obsessed person but take a look at Roots stats and averages, he has recently taken that average to 50 otherwise he has always struggled to average 50, let him maintain this average for a couple of years and then talk about Tendulkar

Imagine Root averaging 49 without adding a 1000 more runs, according to you he will be comparable to Inzamam and Yousuf, so the comparison with Tendulkar makes no sense

Unlike Tendulkar,Dravid ,Gavaskar who averaged above 55 for most of their career and then ended up with 54,52 and 51 average, Joe Root has absolutely no cooling off space and his average will be down to 49(even below that) as soon as age related decline comes in, and I will be the first one to tag you at that time.

TLDR - Root is pretty close to that 50 avg mark , it's very much probable that he ends up below that mark . He basically cannot afford age related decline at all.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You see the way players like Imran and Miandad etc respect Gavaskar? How Dhoni and Kohli are widely admired and respected in Pakistan.

However if we claim 1 player is perhaps not the God of cricket then you guys respond with economy and all this trash.

We are not talking about players admiring another player, we are talking about fans behaviour.

Now to your second point:

Its no different to you mentioning religion on a thread that has nothing to do with it. I never mentioned religion on this thread from memmory.

 

[Technics 1210]

Is this thread still going? I thought Sachinistas didn't care about records? Or is this also a myth like Tendulkar's legacy?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We are not talking about players admiring another player, we are talking about fans behaviour.

Now to your second point:

Its no different to you mentioning religion on a thread that has nothing to do with it. I never mentioned religion on this thread from memmory.

Fan behaviour is the same.

There are some fans in Pakistan who consider Tendulkar the GOAT. Will you also consider their opinion irrelevant due to Pakistan's economy?

There are plenty of fans in India who don't think Tendulkar is the best batsman some prefer Gavaskar or Kohli? Will you accept their opinion or are they also jealous and have an inferiority complex?

When you have to hide behind these statements instead of dealing in facts then it's clear you are don't really have a strong case to make.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Is this thread still going? I thought Sachinistas didn't care about records? Or is this also a myth like Tendulkar's legacy?

They are clutching at straws and while hurling abuses have given Sachin some new records because the old myths have been shattered

He is now the GOAT because he scored test runs at 18 in Perth and because 1 billion Indians made him feel under pressure.

Don't disagree or you will be labelled jealous and poor.

 

[Technics 1210]

It has been proven beyond doubt, in this thread alone, that Tendulkar is a bang average batsman. So why was he awarded the Bharat Ratna award, and considered the God of batting ? Clearly it wasn't for his batting, his batting never won India anything of value or note, no, it was because Indians felt pity on him. This is a cold hard fact.

Sachinism is all based on victimhood.

 

[Technics 1210]

They are clutching at straws and while hurling abuses have given Sachin some new records because the old myths have been shattered

He is now the GOAT because he scored test runs at 18 in Perth and because 1 billion Indians made him feel under pressure.

Don't disagree or you will be labelled jealous and poor.

I didn't know a GOAT could lay golden eggs, I thought that was a Goose.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I didn't know a GOAT could lay golden eggs, I thought that was a Goose.

GOAT or Goose its up to people to decide, but is clear is he no god for us Pakistanis considering he lost more matches than he won against us.

 

[Technics 1210]

GOAT or Goose its up to people to decide, but is clear is he no god for us Pakistanis considering he lost more matches than he won against us.

True, no God would ever bow, not even to a delivery.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Indian fans: we don’t care if Root overtakes Tendulkar or not.

Also Indian fans whenever Root doesn’t score:

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I feel called out…..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Which one of the following will you choose then?

1. Sachin > Root > Kohli

2. Sachin > Kohli > Root

3. Root > Sachin > Kohli

4. Root > Kohli > Sachin

5. Kohli > Sachin > Root

6. Kohli > Root > Sachin

My pick is #1.

 

[Rajdeep]

Which one of the following will you choose then?

1. Sachin > Root > Kohli

2. Sachin > Kohli > Root

3. Root > Sachin > Kohli

4. Root > Kohli > Sachin

5. Kohli > Sachin > Root

6. Kohli > Root > Sachin

My pick is #1.

In tests, it is #1

In ODIs, it is #2

Overall, it is #2 as Virat the test batter is better than Root the ODI batter

Bottomline is Sachin is no.1 in any matrix or combination.

Funny thing is, Pak fans tried every possible trick in last few weeks by bringing every possible player but still not able to beat Sachin here in debates

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Which one of the following will you choose then?

1. Sachin > Root > Kohli

2. Sachin > Kohli > Root

3. Root > Sachin > Kohli

4. Root > Kohli > Sachin

5. Kohli > Sachin > Root

6. Kohli > Root > Sachin

My pick is #1.

