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Need your help RE: Finishers/Chasers

Big Mac

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A few weeks back I was messing about with statsguru and the result was this thread:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tat-about-Misbah-Younis-and-successful-chases

The first post in that thread isn't what I care about though, as that's just an interesting little nugget that doesn't mean all that much.

What IS interesting, is the bit halfway down the page about ODI finishers. I ended up compiling a spreadsheet with about 50 names and their success rate in chasing down ODI targets but I have plenty of free time on my hands so I want to take it a step further and get unnecessarily nerdy about this.

In compiling my initial results, the top order players obviously had lower finishing percentages than those batsmen in the middle/lower order so I want to examine the relationship between batting position and finishing success rate.

This way, we might be able to identify outliers who are substantially better or worse at seeing an ODI chase through to the end. Of course, for something like this the greater the sample size the better.

So what I want from you lot is players who you want me to look at. They can be players you think were good finishers, terrible chokers, merely average, players you are curious about or whatever. They can be from test nations or associate nations, it doesn't really matter. Openers, tailender, whatever.

But, here is the important part. If I'm going to spend (waste?) my time doing this, you lot need to STOP BEING IDIOTS AND READ THE NEXT BIT FOR ONCE


  • Take the time to check that you're not just repeating a player that has already been named
  • Use your brain for a second and don't name players who haven't played plenty of ODIs
  • Don't argue over players that other people have named, I DON'T CARE
  • I mean it, if this turns into the usual buffoonery then my ignore list is going to grow exponentially.
  • SERIOUSLY, don't repeat players because this is going to take bloody ages so have the courtesy to take 5 seconds to 'CTRL+F' and check that they haven't been named already.
  • If you guys waste my time then I'll ask a mod to lock the thread and I'll shelve this and go outside and get some Vitamin D instead

Right now I have these names already:

Hussey
Jonty Rhodes
Symonds
Dhoni
Bevan
AB de Villiers
SK Raina
Pollock
Misbah
Razzaq
Klusener
Shakib Al Hasan
Viv Richards
Collingwood
Imran Khan
Steve Waugh
Miandad
Inzamam
Kohli
Ponting
Umar Akmal
Mohammed Yousuf
Yuvraj
Azharuddin
Kallis
Kapil Dev
Ajay Jadeja
Moin Khan
Lara
Wasim
Salim Malik
Shoaib Malik
Ijaz Ahmed
Jayawardene
Marlon Samuels
Saeed Anwar
Aravinda de Silva
Younis Khan
Dravid
Tendulkar
Afridi
Jayasuriya

As you can see there is a distinct Asian flavour to proceeding so feel free to rectify things.They can be players you think were good finishers, terrible chokers, merely average, players you are curious about or whatever. They can be from test nations or associate nations, it doesn't really matter. Openers, tailenders, whatever.
 
First of all, amazing work. Not only a gif-maestro but a number cruncher :salute
Second of all, great idea, read your post before on Misbah and it's obvious that he's a legend. If anything I'd havw him in our T20 side as a natural finisher ir at #6 in the ODI side.

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ross Taylor
Williamson
 
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i want to ask a question

is this based upon stats or actually watching the match?

The reason why i ask this is question is because Umar Akmal and Youni's name is mentioned in the list

A name that i would like to add is Nasir Hossain of Bangaldesh. good finisher
 
i want to ask a question

is this based upon stats or actually watching the match?

The reason why i ask this is question is because Umar Akmal and Youni's name is mentioned in the list

A name that i would like to add is Nasir Hossain of Bangaldesh. good finisher

Purely on the stats.

iirc the Pakistani names were picked because they were the guys who had been not out the most in chases or something like that. I'm widening the net significantly and I think I'm going to end up with 150-200 names at the end of it.

Put them all into a chart with Finishing % and Average Batting Position on the X/Y Axes and voila!

Please read the thread and delete this post :facepalm:

I don't know why I bother :))
 
andre russel is a name i would liek you to analyze. seperate for odi, T20I, and T20 Franchise
 
andre russel is a name i would liek you to analyze. seperate for odi, T20I, and T20 Franchise

I'm only going to do this for ODIs, that alone will require me to spend a couple of hours every day for the next week.

There's no way I'm going to bother doing this for T20s as well. I could do it for individual players but it's useless without all the other players to provide context and it's way too much effort.
 
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Most of them have obviously been mentioned, so I'd like to suggest a few West Indians:

Sammy
Pollard
Holder
 
My opinion is not based on stats or such. But i think arjuna ranatunga should be there.

He is the second odi finisher to come from subcontinent after miandad. I think he deserves a mention.
 
