[PICTURES] Is Joe Root’s reputation in danger due to Indian propaganda?

[shaz619]

Don’t think his reputation is in danger because he’s already a much better player than Sachin and the British Raj media machine will protect his legacy.

If Root didn’t captain I think he’d be a lot closer to the record right now. He has already taken more wickets then Sachin and is a better bowler then him, there’s a good chance he could hit the 100 wickets milestone as well!

 

[Unleashed]

Can't believe Indian fans still take this very obvious and lame bait.

Ofcourse it's a WUM thread. That's why it's so funny.

 

[mb3407]

Ofcourse it's a WUM thread. That's why it's so funny.

With the performance of Pakistan team, these are the only things that may help them sleep better at night

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He wasn't close to Tendulkar record was he?

I've interacted with many Sachin fanatics. They are a different breed. It will be good for him to remain vigilant.

I'm talking about a specific scenario where he may face danger not overall.

For example Aussie players travel to India without issue but when they won the WC final they faced threats towards their families including their young kids.

You mean online threats? Many Aussies were playing a T20 series in India right after that .

And Cummins, Starc and Head came back within a few months for the IPL.

 

[anikrc1]

There's a misconception going around the partiality of Indian fans. I will argue that in fact Australian fans are much more partial. Take the biggest two comparisons from Tendulkar era. Lara Tendulkar and Warne Murali. If you ask 100 Indian cricket fans at least 15-20 will say that Lara was better including me. On the other hand I doubt you can find even one Australian cricket fan who is not ethnically Asian who will say that Murali was better, this despite most statistics favoring Sachin over Lara and almost no statistics favoring Warne over Murali. Ashwin has many of the better records that @Mamoon points to like high number of mots and motm , better average than Warne. But no Indian will ever say Ashwin is better than Warne. All in all suffice to say it's a rubbish propaganda against Indian fans. Are Indian fans more likely to favor their own while comparing comparable players? yes. But no more than fans of othet countries. How many Pakistanis will agree that Hadlee was a better bowler than Imran? I am willing to bet that percentage will be the same or lowers as the percentage of Indian fans agreeing Lara was better than Sachin.

 

[Hitman]

I just find it funny that random Pakistani fans believe that the opinion of random nobodies, that too from Pakistan matters to what the cricketing fraternity believes and considers. It's much like how the same random nobodies from Pakistan deluded themselves in the 90's trying to convince themselves that Inzamam was the best batsman in the world.

 

[Josh]

Joe Root's reputation should be least of concern at the moment for the current PCT and Babar fans right now.

 

[Unleashed]

With the performance of Pakistan team, these are the only things that may help them sleep better at night

Coping mechanism this is. The last few months has been tough af for them with India winning a major trophy and test matches trashing

Tbf, Joe Root is by far the best test batsman right now. Seems like a good bloke as well.

 

[Hitman]

Joe Root's reputation should be least of concern at the moment for the current PCT and Babar fans right now.

When you have nothing to celebrate about your team, you try to salivate thinking about the pleasure you'll derive from someone else's misery (Root going past Tendulkar) which they believe will take place

 

[Vikram1989]

Joe Root has been to India on many tours - 4 Test tours in fact. What threats to his life were seen in that time ?

Bumrah was bullying him by targeting his toes and body .is it not life threatening ?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

That is the Indian delusion. He is most certainly not in a different galaxy. This opinion will not be allowed to hold on a Pakistani cricket forum especially when Tendulkar was bang average vs Pakistan in Test cricket.

Root is equal to Sachin if not better in a lot of aspects of batting.

Its your delusion, racist rants against Indians won’t change Roots stats.

Root averages 41 against top 4 teams of his era in their own den, Sachin averages 52, its a big difference.

Sachin is ahead both on quantity and quality.

Btw Rahul Dravid is also ahead and Gavaskar again is in a different galaxy.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Tendulkar averaged 42 vs Pakistan in Test cricket. That’s rubbish for a so-called god of batting. Why would Pakistani fans be traumatized?

Pakistan reduced Tendulkar to a Rahane/Pujara level batsman.

Thats better than Joe Roots average against top 4 countries away from home.

Even Sachins lowest is better than Root
.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

BtW, British Pakistanis should be more concerned about whether they will have a home in England after two years instead of waiting for their adopted nation to finally achieve something in cricket despite being its inventor.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

This has to be the delusion of the highest order to compare Root to the likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Richards, Ponting. They faced champion attacks majority of the time.

Whilst I'm not taking anything away from Joe, but he's fed on shocking Test attacks in this era bar the Indian and Australia attack whom he's struggled against.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

BtW, British Pakistanis should be more concerned about whether they will have a home in England after two years instead of waiting for their adopted nation to finally achieve something in cricket despite being its inventor.

Not at all. How about you showing concerns to the millions who live in slums throughout india

 

[just a fan]

We all know that barring unforeseen circumstances, Joe Root will surpass Sachin Tendulkar as the leading run scorer in Test cricket.

This seemed fairly unthinkable only 4 years ago because Joe Root was in the middle of a career slump and lagging behind Steve Smith and Virat Kohli, let alone Sachin Tendulkar.

However, in January 2021, Joe Root flicked a switch in Sri Lanka and since then, he has been an unstoppable force in this format and 3.5 years later, not only as he left Virat Kohli in his dust, he is almost certain to soar past Sachin Tendulkar as well.

We all know how protective and sensitive Indian fans are when it comes to Sachin Tendulkar. For billions of Indian fans, any comparison of Sachin Tendulkar with any batsman has almost been viewed as blasphemy.

Sachin Tendulkar’s legacy as the leading run scorer and century maker is a matter of immense pride for Indian fans. It is as if they have monopolized batting records and only an Indian batsmen is worthy enough to have the baton.

For very long, they were under the impression that like in ODIs, if there is one batsman who could, would and should surpass the Little Master, it will be their new King, Virat Kohli.

However, Joe Root’s rise was not part of the script and not something that they were prepared for.

As a result, in the coming years, I can foresee a collective media (social & mainstream) campaign to discredit Joe Root and sell the narrative that he might overtake Sachin Tendulkar in terms of runs, he will never compare him to him in terms of quality of batting.

We the non-Indian stakeholders in cricket must ensure that we protect Joe Root from the fangs of Indians who will leave no stone unturned to manufacture situations, stats and contexts to make Joe Root look like a lesser batsman.

For example, they would fixate on his record in Australia even though, his record in Australia is hardly worse than Sachin Tendulkar’s record in Pakistan, and the quality of attack that he has faced in Australia is very much comparable to the quality of attack that Tendulkar couldn’t dominate in Pakistan.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Joe Root is one of the greatest Test batsmen we have ever seen. We are proud to witness a legendary Test batsman at the peak of his powers in an era where there is an over-consumption of T20 cricket.

There is no doubt whatsover that he would have been a phenomenal Test batsman in an era because his technique, skill and temperament are timeless.

Joe Root’s reputation will be in danger due to Indian propaganda because with billions of more fans than all other cricket nations put together, Indian fans and Indian media hold the ultimate power when it comes to shaping narratives. Their beliefs and their convictions become the ultimate source of truth.

