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New Zealand vs England | Final, World Cup | Lord's | 14th Jul, 2019 | New Zealand innings

Erasmus may have just sealed victory for England. Absolute howler. In real-time it was clearly going over the top.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes because Pakistan is a 6th ranked team and deserves to lose to high ranked teams.
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Going by that logic, England deserves to lose to Kiwis today because Kiwis have been more consistent than them throughout the history of the game and not just last 4 years.
 
Umpiring has been pathetic to say the least throughout the WC. It was clearly over the knee even if you see it live.

Such a shame that technology is here and it still cant be used to make correct decisions and fate of teams change due to such things.
 
Kiwi innings rests on Latham who seems to be the only one striking the ball well today.
 
looked high live. Very bad decision. Also commentators are completely ignoring it and praising England for picking up that wicket. cricket broadcasting is so so dull now-a-days
 
Mamoon said:
Yes because Pakistan is a 6th ranked team and deserves to lose to high ranked teams.
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You judge teams based on how good they look on paper, which is a simplistic way of looking at cricket. India lost because they were awful in the 2nd innings and not because of rain. Stop complaining because India lost.

And please elaborate on why Pakistan DESERVES to lose because they're ranked 6th in the ODI ranking? In that case, ICC should've handed over the WC trophy to England before the WC even started because "lower ranked teams don't deserve to win against higher ranked teams".
 
Madplayer said:
Going by that logic, England deserves to lose to Kiwis today because Kiwis have been more consistent than them throughout the history of the game and not just last 4 years.
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England have made more finals than them. Anyway, I prefer to look at the present. Can’t bash current players for the failures of their predecessors. England’s underachievement is not the fault of these players.
 
Poor umpiring, rain and players cant even say a word or look another player in the eye without getting penalized and cricket administrators expect that cricket will increase its reach.

Most of the things are just poor plaining and can easily be prevented.
 
AdamM97 said:
You judge teams based on how good they look on paper, which is a simplistic way of looking at cricket. India lost because they were awful in the 2nd innings and not because of rain. Stop complaining because India lost.

And please elaborate on why Pakistan DESERVES to lose because they're ranked 6th in the ODI ranking? In that case, ICC should've handed over the WC trophy to England before the WC even started because "lower ranked teams don't deserve to win against higher ranked teams".
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Why do you give him time and day, clearly Boriya maa ra ha hein.
 
AdamM97 said:
You judge teams based on how good they look on paper, which is a simplistic way of looking at cricket. India lost because they were awful in the 2nd innings and not because of rain. Stop complaining because India lost.

And please elaborate on why Pakistan DESERVES to lose because they're ranked 6th in the ODI ranking? In that case, ICC should've handed over the WC trophy to England before the WC even started because "lower ranked teams don't deserve to win against higher ranked teams".
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Consistency should be rewarded. Pakistan deserved nothing in this World Cup because they have been pathetic for 2 years.

You cannot walk into the World Cup as a 6th ranked team with a 13 match losing streak, hoping that everything will fall in place even though you have not worked to change anything.

That is why I refused to support Pakistan in this World Cup. We need to change our culture and hope to achieve consistency by hard work.
 
Neesham is showing some intent which is good to see. Seemed the rest of the NZ batters were happy to plod along to a par or just under par score.

It's a WC final. Believe in yourself and put some pressure on England.
 
Titan24 said:
Poor umpiring, rain and players cant even say a word or look another player in the eye without getting penalized and cricket administrators expect that cricket will increase its reach.

Most of the things are just poor plaining and can easily be prevented.
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Commentators also cant say anything interesting. Icc somehow expects us to listen to isha guha/Saurav in a WC final
 
Shocking umpiring in the final. Seems the pressure of the final has got to the umpires as well.
 
Mamoon said:
England have made more finals than them.
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Kiwis have 64% win record in world cups and are at number 2. Where is England? Absolutely nowhere.


