Let Root draw/win a series in India/Australia. Or atleast qualify fot wtc finals. Otherwise all these are meaningless runs.
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Let Root draw/win a series in India/Australia. Or atleast quality fot wtc finals. Otherwise all these are meaningless runs.
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No one made Indians the guardian of Cricket. Performances in Australia are not the yardsticks of talent and skill.
Let Tendulkar score a century at Lord's first before speaking about Root in the same breath - oh wait....
Let Tendulkar score a century at Lord's first before speaking about Root in the same breath - oh wait....
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As I said, most of cricket fans are stats illiterate and you are a perfect example.
You have cherry picked cases. A literate person would provide all data (whether it supports the hypothesis or not).
Second this can also be seen as players improving as their career progressed. Not enough to show if it was change in external conditions or natural improvement of the players with experience.
And average is such a poor metric, especially in cricket.
Not your fault. Most cricket fans are illiterates when it comes to statistics.
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That goal post is only for Indian players not others, get your goals straight.
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Indians are not just the guardians, but also the owners of cricket.
Cricket is alive because of Indians.
Its not about India.
England, Australia and India are top three test teams.
You can't be great without winning against two of them.
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It is not about teams, but nations. India, Australia and England will always be the whole universe of Cricket, with India being its center. Other nations are just space debris.
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Y jaiswal will hunt him down. There will always be somebody . Who cares .
I am actually flummoxed by you @Mamoon . Usually u are insightful . I don’t think Indians care about SACHIN’s highest test score record .
When I look at cricket , test cricket today , I can definitely feel bowling quality as being inferior .
In SACHIN’s time -
South Africa , Pak , South Africa , had very good attacks . England and New Zealand had tremendous grassy pitches and decent bowlers . India didn’t play Bangla and Zim much . Overall , sachin battled warne ( won ) battled saqlain ( neutral ) battled Murali ( neutral )
Donald , pollock , Wasim , shoaib , mcgrath ..
Ambrose , walsh !!
In Joe roots time - last 10 years , bowling in tests barring India and Australia is suboptimal . Sri Lanka and Pak have been jokes . New Zealand and South Africa are ok . Zim and West Indies are just useless .
I think if I have to have a batter bat for my life and opposition has shoaib , Ambrose , Donald , mcgrath and Saqlain/ Murali/ Warne , I will pick sachin over Joe root .
But that’s academic . I like Joe roots compact defense and he batted well in India . But I rate him lower than sachin , just slightly.
But if u ask me truly , I will choose Gavaskar as the batsmen whom I want to bat for my life besides bradman .
So - bradman no 1 , Gavaskar no 2 , sachin no 3 and joe root / dravid no 4 .
If I want batsmen to dominate opposition.
No 1 bradman no 2 sir viv Richard’s no 3 Lara no 4 Sehwag .
But bumrah , boy o boy . He doesn’t need my or ur endorsement . He walks in to the West Indies pace quartet .
I have been a fan of ur opinions . But denigrating Bumrah is likely showing your age . Most Indians don’t consider sachin as most valuable player - most like me know value of once in a lifetime bowler like bumrah .
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This thread is an example of what is called Displacement theory in psychology. When your pride is at rock bottom, you displace your pride onto some other team or player to suddenly feel relevant and have a new identity ( namely "unbiased fans of true cricketers").
otherwise more commonly known as "Coping mechanism"
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Not only Indian media, Aussie media and players rate VVS very highly....The name Very Very Special was given by some Aussie fan.....
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Aussie media rates every one highly. Literally everyone. They never say a single mean thing to any cricketer besides England which they troll into oblivion.
Indian media only hypes themselves.
Pakistan media is a clown
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Impossible given the history of India and Pakistan
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1 how do u knowYall weren't even born in said history
2 conflict hasn’it hasn’t ended has it?
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Because that said history where Indians and Muslims were actually at each others throats ended a long time ago. Most people here weren't born or max were babies assuming their 50 to 60.