This is how a bang average cricketer like M.S. Dhoni became one of the all-time greats and the benchmark for WK in post-Gilchrist era even though you will find better WK batsmen than him in all Test nations.

This is how Jasprit Bumrah has somehow entered the GOAT conversation even though they are several active fast bowlers who are as good as him.

Joe Root will be targeted over the coming years and we the non-Indian stakeholders in cricket have a responsibility towards him and towards English cricket to ensure that when he surpasses Sachin Tendulkar, he gets his due credit and the Indian voices who attempt to make him look a lesssr batsman in comparison are muffled.

TLDR

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Bumrah pole-vaulted himself into the GOAT conversation, it has nothing to do with indian fans.

Even a crusty pom like Bumble believes Bumrah has long surpassed Mcgrath.

Bumrah better than McGrath is comedy Gold at its best

 

[Technics 1210]

Sachinistas desperately trying to deflect the impending truth!

Pakistan's performance is neither here nor there, the talk of Root busting Tendulkar's record has been in the works for a few years now, and yesterday Root edged closer and Sachinistas are bricking it.

Root breaking Tendulkar's record is one thing, but if Root breaks the record when playing Pakistan in the future, then oh boy, what an end to Tendulkar's statistical - yet another bumbling at the hands of Pakistan, directly, or indirectly.

 

[anikrc1]

Off topic, but quick question have you ever seen an Australian of non asian ethnicity who rates Murali more than Warne?

 

[mominsaigol]

Don't you like Shaz? Can you check his post.

You are a racist and so is that POS.

I don't give a damn about what you think.

The point was you lot started it first. Now you have reactivated me in every thread, you Chawal pouf.

Go run away like you did in the final 2 hrs before the game even concluded. . I laugh at the indian students who get deported from aus 24/7.

Hilarious that an economy that claims to be the 5th greatest has the 2nd most no of immigrants situated in UK, Aus, USA and many other countries world wide .

Yall love beefing from a country that can't import it

 

[mominsaigol]

Off topic, but quick question have you ever seen an Australian of non asian ethnicity who rates Murali more than Warne?

Aussies don't even care about cricket like you all Internet Mafia's do. Nor do Indians irl, or anyone else. Have the conversations are match topics while drinking in the pub. That's it.

That's why I find it hilarious that Indians feel the need to educate me about aussie culture and how aussie fans behave. Like do you all seriously think people behave like this irl in an economy like Australia? Half the people would have been arrested by now .

The general answer it depends, just like all human opinions are different, Australians cannot be classified into one bracket. O e aussie will say something else, another will say something else.

This delusion that @Devadwal has created saying no Aussie would rate root > Smith as if he runs an aussie election is hilarious.

Human opinions are extremly varied irl, this isn't India where everyone is a flock and a hivemind

 

[Technics 1210]

Who can forget the propaganda spewed by the Indian media when Sachin was going for his 100th 100? Or when Sachin was close on breaking Lara's test run record? Or 200 Test matches? When Sachin was breaking records, these Sachinistas never said a word about the Indian media, but now the boot is on the other foot, the rest of the world should turn a blind eye.

The entire cricketing world - barring India - will now support Root in breaking Tendulkar's record - and all of India better be prepared!

I am so glad Sachin will be alive to see his records broken, he will realise, despite all those runs he scored, through selfish batting and stats padding, he will not have a single record to show for it.

Tsk tsk.

 

[anikrc1]

Aussies don't even care about cricket like you all Internet Mafia's do. Nor do Indians irl, or anyone else. Have the conversations are match topics while drinking in the pub. That's it.

That's why I find it hilarious that Indians feel the need to educate me about aussie culture and how aussie fans behave. Like do you all seriously think people behave like this irl in an economy like Australia? Half the people would have been arrested by now .

The general answer it depends, just like all human opinions are different, Australians cannot be classified into one bracket. O e aussie will say something else, another will say something else.

This delusion that @Devadwal has created saying no Aussie would rate root > Smith as if he runs an aussie election is hilarious.

Human opinions are extremly varied irl, this isn't India where everyone is a flock and a hivemind

What does economy have to do with it? In online cricket forums I have never seen an Aussie rating Murali more than Warne.

 

[atreus]

On topic, Tendulkar is in a different galaxy when compared with Root.

Root first needs to surpass Dravid, then Gavaskar and then he can reach any close to Sachin.

(Tendulkar>Root tho)

 

[mominsaigol]

What does economy have to do with it? In online cricket forums I have never seen an Aussie rating Murali more than Warne.

2 Problems with your argument.

No 1: It's called perspective bias, just cause you haven't visually seen something doesn't make it objective.

No 2: Can you actually prove their aussies to begin with? Don't adhere to whatever someone says online, they can be any wannabe behind the screen, which is what I'm suspecting about some of the people here. How is it possible that grown adults 10 to 20 years older then me, behave like hooligan and have so much free time to watch 5 day test matches on weekdays ball by ball and majority are Indian posters or claim to be.

Regardless, Warne > Murli for me, but In an argument I'd have to rate murli >. No doubt, not many arguments for Warne beyond favouritism and variation.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Stats never lie, let them do whatever they want, Joe Root's stats will speak louder

 

[Mesozoic]

New Abbu revealed

Joe Root

Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Jayasuriya, Cook , Sangakara, Steve Smith etc have all failed their father duties..

Let's see how Root goes.

 

[Unleashed]

Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Jayasuriya, Cook , Sangakara, Steve Smith etc have all failed their father duties..

Let's see how Root goes.

These guys are more sold out than anyother

 

[JustAnObserver]

Joe has already surpassed Tendulkar, if he breaks the record it will just be the cherry on top.

Wow .... One more thread with the usual cheap attempt to clickbait a section of forum members.

FWIW - Records such as the "Most Runs Scored" type classification will surely be broken but maybe not as frequently as PCT breaks dubious records when it gets thrashed repeatedly at its home by Foreign teams. So let all the Good Records be broken.

Joe Root's Gaping Hole in Australia against Australia - Until October 2024.
The biggest gaping hole for Joe Root is that even though he has played 14 test matches in Australia since the year 2013 - his Test Batting Average in Australia is only 35.7 runs and he is yet to score one test century in Australia. Maybe some cricket expert can explain the reason behind this specific weakness in his batting history, more so because he must like the true bouncy, less seaming but fast pitches of Australia.

Comparison of Test Batting Score Average of Joe Root Against Australia in Australia
- lags by 17 points against both Virat Kohli (played 13 matches) & Sachin (played 20 matches).
- lags by 13 points below Alistair Cook (played 20 matches) & 10 points below Kevin Pietersen (played 15 matches).
- lags by 7 points below Kane Williamson's (Played 5 matches)
- lags by 12 points below Jacques De Kallis (played 15 matches) & nearly 10 points below AB De Villiers (played 9 matches).
But this specific average pales against Kumar Sangakkara & Faff Du Plessis who both have also played 5 matches.

Joe Root is quite similar to Tendulkar in that they both can bowl, bat well and have captained badly in test matches. Unless Joe Root scores at least 1 century in Australia, it will look stupid to hint that he has already surpassed many of the past cricketing greats.