Anyway, I prefer to look at the present. Can’t bash current players for the failures of their predecessors. England’s underachievement is not the fault of these players.
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So why dont you look at what happens in present i.e. the match day rather than saying Pakistan deserves to lose because of their bad performances in the past??
 
ishtiaq_ctg said:
Commentators also cant say anything interesting. Icc somehow expects us to listen to isha guha/Saurav in a WC final
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Exactly. On what basis Sourav Ganguly gets to speak in a commentary box is beyond me, yes he was a decent player and so were many others who can atleast change their tone, excitement with situation and can analsyze things properly while creating bit of thrill at the same time.

Mismanagement has been at its finest in terms of ICC and whoever decides the commentators.
 
Pakistan vs Zimbabwe match will have more views and pages by now.


People aren't really interested :))
 
Madplayer said:
Kiwis have 64% win record in world cups and are at number 2. Where is England? Absolutely nowhere.




So why dont you look at what happens in present i.e. the match day rather than saying Pakistan deserves to lose because of their bad performances in the past??
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No one cares about overall win percentage. If you don’t win or make the final, hardly anyone remembers your campaign.

Our present is crap as well. Our World Cup ended in the very first match itself. Besides, this team is responsible for Pakistan’s poor performances in the last two years, so they didn’t deserve to get lucky in the World Cup.
 
battler said:
Shocking umpiring in the final. Seems the pressure of the final has got to the umpires as well.
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While technology was there to make it right as well. Funny thing is in T20s you get 1 review and same thing is being done in 50 overs WC when there should have been atleast two.
 
shah_1 said:
Pakistan vs Zimbabwe match will have more views and pages by now.


People aren't really interested :))
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People are waiting for England to stutter so that they can start their bhangra of how they are chokers and bottlers.
 
If England wins the WC

What's the percentage of people really caring about it?
 
Latham should open the innings. Nicholls is better suited to play in the middle-order.
 
Mamoon said:
Your misery will end in a few hours. I hope you will be able to cope with the pain of seeing the mental midgets and chokers lift the World Cup.
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Where do you hide when all these predictions of yours fail?
Why you take a leave of 2-3 days
 
Mamoon said:
Your misery will end in a few hours. I hope you will be able to cope with the pain of seeing the mental midgets and chokers lift the World Cup.
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You are too attached with two teams that one is knocked by New Zealand while the other is on the way judging by the pitch where England batsmen have forgotten how to bat after exposed to dead end pitch for years. This is New Zealand pitch and their bowlers will choke England batsmen who are useless without flat track.
 
Hasan123 said:
Latham is better versus spin. Nichols may struggle if he had to start versus spin.
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Latham is being underutilized in this role. He can utilize PP overs better. New Zealand need a couple of young batsmen after this World Cup.
 
Mamoon said:
No one cares about overall win percentage. If you don’t win or make the final, hardly anyone remembers your campaign.

Our present is crap as well. Our World Cup ended in the very first match itself. Besides, this team is responsible for Pakistan’s poor performances in the last two years, so they didn’t deserve to get lucky in the World Cup.
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You do care about win percentages because you care about rankings which are based on win percentages. Nz made the final last world cup. When was the last time England made a worls cup final? Oh right, 27 years ago. Based on that alone kiwis deserve it more.

You had decided to not support Pakistan before the world cup started. So you cant even use the excuse that "our present is crap as well" because you had left the team even before the tournament started. It means you have different rules for Pakistan. You are clearly not consistent with what you are saying.
 
mgtow said:
You are too attached with two teams that one is knocked by New Zealand while the other is on the way judging by the pitch where England batsmen have forgotten how to bat after exposed to dead end pitch for years. This is New Zealand pitch and their bowlers will choke England batsmen who are useless without flat track.
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I have no attachment to either. I like India because admire their cricket culture and how they have transformed their mentality in the last 15 odd years.

I like England for a personal reason and also because I respect the hard work they have put in to turn things around in ODIs.

I don’t feel sad when they lose though.
 
