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Naseem Shah the gem we don’t deserve

Unfit and overweight. Naseem needs to get back to bowling at a pace of mid to late 80s at his height, or he is just another Yasir Arafat. The more i watch him, the more he seems to be morphing into Yasir- small and ineffective on low bouncing wickets.
 
Got the feeling we are not properly utilising Naseem Shah. Small sample

Odis Bowling Stats
P 19, wickets 40 Avg 20

Batting , Avg 27 SR 81


Is he an allrounder or some sort of allrounder. Not to mention his temperament while batting
 
Pace Bowler Naseem Shah outshines Allrounder Faheem Ashraf in ODIs with a superior batting average and a dominant bowling

Faheem's numbers fall short, highlighting Naseem's edge in both departments

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Theo_14 said:
It would be absolutely brutal for us not to mention how fantastic Naseem was today.

21 runs conceded and took 3 ‘crucial’ wickets. Came out to bat and scored with ‘intent’ 10 - strike rate 250.00

Why was he fantastic today? He showed what others lack, and what we desperately require from other players in the side.

Passion, aggression, aura, winning mentality, emotions, intent, adaptability and fearless approach. He was one of the least experienced players out there in terms of playing in T20 leagues but he was playing as if it was a final with wealth of pain.

He did more with the bat in terms of intent than what the likes of Imad, Iftikhar, Rizwan, Usman and Shadab did collectively. Do you realise how sad that is?

The tears in the end just shows that this boy played with his heart. He played for the badge infront of his shirt and not for the name on his back. He’s fan like us, whereas other players in the side are playing for personal reasons.

It’s absolutely disheartening how his peers lack what he possesses, he’s a gem, a crown heel in our declining side.

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Ho gaya tera gem that we deserve?
 
Fantastic talent and I am worried will be wasted away in Pakistan. If IPl can make an exception for 1 Pakistan player than he is my guy 👍
 
Naseem Shah is a glaring example of what is wrong with Pakistan Cricket where players have become superstars on the basis of their looks, social media and the PSL rather than any tangible international performances. Zero improvement in his bowling since his debut in 2019. In fact he has become extremely soft, he trundles in test cricket and his pace has dropped from 142-148 km/hr to 134-137 km/hr and on paper he is only 22, in reality he is probably 26-27.
 
Savak said:
Naseem Shah is a glaring example of what is wrong with Pakistan Cricket where players have become superstars on the basis of their looks, social media and the PSL rather than any tangible international performances. Zero improvement in his bowling since his debut in 2019. In fact he has become extremely soft, he trundles in test cricket and his pace has dropped from 142-148 km/hr to 134-137 km/hr and on paper he is only 22, in reality he is probably 26-27.
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If he’s 26/27 he should be at his peak but he’s bowling like he’s 38 woeful lazy cricketer with no desire to excel
 
Local.Dada said:
Fantastic talent and I am worried will be wasted away in Pakistan. If IPl can make an exception for 1 Pakistan player than he is my guy 👍
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Averages 34 in tests and 34 in t20s, and it's worse if you look at only major teams.. Only his ODI stats look ok as he he hasn't played much, but even there since 2024 he is averaging 38.

It's hilarious people like you abuse our young talent like Rana who is averaging 19 and salivate over every average Pak bowler despite having some of the worst bowling stats in history.
 
Sachin fan said:
Averages 34 in tests and 34 in t20s, and it's worse if you look at only major teams.. Only his ODI stats look ok as he he hasn't played much, but even there since 2024 he is averaging 38.

It's hilarious people like you abuse our young talent like Rana who is averaging 19 and salivate over every average Pak bowler despite having some of the worst bowling stats in history.
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IPL is not a test format. He has singlehandedly won games with bat and ball in crunch situations for his team. He plays for a weaker team. When did I abuse Rana? I don’t even abuse @Rana despite differing with him on everything cricket related 🤣

Also is it mandatory to praise or put down an Indian player while appreciating a talent?

Anyone with eyes can tell, Naseem is a great talent.
 
Local.Dada said:
IPL is not a test format. He has singlehandedly won games with bat and ball in crunch situations for his team. He plays for a weaker team. When did I abuse Rana? I don’t even abuse @Rana despite differing with him on everything cricket related 🤣

Also is it mandatory to praise or put down an Indian player while appreciating a talent?

Anyone with eyes can tell, Naseem is a great talent.
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Any below average bowler can beat bat a couple of times, he doesnt have the height or smartness or variety to be a good bowler and was hyped only because of his age. This is the equivalent of praising a batsman who can play a couple of cover drives with oohs and aahs and nothing else.

