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New Zealand vs England | 1st Test | Dunedin | Mar 6-10, 2013

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It's about as English as it's ever been. We've always had a Commonwealth batting lineup, just the way our culture works.
 
How is Finny still out there?

Dear god what a pancake pitch.
 
Don't take it to heart, just wondering how good the current SA team would be if we had Trott instead of Alviro and KP instead of Elgar..... and if we could take Swann as a bonus....
 
vandokkum said:
Only 6 inches taller :p . Kp is a giant but Finn trounces him
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Is the difference that big ? They were standing next to each other (during drinks) and there wasn't THAT much of gulf between both... actually Broad looked taller than Finn to me.

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akheR said:
Is the difference that big ? They were standing next to each other (during drinks) and there wasn't THAT much of gulf between both... actually Broad looked taller than Finn to me.

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KP is standing straight and Finn is slouching.. I don't know I think there is 2/ 3 inches difference between them. When you are 6 feet 5 that's a big difference. Broad and Finn are probably same height
 
I don't understand why all our Saffas are batsmen and our bowlers are purely English.
 
There exists a very long legacy - going back to sometime before the War - of cricketers from other Commonwealth and ex-Commonwealth countries playing for England. Cricket was a game spread along with the British Empire, hence why it is popular in the former colonies. Therefore between Britain, and the likes of Ireland, Australasia, Southern Africa, West Indies and the Indian subcontinent, there are a lot of ethnic, cultural and national ties. Cricket is a very special and unique game in this way, with England's historically multiracial and multiethnic team one of the many by-products of that.
 
vandokkum said:
Strauss was also born in SA. So technically it's still the same, Compton came in for strauss
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i know he was, i'm saying that compton's game owes more to south african pitches and environment than strauss does because he learned the game there. and i dont care who his grandfather is he still sounds like a saffer to me.
 
LOL, Finn you beauty!!. The next Keith Miller maybe? (he will have to practise hard for the hair thing though :))
 
Ruri said:
I don't understand why all our Saffas are batsmen and our bowlers are purely English.
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Only the Saffer poshos have the money to emigrate. Batters tend to be posh; bowlers tend to be working class.
 
Ruri said:
I don't understand why all our Saffas are batsmen and our bowlers are purely English.
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Amongst the best fast bowlers who never played intl. cricket, Garth Le Roux, Mike Procter & Vince van der Bijl, were making headlines for their county/intl. cricketing performances (this one because he seems to scare the batsman more than Andy Roberts, the other because in county was getting better performances than Joel Garner, ...) I wonder why they weren't offered intl. cap ?

Don't know about the others, but at least Mike Procter was interested AFAIK, and if Allan Lamb earned an England cap for his county exploits the bowlers could have a chance too, England's team would have been a thousand times stronger.

Should have taken Barry Richards, Clive Rice & Eddie Barlow... too. :rondu
 
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Most English internationals are public schoolboys or hold dual nationality.

Not much room for home-bred lads from ordinary families in our team. Highly embarrassing.
 
James said:
Most English internationals are public schoolboys or hold dual nationality.

Not much room for home-bred lads from ordinary families in our team. Highly embarrassing.
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What do you mean by public schools? Is it like expensive private schools?
 
Kwremb said:
What do you mean by public schools? Is it like expensive private schools?
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Schools which are not funded by the government; i.e. private institutions that you have to pay for.

7% of the population attend public schools. They're generally very expensive, very good, and produce students strong in sports and academia who then attend the highly-rated Universities.

In turn, most of our politicians, journalists and other top earners come from public schools as well.

Very classist society.
 
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James said:
Schools which are not funded by the government; i.e. private institutions that you have to pay for.

7% of the population attend public schools. They're generally very expensive, very good, and produce students strong in sports and academia who then attend the highly-rated Universities.

In turn, most of our politicians, journalists and other top earners come from public schools as well.

Very classist society.
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Public school over here means government funded schools/ free schools... you just described private schools :asif
 
James said:
Schools which are not funded by the government; i.e. private institutions that you have to pay for.

7% of the population attend public schools. They're generally very expensive, very good, and produce students strong in sports and academia who then attend the highly-rated Universities.

