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NZ win the toss and elect to bowl.

Swann out for Monty due to a recurring elbow injury (niggle?)

England:
AN Cook*, NRD Compton, IJL Trott, KP Pietersen, IR Bell, JE Root, MJ Prior†, SCJ Broad, ST Finn, JM Anderson, MS Panesar

NZ:
PG Fulton, HD Rutherford, KS Williamson, LRPL Taylor, DG Brownlie, BB McCullum*, BJ Watling†, TG Southee, BP Martin, N Wagner, TA Boult

Let's not underestimate NZ here. They are quite capable of pulling an upset with their good bowling.
 
Yes really good bowling attack, put a great show in SL recently, they were getting an insane amount of swing which trolled SL top order big time, both Southee and Bolt took quite few wickets at less than 15 the piece, quite some performance...

Want a 5-fer for Southee and a ton from KP. :D

No Bracewell ???
 
akheR said:
Yes really good bowling attack, put a great show in SL recently, they were getting an insane amount of swing which trolled SL top order big time, both Southee and Bolt took quite few wickets at less than 15 the piece, quite some performance...

Want a 5-fer for Southee and a ton from KP. :D

No Bracewell ???
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He got drunk at a party in his house and then stepped on broken glass or something while cleaning up.


Really stupidly silly injury.
 
Shayan said:
Wonder how serious this Swann injury is.
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It's recurring. It'll cause his retirement soon enough, though he hopes that he may get a year or two more out of it. He'll definitely miss some matches along the way though.
 
Could get us out for around 200 if we're not careful.

Gonna need a strong showing from our good batsmen in testing conditions (i.e. forget about Compton and Bell)
 
Bairstow scored 90 and 50 against SA in seaming conditions, why is he not in the side?
 
Peter Fulton? Lol this guys is awful. He was Gu'ls bunny.. this tells a lot..
 
Ruri said:
Because that's all he has done?
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There's a logic in a Bairstow selection here - he has a decent relatable record in similar conditions.

I know Nick is a nice bloke and everything but he's essentially done nothing to be selected. Except be a Saffer.
 
Some drizzle coming out, and covers probably coming out.

Welcome to cricket in New Zealand.
 
James said:
There's a logic in a Bairstow selection here - he has a decent relatable record in similar conditions.

I know Nick is a nice bloke and everything but he's essentially done nothing to be selected. Except be a Saffer.
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But one good innings at home are worth enough to dislodge Nick? Nick's done more during the same CC matches they've played. And he did enough in India.

Besides, that would mean moving Root to open, and why would you want to potentially throw Root in the deep end instead of where he has been good so far.
 
Compton needs a ton and a fifty on this tour or else this experiment was a waste. I support England so I hope he gets the job done.

No cricket tonight? Bedtime for me.
 
Typical, the test is being played in the only region of the country where it is cold/raining today. Everywhere else has good clear skies.
 
Bairstow only got one innings against India and failed against West Indies. But who really cares when he scored against the best attack when others were struggling.

If Bell has to be in the side, might as well open with him and get Compton out. Bell now opens in limited overs I believe, and he's an opener in domestic. Might as well just start opening in tests to avoid any sort of confusion. Especially now things have changed and he's keeping talented young middle order batsmen out now like Bairstow and perhaps possibly Taylor.
 
First delayed by bad light and now its rain so seems like a bad start of the series...
 
Bit of news, Graeme Swann, left out of this game due to injury, has been ruled out of the entire series and will fly to America to have surgery on his troublesome right elbow. James Tredwell will replace him in the squad.
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This looks more serious than it was shown. Will he miss a part of the Ashes? :13:
 
CricInfo:

Bit of news, Graeme Swann, left out of this game due to injury, has been ruled out of the entire series and will fly to America to have surgery on his troublesome right elbow. James Tredwell will replace him in the squad.
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It's a long-term chronic injury. Beginning of the end for a top bowler I'd say.
 