He has played enough matches by now to see what his standards are and averaging 35 both in tests and T20s tell the story.
 
Has never been same bowler since his shoulder surgery.

He has lost all the zip. Very mediocre right now
 
He's still one of the brighter spots on the team. Knows how to bowl economically and can switch up things rather than be predictable like Shaheen and Rauf. He's slowly regaining his pace as well since last big injury. Just needs to increase aggression and develop more wicket-taking surprises.

His batting is also far superior to Shaheen and above average for a tail-ender. I still don't understand why Shaheen is always sent ahead of him. Naseem actually has strokes all around the ground whereas Shaheen has one slog to midwicket.

I think Naseem can be a proper number 8/9. I know he is also willing to work on it. PCB just has to support him which they haven't been doing so far.

Shaheen and Rauf have to be rested now for some time, but Naseem should stay.
 
^ Not saying that he's amazing, but rather that he has what it takes to improve and get better. The other bowlers however show no resolve or dedication.

Gill was struggling against Naseem whereas Shaheen was serving him pies
 
hafizexpress said:
He's still one of the brighter spots on the team. Knows how to bowl economically and can switch up things rather than be predictable like Shaheen and Rauf. He's slowly regaining his pace as well since last big injury. Just needs to increase aggression and develop more wicket-taking surprises.

His batting is also far superior to Shaheen and above average for a tail-ender. I still don't understand why Shaheen is always sent ahead of him. Naseem actually has strokes all around the ground whereas Shaheen has one slog to midwicket.

I think Naseem can be a proper number 8/9. I know he is also willing to work on it. PCB just has to support him which they haven't been doing so far.

Shaheen and Rauf have to be rested now for some time, but Naseem should stay.
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Totally agree. I am still a big fan of Naseem as he is economical and can move the ball both ways in helpful conditions.. Seems to have a good attitude and always gives it a 100%. Mentally strong player

However, agree on increasing his speed but also think needs to develop a lethal bouncer and Yorker to his repertoire
 
Naseem is going backwards. Needs to play county cricket and get fit. A career that promised much but has delivered little. The other thing about Naseem is very poor concentration and that's when the 4 balls come.
 
Local.Dada said:
Fantastic talent and I am worried will be wasted away in Pakistan. If IPl can make an exception for 1 Pakistan player than he is my guy 👍
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lol have you seen his T20I stats.. he will be slaughtered.. he is very overrated.. at most he is a decent seamer. If he plays another 25 ODIs his average will be in 30s similar to his T20i and Test averages
 
Savak said:
Naseem Shah is a glaring example of what is wrong with Pakistan Cricket where players have become superstars on the basis of their looks, social media and the PSL rather than any tangible international performances. Zero improvement in his bowling since his debut in 2019. In fact he has become extremely soft, he trundles in test cricket and his pace has dropped from 142-148 km/hr to 134-137 km/hr and on paper he is only 22, in reality he is probably 26-27.
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very well summed up. he is certainly older than 25 and has shown absolutely no improvements since his debut. his bowling is decent at best and his records are rank average. Even his ODI record of 24 average does not stand simple scrutiny of breaking it up by opposition. he has just bullied NED, BD and Nepal. Only test playing nation against whom his record is good is NZ who have played a bunch of ODIs against Pak with their B/C teams. Once NZ played their best team in champions trophy his performance was again average..
 
SportsWarrior said:
lol have you seen his T20I stats.. he will be slaughtered.. he is very overrated.. at most he is a decent seamer. If he plays another 25 ODIs his average will be in 30s similar to his T20i and Test averages
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Out of all the Pak fast bowlers I have seen in recent times, here is my personal ranking hierarchy

Naseem

Shaheen (has become a one trick pony but still there is hope for turnaround)
Abbas Afridi- I feel he can be a good allrounder


Hasnain
Rauf

Not rating Abbas because I don’t like 120 k trundlers but I respect his discipline.

Amir Jamal is a let down- I think this is it for him.

Don’t know much about the rest. The gaps between names signifies the gap in talent.
 
Local.Dada said:
Out of all the Pak fast bowlers I have seen in recent times, here is my personal ranking hierarchy

Naseem

Shaheen (has become a one trick pony but still there is hope for turnaround)
Abbas Afridi- I feel he can be a good allrounder


Hasnain
Rauf

Not rating Abbas because I don’t like 120 k trundlers but I respect his discipline.