I fervently wish that Joe Root scores a fantastic first hundred against Australia in Australia in the next Ashes Test series starting November 2025.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

DeFiNe CrIcKeTiNg InDiaN PrOpAgAnDa -

- using Ur choice of teams, series, formats, players, context, records, situations

- with Analytical, Empirical, quantifiable, measurable, calculatable examples with sources.

AND

- Please also explain how different it is

FROM

UR Choice of any other team/teams.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

.....When coping mechanism goes into overdrive.....

 

[atreus]

This has to be the delusion of the highest order to compare Root to the likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Richards, Ponting. They faced champion attacks majority of the time.

Whilst I'm not taking anything away from Joe, but he's fed on shocking Test attacks in this era bar the Indian and Australia attack whom he's struggled against.

Root has 10 hundreds against India at 58 avg, that's not really struggle.

Last I checked, Punter is not only not even in the league with the other three you mentioned, but also, Root is a superior Batsmen to Ponting, simply based on Eras and the batting order they batted in.

Its your delusion, racist rants against Indians won’t change Roots stats.

Root averages 41 against top 4 teams of his era in their own den, Sachin averages 52, its a big difference.

Sachin is ahead both on quantity and quality.

Btw Rahul Dravid is also ahead and Gavaskar again is in a different galaxy.

Really isn't, Dravid loses out against Root on pure stats, less gears to his game, about the same average as Root while Dravid batted in the 2000s highway era while Root in statistically the hardest once since the Second world war, Dravid has great struggles in three nations (Aus/SA/SL) compared to one of Root (Australia).

Dravid never had a period where he was the best Batsmen in the world without a room for argument while Root has had that title since 2021's January.

there is frankly no argument for Root<Dravid, Gavaskar is more interesting, he is ahead for now but if Root performs against Australia next year, I might change that.

Tendulkar is someone Root will almost certainly never reach.

 

[FearlessRoar]

The most fittest player

Joe Root has not missed a single England Test due to injury

2014 Sydney (Dropped)
2020 Southampton (Birth of child)

 

[Mamoon]

Wow .... One more thread with the usual cheap attempt to clickbait a section of forum members.

FWIW - Records such as the "Most Runs Scored" type classification will surely be broken but maybe not as frequently as PCT breaks dubious records when it gets thrashed repeatedly at its home by Foreign teams. So let all the Good Records be broken.

Joe Root's Gaping Hole in Australia against Australia - Until October 2024.
The biggest gaping hole for Joe Root is that even though he has played 14 test matches in Australia since the year 2013 - his Test Batting Average in Australia is only 35.7 runs and he is yet to score one test century in Australia. Maybe some cricket expert can explain the reason behind this specific weakness in his batting history, more so because he must like the true bouncy, less seaming but fast pitches of Australia.

Comparison of Test Batting Score Average of Joe Root Against Australia in Australia
- lags by 17 points against both Virat Kohli (played 13 matches) & Sachin (played 20 matches).
- lags by 13 points below Alistair Cook (played 20 matches) & 10 points below Kevin Pietersen (played 15 matches).
- lags by 7 points below Kane Williamson's (Played 5 matches)
- lags by 12 points below Jacques De Kallis (played 15 matches) & nearly 10 points below AB De Villiers (played 9 matches).
But this specific average pales against Kumar Sangakkara & Faff Du Plessis who both have also played 5 matches.

Joe Root is quite similar to Tendulkar in that they both can bowl, bat well and have captained badly in test matches. Unless Joe Root scores at least 1 century in Australia, it will look stupid to hint that he has already surpassed many of the past cricketing greats.

I fervently wish that Joe Root scores a fantastic first hundred against Australia in Australia in the next Ashes Test series starting November 2025.

The “gaping hole” in Joe Root’s Test record in Australia is as big as the one in Sachin Tendulkar’s Test record vs Pakistan.

He was nothing more than a decent Test batsman vs Pakistan so there is no reason for Pakistani fans to be in awe of him. We have seen far better batsmen play vs Pakistan include Joe Root himself.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

We all know that barring unforeseen circumstances, Joe Root will surpass Sachin Tendulkar as the leading run scorer in Test cricket.

This seemed fairly unthinkable only 4 years ago because Joe Root was in the middle of a career slump and lagging behind Steve Smith and Virat Kohli, let alone Sachin Tendulkar.

However, in January 2021, Joe Root flicked a switch in Sri Lanka and since then, he has been an unstoppable force in this format and 3.5 years later, not only as he left Virat Kohli in his dust, he is almost certain to soar past Sachin Tendulkar as well.

We all know how protective and sensitive Indian fans are when it comes to Sachin Tendulkar. For billions of Indian fans, any comparison of Sachin Tendulkar with any batsman has almost been viewed as blasphemy.

Sachin Tendulkar’s legacy as the leading run scorer and century maker is a matter of immense pride for Indian fans. It is as if they have monopolized batting records and only an Indian batsmen is worthy enough to have the baton.

For very long, they were under the impression that like in ODIs, if there is one batsman who could, would and should surpass the Little Master, it will be their new King, Virat Kohli.

However, Joe Root’s rise was not part of the script and not something that they were prepared for.

As a result, in the coming years, I can foresee a collective media (social & mainstream) campaign to discredit Joe Root and sell the narrative that he might overtake Sachin Tendulkar in terms of runs, he will never compare him to him in terms of quality of batting.

We the non-Indian stakeholders in cricket must ensure that we protect Joe Root from the fangs of Indians who will leave no stone unturned to manufacture situations, stats and contexts to make Joe Root look like a lesser batsman.

For example, they would fixate on his record in Australia even though, his record in Australia is hardly worse than Sachin Tendulkar’s record in Pakistan, and the quality of attack that he has faced in Australia is very much comparable to the quality of attack that Tendulkar couldn’t dominate in Pakistan.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Joe Root is one of the greatest Test batsmen we have ever seen. We are proud to witness a legendary Test batsman at the peak of his powers in an era where there is an over-consumption of T20 cricket.

There is no doubt whatsover that he would have been a phenomenal Test batsman in an era because his technique, skill and temperament are timeless.

Joe Root’s reputation will be in danger due to Indian propaganda because with billions of more fans than all other cricket nations put together, Indian fans and Indian media hold the ultimate power when it comes to shaping narratives. Their beliefs and their convictions become the ultimate source of truth.

This is how a bang average cricketer like M.S. Dhoni became one of the all-time greats and the benchmark for WK in post-Gilchrist era even though you will find better WK batsmen than him in all Test nations.

This is how Jasprit Bumrah has somehow entered the GOAT conversation even though they are several active fast bowlers who are as good as him.

Joe Root will be targeted over the coming years and we the non-Indian stakeholders in cricket have a responsibility towards him and towards English cricket to ensure that when he surpasses Sachin Tendulkar, he gets his due credit and the Indian voices who attempt to make him look a lesssr batsman in comparison are muffled.

The whole reputation of Pakistan Cricket is currently in Tatters. Greed by Babar Azam and Company has tarnished the legacy yet somehow you are worried about Joe Root? Amazing.