As for the 2nd part, Conflict hasn't ended, but it's still the government that hates. No Indian and pakistani acts this way in foreign countries. Their all chill.
Then again Indians living in India vs Pakistani living in pakistan, idk how they'd interact.
Abroad however their cool.
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Players like Chaminda Vaas and Vettori are celebrated as if the second coming of some ATGs.
Both were mediocre test bowlers with an overseas average of 34-35( Exclusive Zim, Bang) with SR around 75-80. Vettori home avg is 37.
Murali and Vaas is mentioned in the same sentence when one doesn't even have half test wickets than other. WPM for one is 6 and for other is around 3.4
Kumble is scrutinized for an overseas average of 35 which is Vettori career average, while Kumble had at least some match changing 5fers in SENA.
In ODIs both were decent containment bowlers with 1-2 wickets per spell nothing more.
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1) you are mingling religious conflict with national conflict
2) what exactly do u expect when Indian meets Pakistani in a 3rd country? Start swinging at each other?
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Hmm murali says hello .. oh no ball
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Very true, this is the reason why Sachin and Lara are and will be rated higher than Punters and Roots. They peaked in 90s leaving others behind by a big margin.
Had they peaked in 2000s, all the batting records would be rewritten in their favor. The biggest FTB era Cricket has seen.
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Yeah Michael Hussey and Mohammad Yousuf > Viv Richards and Greg Chappel, pitch had no factor to play in (lol)
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Yeah, Sachin and Lara > Root >>> Ponting based on eras, 2000s was ridiculously easy, players who averaged in the 40s in 90s were averaging 50+ in 2000s
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What is the proof of this? How do you know the playing conditions became easier and not that the player improved with experience?
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overall aggregate of 1990s – 29.45
overall aggregate average of 2000s – 32.02
on the flipside
Bowling average of 1990s – 31.5
bowling average of 2000s – 33.28
it's also pretty obvious lol, here is an analysis of how batsmen dominant 2000s was and how many draws there were
A time to loot and plunder
Aided by fat bats, flat pitches and the absence of menacing bowlers, batsmen made merry in the 2000s, setting new records and devaluing Test run-making in the process
there is a reason players like Mohammad Yousuf, Virender Sehwag, Michael Clarke and likes were averaging more than Viv Richards when they aere not even half the batsmen he was, it's conventional wisdom that 2000s and 60s were the flattest eras in cricket.
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The countdown has begun!
Expect more and more Root threads now.
UK broadsheets to tabloids to social media are talking about Root since England's historical win over Pakistan.
The win was only possible because of the 00' batting - Brook and Root.
Brook's career has just started, while Root is at his peak of his powers.
Brook & Root will be the talk of the town for many years now, get used to it.
Expect more and more Root threads now.
UK broadsheets to tabloids to social media are talking about Root since England's historical win over Pakistan.
The win was only possible because of the 00' batting - Brook and Root.
Brook's career has just started, while Root is at his peak of his powers.
Brook & Root will be the talk of the town for many years now, get used to it.
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When are we expecting root to get keys to the city of rawalpindi and made honorary pakistani?
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Whether you are 16, 26, 36 or 86 doesn’t matter - when you are picked to play, you have a responsibility to perform and if you don’t perform it will be held against you.
If Root deserves to be criticized for averaging 36 in Australia, Tendulkar also deserves to be criticized for averaging 40 in Pakistan. What is so difficult to understand?
It is also worth noting that Pakistan vs India bilaterals in the 90s and 2000s were bigger than the Ashes and Pakistani/Indian conditions are much more alike than Australian/English conditions, so it is harder for Root to score in Australia than it was for Tendulkar to score in Pakistan.
He wasn’t the catalyst for India winning in Pakistan in 2004. In fact, if it was for him, India would have lost because he scored a grand total of 1 runs in the third Test which was the decider.
