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New Zealand - End of the road or a new legacy?

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World tournaments can often lead to one of two options for the winners - the culmination of a long and hard journey, where the ageing champions depart one-by-one or the start of a new legacy.

The latter was the case for Australia as they beat the West Indies in 1995 and then lifted the World Cup in 1999. For Germany, winning the 2014 FIFA World Cup was the culmination of their great generation and since have witnessed a steady decline in their international fortunes.

What will it be for New Zealand? The average age of the squad which was selected for the WTC Final was 31. This is not bad but it isn't exactly the spring of youth. BJ Watling has retired, Ross Taylor is 37 and may well go too, Wagner and DeGrandhomme are 35 and 34 respectively, for the former in particular, that is the age of decline for pace bowlers. If all were to retire in the span of the next 12-18 months, that would be the heart of New Zealand cricket ripped out.

Boult is still young at 31 with 3 or 4 seasons at least left in him, the same may be said for Southee but he has a lot more miles on the clock. These guys are also all format players, further straining their capacity to perform.

Yet the next WTC cycle is due to start August of this year and will end in 2023. The dates are subject to change and likely will, so it is difficult to imagine DeGrandhomme, Wagner, Taylor and prime versions of Boult and Southee trudging out for the final in two or three years time.

Where is the youth in bowling? There is the exceptional Jamieson and the decent Henry, both on the right side of 30 but what of the youth game? Does the domestic system have the resources to produce 2 or 3 more?

What of the batting? Williamson is an exceptional athlete and has at least half a decade in him still, Conway and Latham are 29 and have plenty in the gas tank, however their quality will be greatly tested yet again. Blundell looks a decent replacement for Watling, but he barely has any international experience under his belt. What of Nicholls? 29 and in his prime but barely averaging 42 in tests.

New Zealand started their build towards becoming a truly top side under the maverick leadership of McCullum, just watch the most recent piece on Sky. The methods changed but the aim remained the same under Williamson, New Zealand's long and hard journey has come to an end. The legacy is the last decade, going forward they will not be the same ever again.
 
Will Young, Rachin Ravindra, Blundell, Finn Allen, Matt Henry, Ben Sears and possibly Lockie will get chances with the old guard leaving.

This win will definitely inspire future generations to play cricket as well, hopefully we get a couple of those gun players in 4-5 years time.
 
They have very good upcoming youngsters who will keep the NZ test team strong in the future.
 
Will Young, Rachin Ravindra, Blundell, Finn Allen, Matt Henry, Ben Sears and possibly Lockie will get chances with the old guard leaving.

This win will definitely inspire future generations to play cricket as well, hopefully we get a couple of those gun players in 4-5 years time.

I'm looking forward to seeing some of these guys get their shot, obviously some have already had a start in international cricket. I've noticed that a lot of NZ cricketers take a long time to develop (Taylor and Southee to name just 2) so the reb0uilding process will be slow imo.

But I truly hope we get a whole new generation of class cricketers and the kiwis get a win down under too!
 
I'm looking forward to seeing some of these guys get their shot, obviously some have already had a start in international cricket. I've noticed that a lot of NZ cricketers take a long time to develop (Taylor and Southee to name just 2) so the reb0uilding process will be slow imo.

But I truly hope we get a whole new generation of class cricketers and the kiwis get a win down under too!
As you said the methods have changed under McCullum and Hesson and we finally have the belief that we can compete and win world titles. The greatest legacy for this team will be giving Kiwis the belief they can win world titles now that they've gotten over the line after falling short so many times. A lot started to think if our greatest team couldn't do it, it's just not possible.
 
Will Young, Rachin Ravindra, Blundell, Finn Allen, Matt Henry, Ben Sears and possibly Lockie will get chances with the old guard leaving.

This win will definitely inspire future generations to play cricket as well, hopefully we get a couple of those gun players in 4-5 years time.

Most of the players you mentioned except Rachin and Allen are already 28 or 29.
 
They can still do a job for a while and be stop gaps for the next generation.

The question I hoped to raise is, what is that next generation? An athlete reaches his peak in his late 20s, if some of these guys are just coming into the international fold at their age, there isn't much else for them to go. So where are the Kiwis bright teen sensations or early 20s stompers?

Genuinely curious to know.
 
They need to win in Aus, SA, INDIA etc, which I don't seem them doing to stamp a legacy.

NZ just struggles when there is bounce on the wicket or if the spin bowling is of high quality...
 
Tough to know, but I have few worries about a dramatic drop in performance in the next 4 years. Blundell is a ready made replacement for Watling (and I think a better batsman these days), Will Young showed his quality in the 2nd test v England and is a perfect fit to take over from Taylor, and Darryl Mitchell is an excellent like for like replacement for de Grandhomme. Lockie Ferguson - if he can stay fit - is an excellent option to draft into the squad once Wagner calls it a day.

