New Zealand (292/8) defeat Pakistan (208) by 84 runs in the second ODI to take an unassailable 2-0 lead in the 3-match series

[mominsaigol]

It's so sad to think that we've regressed to the point that we're looking back at Shadab-Ifti-Nawaz being the better days. What a sad state of affairs.

Babar was also in better form at the time. Babar's years have basically been

2019-2021: Solid whiteball batter and okay test batter. Not a world beater in whiteball but not a bad option to have. Would easily walk into most teams except aus and India. Was slightly better then 2019 root as well at that time in odi.

2022: Horrible horrible t20 batsmen, but still had his form up on odi and test.

2023: Declining form in odi but was still capable of avg 40 against bigger sides and bullying minnows, Declining form in test as well, slightly improved form in t20 then 2022 but negligible.

2024: Horrible in all formats

2025: Even worse. He cant even bully his own local domestic teams anymore.

 

[Savak]

I repeat, our bowlers are the primary reason why we have been so poor on this tour. None of the bowlers have exploited NZ conditions to make it remotely competitive.

It was unfair to expect our batsmen to cope with these conditions. Our bowlers should be taken to the cleaners and the coaching staff on why have the bowlers been so terrible game after game on this tour with no improvement. Aqib Javed and Azhar Mahmood need to brutally shown the door after this series.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Brute of a delivery. This is like watching Holding, Roberts, Croft working over 80s batsmen

 

[charlie007]

Overcast bi hai. Extremely tough conditions

The other team scored 292!!

 

[Ahmed216]

Must be 2m tall Rourke

 

[jnaveen1980]

I repeat, our bowlers are the primary reason why we have been so poor on this tour. None of the bowlers have exploited NZ conditions to make it remotely competitive.

It was unfair to expect our batsmen to cope with these conditions. Our bowlers should be taken to the cleaners and the coaching staff on why have the bowlers been so terrible game after game on this tour with no improvement. Aqib Javed and Azhar Mahmood need to brutally shown the door after this series.

Pakistan has the worst bowlers to exploit the bounce. Rauf can do occasionally. But he has limited variations. You can line up against him at some point.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Shan Masood and Aamer Jamal are a must in Australia and New Zealand. You need players who are good with bounce

 

[jnaveen1980]

I saw this comment on cricinfo

Ammar Qazi: "A Rizwan's injury usually results in a match-winning innings. So, be careful, New Zeland!"

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Compare the way Hay batted to Rizwan and it is night and day

But but he is our greatest keeper saar @khyberlion @shah9425

 

[jnaveen1980]

NZ fielders are taking rest during the game with this approach. Just keeper is doing something

 

[Savak]

Shan Masood and Aamer Jamal are a must in Australia and New Zealand. You need players who are good with bounce

Most importantly you need solid hit the deck pacers who can exploit the bounce on offer as well. NZ bowlers have exploited the bounce, swing, seam and pace of their wickets beautifully but the Pakistani pacers on the same wickets have not got their lengths right

 

[jnaveen1980]

At this point highest score is extras 12 of them out of 31 runs.

 

[jnaveen1980]

11 overs gone. Pakistan has scored 19 runs from the bat.

 

[Rana]

Thank you Rizwan

Now our Best batsman goes because you ain’t doing nothing

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is the last recognized pair. Tayyab won't survive. HE can hack a few. Then Faheem and tail

 

[Savak]

Pakistan has the worst bowlers to exploit the bounce. Rauf can do occasionally. But he has limited variations. You can line up against him at some point.

It's the easiest thing to just blame the players alone. At some point you can reasonably expect a team's coaching staff to show its worth as well.

Given our results in this series, it's pretty clear Aqib Javed and Azhar Mahmood need to be moved on. They have failed in their primary jobs

 

[mominsaigol]

These conditions while difficult aren't that difficult as rizwan is making it seem, or babar or Abdullah or imam.

That 5th offstump line is not a wicket taking delivery. Such shots can be pulled to boundaries.

They are not Mcgrath level deliveries that consistently target the top of offstump their by making it too short to pull, and too dangerous to cut as it'll get the knick.