Two years later, he returned to average 20 in Pakistan and pretended to squat like he was sitting on an Indian toilet when Asif clean bowled him. His signature move whenever he got clean bowled because he wanted to give the impression that the ball kept low, because he dare the god of batting get cleaned up. Too bad it never worked.
I suppose it is logical to ask for Root to be beheaded for averaging 36 in Australia in completely different conditions but Sachin should be awarded a Bharat Ratna for averaging 40 in familiar conditions?
Who asked India to pick him at 16 and how is it Pakistan’s problem? Should Imran, Wasim and Waqar have bowled underarm to baby Sachin because he was too young to play proper pace bowling?
Whether you are 16, 26, 36 or 86 doesn’t matter - when you are picked to play, you have a responsibility to perform and if you don’t perform it will be held against you.
It is not for a so-called god of Test batting who cannot be compared to any mortals including 50+ averaging batsmen. Pakistan reduced Tendulkar to a Rahane/Shafiq level batsmen in Test cricket. Tendulkar was just a normal batsman vs Pakistan and Indian fans shouldn’t get their nickers in a twist when facts are thrown in their faces.
Yeah that’s great so why doesn’t that apply to Root who has excellent record everywhere else?
If Root deserves to be criticized for averaging 36 in Australia, Tendulkar also deserves to be criticized for averaging 40 in Pakistan. What is so difficult to understand?
It is also worth noting that Pakistan vs India bilaterals in the 90s and 2000s were bigger than the Ashes and Pakistani/Indian conditions are much more alike than Australian/English conditions, so it is harder for Root to score in Australia than it was for Tendulkar to score in Pakistan.
This is what we call clutching at straws. You have run out of ammo to defend, justify and explain why Tendulkar failed to dominate Pakistan so now you have pivoted to series wins.
He wasn’t the catalyst for India winning in Pakistan in 2004. In fact, if it was for him, India would have lost because he scored a grand total of 1 runs in the third Test which was the decider.
Two years later, he returned to average 20 in Pakistan and pretended to squat like he was sitting on an Indian toilet when Asif clean bowled him. His signature move whenever he got clean bowled because he wanted to give the impression that the ball kept low, because he dare the god of batting get cleaned up. Too bad it never worked.
Tendulkar is as much of a failure/success in India as Root is in Australia.
Won't go into other points, but as you mentioned the condition of Indian and Pakistani playing conditions being similar is precisely the reason for Sachin's record in Pakistan not being as big a deal as Root's in Australia. We look at batsmen's record in different countries to see how adaptable they are. In case of Root his relative failure in Australia suggests a somewhat discomfory playing in bouncy conditions. In Sachin's case his good records in similar condition to Pakistan in India and Srinlanka cancels any such doubts.
If Root overtakes Tend, so be it. Good for him. Nobody is berating his performances. No wonder, the Pak team has been so useless the past decade and is on a downward slide.
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So You clearly don't care whether Sachin was 16 yr old in 1989 series, and not the best of form in 2004 and 2006 series (tennis elbow era) and see it as an excuse. That's an interesting perspective and honestly I respect it.
You are trying your best to prove Sachin failure in Pakistan is identical to Root failure in Australia which is simply not true.
1. Let's look at the stats:
Root in Australia (2013-2022)
Matches - 14
Runs - 892
HS - 89
Average - 35.68
100s - 0
Wins - 0
Losses - 12
Draws - 2
Now Sachin in Pakistan
Matches - 10
Runs - 483
HS - 194*
Average - 40.25
100s - 1
Wins - 2
Losses - 2
Draws - 6
Purely from statistics POV, Root has been bigger failure than Sachin cause of Root's lower batting average, bigger sample size which includes more Test matches and way more Test innings. Root is yet to win a test match in Australia and even in the 2 Drawn matches he averaged 28. While Sachin only played 10 matches in Pakistan(4 tests in 1989, 3 in 2004, 3 in 2006).