Amir Jamal is a let down- I think this is it for him.

Don’t know much about the rest. The gaps between names signifies the gap in talent.
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i don't doubt you don't rate him. I am just saying his performance does not backup those ratings. Shaheen, with all his faults, has 100+ wickets in all three formats at a decent average. Naseem looks good but his performances have been bang average. His T20 average is laugable and test performances does not inspire any confidence. I saw him from his debut series in Aus and I feel he is just overhyped bowler. He will do decently, mind you. He is not cr**, but not a world beater. Just a decent bowler who does not deserve the hype he gets.

bowlers like, Harshith Rana, Arashadeep, will achieve more by the end of their careers than Naseem
 
SportsWarrior said:
i don't doubt you don't rate him. I am just saying his performance does not backup those ratings. Shaheen, with all his faults, has 100+ wickets in all three formats at a decent average. Naseem looks good but his performances have been bang average. His T20 average is laugable and test performances does not inspire any confidence. I saw him from his debut series in Aus and I feel he is just overhyped bowler. He will do decently, mind you. He is not cr**, but not a world beater. Just a decent bowler who does not deserve the hype he gets.

bowlers like, Harshith Rana, Arashadeep, will achieve more by the end of their careers than Naseem
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Fair enough but agree to disagree 👍

Arshdeep definitely has a high ceiling but don’t rate Rana high. At this point I will pick Naseem over Rana. However they play for teams with different strengths.
 
Naseem Shah still has time, but it seems like he has adjusted to the mediocrity that is Pak cricket.
We all can see he is far from being fit. He needs to go away for like 6 months and wok on his fitness.
 
He needs to get fitter.

There is no need for him to be as jacked as he is. With increased pace & control he will be much better.

However we forget, he is only 21 years old so he has time on his side. But no doubt that he has regressed.
 
What a disappointment Pakistani pacers are; all average. No one is world class.
End of.
 
What to do of Naseem Shah , does he have what it takes to be leading LOI bowler, highly doubtful or he needs support
 
Kianig89 said:
What to do of Naseem Shah , does he have what it takes to be leading LOI bowler, highly doubtful or he needs support
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Give him a rest at best. Hyped to the moon but is brainless.
 
Just another over-hyped and brainless bowler. Every country has at least 20 better bowlers than him/Shaheen/Haris for sure.
 
Give him a break for mental and physical refreshment. Let him rediscover rhythm away from intl cricket.
 
Local.Dada said:
Out of all the Pak fast bowlers I have seen in recent times, here is my personal ranking hierarchy

Naseem

Shaheen (has become a one trick pony but still there is hope for turnaround)
Abbas Afridi- I feel he can be a good allrounder


Hasnain
Rauf

Not rating Abbas because I don’t like 120 k trundlers but I respect his discipline.

Amir Jamal is a let down- I think this is it for him.

Don’t know much about the rest. The gaps between names signifies the gap in talent.
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Abbas Afridi is not a 120KPH trundler, he actually gets up to 135-140KPH regularly.

Problem with Pakistan pacers in LOI cricket isn’t speed, it’s more the brains that they lack to setup the batsmen.

Shaheen-Naseem-Rauf is a quick bowling attack, but they go for boundaries at even faster rates.
 
Naseem Shah isn't a bad bowler but he just like the rest let his fitness go.

His pace is down. He doesn't have the same aggression that he once had, he has no plan of action, just simply going through the motions.

Otherwise his test match line and length and defensive bowling was good for Pakistan. Before Asia cup 2023, he had a freqent habit of taking one wicket in atleast every international game he ever played in which is a terrific record. He was Pakistan’s most economical bowler as well
 
Usman Chadda said:
Abbas Afridi is not a 120KPH trundler, he actually gets up to 135-140KPH regularly.

Problem with Pakistan pacers in LOI cricket isn’t speed, it’s more the brains that they lack to setup the batsmen.

Shaheen-Naseem-Rauf is a quick bowling attack, but they go for boundaries at even faster rates.
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I meant the test bowler Abbas.read my list again, I rate Abbas Afridi highly.
 
Naseem shah is not getting wickets that he should be and he deserves but he is still better than Shaheen and Haris when it comes to bowling in ODIs.

Shaheen and Haris are max 2-3 overs bowlers now. They forget their line and length as soon as a batter hits them for a 6....

Naseem needs to be invested in but yeah, he is not that great either.
 