In turn, most of our politicians, journalists and other top earners come from public schools as well.

Very classist society.
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You'd find it is the case in most countries, where there is money there is power
 
In the UK

Private schools = 'public schools'
Free schools = 'state schools'

State-schooled brethren can even struggle to get officer commissions in the armed forces. It's shameful.
 
Breaking News!! Trott will be deported back to South Africa after this tour. Finn will come in at 1st drop for the Ashes. You had it at PP first......
 
soso_killer said:
Breaking News!! Trott will be deported back to South Africa after this tour. Finn will come in at 1st drop for the Ashes. You had it at PP first......
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He is so patriotic to England that when he went to SA for his brother's wedding he didn't enjoy it all..... wouldnt want a person like that anywhere near my team.
 
Yeah Trott has been very anglicised. KP meanwhile is forever ambivalent but certainly likes the best of both :Kingsmill
 
James said:
In the UK

Private schools = 'public schools'
Free schools = 'state schools'

State-schooled brethren can even struggle to get officer commissions in the armed forces. It's shameful.
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no, seriously? I mean do people classify each other in certain codes in the UK? That is if you come from a government funded school you are treated as a 2nd grade citizen?
 
vandokkum said:
He is so patriotic to England that when he went to SA for his brother's wedding he didn't enjoy it all..... wouldnt want a person like that anywhere near my team.
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Lol, i remember that. He could not even stay here for a week.
 
soso_killer said:
no, seriously? I mean do people classify each other in certain codes in the UK? That is if you come from a government funded school you are treated as a 2nd grade citizen?
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Never officially - but by pure chance, having rich parents who got you a public school education to champion your University application and/or cricket potential/medical schooling/political career/officer commission always helps in England.
 
James said:
Never officially - but by pure chance, having rich parents who got you a public school education to champion your University application and/or cricket potential/medical schooling/political career/officer commission always helps in England.
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Where were you educated?
 
James said:
Schools which are not funded by the government; i.e. private institutions that you have to pay for.

7% of the population attend public schools. They're generally very expensive, very good, and produce students strong in sports and academia who then attend the highly-rated Universities.

In turn, most of our politicians, journalists and other top earners come from public schools as well.

Very classist society.
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Do you mean that cricket in England is somehow class oriented ?

That's quite interesting from a democratic country...

James said:
Yeah Trott has been very anglicised. KP meanwhile is forever ambivalent but certainly likes the best of both :Kingsmill
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KP too is desperate to show his 'patriotism' to England... watched an interview where the woman asked him if he felt any connection to South Africa and he looked like as if he was accused of mass-murder "I'm English... my mother's English... that's where I live and the country I play for..." that's fine, but the way he put it was very rude imo. :facepalm:

That whole attitude even created a controversy with Graeme Smith, and as much as KP the cricketer is one of my fav', I'm with the SA captain on that matter

"I'm patriotic about my country, and that's why I don't like Kevin Pietersen," Smith told Super Cricket. "The only reason that Kevin and I have never had a relationship is because he slated South Africa. It was his decision to leave and that's fine, but why does he spend so much time slating our country?"
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/258408.html
 
vandokkum said:
Where were you educated?
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Two state schools, and one of the newer Universities.

Generally if you don't go to public school and/or a redbrick Uni, the upper stratums become as good as impenetrable. We can argue this way and that about racial and gender discrimination in the UK, but what certainly exists is prejudice based upon your alma mater. I've seen it countless times and experienced it myself as well.

I still managed to land a good job in the financial sector, but many people get left behind.
 
James said:
Two state schools, and one of the newer Universities.

Generally if you don't go to public school and/or a redbrick Uni, the upper stratums become as good as impenetrable. We can argue this way and that about racial and gender discrimination in the UK, but what certainly exists is prejudice based upon your alma mater. I've seen it countless times and experienced it myself as well.

I still managed to land a good job in the financial sector, but many people get left behind.
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Hmmm very interesting
 
James said:
Two state schools, and one of the newer Universities.

Generally if you don't go to public school and/or a redbrick Uni, the upper stratums become as good as impenetrable. We can argue this way and that about racial and gender discrimination in the UK, but what certainly exists is prejudice based upon your alma mater. I've seen it countless times and experienced it myself as well.