 

[atreus]

Career Black Holes

Root – Averages 35 in Australia

Sangakkara – Averages 36 in India, 35 in South Africa and 34 in the West Indies.

Dravid – 41 in Australia (by bullying a Australia B attack on flat decks), 29 in South Africa and 33 in Sri Lanka.

Ponting – Averages 26 in India

Lara – Averages 33 in India and 36 in Newzealand.

Kallis – Averages 35 in England and 35 in Sri Lanka

Hmmmmm, looks like people are being a little too hard over the Australia stats of Root

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Root has 10 hundreds against India at 58 avg, that's not really struggle.

Last I checked, Punter is not only not even in the league with the other three you mentioned, but also, Root is a superior Batsmen to Ponting, simply based on Eras and the batting order they batted in.


Really isn't, Dravid loses out against Root on pure stats, less gears to his game, about the same average as Root while Dravid batted in the 2000s highway era while Root in statistically the hardest once since the Second world war, Dravid has great struggles in three nations (Aus/SA/SL) compared to one of Root (Australia).

Dravid never had a period where he was the best Batsmen in the world without a room for argument while Root has had that title since 2021's January.

there is frankly no argument for Root<Dravid, Gavaskar is more interesting, he is ahead for now but if Root performs against Australia next year, I might change that.

Tendulkar is someone Root will almost certainly never reach.

Ponting played in era of champion bowlers.

Same can't be said of the current attacks root he's feasting on, bar India's or Australias

 

[Mamoon]

The whole reputation of Pakistan Cricket is currently in Tatters. Greed by Babar Azam and Company has tarnished the legacy yet somehow you are worried about Joe Root? Amazing.

Pakistan cricket is in a bad moment, but this too shall pass. All teams have gone through similar periods in their history. I’m sure you are old enough to remember what the reputation of England cricket was in the late 90s and early 2000s.

Pakistan cricket will have good period and bad periods in the future because this is how it is, but Root overtaking Tendulkar will be a constant forever.

 

[atreus]

Ponting played in era of champion bowlers.

Same can't be said of the current attacks he's feasting on, bar India's or Australias

Ponting until 2002 was a 44 averaging Batsmen who was very good but nothing amazing

his prime was 2002-2006 where he averaged 76, what were the good attacks during that time? Newzealand had Bond who injured 3/4 of the times, Ambrose and Walsh were gone, Wasim and Waqar were gone, Pollock had regressed and Ntini frankly wasn't anything special, India didn't have any pacer and he sucked against them in India anyway. The only true ATG pacer that was around was... Glenn McGrath, who Ponting didn't face in his prime at all.

Root has faced better bowlers than Ponting, or atleast performed against better ones, on much tougher pitches, and he didn't have the luxury of Hayden and Langer eliminating the best bowlers for him.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Joe Root is on the verge of becoming a Top 75 level international cricketer all time.

I don’t see why Bharatiyas who mostly admire Root would have any issue with him getting to that level.

Tendulkar is a solid contender for GOAT and at worst a definite Top 3. There is no comparison.

 

[guard]

With the performance of Pakistan team, these are the only things that may help them sleep better at night

Whats with your username.??!
Is it the derogatory term that term inds use against Pakistanis?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Ponting until 2002 was a 44 averaging Batsmen who was very good but nothing amazing

his prime was 2002-2006 where he averaged 76, what were the good attacks during that time? Newzealand had Bond who injured 3/4 of the times, Ambrose and Walsh were gone, Wasim and Waqar were gone, Pollock had regressed and Ntini frankly wasn't anything special, India didn't have any pacer and he sucked against them in India anyway. The only true ATG pacer that was around was... Glenn McGrath, who Ponting didn't face in his prime at all.

Root has faced better bowlers than Ponting, or atleast performed against better ones, on much tougher pitches, and he didn't have the luxury of Hayden and Langer eliminating the best bowlers for him.

Throughout Ponting career he faced better bowlersthan what Root has

 

[atreus]

Throughout Ponting career he faced better bowlersthan what Root has

Root can't birth better bowlers to face.

but almost every team has better bowling today than they did in the 2000s, and that's what ultimately better rather than one ATG bowler and a couple duds. India has an ATG attack at home with dominance not concieved since Windies in 80s as well as having good pacers + an ATG in the making, Australia have an ATG attack and an ATG bowler in the making who can stand with any Punter faced, same with SA who have an ATG in the making (Rabada) whose an absolute monster at home, and so forth, Windies of 2010s have had stronger attacks than the one ponting faced in 00s, Boult/Wagner/Southee is a better attack than anything NZ has had since Hadlee and so forth.

Ponting hasn't faced better bowlers, and he certainly didn't perform against them, so No, Root has faced better bowling on infinitely tougher pitches.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Pakistan cricket is in a bad moment, but this too shall pass. All teams have gone through similar periods in their history. I’m sure you are old enough to remember what the reputation of England cricket was in the late 90s and early 2000s.

Pakistan cricket will have good period and bad periods in the future because this is how it is, but Root overtaking Tendulkar will be a constant forever.

I mean records are meant to be broken. We love Viv, KP, ABDV, Wasim etc as well. Root is well respected and loved accross Indian fans also. There has been nothing in the media also to suggest that he is a lesser player. Same happened when Cook was approaching Sachin's record. So I am not sure what reputation protection are you talking about ?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Root can't birth better bowlers to face.

but almost every team has better bowling today than they did in the 2000s, and that's what ultimately better rather than one ATG bowler and a couple duds. India has an ATG attack at home with dominance not concieved since Windies in 80s as well as having good pacers + an ATG in the making, Australia have an ATG attack and an ATG bowler in the making who can stand with any Punter faced, same with SA who have an ATG in the making (Rabada) whose an absolute monster at home, and so forth, Windies of 2010s have had stronger attacks than the one ponting faced in 00s, Boult/Wagner/Southee is a better attack than anything NZ has had since Hadlee and so forth.

Ponting hasn't faced better bowlers, and he certainly didn't perform against them, so No, Root has faced better bowling on infinitely tougher pitches.

Root can't birth better bowlers to face.

but almost every team has better bowling today than they did in the 2000s, and that's what ultimately better rather than one ATG bowler and a couple duds. India has an ATG attack at home with dominance not concieved since Windies in 80s as well as having good pacers + an ATG in the making, Australia have an ATG attack and an ATG bowler in the making who can stand with any Punter faced, same with SA who have an ATG in the making (Rabada) whose an absolute monster at home, and so forth, Windies of 2010s have had stronger attacks than the one ponting faced in 00s, Boult/Wagner/Southee is a better attack than anything NZ has had since Hadlee and so forth.

Ponting hasn't faced better bowlers, and he certainly didn't perform against them, so No, Root has faced better bowling on infinitely tougher pitches.

Are you for real.

Ponting faced

Pakistan
Wasim waqar shoaib Asif

Windies
Ambrose Walsh

South Africa
Donald
Pollock

England
Anderson
Broad
Flintoff
Harmison

India
zaheer
Harbajhan
Srinath

Sri Lanka
Murli
vaas

As for Root

Bar the Indian and Aussy attack, rest are very ordinary

 

[KP From India]

Quinton De Kock is a far better WK batsman than Dhoni in all formats and KG Rabada is a better fast bowler in Tests than anyone in Indian history including Bumrah.

