New documentary explores Australia-India rivalry - '2 Nations, 1 Obsession'

[Mamba Red]

I don't think anyone would make the mistake of taking Australia lightly. Even without Smith and Warner it's a solid team, especially at home.

Well, so far we are doing well against Pakistan if we can take this momentum into the series against you guys I will be impressed. Hope Starc, Pattison, Cummins etc are all fit because test are won with bowlers we need a couple of our young bats to stand up as well. I still think this is your best chance to win over here.

 

[the_outsider]

Well, so far we are doing well against Pakistan if we can take this momentum into the series against you guys I will be impressed. Hope Starc, Pattison, Cummins etc are all fit because test are won with bowlers we need a couple of our young bats to stand up as well. I still think this is your best chance to win over here.

Yes exactly. Even if a couple of your best batsmen are missing, the full-strength bowling lineup is second to none in the world right now. I have always maintained that. Whatever team Australia puts on the field, one thing we can be sure of is this they will fight tooth and nail till the last ball. So, I hope nobody in the Indian camp takes this Australian tour lightly. Because, if you do that against Aussies, more often than not you're going to pay.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Australia almost won their last series in India though, which is far better than anything India have ever done in their entire history.

Come on bro that is factually incorrect, even in this millennium we were close to winning there in 2003-04 in the 4th test at SCG. Much closer than what Aussies did in 2017.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What an epic thread Why do Indians care so much what Pakistanis or anyone else thinks whether it's a rivalry or not?

It's because they have a new rivalry with Australia and they need 200 posts on a Pakistani forum to prove it.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

It's because they have a new rivalry with Australia and they need 200 posts on a Pakistani forum to prove it.

Think its exactly the opposite but ofcourse with green tinted glass you wont be able to see.

The OP is about an Australian documentary (not Indian) which mentions about Ind-Aust cricket rivalry.

Desperation started immidiately amongst Pak posters (refer to post #7) that Austrakians dont care about this rivalry.

Not only that, when actual Aussies categorically posted (post #92) that Indian rivalry means a lot to them, even then few posters were in denial mode.

Its like below:

Person A (Aust Journalist) - India is the new rival for Aust

Person B (Pak posters) - Aussies dont care about this rivalry

Person C (Ind fans) - But its a documentary created by Aussies

Person B (Pak posters) - Marketing stunt. No one in Aust cares about India...no one remembers India's win here in 2003.

Person D (Actual Aussie poster) - I am an aussie and we do consider Ind as rival after Eng.

Person B (Pak posters) - Indian fans are so desperate

 

[Rana]

One of the funniest threads I have ever come across. So much confusion and people justifying the confusion

 

[Rana]

Rivalry or No Rivalry. Genuine Rivalry or Marketed Rivalry, one thing is for sure and that is that a Rivalry is made through genuine dislike, hate and a genuine obsession to be better than that one particular opponent. A documentary cannot really determine that, nor can individual opinions. It just exists and the hostility in the air is what testifies to it.

You think the Aussies of today want to hate the Indians like that? This is the PG era of International cricket. These Aussies have been washed down by the lure of the IPL.

 

[Bilal7]

Come on bro that is factually incorrect, even in this millennium we were close to winning there in 2003-04 in the 4th test at SCG. Much closer than what Aussies did in 2017.

I agree, that was an exaggeration. However, Australia definitely showed more fight in India than India have done in Australia for years.

1. I guess you were two busy with your "adult life" to remember the series India drew in Australia in 2003. And you must have been even more busy in 2015 when India lost the series 0-2 but it was a very closely fought series where India came within 40 runs of chasing a 370 run target set by Australia.

2. India are the second best tourist to AUS. I have shown you the figures. 54% loss rate in Australia this millennium as compared to 63% for Australia in India. Go check these stats for AUS/SL and then re-think your brilliant comparison.

3. And it takes a special kind of biased hatred to say that "Ashes can't be measured in numbers" and then take a complete u-turn and say "look at India's numbers in Australia. Border-Gavaskar trophy is the 3rd oldest legacy in Australian cricket. It doesn't need a Canadian's validation.

4. It's funny how all your "responsibilities" come crashing down on you as soon as you make nonsense and arrogant posts like the last ones. Ye "responsibility" ka topee kisi aur ko jaake pahenao, Bilal. )

It just shows the Indian inferiority complex when a crushing 2:0 loss is being been as a great achievement in hindsight. Pakistan came within 40 runs of winning a test in Australia too, I don't see how that is anything but a loss though. That drawn series was a good achievement.


This is all besides the point though, which you do not seem to understand. A team like South Africa are actual rivals because of their on-field battles against Australia, England are massive rivals because of the history between the two. India are nothing to the Australians except for a means to make money, hence documentaries like these. You obviously value this supposed rivalry a lot and that is fine. This is the same as Bangladesh and Afghanistan seeing Pakistan as rivals over the years but of course, Pakistan have had bigger fish to fry.

"Third-oldest" legacy is meaningless when there have only been eight test-playing nations for most of test cricket's history and India have been playing tests before the likes of Pakistan and Sri Lanka. It's plain stupid to claim that this is the same as the Ashes when it is not. At least not to the Ashes but you are free to continue your unhealthy obsession with Australia.

You're doing the same thing on a personal level with your continued insistence that I treat your posts as something worth responding to right away when to me, they're worth absolutely nothing. Maybe try to find validation somewhere else?

 

[the_outsider]

I agree, that was an exaggeration. However, Australia definitely showed more fight in India than India have done in Australia for years.



It just shows the Indian inferiority complex when a crushing 2:0 loss is being been as a great achievement in hindsight. Pakistan came within 40 runs of winning a test in Australia too, I don't see how that is anything but a loss though. That drawn series was a good achievement.


This is all besides the point though, which you do not seem to understand. A team like South Africa are actual rivals because of their on-field battles against Australia, England are massive rivals because of the history between the two. India are nothing to the Australians except for a means to make money, hence documentaries like these. You obviously value this supposed rivalry a lot and that is fine. This is the same as Bangladesh and Afghanistan seeing Pakistan as rivals over the years but of course, Pakistan have had bigger fish to fry.

"Third-oldest" legacy is meaningless when there have only been eight test-playing nations for most of test cricket's history and India have been playing tests before the likes of Pakistan and Sri Lanka. It's plain stupid to claim that this is the same as the Ashes when it is not. At least not to the Ashes but you are free to continue your unhealthy obsession with Australia.

You're doing the same thing on a personal level with your continued insistence that I treat your posts as something worth responding to right away when to me, they're worth absolutely nothing. Maybe try to find validation somewhere else?

Says it means nothing. Writes a full page page essay in reply.


I never said it's the same as Ashes. I said it's a serious rivalry with enough context on and off the field.

But of course even if you know that in your heart your bias against a nation will never allow you to admit it openly. So you stay happy all the way in Canada thinking about what Australians and Indians think about their cricket. )

 

[Bhaijaan]

Just one word - WOW!

Had goosebumps watching the teasers.

India-Australia rivalry has actually quite shockingly helped both cricket nations understand each other better and form a great bond after all. I would say the rivalry developed organically. Nothing forceful about it. Indian cricket was huge and getting financially stronger at a time Aussies were the best in the world by far. I remember as a kid every defeat meant a lot of mocking by Aussie media/cricketers of us being the elephant in the room with no results to show for. Proud to have turned it around.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The documentary has been made by Aussies and promoted by them and we have people from Pakistan claiming it is the Indians who are making a rivalry out of this. Quite fascinating.