New Zealand Cricket says no to first Pakistan tour in 15 years

[ChuckLee]

You are far from the reality and i am asking again where was blast yesteraday in pakistan?

I don’t know what to say to you. So because there was no blast in 24 hours Pakistan is now safe for top nations to your and roam freely. How many have died in the past week? Think the it stands at 30 plus and another incident where 90
Plus killer. That’s not safe, Pakistan is not safe. Accept it.

 

[saeed5646]

I don’t know what to say to you. So because there was no blast in 24 hours Pakistan is now safe for top nations to your and roam freely. How many have died in the past week? Think the it stands at 30 plus and another incident where 90
Plus killer. That’s not safe, Pakistan is not safe. Accept it.

Google it and find how much is casualty from last 2 years compare to from 2009 to 2016 you will get you answer how much have make stride in it .btw which country is safe ?looking at global terrorism even england or america is not save

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

If this makes you happy then it shows your mentality
fan .

Im not feeling happy but pointing your hypocrisy..lolll as if everything is normal..no a country cannot be deemed safe when their own board cant host their own domestic tournament in their own country!!!

 

[saeed5646]

Im not feeling happy but pointing your hypocrisy..lolll as if everything is normal..no a country cannot be deemed safe when their own board cant host their own domestic tournament in their own country!!!

What hypocrisy? We are just complaining about nz board sugar coating which we don.t need

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

What hypocrisy? We are just complaining about nz board sugar coating which we don.t need

Something new? Ok lemme ask you one straight question..as everything is normal in pak and as noo bomb blast in last 24hrs and as many many international matches were held in pak from past 2years and as many top team players have already played in pak and as pak security is on par with usa nd uk as there is no conspiracy against pak isolation...why pcb never hosted a full season of their premium domestic tournament in pak till date?What could be the reason?

 

[saeed5646]

Something new? Ok lemme ask you one straight question..as everything is normal in pak and as noo bomb blast in last 24hrs and as many many international matches were held in pak from past 2years and as many top team players have already played in pak and as pak security is on par with usa nd uk as there is no conspiracy against pak isolation...why pcb never hosted a full season of their premium domestic tournament in pak till date?What could be the reason?

Dude first we asked nz for only 2 t20s which is managable in 3 days .if you want to see who we did it watch psl matches of 2018 play off in pakistan along with final where we did exactly similar thing .if you want see who many team tours pakistan in last tw0 years .w.i,world 11 SL along with psl matches which is good progress consderimg where we was from 2009 to 2016

 

[Sidilicious]

Pakistan is holding some matches in pakistan rather than what you have said .how absurd that sound?

dude, but it is not holding a full PSL. PSL is Pakistan's premier Domestic tournament. Unless Pakistan cannot hold its premier domestic tournament only in Pakistan, how do you expect other teams to be comfortable with the idea of playing an international series in Pakistan.

 

[Pakpak]

I don’t know what to say to you. So because there was no blast in 24 hours Pakistan is now safe for top nations to your and roam freely. How many have died in the past week? Think the it stands at 30 plus and another incident where 90
Plus killer. That’s not safe, Pakistan is not safe. Accept it.

You said there is a blast every single day.

Still waiting on proof for that.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Dude first we asked nz for only 2 t20s which is managable in 3 days .if you want to see who we did it watch psl matches of 2018 play off in pakistan along with final where we did exactly similar thing .if you want see who many team tours pakistan in last tw0 years .w.i,world 11 SL along with psl matches which is good progress consderimg where we was from 2009 to 2016

Soo all you managed to do was hosting few non-premium psl matches, some sympathy worldXI matches and couple of matches against SL-A team...do u feel it would be enough to convince a foreign board for a tour(even if it is of 3/4days)...why cant they host their full league firstly? on other reply u said something about usa nd uk...do u think situation in pak is similar to the one in usa nd uk? Should rest of the world treat pak same as usa nd uk security wise? If not...why?

 

[KingKhanWC]

No surprise.

Didnt we play one of our previous home series in NZ? Win win for Kiwi's , which they would probably want again.

 

[InziRules]

Few things on this.

If I was a cricketer from a nation other than Pakistan, I probably would not want to tour. I'm not exactly here to promote peace, make a statement or show that I stand with Pakistan, I'm there to play Cricket.