Rana said:
Ho gaya tera gem that we deserve?
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He’s still a gem. If you had ability to read, you’d note my post was to do with his character, not playing abilities. His character today, still cannot be questioned, but his form? That you for sure can question.

No doubt he is out of form and has not delivered which we all had hoped for when he first started his career.

But how many times should we continue to fault the player or the “PSL fast track” system for not fulfilling their true potential or losing themselves? Isn’t it about time, you question the infrastructure, poor structure, PCB circus, constant change of coaches, grass-root? Recently, I saw a drill video uploaded and it was Razzaq leading the drill, it was truly POOR stuff, not even amateur stuff; how will players improve or reach levels when we see such poor quality of training? 5/6 months ago, Army led fitness training for PR purposes, the training conducted was high level risk injury wise.

Naseem isn’t your only player - Shaheen, Babar and players that have come and gone have failed to sustain a period of consistency; you can question them but when it’s more than one case, you have to go beyond them and question the infrastructure.

It’s not “he failed to fulfill his potential.” It’s now “PCB has failed its players and the future upcoming players.” Without Foundation, stability and infrastructure, nothing will be a success.
 
Theo_14 said:
He’s still a gem. If you had ability to read, you’d note my post was to do with his character, not playing abilities. His character today, still cannot be questioned, but his form? That you for sure can question.

No doubt he is out of form and has not delivered which we all had hoped for when he first started his career.

But how many times should we continue to fault the player or the “PSL fast track” system for not fulfilling their true potential or losing themselves? Isn’t it about time, you question the infrastructure, poor structure, PCB circus, constant change of coaches, grass-root? Recently, I saw a drill video uploaded and it was Razzaq leading the drill, it was truly POOR stuff, not even amateur stuff; how will players improve or reach levels when we see such poor quality of training? 5/6 months ago, Army led fitness training for PR purposes, the training conducted was high level risk injury wise.

Naseem isn’t your only player - Shaheen, Babar and players that have come and gone have failed to sustain a period of consistency; you can question them but when it’s more than one case, you have to go beyond them and question the infrastructure.

It’s not “he failed to fulfill his potential.” It’s now “PCB has failed its players and the future upcoming players.” Without Foundation, stability and infrastructure, nothing will be a success.
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If I’ve studying for my exam, but my parents constantly change my tutor, this disrupts me as a student and it means I have to readapt to a new syllabus or teaching method. This will only fry my brain and demotivate me. It also means I don’t improve to new levels. So how can we expect likes of Naseems etc to improve their fitness or form if there is no consistency in one fitness programme, training programme and one coaching team over a long period?
 
Needs to decide whether he wants to be a fit athlete or a model.
 
Theo_14 said:
He’s still a gem. If you had ability to read, you’d note my post was to do with his character
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What character? The same guy who threw a hissy fit and demanded out of his PSL franchise…the franchise who stuck by him through his lean patches? Only so he can be close to Babar, Rizwan or Shadab?

The same clown who runs up to batters faces having bowled one good ball that doesn’t actually get a wicket???
 
Theo_14 said:
He’s still a gem. If you had ability to read, you’d note my post was to do with his character, not playing abilities. His character today, still cannot be questioned, but his form? That you for sure can question.

No doubt he is out of form and has not delivered which we all had hoped for when he first started his career.

But how many times should we continue to fault the player or the “PSL fast track” system for not fulfilling their true potential or losing themselves? Isn’t it about time, you question the infrastructure, poor structure, PCB circus, constant change of coaches, grass-root? Recently, I saw a drill video uploaded and it was Razzaq leading the drill, it was truly POOR stuff, not even amateur stuff; how will players improve or reach levels when we see such poor quality of training? 5/6 months ago, Army led fitness training for PR purposes, the training conducted was high level risk injury wise.

Naseem isn’t your only player - Shaheen, Babar and players that have come and gone have failed to sustain a period of consistency; you can question them but when it’s more than one case, you have to go beyond them and question the infrastructure.

It’s not “he failed to fulfill his potential.” It’s now “PCB has failed its players and the future upcoming players.” Without Foundation, stability and infrastructure, nothing will be a success.
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Can you tell what form you are talking about? He always averaged the same in tests and T20s since his debut. An average of 35 is among the worst among all the bowlers in the world, since he debuted, which included associate nations too.

Tests are the true display of a bowlers ability.