But Dhoni and Bumrah have the force of billions of fans behind their backs that has elevated their status far beyond what it is actually worth while superior players in comparison have been disrespected & devalued.

This is the outcome of allowing a disproportionate fanbase to build perceptions and narratives.

The only way to curb the Indian influence to ensure that the cricketing world does not revolve around them and their version of events is not the ultimate source of truth which sadly is today.

Indians hold the key to decide if you are good or bad, but the non-Indian stakeholders can negate this by staying firm in their beliefs and convictions.

Can't say about Rabada.
But QDK's parents will be like Lmao after hearing comparison with MSD..

 

[nuttyprof]

Pakistan cricket is in a bad moment, but this too shall pass. All teams have gone through similar periods in their history. I’m sure you are old enough to remember what the reputation of England cricket was in the late 90s and early 2000s.

Pakistan cricket will have good period and bad periods in the future because this is how it is, but Root overtaking Tendulkar will be a constant forever.

A country’s sporting prowess directly corresponds to it’s economy. One of the reasons NZ, SA produce good teams despite low population and cricket not being the top sport there.
Same is the case with Pak. Unless Pak economy grows, Pak cricket can’t improve. I don’t think this is the cyclical growth cycle. Pak economy is doomed to fail in the coming years.

 

[mominsaigol]

Can't say about Rabada.
But QDK's parents will be like Lmao after hearing comparison with MSD..

Why? Rabada is not better then bumrah lol.

But QDK is far far superior to MSD, it isn't even a contest?

In odi qdk is a freak and is miles superior to Dhoni. He's below gilchrist though.

In t20 it isn't a competiton either.

And in test Dhoni is bang average outside Asia, with NZ conditons being an exception. Infact Dhoni in Australia is a meme in test cricket? In sa and WI conditons he's also a Shan masood?

Qdk, Shaun Pollock, Hashim amla, Rabada, Steyn just don't have the 1.4B population backing but their far far superior to many Indian players who surprisingly have insane backing for no reason?

Like ghambir, Dhawan and even rahul before the meme were hyped into oblivion? I've seen some comments here in the past hyping rahane into oblivion as well?

Why would qdk's parents be ashamed of a guy who has a fake biopic, Zero centuries outside Asia and stubbornly insisted on playing well after his prime costing India the NZ game and failing to keep Eng out of the cup in 2019?

The only reason QDK has an avg of 11 to 22 in some countries is because he barely played in those countries, like 2 or 4 test matches at most which is not the case for Dhoni, infact qdk avg 56 in Australia alone which puts him > Dhoni.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why? Rabada is not better then bumrah lol.

But QDK is far far superior to MSD, it isn't even a contest?

In odi qdk is a freak and is miles superior to Dhoni. He's below gilchrist though.

In t20 it isn't a competiton either.

And in test Dhoni is bang average outside Asia, with NZ conditons being an exception. Infact Dhoni in Australia is a meme in test cricket? In sa and WI conditons he's also a Shan masood?

Qdk, Shaun Pollock, Hashim amla, Rabada, Steyn just don't have the 1.4B population backing but their far far superior to many Indian players who surprisingly have insane backing for no reason?

Like ghambir, Dhawan and even rahul before the meme were hyped into oblivion? I've seen some comments here in the past hyping rahane into oblivion as well?

Why would qdk's parents be ashamed of a guy who has a fake biopic, Zero centuries outside Asia and stubbornly insisted on playing well after his prime costing India the NZ game and failing to keep Eng out of the cup in 2019?

The only reason QDK has an avg of 11 to 22 in some countries is because he barely played in those countries, like 2 or 4 test matches at most which is not the case for Dhoni, infact qdk avg 56 in Australia alone which puts him > Dhoni.

Their dozens upon dozens of keepers superior to Dhoni.

Gilchrist, QDK, Butler, Sangakara, de villers, even Pant is superior to Dhoni in test cricket atleast?

The gap isn't high lol.

 

[Mamoon]

The Indian disrespect for Quinton De Kock is even more funny because he has destroyed Indian bowling. More so than he has destroyed any other team.

A far better WK batsman than Dhoni if you take your saffron-tinted glasses off. He would have been a superstar in India.

 

[KP From India]

Why? Rabada is not better then bumrah lol.

But QDK is far far superior to MSD, it isn't even a contest?

In odi qdk is a freak and is miles superior to Dhoni. He's below gilchrist though.

In t20 it isn't a competiton either.

And in test Dhoni is bang average outside Asia, with NZ conditons being an exception. Infact Dhoni in Australia is a meme in test cricket? In sa and WI conditons he's also a Shan masood?

Qdk, Shaun Pollock, Hashim amla, Rabada, Steyn just don't have the 1.4B population backing but their far far superior to many Indian players who surprisingly have insane backing for no reason?

Like ghambir, Dhawan and even rahul before the meme were hyped into oblivion? I've seen some comments here in the past hyping rahane into oblivion as well?

Why would qdk's parents be ashamed of a guy who has a fake biopic, Zero centuries outside Asia and stubbornly insisted on playing well after his prime costing India the NZ game and failing to keep Eng out of the cup in 2019?

The only reason QDK has an avg of 11 to 22 in some countries is because he barely played in those countries, like 2 or 4 test matches at most which is not the case for Dhoni, infact qdk avg 56 in Australia alone which puts him > Dhoni.

Ashwin is scrutinized for averaging 40s in SA even after playing 4 odd tests. Couple of venues where ball won't turn even on 7th day of a test. Few believe Herath is better bowler than Ash.
Some criticize Ashwin record after playing 1 test in NZ and averaging 33.

 

[rhony]

We all know that barring unforeseen circumstances, Joe Root will surpass Sachin Tendulkar as the leading run scorer in Test cricket.

This seemed fairly unthinkable only 4 years ago because Joe Root was in the middle of a career slump and lagging behind Steve Smith and Virat Kohli, let alone Sachin Tendulkar.

However, in January 2021, Joe Root flicked a switch in Sri Lanka and since then, he has been an unstoppable force in this format and 3.5 years later, not only as he left Virat Kohli in his dust, he is almost certain to soar past Sachin Tendulkar as well.

We all know how protective and sensitive Indian fans are when it comes to Sachin Tendulkar. For billions of Indian fans, any comparison of Sachin Tendulkar with any batsman has almost been viewed as blasphemy.

Sachin Tendulkar’s legacy as the leading run scorer and century maker is a matter of immense pride for Indian fans. It is as if they have monopolized batting records and only an Indian batsmen is worthy enough to have the baton.

For very long, they were under the impression that like in ODIs, if there is one batsman who could, would and should surpass the Little Master, it will be their new King, Virat Kohli.

However, Joe Root’s rise was not part of the script and not something that they were prepared for.

As a result, in the coming years, I can foresee a collective media (social & mainstream) campaign to discredit Joe Root and sell the narrative that he might overtake Sachin Tendulkar in terms of runs, he will never compare him to him in terms of quality of batting.