Pakistan is safer than most believe, but any visit by a Major team would be targeted. I believe in our security to handle it, but I can see why, after the Lankan attack failure, why any team would not be so willing to trust us.

It's a gradual process, we're taking steps. Before we invite anyone, we need to hold the whole PSL in Pakistan. It's a joke that we just held the finals only in Pakistan, and want to invite teams for tours

 

[ChuckLee]

Google it and find how much is casualty from last 2 years compare to from 2009 to 2016 you will get you answer how much have make stride in it .btw which country is safe ?looking at global terrorism even england or america is not save

Safety is not relative, it’s linear. You have to be trolling me because no one can be this delusional. Also when was a cricket game blasted In England? Australia? New Zealand? When! When was IPL bombed? PAKISTAN IS NOT SAFE. Just because bombing went down from 10,000 a year to 5,000 a year between 2008 and 2018 don’t mean Pakistan safe because their has been a 50% decrease. Sure statistics may show Pakistan is getting “safer” but don’t mean it’s safe. Also before you start shopping off my stats and numerical data is hypothetical and just trying to paint a picture in your head, seeing as everything else has failed to get you to understand.

 

[ChuckLee]

You said there is a blast every single day.



Still waiting on proof for that.

Every other day. What so because there has been no bomb blast tofu Pakistan’s now an advanced economy and advance and secure nation? No. What happened just a few days ago 34 dead and another 90 in early July. Pakistan ain’t safe. As I said it may be getting safer, but don’t mean it’s safe..

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Every other day. What so because there has been no bomb blast tofu Pakistan’s now an advanced economy and advance and secure nation? No. What happened just a few days ago 34 dead and another 90 in early July. Pakistan ain’t safe. As I said it may be getting safer, but don’t mean it’s safe..

Around 125 ppl died in just the month of july? Nd still ppl cussing NZ for declining the invite?you gotta kidding me!!!noo sane board can send their players for a tour!!!

 

[Pakpak]

Every other day. What so because there has been no bomb blast tofu Pakistan’s now an advanced economy and advance and secure nation? No. What happened just a few days ago 34 dead and another 90 in early July. Pakistan ain’t safe. As I said it may be getting safer, but don’t mean it’s safe..

So its not every other day, hence you were lying. Glad we got that out of the way.

 

[ChuckLee]

So its not every other day, hence you were lying. Glad we got that out of the way.

I just said every other day...you’ve lost the plot. Over 200 people died in total in July and your saying Pakistan’s safe. You’re insane. Either way no one cares what you or I think. All reports and studies show Pakistan ain’t safe. All boards know Pakistan’s not safe. PSL is hosted in UAE because Pakistan ain’t safe.

 

[ChuckLee]

Around 125 ppl died in just the month of july? Nd still ppl cussing NZ for declining the invite?you gotta kidding me!!!noo sane board can send their players for a tour!!!

Exactly bro. It’s as if the lives lost don’t mean anything as long as cricket returns to Pakistan. Disturbing. Bomb blast every month for how many years. terror groups involved in politics. Honestly feel for the people.

 

[90MPH]

I just said every other day...you’ve lost the plot. Over 200 people died in total in July and your saying Pakistan’s safe. You’re insane. Either way no one cares what you or I think. All reports and studies show Pakistan ain’t safe. All boards know Pakistan’s not safe. PSL is hosted in UAE because Pakistan ain’t safe.

You are talking complete nonsense by implying that the whole of Pakistan is unsafe.

This is not 2009 anymore. Most big cities like Islamabad, Lahore, Faisalabad and even Karachi are very safe and have had hardly any terrorism this year as it has been going down dramatically in the last 5 years.

Now no one is saying the whole country completely safe - there are areas new the Afghan border and the blast that happened in Baluchistan are areas that still need be worked.

But don’t paint the picture as unsafe when everyone that goes to Pakistan from the UK for instance no one even questions security because the main cities are as normal as can be.

Clearly you seem to have an agenda and I can bet my bottom Dollor you haven’t been to Pakistan, certainly not recently.

 

[90MPH]

I have no problem NZ not going this year.

Everything is going to take time - baby steps. The situation is much improved and I expect some teams to start touring fully next year.

