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New Zealand v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Hamilton | Nov 25-29, 2016 | Day 2

Aman said:
Didn't follow the England series, but how on earth did you win 2 games there when you're so woeful here?

Southee, Boult, Henry and Colin are no where near as threatening as Anderson, Broad, Stokes, Moeen and Woakes.
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There wasn't much sideways movement in Eng. If Pakistan had played earlier in year then it would have swung more.
 
Colin getting a few before stumps will infuriate many Pakistani fans :))
 
Junaids said:
So you are coming to Australia after three consecutive defeats and still you won't pick Mohammad Asif or Salman Butt, who both have good records here? Nice!
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Pak lost the series with Salman in the team
 
Aman said:
YK was a borderline ATG, these next two series will probably shut down those discussion quickly though.
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It's criminal to mention Younis Khan's name alongside other legends like Tendulkar or Ponting etc., his fans have done it countless times before. The reactions will be quite hilarious after the Australian tour. :snack:
 
Buffet said:
There wasn't much sideways movement in Eng. If Pakistan had played earlier in year then it would have swung more.
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Still surprising that England dropped two games to Pakistan on flat wickets, with their deep batting line up, they should beat most sides on flat wickets.. Seriously overrated are England..
 
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Aman said:
Still surprising that England dropped two games to Pakistan on a flat wicket, with there deep batting line up, they should beat most sides on flat wickets.. Seriously overrated are England..
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Eng is poor against spin. First test was all due to Yasir.

Eng got lucky with toss in 3rd test in India today. Hopefully they win the game otherwise they are not going to anything in this series. Pitch will be very hard to bat from day 2.
 
Aman said:
Didn't follow the England series, but how on earth did you win 2 games there when you're so woeful here?

Southee, Boult, Henry and Colin are no where near as threatening as Anderson, Broad, Stokes, Moeen and Woakes.
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dear..the difference is wickets.

pak batters have always done well in England. zaheer abba, javed miandad, majid, mohammad yousaf, younis khan, azhar ali, majid all of them have scored big in england. the wickets in england have some swing but they are not harder and bouncy

pakistani batters have worst record in south africa and austrlia where you have more bounce

in nz, conditions are bit similar to england but a bit more bouncy and we are getting exposed

this team will be exposed big time in aus. we lost 3-0 to south africa as well few years ago
 
Abdul said:
It's criminal to mention Younis Khan's name alongside other legends like Tendulkar or Ponting etc., his fans have done it countless times before. The reactions will be quite hilarious after the Australian tour. :snack:
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Tendulkar , Pointing , Lara were different level batsmen , Younis is not close to that. Let alone be on par
 
Don't believe whatever [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] says guys..

He may look like he's an ultra pessimist but he is in reality, a master jinxer!
 
fast1975 said:
dear..the difference is wickets.

pak batters have always done well in England. zaheer abba, javed miandad, majid, mohammad yousaf, younis khan, azhar ali, majid all of them have scored big in england. the wickets in england have some swing but they are not harder and bouncy

pakistani batters have worst record in south africa and austrlia where you have more bounce

in nz, conditions are bit similar to england but a bit more bouncy and we are getting exposed

this team will be exposed big time in aus. we lost 3-0 to south africa as well few years ago
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Also , Pakistan do not have the bowling like in Past to bail them out in NZ. If you look at all NZ tours , bowling has bailed them out.
 
New Zealand 271
Pakistan 27/3 (13.2 ov)
Pakistan trail by 244 runs with 7 wickets remaining in the 1st innings
Babar Azam 7 (25)
Asad Shafiq 10 (13)
 
:yk is statistically worst phase of his carer , this is first time he has scored less than 10 in 4 consecutive innings
 
Justcrazy said:
Also , Pakistan do not have the bowling like in Past to bail them out in NZ. If you look at all NZ tours , bowling has bailed them out.
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that is a very good point....wasim and waqar bailed us out in NZ big time several times...sometimes they didnt let kiwis chase even 120 odd runs both in ODis and test matches

now we have rahats, wahabs, sohails, imrans.....
 
fast1975 said:
dear..the difference is wickets.

pak batters have always done well in England. zaheer abba, javed miandad, majid, mohammad yousaf, younis khan, azhar ali, majid all of them have scored big in england. the wickets in england have some swing but they are not harder and bouncy

pakistani batters have worst record in south africa and austrlia where you have more bounce

in nz, conditions are bit similar to england but a bit more bouncy and we are getting exposed

this team will be exposed big time in aus. we lost 3-0 to south africa as well few years ago
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They played County cricket , which gave them familiarity to those conditions.
 
:four

Babaar looking positive.

Pakistan need rest of batters to show determination , to make a match out of this.
 
jeetu said:
They played County cricket , which gave them familiarity to those conditions.
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fair point but but not really...surprisingly, salim malik, saeed anwar, mohammad yousaf, younis khan, azhar ali, inzi, never had any long stints (if any) with county cricket but they did well in england. yousaf scored so many runs in england that it broke many records. younis has also scored 2 big centuries there. salim malik was pretty successful as well especialy in that famous 1987 series

but all of these batters and legens before them did pathetic in aus and south africa
 
fast1975 said:
fair point but but not really...surprisingly, salim malik, saeed anwar, mohammad yousaf, younis khan, azhar ali, inzi, never had any long stints (if any) with county cricket but they did well in england. yousaf scored so many runs in england that it broke many records. younis has also scored 2 big centuries there. salim malik was pretty successful as well especialy in that famous 1987 series

but all of these batters and legens before them did pathetic in aus and south africa
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It's not just the pitch, pace attack of SA and Aus have been superior to Eng in most years. Agree that extra bounce is a huge factor.
 
Aman said:
Still surprising that England dropped two games to Pakistan on flat wickets, with their deep batting line up, they should beat most sides on flat wickets.. Seriously overrated are England..
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England's fielding was pathetic. they dropped more cathes than pakistan. besides pakistan was offered flatter pitch.
 
We really need to find 2 solid openers. Azhar is not good enough to open unless its UAE and flat pitch. Sami unfortunately worse than Hafeez both by batting and catching
 
When you play positively then pitch looks pretty good to bat. That's why I said there is no demon in this pitch.
 
Ma man Shafiq answering them haters in style!:srini [MENTION=21215]srh[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]
 
Aman said:
Just curious, why aren't you watching the SA-Aus match?
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I am watching all three matches. Switching it time to time, but mostly watching NZ one because ball is doing something. Wicket can go in any ball.
 
Good game NZ, would like to congratulate late on your win.

The demise of our test team is sad.
 
How in the world are we 51/5 on a pitch that has no demons in it, to many wickets gave away.
 
actually he went for his shots, not a bad approach. need to learn how to hook those for sixes...
 
badsha001 said:
actually he went for his shots, not a bad approach. need to learn how to hook those for sixes...
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really?
your team is 51 for 4...you are on test debut. and you play a hook shot knowing there is a fielder here

i say it is pathetic and senseless cricket
 
Pakistan 57/5 (21.3 ov)
Sarfraz Ahmed (rhb) 1
Babar Azam (rhb) 23
 
We got pitches in England with no real pace, bounce and swing and now we're exposed.
 
Babar has solid defence. Asad Shafiq has the technique as well but lacks confidence and succumbs under pressure.
 
Asad really needs to start converting these little starts into big scores. He always looks good when at the crease but falls out of no where.
 
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