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New Zealand (309/3) thump India (306/7) by 7 wickets to win the 1st ODI

That's how you bat on this pitch. Except for Sundar, none could bat the way that was needed.
 
Whether its t20s or ODIs its the same issue with India. Wonder when we will discard this stone age strategy of preserving wickets at the cost of run rate and aim to score in last few overs. Except Sundar all of our batsmen scored run a ball or less. While teams like AUS and ENG aim 350 we still look at 300 which was a par score 20 years back. After the openers fell in quick succession the run rate fell down rapidly for 10 overs which cost us atleast 20-30 runs. If we continue playing ODIs in this fashion we will not even reach semis in 2023 WC.
 
Latham has made a habit of playing clutch innings against India.
 
Our batting is so outdated. Our bowlers have always been pedestrian, so no surprises on that count.

Any team that has losers like Chahal and Thakur and is being led by Dhawan, deserves to lose every single game it plays.
 
There are so many things that make no sense. Firstly, with the next WC in less than 12 months why were Kohli, Rohit and Pandya rested. If the intention was to try out replacements why was Venky Iyer not selected as a like for like replacement of Pandya. We have 6 batsmen of whom none can bowl. Playing only 5 bolwers is suicidal. The biggest issue is lack of batsmen who can bowl which was a key factor in our sucess between 2007 and 2013. We had sachin, sehwag, yuvi, raina who could all bowl.

The only silver lining is Umran's debut and his 2 wickets. Hope he can feature regularly going forward. Siraj and Bumrah (if fit) need to replace Bhuvi and Arshdeep. Chahal needs to make way for Bishnoi.
 
ex-q-zit said:
There are so many things that make no sense. Firstly, with the next WC in less than 12 months why were Kohli, Rohit and Pandya rested. If the intention was to try out replacements why was Venky Iyer not selected as a like for like replacement of Pandya. We have 6 batsmen of whom none can bowl. Playing only 5 bolwers is suicidal. The biggest issue is lack of batsmen who can bowl which was a key factor in our sucess between 2007 and 2013. We had sachin, sehwag, yuvi, raina who could all bowl.

The only silver lining is Umran's debut and his 2 wickets. Hope he can feature regularly going forward. Siraj and Bumrah (if fit) need to replace Bhuvi and Arshdeep. Chahal needs to make way for Bishnoi.
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This is why I keep stressing on team balance. Look at the team for the 1st ODI. No sixth bowler. Playing two wicketkeeper batsman when one of them could have easily been benched for Chahar. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This is why I keep stressing on team balance. Look at the team for the 1st ODI. No sixth bowler. Playing two wicketkeeper batsman when one of them could have easily been benched for Chahar. :inti
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Completely agree with you. Chahar is a handy bat and could have played in place of Sanju or Pant, preferably in place of Pant. Also teh batsmen need to show more intent. Whats teh use of playing 40 overs and team score less than run a ball. We have 3 batsmen hitting 50s and all 3 were around run a ball. Atleast one of the openers had to be more aggressive. Its a ground with small boundaries but the batsmen didn't make use of it.

I see a 3-0 writing on the wall if there is no course correction in next 2 ODIs.
 
Deserved thumping. Grade school bowling stuff. Umran was okay for half the time. Sundar was good. Last 20 overs absolute carnage
 
IND 306/7 (50)

NZ 309/3 (47.1)

New Zealand won by 7 wkts
 
Sheesh. What an innings by Latham.

Give Gill etc time. Those guys will come good. Last thing india needs to do is chop and change their batsmen due to needless panic. If these are your best bats in the country, continue to back them.

Bowling is what needs experimenting Umran aside.
 
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Ashmal said:
Tbh, some of the bowling was pedestrian, even 340 would have been chased
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Yeah. Except for Umran for a few overs and Sundar, our bowlers were garbage. They have always been.
 