These guys just don't know how to loft, cross bat, or pull properly. Rizwan can't play anything in the offside unless it's a road. These conditons are tough and while 290 is an unfair target,

It's not that tough that Pakistan is looking to get out for 150

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rizwan stylishly says "Wait on"

 

[jamie smith fan]

Paindu bowling.
Glad god saved me from watching that torcher at the death.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Most importantly you need solid hit the deck pacers who can exploit the bounce on offer as well. NZ bowlers have exploited the bounce, swing, seam and pace of their wickets beautifully but the Pakistani pacers on the same wickets have not got their lengths right

You can bring any bowler. If you don't have batters to play the high bounce well. You cannot survive

 

[jnaveen1980]

It's the easiest thing to just blame the players alone. At some point you can reasonably expect a team's coaching staff to show its worth as well.

Given our results in this series, it's pretty clear Aqib Javed and Azhar Mahmood need to be moved on. They have failed in their primary jobs

Their two rookie batsmen scored 72 runs in the first 10

 

[charlie007]

I repeat, our bowlers are the primary reason why we have been so poor on this tour. None of the bowlers have exploited NZ conditions to make it remotely competitive.

It was unfair to expect our batsmen to cope with these conditions. Our bowlers should be taken to the cleaners and the coaching staff on why have the bowlers been so terrible game after game on this tour with no improvement. Aqib Javed and Azhar Mahmood need to brutally shown the door after this series.

Cope with conditions is one thing but losing 4/5/6 wickets before 50 runs are scored?? I think batting and bowling sucks equally.

 

[Savak]

Absolutely zero technique to cope with these conditions. Salman surrendered and gave up.

 

[Hitman]

Rizwan OUT!

Imagine someone from Australia, India, England or New Zealand playing an innings like Rizwan played today.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Blame the ultra low bounce Pakistan wickets. Even Bangladesh pitches have more bounce than this

 

[jamie smith fan]

Tailender level innings from legwan.

 

[Rana]

What a shot by Chanderpaul

What an innings!

 

[Savak]

Cope with conditions is one thing but losing 4/5/6 wickets before 50 runs are scored?? I think both batting and bowling sucks equally.

The conditions were tough for batting and NZ has the perfect bowling attack for these conditions. Don't let the incompetence of the Pakistani bowling attack and Pakistani coaching staff ie Aqib Javed and Azhar Mahmood fool you. The NZ bowling attack in the last 10-15 years is the best they have had in their entire history

 

[TheNeutralist]

The T20 team was better than this, atleast they are young and they would learn!

 

[Rana]

5 off 27

The leader of all leaders!

All heads must bow!

Every tongue must praise!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rizwan OUT!

Imagine someone from Australia, India, England or New Zealand playing an innings like Rizwan played today.

Shreyas Iyer is supposed to be the poor player against bounce. He has 346 runs in 5 innings he has played in NZ with 1 century and 3 fifties and one forty.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Tata bye bye Legwan. Maybe learn from Hay how a wicket keeper is supposed to play

Hell even Adnan Akmal could give you some pointers

 

[mominsaigol]

5 off 27

The leader of all leaders!

All heads must bow!

Every tongue must praise!

This is our greatest odi player after babar azam all time

 

[Romali_rotti]

Damn Legside with another poor showing....

 

[Rana]

But he is Chanderpaul?

Talent and temperament wise. Yes. Close.
Much better in white ball I would say.

Chanderpaul fought hard

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is a very poor NZ side.

 

[Ahmed216]

Abject surrender

 

[mominsaigol]

@RizwanT20Champ

Australia has owned NZ's full strength side in such conditons black and blue. Aus literally bullies NZ at home and yet you expect me to believe babar and rizwan are > Travis Head and Steve Smith?

 

[Asif321]

Lmao so much for experience.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Here comes rana g... What a pathetic start this is... speechless

 

[Asif321]

Hopefully Agha takes over ODIs too . This rubbish has to end

 

[Rana]

Surely this guy cannot be allowed to lead going forward?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

292 is quite a big score in a day game here and has never been chased.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Give us Sarfaraz Ahmed, give us Saad Baig, give us Mohammad Haris, give us Haseebullah Khan, hell give us Rehan Afridi.