I still managed to land a good job in the financial sector, but many people get left behind.
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Wow, that sounds messed up. I know plenty of poor people with GEDs getting masters/ phds from Harvard, Yale and going on to be politicians, judges etc.
 
Would you say the class divide is one of the reason that people still love the idea of the royal family and are keen to have it?
 
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akheR said:
Do you mean that cricket in England is somehow class oriented ?

That's quite interesting from a democratic country...



KP too is desperate to show his 'patriotism' to England... watched an interview where the woman asked him if he felt any connection to South Africa and he looked like as if he was accused of mass-murder "I'm English... my mother's English... that's where I live and the country I play for..." that's fine, but the way he put it was very rude imo. :facepalm:

That whole attitude even created a controversy with Graeme Smith, and as much as KP the cricketer is one of my fav', I'm with the SA captain on that matter



http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/258408.html
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Funnily enough, Pietersen is not exactly a favorite of the British public..
 
Kwremb said:
Would you say the class divide is one of the reason that people still love the idea of the royal family and are keen to have it?
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Nah...after the Diamond Jubilee a poll stated that 83% of the British population wished to keep the monarchy, and 83% of our population ain't rich! I think British people like tradition and see the Queen as a symbol of unity. More objectively, the monarchy also helps our tourism revenue and PR.
 
Shameful pitch lol...no more of these in this series please
 
akheR said:
Do you mean that cricket in England is somehow class oriented ?

That's quite interesting from a democratic country...
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unfortunately cricket has always been a middle class sport. Forget about the diplomatic answers such as "cricket equipment is expensive". The are people who want a certain type of audience and certain type of players regarding cricket. This is not just common in England only. Truth is cricket will never be as universal as football. Forget about the weather conditons etc. Anyone who can put two and two together will know what i'm talking about.
 
soso_killer said:
unfortunately cricket has always been a middle class sport. Forget about the diplomatic answers such as "cricket equipment is expensive". The are people who want a certain type of audience and certain type of players regarding cricket. This is not just common in England only. Truth is cricket will never be as universal as football. Forget about the weather conditons etc. Anyone who can put two and two together will know what i'm talking about.
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Imperial sport is imperial...

It's a magnificent game but a bit of a novelty really. Only England and Australia fills the grounds, although I've noticed attendance around the world is stronger when England is touring.
 
James said:
Imperial sport is imperial...

It's a magnificent game but a bit of a novelty really. Only England and Australia fills the grounds, although I've noticed attendance around the world is stronger when England is touring.
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Prices become much higher for tickets when the Barmy Army visits. Which is a shame, means fewer locals want to come.
 
Ruri said:
Prices become much higher for tickets when the Barmy Army visits. Which is a shame, means fewer locals want to come.
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We've toured Sri Lanka, India and New Zealand recently and the atmospheres have been brilliant. When anybody else tours these countries the grounds have squillions of empty seats.
 
James said:
We've toured Sri Lanka, India and New Zealand recently and the atmospheres have been brilliant. When anybody else tours these countries the grounds have squillions of empty seats.
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That might be fine, but imagine that the NZ locals have to pay 4 times as much for a ticket, and wont go to see their own country play as a result. And we wonder why interest is dying in countries not named England or Australia.

Should keep the prices the same in my opinion.
 
Finn for English Batting ATG.




Edit - Is anyone worried that our preoccupation with All-rounders will turn him into the Next Broad? Have him train batting till he becomes neither a bowler or batsman? I'm not that worried, but there's always a chance!
 
New ball taken. 22 overs and counting left if we get out completely in this over. With a lead of 117.
 
Match was done and dusted long time ago, they should just shake hands now and get this over with. England still have some issues with their batting that need to be settled, 2nd test will be interesting depending on the pitch, hopefully it won't be anything like this one.
 
It will be a draw. Difference between a result and draw was the fact it rained on day 1. Frustrating as a new zealand cricket fan since we hardly ever get to play the game. Just look at how many games cook has played compared to ross taylor.
 
Perhaps England should just keep batting to force the Kiwis to bowl more. 165 overs is quite a workload.
 
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