If the criteria is majorly overrated, slightly overrated and underrated then option 2.

 

[Mamoon]

For the last 13 years of his career, which is more than half of his career, Tendulkar was never in contention of being the best batsman in the world.

This proves that skill, talent and technique wise, he had no comparative superiority. His biggest asset was his longevity. He started way earlier than others which helped him accumulate records.

Part of it has to do with the fact that he was really good for a teenager but never improved afterwards. He was one of those rare players who reached their ceiling by 19-20 and then it was about sustaining it.

Part of it has to do with the fact that Indian batting by 89-90 was paper thin. Gavaskar and Viswanath had retired and Vengsarkar was on his last legs.

There was a huge gaping hole in the batting lineup that allowed Tendulkar to be fast tracked at an early age which wouldn’t have happened otherwise and he would have to wait for another 4-5 years to make his debut.

The fact that for the 90% of his career he was getting out-scored every year by other batsmen proves that he wasn’t a standout batsman.

Literally any quality batsman would match his record if he plays 200 Test matches. There is absolutely nothing special about his career apart from number of matches played.

 

[Mamoon]

Which one of the following will you choose then?

1. Sachin > Root > Kohli

2. Sachin > Kohli > Root

3. Root > Sachin > Kohli

4. Root > Kohli > Sachin

5. Kohli > Sachin > Root

6. Kohli > Root > Sachin

My pick is #1.

Sachin = Root >>>> Kohli

Kohli is a rubbish Test batsman.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Sachin = Root >>>> Kohli

Kohli is a rubbish Test batsman.

Let Root end up with 50 average first.
Quite sure he gonna end up on 49 or below considering he is due age related decline and his average is just above 50.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan is helping Tendulkar fans by dismsising him cheaply.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Root would have been much closer to sachin if Pakistan continued to make flat tracks. but his struggle against spin was quite evident in 2nd and third matches so far.

He is a great player though. No doubt about it.

 

[Varun]

Root can only score on flat pitches.

And in typical England fashion, can only succeed in one format of the game at best.

 

[mominsaigol]

@Nikhil_cric @Hitman @kron

To all my Indian brothers that i respect. Congratulations on proving why Sachin > Root.

This series is now a permanent stain on root's career and further proves why he isn't in that top league as a batter.

Root had the perfect opportunity to prove his critics wrong and score a century or even a double century and save his team in the 2nd and 3rd test.

He could have easily shown why he deserved the title of no 2 greatest in test cricket, but he proved why despite the run tally he just doesn't deserve to be in the class of Lara, Sachin, Smith and many others.

Still a terrific player, but it's clear who the winner is. I think this series settled the debate between the 2 given how Sachin neutralised Warne on spin pitches and only struggled against Mcgrath during that era.

 

[Devadwal]

Nor even top tier player so forget about his comparison with SRT.

Whenever he scored in subcontinent pitch were ulta flats

 

[Romali_rotti]

I keep saying Joe Root is in danger every time the wicket has something, anything in it.

 

[Hitman]

@Nikhil_cric @Hitman @kron

To all my Indian brothers that i respect. Congratulations on proving why Sachin > Root.

This series is now a permanent stain on root's career and further proves why he isn't in that top league as a batter.

Root had the perfect opportunity to prove his critics wrong and score a century or even a double century and save his team in the 2nd and 3rd test.

He could have easily shown why he deserved the title of no 2 greatest in test cricket, but he proved why despite the run tally he just doesn't deserve to be in the class of Lara, Sachin, Smith and many others.

Still a terrific player, but it's clear who the winner is. I think this series settled the debate between the 2 given how Sachin neutralised Warne on spin pitches and only struggled against Mcgrath during that era.

I'm still a huge fan of Root. Some Pakistani fans (unlike you) believe that currently Root is the #1 enemy of Indian fans.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

@Nikhil_cric @Hitman @kron

To all my Indian brothers that i respect. Congratulations on proving why Sachin > Root.

This series is now a permanent stain on root's career and further proves why he isn't in that top league as a batter.

Root had the perfect opportunity to prove his critics wrong and score a century or even a double century and save his team in the 2nd and 3rd test.

He could have easily shown why he deserved the title of no 2 greatest in test cricket, but he proved why despite the run tally he just doesn't deserve to be in the class of Lara, Sachin, Smith and many others.

Still a terrific player, but it's clear who the winner is. I think this series settled the debate between the 2 given how Sachin neutralised Warne on spin pitches and only struggled against Mcgrath during that era.

Still time in his career left so will wait for the final judgement.

But if Saffers and Aussies have their full strength attacks , he will fail in both places. He's weak against bounce.

And as @Hitman says, I'm actually a fan of Root. He's not enemy #1 in India as people are trying to portray.