We the non-Indian stakeholders in cricket must ensure that we protect Joe Root from the fangs of Indians who will leave no stone unturned to manufacture situations, stats and contexts to make Joe Root look like a lesser batsman.

For example, they would fixate on his record in Australia even though, his record in Australia is hardly worse than Sachin Tendulkar’s record in Pakistan, and the quality of attack that he has faced in Australia is very much comparable to the quality of attack that Tendulkar couldn’t dominate in Pakistan.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Joe Root is one of the greatest Test batsmen we have ever seen. We are proud to witness a legendary Test batsman at the peak of his powers in an era where there is an over-consumption of T20 cricket.

There is no doubt whatsover that he would have been a phenomenal Test batsman in an era because his technique, skill and temperament are timeless.

Joe Root’s reputation will be in danger due to Indian propaganda because with billions of more fans than all other cricket nations put together, Indian fans and Indian media hold the ultimate power when it comes to shaping narratives. Their beliefs and their convictions become the ultimate source of truth.

This is how a bang average cricketer like M.S. Dhoni became one of the all-time greats and the benchmark for WK in post-Gilchrist era even though you will find better WK batsmen than him in all Test nations.

This is how Jasprit Bumrah has somehow entered the GOAT conversation even though they are several active fast bowlers who are as good as him.

Joe Root will be targeted over the coming years and we the non-Indian stakeholders in cricket have a responsibility towards him and towards English cricket to ensure that when he surpasses Sachin Tendulkar, he gets his due credit and the Indian voices who attempt to make him look a lesssr batsman in comparison are muffled.

I disagree. Root is well respected worldwide and that includes India. He is not controversial either. But, one csnt be called a Test GOAT without scoring a hundred in Australia. Hope he scores a couple of tons in the next visit before he breaks the test record

 

[atreus]

Are you for real.

Ponting faced

Pakistan
Wasim waqar shoaib Asif

Windies
Ambrose Walsh

South Africa
Donald
Pollock

England
Anderson
Broad
Flintoff
Harmison

India
zaheer
Harbajhan
Srinath

Sri Lanka
Murli
vaas

As for Root

Bar the Indian and Aussy attack, rest are very ordinary

For Root

South Africa –
Dale Steyn
Kagiso Rabada

New Zealand –
Boult
Southee
Wagner

Australia –
Hazlewood
Johnson
Starc
Cummins
Pattinson
Lyon

india –
Shami
Bumrah
Ashwin
Jadeja

Windies –
Jayden Seales
Roach
Holder (at home)
Gabriel

Regardless, you're ignoring context to hype up Ponting, here are some straight facts for you.

1. Ricky Ponting has never performed against Curtly Ambrose, bar one slow ton, his average when Ambrose played was under 40, in both innings where he made runs against Ambrose, infact he used to average in 30s against Windies when Walsh and Ambrose were playing, and then when they were gone he started spamming double tons against them, hmmm suspicious.

2. Ricky Ponting used to average 40 against South Africa when Allan Donald was playing, hmmm kind of suspicious I'm not gonna lie, Pollock was not a high averaging Batsmen by the end of his career bowling wise.

3. Ponting averages 44 against England and 41 with the bat in England, and James Anderson was utter garbage until the last 3 years of Ponting's career, literally averaging like 40 with the ball which was absurd, so not like he performed against prime Anderson, on the contrary, 2009-2010 Anderson stomped on Ponting, getting him many times.

4.he was only really impressive in 90s against the bowling of Pakistan, and even then, he only played 3 matches with Wasim Akram involved, and even then that was a Wasim Akram at the end of his career, a shadow of his former self.

5. Ponting was a failure in 2000s indian pitches against Harbhajan and Kumble, against Ashwin and Jadeja in current india he wouldn't even average 20 based on that.

The truth is, Ricky Ponting never performed like an ATG (All Time Great) against ATG pacers and bowlers, his prime was 2002-2006 where he averaged 72 with the bat, outside of that prime he was a 41.8 averaging Batsmen, and in that 2002-2006 prime he wasn't exactly anything facing any insane attacks and all the ATG bowlers were gone, crazy coincidence he peaked in the era where all the greats retired and pitches got ultra flat no?

 

[mominsaigol]

Ashwin is scrutinized for averaging 40s in SA even after playing 4 odd tests. Couple of venues where ball won't turn even on 7th day of a test. Few believe Herath is better bowler than Ash.
Some criticize Ashwin record after playing 1 test in NZ and averaging 33.

Ashwin and what other people say or claim based of emption has no relevance.

QDK in wc 2023 scored 4 centuries against top sides including wc 2023 winners in group stages. That alone is enough to cement him ahead of Dhoni who under no circumstances could ever achieve such a feat in any era. Dhoni is very very medicore outside Asian conditons and specifically in aussie conditons whereas qdk is the opposite.

Qdk is superior to Dhoni in virtually every format and ironically he's superior to Dhoni in both India and SA which is his home den and Dhoni's own den lol.

Qdk's biggest fault is that he has sa mentality hence in knockout stages he's a bunny just like de villers was whereas Dhoni can keep his cool(Pun intended).

Dhoni as a captain is a goat, as I've seen him take India to the top even with rubbish resources whereas rohit sharma in said era would have failed miserably without his brilliant bowling resources that he has now. Dhoni in 2011 final, that innings that he played, QDK wouldn't be able to play it due to sa mentality.

But as a batsmen qdk is miles ahead of Dhoni in every format, but just doesn't have trash biopic to help his status.

Dhoni is a good captain, A freak keeper but he's an avg batter overblown by an Indian mafia that overblows and overhypes everything.

For example Today you guys were talking bad about pointing and critising him but had he been born in India and smashed a 140 against any team in a final and won 3 cups for his country and avg 51 in test cricket, you'd have never let it go and Shove him into oblivion.

I have noticed this with every Indian poster. Even crap Indian cricketers are hyped into the moon but genuine all time greats like pointing, Bradman, Viv and many others are mellowed down.

Qdk is not in that tier obviously but he is far far far ahead of Dhoni. Dhoni as a batter is nowhere close to him and is only superior in knockout stages which frankly any minnow batter is also superior then sa bats.

 

[Devadwal]

New Abbu revealed

Joe Root

Add Smith also

 

[KP From India]

Ashwin and what other people say or claim based of emption has no relevance.

QDK in wc 2023 scored 4 centuries against top sides including wc 2023 winners in group stages. That alone is enough to cement him ahead of Dhoni who under no circumstances could ever achieve such a feat in any era. Dhoni is very very medicore outside Asian conditons and specifically in aussie conditons whereas qdk is the opposite.

Qdk is superior to Dhoni in virtually every format and ironically he's superior to Dhoni in both India and SA which is his home den and Dhoni's own den lol.

Qdk's biggest fault is that he has sa mentality hence in knockout stages he's a bunny just like de villers was whereas Dhoni can keep his cool(Pun intended).

Dhoni as a captain is a goat, as I've seen him take India to the top even with rubbish resources whereas rohit sharma in said era would have failed miserably without his brilliant bowling resources that he has now. Dhoni in 2011 final, that innings that he played, QDK wouldn't be able to play it due to sa mentality.