Ajmal is a chucker and his test wickets must be deleted from the records.
 
alberto said:
Ajmal is better than Swann.What do you think James?
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On the whole I believe Ajmal to be slightly better. But I don't understand why we have to do this in the NZ v England match thread. There are many relevant busy threads on it.
 
Might be ready by the end of the NZ series at home if the recovery period is kept to 2 months as Bresnan's was.

I hope they don't rush it and ruin it further. I'd like Swann to get a few more years in, maybe 2 before he retires. One of the England greats in terms of spin, we've have only a handful better.

Best strike rate for a spinner with over 150 wickets for England. As well as second most wickets for an English spinner.
 
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Panesar I suspect might be good enough now. He's certainly ready to step up against New Zealand - and if Graeme is going to struggle from now on in general, we're lucky to have such an improved ready-replacement as Monty.
 
I was enjoying the chat in the Studio! Swanny is a BIG loss for England. I'm not sure Monty will be as effective as the lone spinner.
 
Will be fascinating to see if Monty did well last year because he is Monty, or because he was bowling alongside Swann.
 
dell79 said:
I was enjoying the chat in the Studio! Swanny is a BIG loss for England. I'm not sure Monty will be as effective as the lone spinner.
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On the other hand, spinners are useless in NZ, so hopefully we'll see more of Jimmy and Finn and wont need Monty.
 
Ruri said:
On the other hand, spinners are useless in NZ, so hopefully we'll see more of Jimmy and Finn and wont need Monty.
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Talking more long term really, can't see Swanny coming back anytime soon.
 
how effed up is ICC's rating system. If this game produces no result due to the rain and England wins other two matches they would still lose points. #absurd.
 
So annoying. One of the driest summers ever in NZ and there is even drought in some areas but it rains in dunedin on this day of all days.
 
NZ pitches are ridiculously good for batting this year. Jamie How is on 213 not out in the 39th over of a domestic 50 over match lol.
 
England v New Zealand : 1st Test

Nzl won the toss ,chose to bowl & the whole day got rained out .
 
Rain huh?

New Zealand actually get a nice boost up in ranking points because of draws emanating out of their weather conditions, if you think about it.
 
And Panesar is named in the England eleven. Swann ruled out of the entire tour due to an elbow injury.
 
Space Cat said:
Don't be silly.
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I recall a draw against South Africa last year at this very ground - and they were the #2 team at the time. Surely NZ would have got a bunch of points for that.
 
Yea that was the first seriously rain effected test we had in quite some time. Its not like the weather is boosting us in the rankings we are languishing in 8th place.

Its annoying to lose a day in this test but with early starts and late finishes most of that day can be made up in the next 4 days providing the weather and light is good.
 
Well that was hilariously pointless.

4 day match, rough to get a result unless England collapses.
 
This could work in our favour. Hopefully the conditions on Day 2 will be more conducive to batting and we can play an aggressive Test match. Four 98-over days is still enough time to construct a result outside of the subcontinent.
 
James said:
This could work in our favour. Hopefully the conditions on Day 2 will be more conducive to batting and we can play an aggressive Test match. Four 98-over days is still enough time to construct a result outside of the subcontinent.
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Very true. But we're not the type to shoot people out for 47 within a few overs. We're more likely to to shoot them out consistently for 200 over the course of a day.

I wish we were bowling first. We'd know exactly how much we need to do. NZ has that advantage now.
 
If we put up 400 in 4 sessions then we can control the game from here. But yeah it will take a capitulation from one of the teams to encourage a result.
 
James said:
If we put up 400 in 4 sessions then we can control the game from here. But yeah it will take a capitulation from one of the teams to encourage a result.
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Putting up 400 in NZ is always tough with the conditions so conducive to bowling.

Batting last might give us a target to hit which would be easier than accumulating enough.
 
Ruri said:
Putting up 400 in NZ is always tough with the conditions so conducive to bowling.

Batting last might give us a target to hit which would be easier than accumulating enough.
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400 is getting put up in 50 over matches here this season. The pitches are flat all over.

The rain might get a tiny bit of moisture in the pitch though.
 