2. India-Pakistan Test series were never more iconic than Ashes. Ashes that came between 2004 and 2006 is more iconic than both of those India-Pakistan series combined, even from purely commercial POV.
India's Test series win in Pakistan (2004) is not amongst the Top 5 biggest achievement of Indian Test cricket in this century.
While Root winning a Test series in Australia would've easily been the biggest highlight of his Test career. Although rn he needs to worry about winning a match first.
3. Beyond stats, Root biggest failure as a batsman is he has already gotten PLENTY of opportunities to show why he's special by playing an iconic innings under pressure whether in winning or losing cause but he failed to do it everytime in Australia. In in all the 3 ashes series he played, 4th and 5th test were dead rubbers as Australia had already won the series . I still remember the 3rd Test match of 2017 Ashes, England had a great opportunity to draw a match and keep the series alive but Root who was usually scoring 50 failed to do it in that Test match.
Your point about Sachin playing in familiar conditions and slightly weaker attack than what Root faced was valid but it holds weak against the 3 points I raised above.
Root's in Australia has been a bigger failure.
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Root plays 5 tests at a time in Australia every few years and can't score runs there.
In the league of Jayawardene at best.
In the league of Jayawardene at best.
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Why would I care for such comical excuses. How is it Pakistan’s fault that he was too young or injured or in bad form? The fact is that the so-called god of batting was reduced to an average mortal in Pakistan.
And if you want to fish for excuses than you can find excuses for Root in Australia as well. He also toured Australia when he was very young or in the midst of poor form etc.
But at the end of the day it is not about excuses, it is about outcomes. Root has not performed in Australia and neither has Tendulkar in Pakistan.
If an Indian is going to play the Root in Australia card to downplay him then they will also have to accept the Tendulkar in Pakistan card. It works both ways.
@anikrc1 - this is precisely why Tendulkar failing in familiar conditions is a bigger deal because you would expect the so-called god of Test batting to dominate Pakistan on familiar wickets but he was clearly not good enough to do so.
Tendulkar would have been a nobody in history if other teams could bowl to him in Tests the way Pakistan bowled to him, so Pakistani fans will rub this in every time Indians try to move out of their lane.
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Tendulkar in Pakistan > Root in Australia
Tendulkar in Australia >> Root in Australia
Imagine if Root had to bat against the Australia Tendulkar faced. Or if he could face current day Pakistan.
22 is young but not quite 16 year old Young
in his international debut series.Anyway you wrote 3 Paragraphs against my posts about excuses which I agreed with you in the first place. While 3 points I made has nothing to do with the excuses
.I dislike notion of overhyping previous generation player as if they are incomparable to current generation of players. Sachin was amongst the greatest batsmen but he was no God. Personally, he was better than his peers like Lara, Ponting etc but they were pretty much in the same league. They all average around 51-57.
Root has done well so far in his career and if he can continue his great form and keep doing what he's been doing for past few years, then he has every chance of surpassing Sachin's legacy as test batter whether us Indian fans like it or not.
However it's highly unlikely that Root would be placed in Sachin league if he doesn't perform in Australia. There are lots of England-Australian fans who thinks Ashes is the pinnacle of Test cricket. Both Australian and England(marginally) are Top class test sides of this era.
While Indian fans hardly remember or care about his underwhelming performance in Pakistan in few Test matches he's played in a LONG career. They are already happy with his performance against Pakistan cause of his 3 MOM performance against them in World Cups. Wrt Pakistan, Sachin will be remembered by Indian fans as creator of Iconic World Cup streak which is still ongoing after 3 decades .
Same is not the case of Root. Root needs to deliver in Australia as it will hugely impact his Test legacy. I wish the best of luck to him. He's technically amongst the best batsmen going around.
Root has done well so far in his career and if he can continue his great form and keep doing what he's been doing for past few years, then he has every chance of surpassing Sachin's legacy as test batter whether us Indian fans like it or not.