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This is long term investment for india .Few of them will definitely will play regularly for india
 
A brilliant century from Tom Latham and an unbeaten 94-run knock by Kane Williamson, guided New Zealand to a victory by seven wickets against India in the first ODI of the three-match series, at Eden Park, Auckland on Friday.

Chasing 307, New Zealand lost some early wickets of Finn Allen, Devon Conway, and Daryl Mitchell. However, Latham and Williamson smashed 145* and 94* respectively to take their side across the line with 17 balls to spare.

Earlier, Shreyas Iyer, Shikhar Dhawan, Shubman Gill brought up their half-centuries o guide Team India to a total of 306/7. Lockie Ferguson and Tim Southee were the pick among the bowlers with their respective three-wicket hauls.

NDTV
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Irfan Pathan found Umran way before IPL did so get your facts right before you label him as another IPL product. :inti
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Would we have heard Umran‘s name and seen him in the Indian team without IPL?

IPL doesn’t make cricketing skills, but it helps them get recognition
 
Sidilicious said:
Would we have heard Umran‘s name and seen him in the Indian team without IPL?

IPL doesn’t make cricketing skills, but it helps them get recognition
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There was cricket before IPL came into existence. Guys like Sachin, Dhoni, Yuvi, Ganguly and even Irfan got recognition through domestic cricket. Umran would have got recognition anyway but Irfan deserves all the credit for finding him first. Some IPL fans also give credit to IPL for finding Virat Kohli lol. I can only laugh at those. :91: :inti
 
We won’t win a World Cup, where we have only 5 players who can bowl. One of them has an off day and it’s match over. The trick has to be to go with 3-4 bowlers and 2-3 ARs.

Pandya is the only one as of now who can fit the AR slot.
Sundar could easily take the other slot of a Spin AR.
Jadeja or Chahar could be the 3rd one. I like Thakur for tests, he is clutch there, but no LOIs please!

If we go with 2 ARs (Pandya + Sundar), then we can go with Bumrah + 2 pacers of (Umran/Shami/Siraj/Arshdeep) + Spinner (Yadav/Chahal).

If we go with Jadeja as the 3rd AR, just don’t play a 2nd spinner. If we go with Chahar as the 3rd AR, just pick Bumrah + another pacer + Yadav/Chahal.

Then it’s just a matter of picking 4 solid bats + keeper. I guess Kohli and Sharma are not going anywhere. Just need to find 2 other bats - Gill as an opener + Sky/Iyer at 4th.

Finally one of Samson/Pant as a keeper.

The selectors need to identify such a formation and try the best 15-18 players in these positions.

No Bhuvi, no Ashwin, no Dhawan, no Karthik please. I am also going off Rahul now.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
There was cricket before IPL came into existence. Guys like Sachin, Dhoni, Yuvi, Ganguly and even Irfan got recognition through domestic cricket. Umran would have got recognition anyway but Irfan deserves all the credit for finding him first. Some IPL fans also give credit to IPL for finding Virat Kohli lol. I can only laugh at those. :91: :inti
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Different times. When Sachin, Ganguly were coming up, cricket fans used to follow Ranji well. I remember reading about Ranji in my weekly (?) sportstar. Even till about 10 years back, I would follow Ranji and knew who was in the finals. Nowadays, most people rarely follow Ranji. I will occasionally check the scores of the finals. Even though I don’t follow IPL, but I do get to hear who is doing well in IPL via news. How many times do you hear news of who is doing well in Ranji.

Times have changed and about time you too acknowledged the reality
 
Sidilicious said:
Different times. When Sachin, Ganguly were coming up, cricket fans used to follow Ranji well. I remember reading about Ranji in my weekly (?) sportstar. Even till about 10 years back, I would follow Ranji and knew who was in the finals. Nowadays, most people rarely follow Ranji. I will occasionally check the scores of the finals. Even though I don’t follow IPL, but I do get to hear who is doing well in IPL via news. How many times do you hear news of who is doing well in Ranji.