In the longer run, for the batting the two brightest stars are Rachin and Glenn Phillips who’ll both play tons of cricket for NZ (Phillips already a regular in the T20 side and looking very good). Finn Allen another immensely gifted player, though he’s a bit of a T20 specialist at this point. In the bowling there’s Jacob Duffy who’s come a long way in his past couple of seasons, and Fraser Sheat, who can’t stop taking wickets for Canterbury. But the big talent that NZ fans are excited about is Ben Sears - Conway rates him as being as quick as Marchant de Lange back in the day, while Jeet Raval reckons he’s as quick as anyone he’s faced in Australia. Finally he’s yet to make his FC debut, but teenage legspinner Adi Ashok has huge raps on him from everyone whose played with him.

Will NZ continue to be as good as they are now in the longer run? Probably not, this is their best ever side, and there’s no replacing Williamson. But I don’t think they’ll slump back to the kind of performances they endured in the Vettori era either. The standard of domestic cricket in NZ is so much more professional and competitive these days, and the team’s success at the 2015 World Cup has had a big influence on participation at the junior level.
 
They need to win in Aus, SA, INDIA etc, which I don't seem them doing to stamp a legacy.

NZ just struggles when there is bounce on the wicket or if the spin bowling is of high quality...

NZ would be favourites against the current SA side imo, their batting looks seriously fragile. Can’t see them hoping for any better than England managed earlier this year in India. Australia also probably a bridge too far, though Jamieson and Conway have taken the team to another level. If they could add one of Ferguson or possibly Sears into the attack and organise some proper practice matches (rather than just rocking up to Perth without facing a ball of competitive cricket in Australia) then they would certainly be a lot more competitive than they were last time.
 
They need to win in Aus, SA, INDIA etc, which I don't seem them doing to stamp a legacy.

NZ just struggles when there is bounce on the wicket or if the spin bowling is of high quality...

They would easily win in SA and I think they can give a run for thier money against Australia in Australia
 
Tough to know, but I have few worries about a dramatic drop in performance in the next 4 years. Blundell is a ready made replacement for Watling (and I think a better batsman these days), Will Young showed his quality in the 2nd test v England and is a perfect fit to take over from Taylor, and Darryl Mitchell is an excellent like for like replacement for de Grandhomme. Lockie Ferguson - if he can stay fit - is an excellent option to draft into the squad once Wagner calls it a day.

In the longer run, for the batting the two brightest stars are Rachin and Glenn Phillips who’ll both play tons of cricket for NZ (Phillips already a regular in the T20 side and looking very good). Finn Allen another immensely gifted player, though he’s a bit of a T20 specialist at this point. In the bowling there’s Jacob Duffy who’s come a long way in his past couple of seasons, and Fraser Sheat, who can’t stop taking wickets for Canterbury. But the big talent that NZ fans are excited about is Ben Sears - Conway rates him as being as quick as Marchant de Lange back in the day, while Jeet Raval reckons he’s as quick as anyone he’s faced in Australia. Finally he’s yet to make his FC debut, but teenage legspinner Adi Ashok has huge raps on him from everyone whose played with him.

Will NZ continue to be as good as they are now in the longer run? Probably not, this is their best ever side, and there’s no replacing Williamson. But I don’t think they’ll slump back to the kind of performances they endured in the Vettori era either. The standard of domestic cricket in NZ is so much more professional and competitive these days, and the team’s success at the 2015 World Cup has had a big influence on participation at the junior level.

Good post, thanks.

I agree, this is a tough call. If the guys coming in during their late 20s perform to a high enough level, I can see NZ being another competitive side in the next WTC cycle.

Looking around, I can see an issue with England finding young players for this cycle, their batting is atrocious. Sri Lank, West Indies and Bangladesh look like they will remain weak, SA are losing too many talented cricketers.

India have strong depth but must be introspective and Pakistan could improve rapidly if they select the right players.
 
Kane Williamson is 30 and still has 5-6 years of intl. cricket left in him. Taylor will most probably retire. NZ has a pretty good bowling line up currently so in SENA it will be hard to beat them. Would like to see how they will perform in subcontinent and UAE. :inti
 
They would easily win in SA and I think they can give a run for thier money against Australia in Australia

They may just scape through in SA, now that just about all the quality players in SA has retired. However it I will believe it when I see it, they really struggle when the wicket starts bouncing..
 
They’ll find plenty of youngsters coming through from South Africa.��

Jokes aside, this could be key, as it has been for England in the last few years.

It's sad that various race related issues and insecurity of the white population has led them to leave their own country because they feel they are being poorly treated...and some of their best talent in the last 10 years has enriched other countries or T20 leagues across the globe.
 
Will Young has been outstanding in the 5th ODI

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