However it's highly unlikely that Root would be placed in Sachin league if he doesn't perform in Australia. There are lots of England-Australian fans who thinks Ashes is the pinnacle of Test cricket. Both Australian and England(marginally) are Top class test sides of this era.
While Indian fans hardly remember or care about his underwhelming performance in Pakistan in few Test matches he's played in a LONG career. They are already happy with his performance against Pakistan cause of his 3 MOM performance against them in World Cups. Wrt Pakistan, Sachin will be remembered by Indian fans as creator of Iconic World Cup streak which is still ongoing after 3 decades
.Same is not the case of Root. Root needs to deliver in Australia as it will hugely impact his Test legacy. I wish the best of luck to him. He's technically amongst the best batsmen going around.
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Great form in the past few years, and averaging 39 in Aus/Ind/SA in 35 innings?
If he simply just repeats his great form in the next 3-4 years, where do you think he will be rated?
Top tier batsmen in great form do well in tough tours. If they struggle in one tour they score in another.
Interesting
So are you telling me Root's is not the Best Test batsmen right now.
If not him then you can tell who is the best batsmen rn?
Is it Smith?
Is it Kohli?
Or is it World no 2 ranked batsmen Kane Williamson with 829 points? Even though he's more than 100+ points behind no 1 ranked Root (932).
Look stats is not being be-all and end-all and I am a huge stats guy who loves analysing meaningful stats myself. From pic you've shown, Root has still been the best batsmen of England with most runs and average. England is ranked no 3 in Test cricket rn which is a huge improvement than what they were before 2020 and it wouldn't been possible without Root 2.0. At the end of the day, Root is competing with his peers only who are playing in his era.
The reality is if Root continues his great current form as World's no 1 ranked batsmen + surpass 16000 runs + rectify his record in Australia, he will be in the same league as Sachin as Test batter at worst.
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I did not say anything about the current best batsman. I am simply saying that if even top form is simply not good enough for Root to score runs in tough tours then it's hard to be rated among the best in history. You could be best batsman for brief period due to others not doing that well, but hardly means that you are among the top tier in entire history.
Volume hardly means top tier. Anderson was not rated top tier despite having most wickets among all pacers. You need to perform in tough tours and if you fail to do it in even in your best form then volume is not going to help you get rated. You are focusing too much on volume, Jayawardene had aorund 12K runs.
How much does Kohli average in tests in Bangladesh?@Mamoon,
Mathematics will cry after reading,
Average of 35 with 0 tons in 14 tests = Average of 40 with 1 ton in 10 tests.( 1 series coming at age of 16 as debut series)
Also Root averages 23 in Bangladesh lol
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I don't know. Check the statsguru database and tell me.
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Also Root averages 23 in Bangladesh lol
Root only played 2 Tests in BD if I remember correctly. Both were spin-friendly pitches.
Root hasn't played enough against BD.
Anyway, you can cherry-pick stats all you want but Root is looking good to surpass Tendulkar. Your attempt to besmirch Root is laughable.
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Bhai, what do you want me to do when the other poster is hell bent arguing that,
Average of 35 with 0 tons in 14 tests = Average of 40 with 1 ton in 10 tests.( 1 series coming at age of 16 as debut series)
Obviously, me mentioning BD stats is nothing in front of the other poster arguing how Tendulkar is as much a failure in Pakistan as Root is in Australia.
What about you and other posters attempt to besmirch Root?
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Where did I besmirch Root? I am a fan of Joe Root.
I don't think I have ever criticized Root here.
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@Mamoon,
Mathematics will cry after reading,
Average of 35 with 0 tons in 14 tests = Average of 40 with 1 ton in 10 tests.( 1 series coming at age of 16 as debut series)
Also Root averages 23 in Bangladesh lol
A single Sachin innings in Pakistan = 194* is greater than all of Root's Australian innings combined.