We have had teams like NZ and SL touring for T20s and we should stick to that same routine time being. It’s not just security but about perception and that’s going to take time.

 

[ChuckLee]

You are talking complete nonsense by implying that the whole of Pakistan is unsafe.

This is not 2009 anymore. Most big cities like Islamabad, Lahore, Faisalabad and even Karachi are very safe and have had hardly any terrorism this year as it has been going down dramatically in the last 5 years.

Now no one is saying the whole country completely safe - there are areas new the Afghan border and the blast that happened in Baluchistan are areas that still need be worked.

But don’t paint the picture as unsafe when everyone that goes to Pakistan from the UK for instance no one even questions security because the main cities are as normal as can be.

Clearly you seem to have an agenda and I can bet my bottom Dollor you haven’t been to Pakistan, certainly not recently.

It don’t matter which part of Pakistan, if a foreign athlete walked though the streets anywhere any time. Something bad is happening. Period. Pakistan ain’t safe. You people need to stop
BEing deluded and look at things rationally and logically. You lost over 200 people last month. Don’t matter where it is in Pakistan, it happned in Pakistan. That’s not safe. If it was an isolated incident like in the western world. Peolle will understand, measures and protocols will be put in place. However in Pakistan’s case it’s not an isolated case. It’s a regular occurrence and is now just part of the parcel with Pakistan. If Pakistan was safe ICC would bounce on returning cricket back as it’s economcsy viable because of the large market. End of the day it’s all about the $$$.

Well you’ve just lost your last filler because I’ve heen too Pakistan three times, the last being 2011.

 

[ManFan]

It don’t matter which part of Pakistan, if a foreign athlete walked though the streets anywhere any time. Something bad is happening. Period. Pakistan ain’t safe. You people need to stop
BEing deluded and look at things rationally and logically. You lost over 200 people last month. Don’t matter where it is in Pakistan, it happned in Pakistan. That’s not safe. If it was an isolated incident like in the western world. Peolle will understand, measures and protocols will be put in place. However in Pakistan’s case it’s not an isolated case. It’s a regular occurrence and is now just part of the parcel with Pakistan. If Pakistan was safe ICC would bounce on returning cricket back as it’s economcsy viable because of the large market. End of the day it’s all about the $$$.

Well you’ve just lost your last filler because I’ve heen too Pakistan three times, the last being 2011.

There have been multiple mass shooting incidents in the last month which have taken the lives of hundreds in America. And if you read a bit, you will understand that this is not some coincidence of a few single outlying incidents. It’s been the norm unfortunately for the past decade.

It doesn’t stop sporting or public events from occurring here regularly because security is provided and is regulated efficiently.

An Oregon basketball team was attacked in a shooting which resulted in thirteen deaths and fifty injured. It did not stop them from touring Barcelona because security was provided.

Pakistan has provided ample security measures to visiting teams and is desperate to show that it can host top-ranked competition without security problems. And it has with three tours of ZIM, SL, and the WI.

I understand your viewpoint but you have to understand that at this point, it is more about the perception and finances than the security of Pakistan. I have visited Pakistan four times since 2011 with the most recent last December. And I can safely say that the terror and domestic upheaval issues have dramatically declined.

You are correct that last month saw two hundred deaths but that was more due to the elections rather than terror incidents related to “outsiders”.

Pakistan is SAFE to tour but it will take at least another five years of goodwill and proven security mantle to ensure that a top team willingly tours.

 

[saeed5646]

Soo all you managed to do was hosting few non-premium psl matches, some sympathy worldXI matches and couple of matches against SL-A team...do u feel it would be enough to convince a foreign board for a tour(even if it is of 3/4days)...why cant they host their full league firstly? on other reply u said something about usa nd uk...do u think situation in pak is similar to the one in usa nd uk? Should rest of the world treat pak same as usa nd uk security wise? If not...why?

why would any team tour pakistan for sympathy if they don.t feel safe 0r get a green signal from security agencies?i would repeat again pcb did try to get nz to play two t20s in pakistan which is quite possible and can be manage without any farce.Please read what i said according to context i have not compare usa and uk with pakistan.PSL half matches will be hold in pakistan next year so we are not far away from full psl in pakistan .you seems to be believe what indian media feed you try to educate yourself before posting the rubbish about pakistan again and again

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Your guess is wrong actually - PCB won't do anything to help anyone, which has put them into such tight corner.