Times have changed and about time you too acknowledged the reality
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You look confused here. You were talking about Umran getting recognition through IPL. And I am saying he would have got recognition through domestic cricket anyway. Fans watching domestic cricket has nothing to do with it. It is the job of selectors to pick players. They have to keep an eye on talent and they would have picked Umran from domestic cricket just like they picked Sachin, Irfan, Yuvi, Sehwag, Dhoni etc. Is that hard to understand? :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You look confused here. You were talking about Umran getting recognition through IPL. And I am saying he would have got recognition through domestic cricket anyway. Fans watching domestic cricket has nothing to do with it. It is the job of selectors to pick players. They have to keep an eye on talent and they would have picked Umran from domestic cricket just like they picked Sachin, Irfan, Yuvi, Sehwag, Dhoni etc. Is that hard to understand? :inti
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Again, different times. T20 and even ODI selection only happens via IPL. How many players have been selected by performing only in Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy and not IPL?
 
Yep was a thumping. Considering the start, 300+was defendable. i still woldnt read too much into it. Eden park is a rugby ground with strange dimensions, NZ are more comfy here and i thot latham played the field very well. I would'nt panic based on one game at Eden park, event though the common narrative on these threads is only two T20 games exist for india, 152 and 172-0 and these define us. I stll thot umraan showed his potential, but needs to pitch it up further and get it to swing, and should be defo bowlig for us against BD in the BD tests.
The real gain was Gill and Washi.
On another train of thot, Washi has a decent defence, is an lh option that we so crave - i feel he and gill can open in tests going forward.
rest of our bowling is shambles, yuzi should consider retiring and so should Sir Bhuvi sobers from intl T20 cricket.
 
India probably missed out Siraj in this game as the bowing attack was pretty off with Arshdeep(debutant) and Thakur mostly ineffective and Chahal as usual flopped in this game. Umran did well and so did Sundar.

Siraj didn't played the T20 World Cup so not sure why he is not in the ODI squad. Pretty clueless selections this.
 
At Auckland Indian bowlers were like lambs for slaughter once the ball got soft. Requires great ODI skills to defend totals here. Preferably you need to strike early. Once you miss the opportunity there is no coming back. India didn't take enough wickets upfront. Even from a position of 53/6 , Stoinis made 146 on this ground came within an inch of sealing a win for Australia while chasing. Latham just enjoyed the length these guys bowled.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
Yep was a thumping. Considering the start, 300+was defendable. i still woldnt read too much into it. Eden park is a rugby ground with strange dimensions, NZ are more comfy here and i thot latham played the field very well. I would'nt panic based on one game at Eden park, event though the common narrative on these threads is only two T20 games exist for india, 152 and 172-0 and these define us. I stll thot umraan showed his potential, but needs to pitch it up further and get it to swing, and should be defo bowlig for us against BD in the BD tests.
The real gain was Gill and Washi.
On another train of thot, Washi has a decent defence, is an lh option that we so crave - i feel he and gill can open in tests going forward.
rest of our bowling is shambles, yuzi should consider retiring and so should Sir Bhuvi sobers from intl T20 cricket.
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Chahal brings the moral of team down big time. Average fielding and bowling.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
At Auckland Indian bowlers were like lambs for slaughter once the ball got soft. Requires great ODI skills to defend totals here. Preferably you need to strike early. Once you miss the opportunity there is no coming back. India didn't take enough wickets upfront. Even from a position of 53/6 , Stoinis made 146 on this ground came within an inch of sealing a win for Australia while chasing. Latham just enjoyed the length these guys bowled.
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His strike rate against short of a length was 300. Had they bowled good length, he was just scoring run a ball. Yet, Shardul and Arshdeep kept feeding short of a length.
Utterly brainless bowling.
 