But as a batsmen qdk is miles ahead of Dhoni in every format, but just doesn't have trash biopic to help his status.

Dhoni is a good captain, A freak keeper but he's an avg batter overblown by an Indian mafia that overblows and overhypes everything.

For example Today you guys were talking bad about pointing and critising him but had he been born in India and smashed a 140 against any team in a final and won 3 cups for his country and avg 51 in test cricket, you'd have never let it go and Shove him into oblivion.

I have noticed this with every Indian poster. Even crap Indian cricketers are hyped into the moon but genuine all time greats like pointing, Bradman, Viv and many others are mellowed down.

Qdk is not in that tier obviously but he is far far far ahead of Dhoni. Dhoni as a batter is nowhere close to him and is only superior in knockout stages which frankly any minnow batter is also superior then sa bats.

Never said Ponting wasn't an ATG. But his record in India and last 2 Years of his test Career tarnish his legacy a little bit.

 

[mominsaigol]

Add Smith also

Smith is the father of Indian cricket. The wedgie that he gave to india in 2015 and 2020 will never be wiped off the map.

Your lot must live with the fact that smith dominated while kohli's 1 of 13 killed the tempo and destroyed all the work rohit and dhawan did. Don't be fooled by this 1 of 13, as rahane batted as well, nearly 6 overs played with barely any score made by these 2 gumballs.

Live with it, breathe it.

 

[mominsaigol]

Never said Ponting wasn't an ATG. But his record in India and last 2 Years of his test Career tarnish his legacy a little bit.

The problem is, you lot create narratives.

Any sane person would talk about the good and bad for every cricketer, but for every Indian cricketer a special narrative Is made.

For example VVS laxman was a horrible Odi player, ans in test struggled frequently. He got shoved from no 1 to no 6 but kept failing until he finally made no 5 and 6 his own.

In reality India didn't want to drop him because he was the fakhar zaman of test cricket in his early and middle days. He was inconsistent beyond belief but his once in a blue moon innings ensured a victory for India. Alot of times it became laxman or bust, hence they could not afford to discard an X factor.

Once laxman settled in a position, he became consistent.

But when I bring this up for Laxman, New narratives are made such as how he was only a test specialist and only played odi cause he was a bollywood movie romancer who felt the need to play with grit and determination for his country when In reality he wanted to establish himself in odi but was rubbish from his 87 games of filth.

Similarly he was bad at opening, and average at other numbers because India went life and limb to make him work, just like kl rahul shoving him from opening to no 5.

But narratives like crises man and how he humbly wrote a letter to bcci to not have him open are portrayed.

The arguments aren't consistent. For every player , their achievements are mellowed down by some Indian coming out of the blue and pointing out their bad stuff and ignoring their good innings, But for their favourites, it's new narratives.

Everything has to be positive and any negative is turned into a bollywood biopic

 

[KP From India]

The problem is, you lot create narratives.

Any sane person would talk about the good and bad for every cricketer, but for every Indian cricketer a special narrative Is made.

For example VVS laxman was a horrible Odi player, ans in test struggled frequently. He got shoved from no 1 to no 6 but kept failing until he finally made no 5 and 6 his own.

In reality India didn't want to drop him because he was the fakhar zaman of test cricket in his early and middle days. He was inconsistent beyond belief but his once in a blue moon innings ensured a victory for India. Alot of times it became laxman or bust, hence they could not afford to discard an X factor.

Once laxman settled in a position, he became consistent.

But when I bring this up for Laxman, New narratives are made such as how he was only a test specialist and only played odi cause he was a bollywood movie romancer who felt the need to play with grit and determination for his country when In reality he wanted to establish himself in odi but was rubbish from his 87 games of filth.

Similarly he was bad at opening, and average at other numbers because India went life and limb to make him work, just like kl rahul shoving him from opening to no 5.

But narratives like crises man and how he humbly wrote a letter to bcci to not have him open are portrayed.

The arguments aren't consistent. For every player , their achievements are mellowed down by some Indian coming out of the blue and pointing out their bad stuff and ignoring their good innings, But for their favourites, it's new narratives.

Everything has to be positive and any negative is turned into a bollywood biopic

Laxman is remember for his epic and back to the wall innings. Haven't heard many comparing him with highest tier of an ATG.
BCCI opened with him for first 20 odd tests because we had guys like Das and Ramesh, Jacob Martyn etc. Laxman was never an opener in test cricket. Aus had Mark Waugh, Hayden, Langer etc. Hence they batted Gilchrist @7.
Laxman was a batting equivalent of Jason Gillespie as a bowler with double sample size. Crisis man but not quite an ATG.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

For Root

South Africa –
Dale Steyn
Kagiso Rabada

New Zealand –
Boult
Southee
Wagner

Australia –
Hazlewood
Johnson
Starc
Cummins
Pattinson
Lyon

india –
Shami
Bumrah
Ashwin
Jadeja

Windies –
Jayden Seales
Roach
Holder (at home)
Gabriel

Regardless, you're ignoring context to hype up Ponting, here are some straight facts for you.

1. Ricky Ponting has never performed against Curtly Ambrose, bar one slow ton, his average when Ambrose played was under 40, in both innings where he made runs against Ambrose, infact he used to average in 30s against Windies when Walsh and Ambrose were playing, and then when they were gone he started spamming double tons against them, hmmm suspicious.

2. Ricky Ponting used to average 40 against South Africa when Allan Donald was playing, hmmm kind of suspicious I'm not gonna lie, Pollock was not a high averaging Batsmen by the end of his career bowling wise.

3. Ponting averages 44 against England and 41 with the bat in England, and James Anderson was utter garbage until the last 3 years of Ponting's career, literally averaging like 40 with the ball which was absurd, so not like he performed against prime Anderson, on the contrary, 2009-2010 Anderson stomped on Ponting, getting him many times.

4.he was only really impressive in 90s against the bowling of Pakistan, and even then, he only played 3 matches with Wasim Akram involved, and even then that was a Wasim Akram at the end of his career, a shadow of his former self.

5. Ponting was a failure in 2000s indian pitches against Harbhajan and Kumble, against Ashwin and Jadeja in current india he wouldn't even average 20 based on that.

The truth is, Ricky Ponting never performed like an ATG (All Time Great) against ATG pacers and bowlers, his prime was 2002-2006 where he averaged 72 with the bat, outside of that prime he was a 41.8 averaging Batsmen, and in that 2002-2006 prime he wasn't exactly anything facing any insane attacks and all the ATG bowlers were gone, crazy coincidence he peaked in the era where all the greats retired and pitches got ultra flat no?

The bowlers Ponting faced are all time Great category. Same can't be said what Root faced bar a few.

By the way, Ponting also faced Steyn, and vettori

 

[JaDed]

The Indian disrespect for Quinton De Kock is even more funny because he has destroyed Indian bowling. More so than he has destroyed any other team.

A far better WK batsman than Dhoni if you take your saffron-tinted glasses off. He would have been a superstar in India.