It was PCB first in 1990 that boycotted a tour of India, on security issues. IND-PAK relation had been salty always, therefore you can play around words regarding that boycott - BUT, absolutely no way you can explain why PCB declined to tour BD at 11th hour last year, which basically wasted 2 months for both Country and it was too close for BCB to arrange an alternative tour within that short notice even with AFGs or Irish board.

Cricket season window is shrinking for us, hence that 2/3 months between July to September is a narrow space for home series, despite being heavy rainy season - and PCB spoiled it absolutely for no reason. I think, we are fine here as it is - no bilateral series with PAK and I don't mind if it continues for a decade; let it spoil to the dead end.

Don't agree with PCB cancelling tour on BD. Same for Pakistan Boycotting India in 1990 - which was not right. Just like it is not right for India to not play Pakistan now. Daft political games.

I am entirely against boards not playing each other on political grounds.

But this was not the crux of my point - my point was about helping boards out in difficult situations. Pakistan has done it with Afghanistan, with BD, Ireland, Scotland, Zimbabwe and others when they needed help. Short memories.

To be very frank, and with all due respect, of all the teams playing cricket, I think Bangladesh has contributed the least/nothing to International Cricket after all these years - not one outstanding tournament performance, not one special talent, not one groundbreaking feat. Pakistan misses nothing by not playing them. I am more excited about the likes of Afghanistan, Ireland etc. This is just to answer your last point - which had nothing to do with my original point.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

P.S. I actually want BD to do well. Cricket world is quite colorless at the moment.

 

[BDfanforever]

To be very frank, and with all due respect, of all the teams playing cricket, I think Bangladesh has contributed the least/nothing to International Cricket after all these years - not one outstanding tournament performance, not one special talent, not one groundbreaking feat. Pakistan misses nothing by not playing them. I am more excited about the likes of Afghanistan, Ireland etc. This is just to answer your last point - which had nothing to do with my original point.

Ok, but what does not contributing much to International Cricket has anything to do with touring Pakistan? First of all, you don't even host your own league games in Pakistan. Why would you expect BD to tour you then? Is it because BD players lives are less important?

Also, even if BD tours, other country still wont tour PAK. Zim already toured PAK, is NZ touring because Zim toured Pak? No, right.

It's good as is, BD won't tour PAK because of safety concerns, and PAK wont tour or host BD in UAE because it doesn't have much to gain.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't blame NZ. Need to play the entire PSL in Pak before asking any foreign team to tour.

 

[princeuk]

I feel that there is too much politics in cricket these days *sigh*

 

[MMHS]

Don't agree with PCB cancelling tour on BD. Same for Pakistan Boycotting India in 1990 - which was not right. Just like it is not right for India to not play Pakistan now. Daft political games.

I am entirely against boards not playing each other on political grounds.

But this was not the crux of my point - my point was about helping boards out in difficult situations. Pakistan has done it with Afghanistan, with BD, Ireland, Scotland, Zimbabwe and others when they needed help. Short memories.

To be very frank, and with all due respect, of all the teams playing cricket, I think Bangladesh has contributed the least/nothing to International Cricket after all these years - not one outstanding tournament performance, not one special talent, not one groundbreaking feat. Pakistan misses nothing by not playing them. I am more excited about the likes of Afghanistan, Ireland etc. This is just to answer your last point - which had nothing to do with my original point.

That is what I was also telling - no point for PAK to play against BD. You keep your attitude with you, we keep our minnow status safe. I am also least interested about playing PAK in UAE, let alone in PAK, so I think nothing lost here. I was a bit busy since last soccer World Cup, but the amount of “excitement” I see in PakPassion archieves from that wonderful tour of that ZIM, it’s definitely convincing that you’ll be more excited about AFG, IRL etc. PAK will miss something not playing against them indeed.

I have one of the longest memory of cricket history here in PP - I can confidently assure you that. What PCB has done to help other boards, can you start mentioning few here - on facilitation, logistics, technical aspect, commercials or financials?

