New Bollywood movie portrays Ahmad Shah Durrani as a barbarian

[cricketjoshila]

If you read Arab history, you will know that the Arabs didn’t really bother with expanding on their conquest due to a number of internal issues. If they had, India would be vastly different. The Arabs over a period of a few decades destroyed the Romans and the Persians, the 2 greatest empires of the time. India would not have stood their onslaught. Bin Qasim himself was recalled back and imprisoned by Sulaiman Bin Abdulmalik.

Neither the Romans nor the Persians could capture India, because of the existence of strong empires.

The persians capitulated before Greeks, and ither strong armies. Such was their capitulation to the arabs that they even lost their culture and religion.

Vast majority of India is still following pre islamic religion and culture.

Dont forget that the christian conquerors too tried to change the religion, just like they did in the Americas. They failed.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Neither the Romans nor the Persians could capture India, because of the existence of strong empires.

The persians capitulated before Greeks, and ither strong armies. Such was their capitulation to the arabs that they even lost their culture and religion.

Vast majority of India is still following pre islamic religion and culture.

Dont forget that the christian conquerors too tried to change the religion, just like they did in the Americas. They failed.

Not vast majority. About 40% of population is indian subcontinent is muslim and from the remaining 60 there are also various other non hindu religions. Not many ppl find it plausible to believe in worshiping Domestic animals.

 

[Patriot]

Muslims were in power just like British. They did not care about Sati like British did. They were self indulgent and cared about power and conversion.

In Islam, the local minority population is allowed to practice their own culture and adhere to their laws regardless how bad these laws are. Under the Arabs, the Jews were allowed their own laws. Same with Hindus in India.

 

[Patriot]

Neither the Romans nor the Persians could capture India, because of the existence of strong empires.

The persians capitulated before Greeks, and ither strong armies. Such was their capitulation to the arabs that they even lost their culture and religion.

Vast majority of India is still following pre islamic religion and culture.

Dont forget that the christian conquerors too tried to change the religion, just like they did in the Americas. They failed.

You haven’t responded at all to my comment and just diverted the discussion to the Romans or the Persians. The Arabs had internal strifes and did not bother with extending their territory. If they had, the whole of India would have been under Muslim control much sooner. However that does not mean there would be less Hindus. The Arabs did not force their religion on the local populations.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Typical Indian behaviour of glorifying non existing bravery. Abhinandan style.

 

[Napa]

I am telling you what is taught in British schools, I also told you that it Britain's history of empire wasn't really covered in much detail, at least not when it came to India. If you think I am in a state of ignorance, then I wonder what you would think of the average Brit who thinks Britain brought civilisation to India?

You were likely sleeping in your history classes. British textbooks can't be of such poor quality that they portray "a battle with other European powers and the Mughals when it comes to India". Such ridiculous claims need references to have any validity.

It is hard to believe that the average Brit knows even less about India than you given the extensive documentation of your ignorance on this forum. If I remember right, you were the guy who did a google search for India and arrived at an assessment based on the first few images you saw, doesn't get worse than that!

 

[Napa]

You haven’t responded at all to my comment and just diverted the discussion to the Romans or the Persians. The Arabs had internal strifes and did not bother with extending their territory. If they had, the whole of India would have been under Muslim control much sooner. However that does not mean there would be less Hindus. The Arabs did not force their religion on the local populations.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] is right though. India was invulnerable when it was united (as it is now). When it was fragmented, it was run over by invaders. This is what Plutarch had to say about Alexander history's second greatest conqueror (next only to Genghis Khan).

As for the Macedonians, however, their struggle with Porus blunted their courage and stayed their further advance into India. For having had all they could do to repulse an enemy who mustered only twenty thousand infantry and two thousand horse, they violently opposed Alexander when he insisted on crossing the river Ganges also, the width of which, as they learned, was thirty-two furlongs, its depth a hundred fathoms, while its banks on the further side were covered with multitudes of men-at-arms and horsemen and elephants. For they were told that the kings of the Ganderites and Praesii were awaiting them with eighty thousand horsemen, two hundred thousand footmen, eight thousand chariots, and six thousand war elephants.

Predictably Alexander chose to retreat rather than fight the Nanda Empire of Magadha.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not vast majority. About 40% of population is indian subcontinent is muslim and from the remaining 60 there are also various other non hindu religions. Not many ppl find it plausible to believe in worshiping Domestic animals.

Hindus are over a billion and the majority with nearly 60% population

I can insult your religion too, but my upbringing doesnot allow me to insult gods and religion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hindus are over a billion and the majority with nearly 60% population

I can insult your religion too, but my upbringing doesnot allow me to insult gods and religion.

But it would allow you to climb a mosque and try to break it down. Or at least support this act, so you do in anyway. No point hiding this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol Indians thing they were some brave and great warriors, who resisted The Muslim invaders, I mean just Have a look at the average Indian, do they look like A great warrior race lol? Most of the times it was one muslim invader fighting another Muslim invader.