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Average of 40 in 10 Tests with a 194* shows that he has been a complete failure in the other 9 Tests. Average of 40 is not much better than an average of 35 when you are supposedly a batting god and playing in familiar conditions.
he also averages 29 vs Ireland at home, which shows that he scores against quality opposition. Tendulkar did a lot of cheap stat padding vs Bangladesh.Also Root averages 23 in Bangladesh lol
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Who asked India to pick him at 16 for Pakistan tour? They should have realized that there is a huge difference between rubbish Indian pacers and Imran, Wasim etc. It is not Pakistan’s problem that Tendulkar wetted his nappy.22 is young but not quite 16 year old Young
Anyway you wrote 3 Paragraphs against my posts about excuses which I agreed with you in the first place. While 3 points I made has nothing to do with the excuses
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Root is the worst batsman ever, which means that when he surpasses the Indian batting god, it will burn Indian fans even more. Let’s hope no televisions are broken and no suicides take place.
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He will certainly surpass Tendulkar/Ponting/Lara/Kallis/Sangakkara, but no TVs will be broken as real cricket fans will subconsciously discount these nothing innings played on pitches that even the PCB will publicly disown.
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I hope the anti-itch creams are delivered before Root goes past Tendulkar.
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99% he won't anyway. England are incapable of producing batsman who end up with averages of 50+ or bowlers with averages of 25-.
If anybody can surpass Sachin/Ponting/Lara/Kallis/Sangakkara, it is somebody who is much more proven across conditions - Steve Smith.
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Root's record against OZ in OZ will always be held against him even by some English fans since the Ashes rivalry is the primary lens through which English cricketers are judged.
Let's hope he can finally overcome his weakness against bounce and finally score a ton in Australia the next time he tours
Let's hope he can finally overcome his weakness against bounce and finally score a ton in Australia the next time he tours
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If it drops below 50, his ATG status will just as questionable as Anderson's (average above 25)
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But all that is for real cricketing nations. All Root needs is a home series win against Australia to get a knighthood and a future career in the Sky comm box.
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To be fair, Root does look like he can sustain that 50 + average unlike most English cricketers who always fall short.
Time will tell of course but so far so good
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Thought the same about Cook, KP, Trott Prior. All fell short.
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Yeah but those guys were in decline even before Root's current age.
Root is sustaining his peak at an age when most English batters were either done or rapidly hurtling towards the end.
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Yep, let's wait and watch. He will have another few 5 test series vs Australia and India home and away and those are the real tests.
If he does surpass Tendulkar or anybody else, well done to him. Though it will only be in one format, Indians shouldn't begrudge him the success.
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No, He has one ton when Bumrah played, but Root mostly goes missing when gun pacers are playing in their den.
Root has played 50 innings against Steyn, Rabada,Bumrah, Cummins and Johsnon - has just 2 tons with avg of 39 when any one of them played.
His peers against the same set of bowlers with Anderson playing in Eng.
Smith - Avg 49 with 6 tons
Kohli - Avg 44 with 8 tons.
kane, who has struggled to score big away aginst good teams. Even Kane has 3 tons against these bowlers.
Hopefully, Root scores 2-3 tons in Aus in next series to catch up with his peers. It's unlikely because despite great form in the last 5 years and great conversion rate, he has averaged in 30s in Aus/Ind/SA with not many tons. Next Ashes will be the final oppurtunity for Root and he can do it by scoring 2-3 tons.
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Averaging 40 in familiar conditions but 50+ in alien conditions shows that Tendulkar mastered scoring in tough alien environments much more than Root who failed to make a significant mark in tough alien conditions like Australia and Bangladesh. It is the same Bangladesh that humiliated Pakistan in their backyard 0-2, a rare instance where a home team gets whitewashed vs Bangladesh.
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The fact Root has more Test centuries in winning causes means he is levels above Tendulkar.