Just please please get rid of this fitna Legwan before he relegates us to division 3 cricket

 

[jattafridi]

ordinary performance

Hopefully they will improve

 

[charlie007]

The conditions were tough for batting and NZ has the perfect bowling attack for these conditions. Don't let the incompetence of the Pakistani bowling attack and Pakistani coaching staff ie Aqib Javed and Azhar Mahmood fool you. The NZ bowling attack in the last 10-15 years is the best they have had in their entire history

Batting or bowling, neither is fooling me. But I had hoped with supposed experience also in the team, one of those would step up and show some fight in tough conditions.

 

[Rana]

Here comes rana g... What a pathetic start this is... speechless

What’s Faheem done now?

 

[jnaveen1980]

With the advent of T20, T20 leagues big hitting has gone to a new level. Despite NZ was struggling they came back into the game purely with power hitting by Hay. Pakistan big hitting is nil. Salman Ali playing outside his comfort zone still cannot match the average day of a big hitter from other countries. Pull shot, hook shot they have to master.

 

[Croma]

I come here to witness this... I go back...

 

[jnaveen1980]

Entire innings of Rizwan can be included in highlights. Fun to watch.

 

[BouncerGuy]

What’s Faheem done now?

I am talking about the start brother... top order

 

[jnaveen1980]

I was appreciating Faheem's 37 dot balls in his 10 overs. Will o rourke 35 dot balls in his 6 overs Bowled 7 wides. Essentially only 1 run was scored in 6 overs of Will o rourke with bat.

 

[Croma]

This level of batting makes Pakistani bowling look world class in domestic cricket.

 

[Rana]

Gwan Faheem. Rub more salt on the wounds of these guys!

 

[Croma]

I was appreciating Faheem's 37 dot balls in his 10 overs. Will o rourke 35 dot balls in his 6 overs Bowled 7 wides. Essentially only 1 run was scored in 6 overs of Will o rourke with bat.

Both bowlers faced different level of batting.

 

[Rana]

According to @imshally81 it was a good toss to win and the pitch had flattened out

 

[jamie smith fan]

Faheem already looking the best batter.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Both bowlers faced different level of batting.

NZ had mostly rookies in their line up. Only Mitchell and nichols were experienced. others are part time batsmen or rookies.

 

[mominsaigol]

How is faheem better then rizwan at batting in such conditons? Lol

 

[Rana]

You can bring any bowler. If you don't have batters to play the high bounce well. You cannot survive

Have you managed to get @mominsaigol to tell you why Wasim Jr was dropped? Only he knows I think.

 

[jnaveen1980]

These two guys should try to leave the ball score a 50 and secure their spot. They are not winning this anyway

 

[Croma]

According to @imshally81 it was a good toss to win and the pitch had flattened out

He was right... Pitch has flattened the Pakistani batsmen.

 

[BouncerGuy]

So we have no batter left after this pair. Although Faheen is also not a batter... DOOMED

 

[mominsaigol]

Tayyab and faheem should now just do basic batting practise.

 

[mominsaigol]

Usman Khan got dropped and this is what happened .

 

[Rana]

Have you managed to get @mominsaigol to tell you why Wasim Jr was dropped? Only he knows I think.

Oh no that was @jamie smith fan who specifically inquired from Momin about Wasim JR being dropped

 

[RyanRyan10]

Faheem Ashraf first batter to touch double digit mark @hoshiarpurexpress

 

[Kianig89]

Chaos Crisis disarray , disaster what next Pakistan team to be disbanded

 

[BouncerGuy]

Looks like pitching outside but ...

 

[BouncerGuy]

Nay.... That is out.... 6 down

 

[BouncerGuy]

OH MAN.... BOUNCE SAVED FAHEEM.... some luck for Pak batters

 

[jamie smith fan]

Faheem sobers is a good batter in nz conditions.
Remember he got a 90 odd against nz in nz in a test.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They want to get to 20th over very fast as there is rain threat

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pure luck this is... otherwise Pakistan would have been 7 down

 

[jnaveen1980]

Occasionally bounce is Pakistan's friend

 

[Rana]

@Local.Dada Rizwan is Chanderpaul

And I am Sean da Paul!!

 

[BouncerGuy]

NZ trying to bowl 20 overs so game is won even if it rains..

 

[imshally81]

According to @imshally81 it was a good toss to win and the pitch had flattened out

Unfortunately our batsman mess it up

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am waiting for the pakistan youtube videos after the match.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Rizwan faced 27 balls, scored 5

Faheem's faced 22 balls and already scored 17

Umm who is the parchi?