Yes thats why majority of Indians dont follow the religion of muslim invaders. While from Africa to Arab to Persia snd Afghanistan, people capitulated to the islamiy invaders and accepted their faith.

 

[andy0204]

Not vast majority. About 40% of population is indian subcontinent is muslim and from the remaining 60 there are also various other non hindu religions. Not many ppl find it plausible to believe in worshiping Domestic animals.

Our Religion never taught us to betray other religion.

 

[Musakhel]

Yes thats why majority of Indians dont follow the religion of muslim invaders. While from Africa to Arab to Persia snd Afghanistan, people capitulated to the islamiy invaders and accepted their faith.

That's because forced conversion were a small part of why people converted, I have proven it before in other threads but the region of north India, basically from the indus to delhi only became muslim majority during the time of the British, so much for forced conversions.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But it would allow you to climb a mosque and try to break it down. Or at least support this act, so you do in anyway. No point hiding this.

Hindus, over a billion of them have their faith attached to the ramjanam bhoomi, hooliganism of a few thousand doesnot mean all hindus lost their right to legally claim their holy land.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hindus, over a billion of them have their faith attached to the ramjanam bhoomi, hooliganism of a few thousand doesnot mean all hindus lost their right to legally claim their holy land.

When will Bollywood make a similar film(as the OP) about Muslim leaders, armies who invaded and call them brutal invaders?

 

[Patriot]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] is right though. India was invulnerable when it was united (as it is now). When it was fragmented, it was run over by invaders. This is what Plutarch had to say about Alexander history's second greatest conqueror (next only to Genghis Khan).



Predictably Alexander chose to retreat rather than fight the Nanda Empire of Magadha.

No empire is impervious and numbers aren’t the only factor in winning. Equipment, military strategy, tactics, veteran soldiers, etc. all contribute as well. Alexander may have retreated but who is to say he couldn’t have conquered. He also faced difficult odds against other enemies.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Yes thats why majority of Indians dont follow the religion of muslim invaders. While from Africa to Arab to Persia snd Afghanistan, people capitulated to the islamiy invaders and accepted their faith.

Chalo kam az kam ‘Vast’ majority se majority tak tou pohunchay. In reality close to half of sub continent’s population is non-Hindu. I am glad my forefathers were one of them.

 

[JaDed]

For all Sunny Deol haters , he has also played Pakistani Army role in a movie Kaafila in a positive light.

 

[Thomaskutty]

In reality close to half of sub continent’s population is non-Hindu. I am glad my forefathers were one of them.

Assuming you think all religions are fairy-tales, why should you be glad that you happen to be born in one and not the other? Basically, everything is sourced from a fertile imagination innit.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Thats going into a different topic of Theology. Interesting never the less, so open a new thread if you wanna discuss that.

As for my assumption of All religions being Fairytales, when did I say that?

Even a fairytale has to make some obvious logical sense. That’s the reason i am happy with one and not the other.

 

[uberkoen]

Chalo kam az kam ‘Vast’ majority se majority tak tou pohunchay. In reality close to half of sub continent’s population is non-Hindu. I am glad my forefathers were one of them.

Yes, I'm so glad my forefathers chose to worship one imaginary entity as opposed to another. That makes me so much superior to everyone else.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You were likely sleeping in your history classes. British textbooks can't be of such poor quality that they portray "a battle with other European powers and the Mughals when it comes to India". Such ridiculous claims need references to have any validity.

It is hard to believe that the average Brit knows even less about India than you given the extensive documentation of your ignorance on this forum. If I remember right, you were the guy who did a google search for India and arrived at an assessment based on the first few images you saw, doesn't get worse than that!

A google search probably gives as good a guide as anything as to what the rest of the world knows about India. How many of them do you think are going to be doing a search for Mauryan empire? Their perception is based on current India, just like Indians perceptions of USA are going to be based on superpower civilisation and city metropolises, not cowboys and cattle farms.

I see you mentioned Porus' battle with Alexander, I had never heard of that until I read it from a Pakistani source. It's not like I have any reason to downplay any of this, if anything I'm probably closer in the genetical line to Porus than your or your pal joshila is.

It is what it is. No point in moaning about the rest of the world being ignorant, they know what they need to know, and the greatest source for historical information on a mass scale is Hollywood. Accurate or not.

 

[Captain caveman]

Its easy to defeat hundreds of smaller kingdoms. India did not have a Roman Empire or Byzantine type empire which can pose a united front when Central Asian and Arab/Turkic invaders were looting us for fun.

i.e. the concept of india as a nation was a british concept during the british raj, before that, india was seen as a subcontinent, with many kingdoms akin to africa as a continent and its many nations.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Yes, I'm so glad my forefathers chose to worship one imaginary entity as opposed to another. That makes me so much superior to everyone else.

Whatever rocks your boat. I never said anything about being superior.

If you don’t believe in religion that’s your choice.