Should be able to get nearly 2 sessions of that day back with early starts and later finishes. Light and weather permitting.
 
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Space Cat said:
400 is getting put up in 50 over matches here this season. The pitches are flat all over.

The rain might get a tiny bit of moisture in the pitch though.
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Both sides have bowlers who love the red ball with swinging atmospheric over pitch conditions however. So I see 400 as a challenge.
 
Swann will now probably never get the chance to play a Test in NZ. Sad news both for cricket and for a quality bowler.

Anyway, there's a game to play. If the weather's good I think it all starts in half an hour?
 
James said:
Swann will now probably never get the chance to play a Test in NZ. Sad news both for cricket and for a quality bowler.

Anyway, there's a game to play. If the weather's good I think it all starts in half an hour?
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Yep, 10 AM start in NZ. Long day.
 
Boult was bringing the ball into the right hander in Sri Lanka. Let's see if he can do that here :13:
 
Inside edged onto stumps.


Chuck Compton. I'm done giving him another chance.
 
James said:
Yorkshire bias?
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He's Somerset!

Though if I had to bring on my Lancs bias, I would offer...


No, nevermind, Lancs has no batsmen, only all rounders and bowlers.


Still don't think Bairstow is the answer, but sadly our batting stocks are poor now.
 
Compton-is a Saffer, bats for England, bats like an Aussie(according to Gunther). He should act in the remake of the Terminal.
 
Good pace from Boult (140 last delivery), can swing it both ways but should target the right line.
 
I haven't seen much of Compton ,but I don't get why he keeps opening despite his failures.

Not International standard in my opinion....

I may be wrong though.
 
Dunedin not a great place for swing bowling but theres a bit there early on.
 
Hales has a similar FC numbers as Root. Ideally, in the long term I want Cook& Hales at the top with Root at one down.
 
Ruri said:
He's Somerset!

Though if I had to bring on my Lancs bias, I would offer...


No, nevermind, Lancs has no batsmen, only all rounders and bowlers.


Still don't think Bairstow is the answer, but sadly our batting stocks are poor now.
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If Bairstow works on his playing of spin then I think he could be a future number 3 for England. He showed against South Africa that he can handle pace bowling so he should be ideal for the Ashes when the Aussies come over with about 40 million different pace bowlers all capable of bowling with decent pace.

Root opening with Cook and Bairstow in at 6 would be my ideal team.
 
So bored :(

This is why I wanted to watch us bowl instead.

Trott and Cook, trying to grind against some good bowling.
 
MattyB said:
If Bairstow works on his playing of spin then I think he could be a future number 3 for England. He showed against South Africa that he can handle pace bowling so he should be ideal for the Ashes when the Aussies come over with about 40 million different pace bowlers all capable of bowling with decent pace.

Root opening with Cook and Bairstow in at 6 would be my ideal team.
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There is the short term and long term planning with regards to building a team for the future. Trott for the time being and Root/Bairstow/Hales 5-7 years down the line. But I am quite sure that in between, Mr. Ian Bell would like to have one more shot at the number 3 spot.
 
Ruri said:
So bored :(

This is why I wanted to watch us bowl instead.

Trott and Cook, trying to grind against some good bowling.
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It is the first hour against a goodish attack in overcast conditions.
 
Gunther said:
It is the first hour against a goodish attack in overcast conditions.
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Yes, and I am always rooting for us to bowl first. I enjoy bowling more than I do batting. And if you want a masterclass, it'll be Finn and Jimmy delivering it.
 
KP to come out and crack the sky after lunch...
 
Ruri said:
So bored :(

This is why I wanted to watch us bowl instead.

Trott and Cook, trying to grind against some good bowling.
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This isn't the IPL, they're not playing against medium pacers bowling half volleys on flat tracks. This is Test cricket at it's best. Conditions favouring the bowling side and two very good batsmen being forced to show their quality to just keep themselves at the crease.

The fact that you find this boring shows just how much of an effect that T20 tournaments have had on destroying cricket.
 
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