Yes for same reason Venkatesh Prassad should be more revered than Waqar, one got smacked in KO wc game and other kept winning games against Pak in WC..
Generic ODIs matter zilch only the real tournament matters! ICC ODI wC

 

[JaDed]

Pakistan cricket is in a bad moment, but this too shall pass. All teams have gone through similar periods in their history. I’m sure you are old enough to remember what the reputation of England cricket was in the late 90s and early 2000s.

Pakistan cricket will have good period and bad periods in the future because this is how it is, but Root overtaking Tendulkar will be a constant forever.

England lost to Bangladesh at home too? Coz the only equivalent of Bangladesh then is Zim.

 

[KP From India]

These notions are from every part of the world.
Otherwise, Vettori who average 34 and striking every 13 overs would never have been compared to Kumble at least in tests.
Chaminda Vaas for all his accuracy averaged 34 outside SL, Ban and Zim getting 2.75 wickets per tests. A Kallis estique stats.

 

[atreus]

The bowlers Ponting faced are all time Great category. Same can't be said what Root faced bar a few.

By the way, Ponting also faced Steyn, and vettori

It doesn't mean anything if the performances Ponting gave were against the bowlers when they were at the end of their careers and he was averaging 44 when most of the greats you mentioned were playing, Ponting performed AFTER they retired, I'll let you think on that

Root was better against Steyn than Ponting was against Steyn, and Vettori isn't better than Lyon, not even close in Test cricket.

in Test cricket, Root>Punter pretty clearly.
in One Day Cricket, Punter>>>Root Obviously

 

[Technics 1210]

I can see Sachinistas already already preparing their defenses of Sachin, and attacks on Root.

It's just a record they say!

 

[KP From India]

The problem is, you lot create narratives.

Any sane person would talk about the good and bad for every cricketer, but for every Indian cricketer a special narrative Is made.

For example VVS laxman was a horrible Odi player, ans in test struggled frequently. He got shoved from no 1 to no 6 but kept failing until he finally made no 5 and 6 his own.

In reality India didn't want to drop him because he was the fakhar zaman of test cricket in his early and middle days. He was inconsistent beyond belief but his once in a blue moon innings ensured a victory for India. Alot of times it became laxman or bust, hence they could not afford to discard an X factor.

Once laxman settled in a position, he became consistent.

But when I bring this up for Laxman, New narratives are made such as how he was only a test specialist and only played odi cause he was a bollywood movie romancer who felt the need to play with grit and determination for his country when In reality he wanted to establish himself in odi but was rubbish from his 87 games of filth.

Similarly he was bad at opening, and average at other numbers because India went life and limb to make him work, just like kl rahul shoving him from opening to no 5.

But narratives like crises man and how he humbly wrote a letter to bcci to not have him open are portrayed.

The arguments aren't consistent. For every player , their achievements are mellowed down by some Indian coming out of the blue and pointing out their bad stuff and ignoring their good innings, But for their favourites, it's new narratives.

Everything has to be positive and any negative is turned into a bollywood biop

The bowlers Ponting faced are all time Great category. Same can't be said what Root faced bar a few.

By the way, Ponting also faced Steyn, and vettori

Vettori in test cricket does not come close to Kumble and Bhajji as a bowler leave alone Warne and Murali. Due to his unconventional no 7-8 exploits with the bat he was an internal part of the team.
Vettori averaged 34 with the ball, Kumble for all his life was criticised for averaging the same overseas. With similar average, Kumble would get a extra wicket per test match overseas. At home no contest,
Kumble in India avg about 24 with 5 WPM.
Vettori in NZ average 37( LOL) with barely 3 WPM.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Just like Alistair Cook was once hyped up to break Sachin Tendulkar's record? I don't think Root will go for it though.

And I am really enjoying the new @Mamoon, but it seems my fellow Indian fans, who once went crazy for him, have completely changed their tune. This heel turn by Mamoon feels even bigger than Seth Rollins betrayal of The Shield.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I can see Sachinistas already already preparing their defenses of Sachin, and attacks on Root.

It's just a record they say!

Honestly, I would feel bad if Root breaks Sachin's record. The people saying otherwise are the same ones who claim they don’t watch India vs Pakistan matches, yet are the first to turn on their TVs or start streaming when the game begins.

 

[Technics 1210]

Honestly, I would feel bad if Root breaks Sachin's record. The people saying otherwise are the same ones who claim they don’t watch India vs Pakistan matches, yet are the first to turn on their TVs or start streaming when the game begins.

I think if it were a case of an Indian breaking Tendulkar's record, then it wouldn't hurt them as much!

 

[Ab Fan]

I think Pakistani fans should focus on their streak of consecutive humiliations at home rather than whether Root can score 3500 runs more and beat Sachin's record. That discussion has quite some time to go.

I get that Root hit a wonderful 250 but before doing bhangra, certain section of fans should be aware that he got his double ton vs their team only which helped whitewash their team in their backyard. There are not many humiliating losses than getting whitewashed at home on a flat deck but then Bangladesh whitewashed them 2-0 a month ago.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think if it were a case of an Indian breaking Tendulkar's record, then it wouldn't hurt them as much!

Especially if it was Virat Kohli. Although he is nowhere near Sachin in test cricket.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Some stats for Root

 

[Technics 1210]

Some stats for Root
View attachment 146746

24 out of 35 centuries resulting in wins.

Tendulkar can dream on.

 

[JaDed]

Just like Alistair Cook was once hyped up to break Sachin Tendulkar's record? I don't think Root will go for it though.

And I am really enjoying the new @Mamoon, but it seems my fellow Indian fans, who once went crazy for him, have completely changed their tune. This heel turn by Mamoon feels even bigger than Seth Rollins betrayal of The Shield.

That’s why i didn’t go crazy for him even then coz I saw his this avatar before too. Just waiting for PCT to win something then he will go against the tide

 

[RexRex]

People may dismiss the OP as paranoia, but when Ponting was threatening to surpass Tendulkar's records, I prayed to my black magic deities, and Ponting ended up having an even lesser average than him.

With Joe Root looming on the horizon, it’s time to invoke the shaman again. On the next full moon night (one week from now), the ritual will begin: vermilion smeared across the altar, a black goat ready for sacrifice, smoke from burning red chillies, dipped in mustard oil, rising to the heavens, summoning the spirits who have always responded to me.

When it comes to cricket, it’s not just the runs that matter... it’s who controls the dark forces.

Jai Ma Kali. Mark this post.

Let us know when the ritual is due. I will join you .. ain't no pasty-face pom surpassing vintage Sachin.

 

[RexRex]

Bumrah better than McGrath is comedy Gold at its best

If that's comedy gold, Bumble must be the court-jester.

 

[Technics 1210]

Seems like Sachinistas are even more so hurt because Mamoon is not on their side.

LOL!

 

[aboveandbeyond]

If that's comedy gold, Bumble must be the court-jester.

Maybe he is, Old age has its downfalls

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Seems like Sachinistas are even more so hurt because Mamoon is not on their side.

LOL!

Its a case of "The once Pied Piper " has abandoned the ship!

 

[RexRex]

Maybe he is, Old age has its downfalls

Or maybe like Gandalf, he has the wisdom of a thousand years.