The captaincy of England cost him runs for sure, otherwise Root would probably need about 1000 runs or less to break the record.
Alas! The Indian propaganda has started for sure. This thread, and in particular because Root was out below 50 today, meant Sachinistas could breathe again (momentarily) so they could reignite the Indian propaganda against Root.
If an Indian cricket fan says they do not care about Tendulkar or his records - then they are lying through the skin of their teeth.
The captaincy of England cost him runs for sure, otherwise Root would probably need about 1000 runs or less to break the record.
Alas! The Indian propaganda has started for sure. This thread, and in particular because Root was out below 50 today, meant Sachinistas could breathe again (momentarily) so they could reignite the Indian propaganda against Root.
If an Indian cricket fan says they do not care about Tendulkar or his records - then they are lying through the skin of their teeth.
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Average of 39 is pretty good against the greatest pace bowlers of his era. He has just 2 x tons because he went through a long phase where he was struggling to convert 50s to 100s. It just goes to show how consistent he is.
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39 is not horrible or anything like that, but his struggle to convert 50s to 100s has not changed in Aus/SA/Ind.
He has played 35 innings in SA/Aus/Ind with 2 tons in the last 5 years. His average in SA/Ind/SA has been 39 as well in the last 5 years.
Here are his scores in these 3 venues in the last 5 years when he has tunerd the corner when it comes to conversion.
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0
2
5
5
6
7
11
11
16
17
18
19
24
24
26
27
28
29
29
30
33
34
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40
48
50
58
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61
62
84
89
122
218
This is 35 inning total in in last 5 years in SA/Aus/Ind.
Hopefully he gets 1-2 heavy scoring series in SA, Aus, Ind in future. Smith, Kohli both from the same generation and have many ATG away series and some great series in SA, Aus, Ind and Eng. Root has none so far. Nest series in Aus may be a good time to get 2-3 tons to rectify it.
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I personally believe Root is a bigger matchwinner than Tendulkar.
I also believe Root can become the 2nd best batter of all time (only after Bradman) when he retires.
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Easy to prove. Ask Sachinistas to name 3 Tendulkar innings and the best you will get is Desert-storm and WC2003 vs Shoaib Akthar. The rest they have to Google, or rather forget since mostly likely the innings was in a losing cause.
That's it in a career spanning 22 years.
Tendulkar is easily one of the most overrated batsmen in the history of the game.
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He averages 14.75 in Bangladesh
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I knew the coping mechanism Jamaat lobby would not be answering to above post!
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So, what’s the point?
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Joe Root deserves nothing but respect for his achievements in test cricket. He has been a consistent performer for England, and have scored against the best bowling attacks in the world. If he does surpass Tendulkar's record, then we should all respect him as the ATG player in this format of the game just like we all respect Tendulkar for being the ATG player in all formats of this great game of cricket.
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So as per you and the purpose of the original thread -
* there is a massive Indian propoganda machine out to prevent Joe Root from breaking SRT records
-Kindly enlighten at what exactly what point did this machine start to turn its wheels? ie When Joe completed 6k/7k/8/9k/10k etc runs?
* hence against which other players is indian propoganda trying to 'PREVENT' others from breaking any records that indians hold?
- and at what points?
*If Joe Root plays against SAF/Sl/Aus/Wi/venezuela/Nigeria/Saudia/North Korea/Jhandutalaiya XI, both home and overseas,
How EXACTLY is the afore said and omnipresent 'indian propoganda machine' conniving to ensure that he does not break Sachin's ancient records?
EXACTLY HOW?
* So as per you if Joe root breaks the record, Indian propoganda is defeated/broken/smashed
* So as per you if Joe Root does not break the record, Indian propoganda was successful/achieved its objetive/cheated?