 

[90MPH]

It don’t matter which part of Pakistan, if a foreign athlete walked though the streets anywhere any time. Something bad is happening. Period. Pakistan ain’t safe. You people need to stop
BEing deluded and look at things rationally and logically. You lost over 200 people last month. Don’t matter where it is in Pakistan, it happned in Pakistan. That’s not safe. If it was an isolated incident like in the western world. Peolle will understand, measures and protocols will be put in place. However in Pakistan’s case it’s not an isolated case. It’s a regular occurrence and is now just part of the parcel with Pakistan. If Pakistan was safe ICC would bounce on returning cricket back as it’s economcsy viable because of the large market. End of the day it’s all about the $$$.

Well you’ve just lost your last filler because I’ve heen too Pakistan three times, the last being 2011.

There will be no convincing your type because you have only one agenda.

Firstly what do you mean it doesn’t matter where you step in which part of a country ? What kind of pathetic logic is that. ?

For example you don’t step in every part of South Africa for because some parts are simply a no go areas where unfortunately it’s a crime fest but the main cities are safe where cricket is played and tourists stick fox You can even say the same about parts of America as well.

Regarding your first paragraph the exact point I was making - the main cities are much much safer now - terrorism almost non exsistent but of course nothing can be guaranteed - is Paris or London guaranteed not to have terrorist attacks in the future ??

Like I said I have no problem NZ not wanting to tour - international cricket has only just started to return in Pakistan over the last year. It will take time and I will be patient because it willl return.

 

[BD-fan]

PAK should cancel future NZ tour.
Threaten for compensation.

History teaches us that.

 

[ChuckLee]

There will be no convincing your type because you have only one agenda.

Firstly what do you mean it doesn’t matter where you step in which part of a country ? What kind of pathetic logic is that. ?

For example you don’t step in every part of South Africa for because some parts are simply a no go areas where unfortunately it’s a crime fest but the main cities are safe where cricket is played and tourists stick fox You can even say the same about parts of America as well.

Regarding your first paragraph the exact point I was making - the main cities are much much safer now - terrorism almost non exsistent but of course nothing can be guaranteed - is Paris or London guaranteed not to have terrorist attacks in the future ??

Like I said I have no problem NZ not wanting to tour - international cricket has only just started to return in Pakistan over the last year. It will take time and I will be patient because it willl return.

Another typical Pakistani thinking the world and universe is against Pakistan. Sad really. Comparing the USA and UK tonpaksitan secuirty is laughable. Clearly maths and statistics ain’t your expertise. I bet you believe they are all conspiracies. Once again safety is linear not relative. Although at this point I don’t think you understand what they mean.

 

[Hasan123]

Not surprised at this decision.

 

[Snak3eye5]

If Pakistan justhands over Hafiz, then India would definietly ply with Pakistan and if India plays Pak in Pak, the rest of the countris will follow. Its the quickest and the least path of resistance..

 

[Nasty Naz]

I don't blame NZ. Need to play the entire PSL in Pak before asking any foreign team to tour.

Yep and the focus should be having Asian teams like Sri Lanka/Bangladesh/Afghanistan make a full tour first before even bothering to ask Australia/NZ/England.

It's going to be a slow process and teams won't start touring overnight. At this point, PCB shouldn't try to get too ahead of itself because any setback at this point would kill any possibility of a team touring here for a decade.

It will probably take a few more years before we see a full tour in Pakistan.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

That is what I was also telling - no point for PAK to play against BD. You keep your attitude with you, we keep our minnow status safe. I am also least interested about playing PAK in UAE, let alone in PAK, so I think nothing lost here. I was a bit busy since last soccer World Cup, but the amount of “excitement” I see in PakPassion archieves from that wonderful tour of that ZIM, it’s definitely convincing that you’ll be more excited about AFG, IRL etc. PAK will miss something not playing against them indeed.

I have one of the longest memory of cricket history here in PP - I can confidently assure you that. What PCB has done to help other boards, can you start mentioning few here - on facilitation, logistics, technical aspect, commercials or financials?

That Zimbabwe tour was special. Not because it was Zimbabwe but because what Pakistan cricket and Pakistan itself had gone through - with no fault of the public. Just because of your lack of empathy, the rest of the argument with you is moot.

Peace out.