Those he think Arshdeep is our saviour then we need to brace for many more disappointments in future as there is absolutely nothing he brings to the table apart from bit of swing in initial overs a la Bhuvi. Post those overs, he just trundles on.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Chahal brings the moral of team down big time. Average fielding and bowling.
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Can't believe in 2022 we are selecting a guy who can't field and can't hold a bat to save his life. He is a pathetic player to have in ODIs where we can't hide in the batting line up. He should learn something from Adil Rashid, Shadab and Rashid Khan. He is a liability. Should try another leggie in ODIs who can bat a bit. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You look confused here. You were talking about Umran getting recognition through IPL. And I am saying he would have got recognition through domestic cricket anyway. Fans watching domestic cricket has nothing to do with it. It is the job of selectors to pick players. They have to keep an eye on talent and they would have picked Umran from domestic cricket just like they picked Sachin, Irfan, Yuvi, Sehwag, Dhoni etc. Is that hard to understand? :inti
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Sidilicious said:
Again, different times. T20 and even ODI selection only happens via IPL. How many players have been selected by performing only in Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy and not IPL?
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So, are you answering the question?
 
The defensive mindset of Indian batsmen was exposed.

Washington Sundar should be preferred over Chahal all the time. In fact Chahal does not deserve a spot in the team at all. He is a one trick pony and goes for plenty most of the time.

India should persist with Gill and Samson in place of Shikhar Dhawan and Pant. Though Dhawan scored runs, age is not in his side.

Pant must take break from cricket. A long break. He must stick to Test cricket and hope to find his form and skills in IPL. He is impeding the developer of Samson and Kishan at the moment.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Can't believe in 2022 we are selecting a guy who can't field and can't hold a bat to save his life. He is a pathetic player to have in ODIs where we can't hide in the batting line up. He should learn something from Adil Rashid, Shadab and Rashid Khan. He is a liability. Should try another leggie in ODIs who can bat a bit. :inti
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No spinner must be selected if they cannot contribute with bat. Sundar saved India by dragging them to 300 with great hitting. India was limping towards 270 score if not for Sundar’s innings.
 
Sidilicious said:
So, are you answering the question?
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I think I clearly mentioned above that Umran would have got recognition through domestic cricket anyway even if there was no IPL. That was pretty understandable. A bowler who can bowl 150kph can't be ignored by selectors. Labeling every other cricketer as a product of IPL just because they all play in IPL is laughable. Pant, Kishan, Khaleel, Avesh they all came from under 19, played domestic cricket. IPL picked them based on their performances in under 19 and that was the point of discussion which you have missed competely. It is about who gets the credit for finding them.

And obviously selectors will pick players for T20 team based on their IPL performances only. :inti
 
Champ_Pal said:
No spinner must be selected if they cannot contribute with bat. Sundar saved India by dragging them to 300 with great hitting. India was limping towards 270 score if not for Sundar’s innings.
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Yes. Chahal can't field too and drops dollies. :inti
 
Champ_Pal said:
No spinner must be selected if they cannot contribute with bat. Sundar saved India by dragging them to 300 with great hitting. India was limping towards 270 score if not for Sundar’s innings.
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Simply pick Pandya, Jadeja, Sundar and three genuine pacers. Bowling sorted.
 
We shouldn't forget that although NZ are only the 4th or 5th best T20I side, they're definitely 1 of the top 2-3 ODI sides going around and they are the no 1 ranked ODI side currently. Their style suits ODI & tests more than T20s, especially their bowling.

Latham looked amazing during that Innings.

I expect NZ to white-wash this series.
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Can't believe in 2022 we are selecting a guy who can't field and can't hold a bat to save his life. He is a pathetic player to have in ODIs where we can't hide in the batting line up. He should learn something from Adil Rashid, Shadab and Rashid Khan. He is a liability. Should try another leggie in ODIs who can bat a bit. :inti
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Interesting you haven't named Best leg spinner Adam Zampa and Maharaj,The chief destroyer of dreams Wahindu Hasranga😉😉😉
 
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