Just to put the disclaimer- am Indian but not a 'sachinsta' as you have graced your post with, and if 'Sachinistas' exist -
Would'nt you/the OP/the whole lobby crying bricks as if ants got into their pants here qualify as 'Rootanistas/Rootminions/Rootomatons/Rootomaniacs/Rootatomanadenge/RootoWhaadaplayahh/RootonFayaah/RootoWhatacamacaalit - take your pick
Hilarious that the sole purpose and responsibility of defeating the 'Indian propoganda' machine lies on the shoulders of an Englishman with the saazish sultans here fanning the coping mechanism flames to have a full nights sleep, rinse repeat and back again to bag us.
Like i said in my above post - no one has given any quantifiable/empirical/calculatable/measurable of this 'propoganda machine ' works , even giving them the choice of any player/nation/situation/format/series/context.
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Too many useless back and forth on this thread.
Pakistanis have their agenda because SRT is Indian and Indians going all out to defend. Indians and Pakistanis will never agree with each other.
If Root breaks SRTs record then he has to be considered one of the goat bats of all time regardless of him getting easy runs in places like Pakistan.
SRT's legacy is sealed, whether Root breaks his record or not. SRT is the only batsmen that gets compared with Bradman no one else.. Whether Root takes the record or not SRT will always the king, even Eng fans would agree to this like the old saying goes: there maybe plenty of fish in the sea but it will always be empty without SRT...
Pakistanis have their agenda because SRT is Indian and Indians going all out to defend. Indians and Pakistanis will never agree with each other.
If Root breaks SRTs record then he has to be considered one of the goat bats of all time regardless of him getting easy runs in places like Pakistan.
SRT's legacy is sealed, whether Root breaks his record or not. SRT is the only batsmen that gets compared with Bradman no one else.. Whether Root takes the record or not SRT will always the king, even Eng fans would agree to this like the old saying goes: there maybe plenty of fish in the sea but it will always be empty without SRT...
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Joe Root has earned his reputation. He was not given or awarded that reputation for free, he worked hard for it.
He might have low scores on some grounds but no one can put his legacy in danger.
He might have low scores on some grounds but no one can put his legacy in danger.
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You can't claim we don't care about Sachin as Sachin is hisnown brand yet rush on waves and waves adhering to this thread as if their life is on the line.
If Sachin is his own brand and Indians don't care, let Sachin defend himself, he doesn't need mindless goons who he doesn't even know exist to rally for him.
If root surpasses Sachin in runs playing lesser amounts of games, then he surpasses Sachin in runs plain and simple.
Their are no ifs, buts, or any contention or calculus argument against it.
As for this whole stat pad thing, it applies to Sachin.
Sachin has massively inflated his run tally, Avg and century list by bangaldesh and sri Lankan exploits.
I repeat Their is no player in history who has not stat padded, every player has a minnow team or a favourite team that they have lobed to butcher.
Sachin is no different, cut out those exploits, and you're missing 10 centuries and 2000 runs for Sachin lol.
If Sachin is his own brand and Indians don't care, let Sachin defend himself, he doesn't need mindless goons who he doesn't even know exist to rally for him.
If root surpasses Sachin in runs playing lesser amounts of games, then he surpasses Sachin in runs plain and simple.
Their are no ifs, buts, or any contention or calculus argument against it.
As for this whole stat pad thing, it applies to Sachin.
Sachin has massively inflated his run tally, Avg and century list by bangaldesh and sri Lankan exploits.
I repeat Their is no player in history who has not stat padded, every player has a minnow team or a favourite team that they have lobed to butcher.
Sachin is no different, cut out those exploits, and you're missing 10 centuries and 2000 runs for Sachin lol.
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An avg of 35 in Aus is not a bad one whilst it's not great still better than Ponting at 26 in India...
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Whether Root will surpass Tendulkar or not we don’t know but what we know is that he is better than the overrated Australian batsman who averages a laughable 26 in India and 41 in England. He enjoyed the flattest decks and easiest bowling attacks compared to Tendulkar and Root both but still produced worse figures than both.