Most of them have obviously been mentioned, so I'd like to suggest a few West Indians:

Sammy
Pollard
Holder

David Miller

Duminy
Fawad Alam

My opinion is not based on stats or such. But i think arjuna ranatunga should be there.

He is the second odi finisher to come from subcontinent after miandad. I think he deserves a mention.

Cheers guys, keep them coming. Remember, you can name guys who you think are crap finishers/chokers and tailenders as well.

I'm taking note of all these names but be patient, this is going to take me a while but it's starting to come together nicely. A few Aussies with really high values, is that because that Aussie team was so dominant their players kept finishing not out in wins or was that Aussie team so dominant because they had so many players that were good at chasing? :13:

On the other side, Zimbabwean players have really low values in general because they were such a weak side in general and it's skewing things a bit. I would remove them from the chart but then that would leave a handful of players feeling very lonely out there in the middle of nowhere. :afridi
 
I'm taking note of all these names but be patient, this is going to take me a while but it's starting to come together nicely. A few Aussies with really high values, is that because that Aussie team was so dominant their players kept finishing not out in wins or was that Aussie team so dominant because they had so many players that were good at chasing? :13:

On the other side, Zimbabwean players have really low values in general because they were such a weak side in general and it's skewing things a bit. I would remove them from the chart but then that would leave a handful of players feeling very lonely out there in the middle of nowhere. :afridi

Oh cos I know you want more Aussies: :afridi
Justin Langer
Darren Lehmann
Allan Border
Michael Clarke
Shane Watson
 
Oh cos I know you want more Aussies: :afridi
Justin Langer
Darren Lehmann
Allan Border
Michael Clarke
Shane Watson

:mv


I think I've got everybody who has ever batted 50 times or more in the second innings of an ODI so I'll get started with the names from this thread tomorrow.

Having a look at the stats and Dhoni might not be the wicket keeper for the all time Chasing XI :yk2
 
:mv


I think I've got everybody who has ever batted 50 times or more in the second innings of an ODI so I'll get started with the names from this thread tomorrow.

Having a look at the stats and Dhoni might not be the wicket keeper for the all time Chasing XI :yk2

...it's probably Kamran :smith

It's Gilchrist though
 
Cheers guys, keep them coming. Remember, you can name guys who you think are crap finishers/chokers and tailenders as well.

I'm taking note of all these names but be patient, this is going to take me a while but it's starting to come together nicely. A few Aussies with really high values, is that because that Aussie team was so dominant their players kept finishing not out in wins or was that Aussie team so dominant because they had so many players that were good at chasing? :13:

On the other side, Zimbabwean players have really low values in general because they were such a weak side in general and it's skewing things a bit. I would remove them from the chart but then that would leave a handful of players feeling very lonely out there in the middle of nowhere. :afridi

Umar Gul, Damien Martyn, Yusuf Pathan, Joe Root, Herschelle Gibbs, Mitchell Johnson, Daniel Vettori and Andrew Flintoff were some other interesting names that spring to mind.

Australians are mentally tough it seems and they've always been the team you'd least expect to choke. The fact that they've won so many tournaments and series' shows this.
 
Cheers guys, keep them coming. Remember, you can name guys who you think are crap finishers/chokers and tailenders as well.

I'm taking note of all these names but be patient, this is going to take me a while but it's starting to come together nicely. A few Aussies with really high values, is that because that Aussie team was so dominant their players kept finishing not out in wins or was that Aussie team so dominant because they had so many players that were good at chasing? :13:

On the other side, Zimbabwean players have really low values in general because they were such a weak side in general and it's skewing things a bit. I would remove them from the chart but then that would leave a handful of players feeling very lonely out there in the middle of nowhere. :afridi

Don't worry broski, take your time! Appreciate the effort.
 
Wow, no Chris Harris??

He was a gun ODI all-rounder. Still remember his 130 something that he hit against Australia in 96 WC QF.
 
Mark Boucher
Chris Cairns
Jacob Oram
Vettori
Heath Streak
Andy Flower
Kapugedera
Chandimal
Flintoff
EJ Morgan
Craig McMillan
 
Ashwel Prince
Azhar Mahmood
James Hopes
Ian Harvey
Ravi Bopara
Styris
Andrew Hall
Irfan Pathan
Kevin o Brien
Ian Harvey
Hogg
Boje
 
You better drop the Vitamin D idea, seems like every other match is washed out in UK.
 
Some more finishers

Neil Fairbrother
Arjuna Ranatunga
Roger Twose
James Faulkner
Angelo Matthews
Hansie Cronje
 
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