Just admit it that he was hyped because of his young age and not performance. He has been very consistent in tests and T20s right from debut so all this talk of him losing form is hokum. In ODI he had a few fluke matches and then is being found out now.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Hag has all the skill set of a top fast bowler. But there's no cheat code to fitness. He has played 2 tests in last 15 months, and hardly any 4 day cricket. There lies the problem
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The numbers simply don't support this, an average of 35 is among the worst in international cricket and he has been same since his debut.

All the fake hype was because of his age, not his skill.
 
Naseem is still the better among the other 2... Haris and Shaheen the run-machines atm,

Only issue with Naseem is his ability to take wickets. Sometimes he is very unlucky but yeah, he needs to work on it... His fitness is also questionable that affected his pace as well...
 
Rana said:
What character? The same guy who threw a hissy fit and demanded out of his PSL franchise…the franchise who stuck by him through his lean patches? Only so he can be close to Babar, Rizwan or Shadab?

The same clown who runs up to batters faces having bowled one good ball that doesn’t actually get a wicket???
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He has every right to switch franchise in PSL. He doesn’t owe anyone loyalty, he’s signed to a “contract.” That doesn’t make you a slave lol. A contract which also allows you to move on. It’s part of the game. As an Arsenal fan, you should know this. Sanchez, RVP, Fabregas etc.

Him going up to batsmen is part of any pacers attitude. The fact you even use that as a reason is embarrassing and desperate.

You pointed out two minor things and go on to question his character lol. Question his character if he has betrayed the flag he represents.

To conclude, he’s out of form, but still better than than most players out there. He’s out of form; which is a common case as we have seen with other players - it’s an infrastructure, poor running of the team cause - main culprits being PCB and people in high rankings who value self interest over team. His character is still top and he is a gem that needs to be treated better and should have been developed far better.
 
Naseem Shah after this was started

3 tests 9 wickets 42.55 average 4.14 ER 61.6 SR

11 ODIs 15 wickets 38.60 average 6.06 ER 38.2 SR

3 T20Is 2 wickets 52.50 average 10.50 ER 30.0 SR

Is he still the gem Pakistan doesn't deserve? Failed in all 3 formats
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Naseem Shah after this was started

3 tests 9 wickets 42.55 average 4.14 ER 61.6 SR

11 ODIs 15 wickets 38.60 average 6.06 ER 38.2 SR

3 T20Is 2 wickets 52.50 average 10.50 ER 30.0 SR

Is he still the gem Pakistan doesn't deserve? Failed in all 3 formats
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There are still people on this thread considering him better than rauf and afridi. I have no idea on what basis.

BouncerGuy said:
Naseem is still the better among the other 2... Haris and Shaheen the run-machines atm,

Only issue with Naseem is his ability to take wickets. Sometimes he is very unlucky but yeah, he needs to work on it... His fitness is also questionable that affected his pace as well...
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On what basis is this assertion? Certainly not based on facts.

For example, in the Australia series pakistan won, rauf and afridi averaged 12 each, Naseem averaged 32.
 
I think expectations should be tempered.

Naseem may never be the fire breathing sub 25 averaging world class pacer people thought he would develop into but he can still one day be a damn good 28-30 averaging outswing bowler who can lead Pak's test attack

I think he will have a career a bit like Ishant Sharma....young prodigy with long stretches of mediocrity interspersed with some genuine class spells. Eventually penny will drop when he is older and he will have a good 4-5 year stretch at his peak where he puts ability and consistency together to generate good numbers.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Naseem Shah after this was started

3 tests 9 wickets 42.55 average 4.14 ER 61.6 SR

11 ODIs 15 wickets 38.60 average 6.06 ER 38.2 SR

3 T20Is 2 wickets 52.50 average 10.50 ER 30.0 SR

Is he still the gem Pakistan doesn't deserve? Failed in all 3 formats
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He is turning out to be a another fraud like most of pakistan pacers .

Attitude - 100%
Performance - 0%

:kp
 
The only reason why this guy got hyped is because PCB desperately marketed him as their own 16 year old prodigy ala SRT while it was pretty evident that this guy is easily four years older than his stated age. And nowhere near the talent levels of Sachin...

I literally don't remember a single match winning performance by this guy in any format.
 
There have been reports he is carrying an injury and playing through it.

His fitness levels are deplorable and I don’t see him lasting long in international cricket. Also a big thumbs to the PCB for playing pacers carrying niggles.
 
First over for 3 runs, (which doesn't include 4 byes he gave).

Rest 3 overs, 31 runs, 0 wickets.

Meanwhile holder in the same innings - 25 for 4.

No other country produces such 35 averaging gems.
 
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