Mamoon said:
Latham is being underutilized in this role. He can utilize PP overs better. New Zealand need a couple of young batsmen after this World Cup.
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Blundell will be one. I don't know much about NZ domestic cricket to be honest.
 
Poor shot by Neesham. NZ need to ensure they don't lose wickets. Or else 250 will become hard for them.
 
Like i said, kiwi innings depends on Latham. Latham has grossly underachieved in his career so far.
 
A very bad umpiring decision and now, a stupid shot by Neesham who was looking so good. The Kiwis may as well go hell for leather now.
 
NZ should look to get to 240 in order to have a chance. The pitch isnt great to bat on but it isnt the worse either.
 
Madplayer said:
You do care about win percentages because you care about rankings which are based on win percentages. Nz made the final last world cup. When was the last time England made a worls cup final? Oh right, 27 years ago. Based on that alone kiwis deserve it more.

You had decided to not support Pakistan before the world cup started. So you cant even use the excuse that "our present is crap as well" because you had left the team even before the tournament started. It means you have different rules for Pakistan. You are clearly not consistent with what you are saying.
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I care about rankings not win percentages in World Cups. England have worked hard to become the #1 team and they deserve it.

You are right, I decided not to support Pakistan because they didn’t deserve anything from this World Cup based on how awful they have been in the last 2 years.

I didn’t use the present excuse. You were the one who brought it up. I simply said that even if we were to focus on the present, our team doesn’t deserve anything.
 
Only one time it has happened throughout this tournament that Johnny Bairstow misfielded otherwise any ball going towards boundary he stops it.

Saved 24+ runs in the tournament
 
Mamoon said:
I have no attachment to either. I like India because admire their cricket culture and how they have transformed their mentality in the last 15 odd years.

I like England for a personal reason and also because I respect the hard work they have put in to turn things around in ODIs.

I don’t feel sad when they lose though.
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It is hardly hard work when you have ICC with you on the large grand scheme of the game policy and the pitch condition the way that suits England and India. In challenging pitch, both are useless and already certified choker. One is out while other is on the way. Thanks to rain, the English batsmen will be tested. And could very well be repeat of WC 92 final. :D
 
Run a ball from here can lead NZ to 240. They should try to play next 5 overs run a ball and get to around 210 in 45 ideally without loosing wickets and then after that they can go for attack.
 
Who would have thought in 2005 that Plunkett would potentially bowl a match-winning spell in the 2019 World Cup Final.

What a story.
 
Mamoon said:
I care about rankings not win percentages in World Cups. England have worked hard to become the #1 team and they deserve it.
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Let me get this clear. You care about rankings and you care about making world cup finals? And you care about present not past? Yet you declare that Nz or Pakistan dont deserve to win the world cup because England have made 1 world cup final 27 years ago, have worked hard in last 4 years and they deserve to win it even if they play poorly in present (today)? Contradictions galore.

You are right, I decided not to support Pakistan because they didn’t deserve anything from this World Cup based on how awful they have been in the last 2 years.
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But you said you dont care about the past and just the present? So why do you care about what Pakistan did in past and not concentrate on present (match days)?

I didn’t use the present excuse. You were the one who brought it up. I simply said that even if we were to focus on the present, our team doesn’t deserve anything.
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You said you only care about present. Yet when it came to Pakistan, you stopped suporting them based on past performances rather than waiting for them to actually play a game in present.
 
Plunkett was a big part of Eng LOI success. Eng dropped him too early and that caused them a lot of hiccups to make the finals and that too after he got 2/37 against SA.
 
Hasan123 said:
[MENTION=5495]Boi[/MENTION] Moen should he placing instead of Wood. :))) :))) .

Thankfully for Englands sake they select the team on merit and not on pleasing Moen fan club.
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Can't wait for [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] to show up after the conclusion of this final, to tell us how Moeen deserves to be a World Cup winner :))
 
Titan24 said:
Plunkett was a big part of Eng LOI success. Eng dropped him too early and that caused them a lot of hiccups to make the finals and that too after he got 2/37 against SA.
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I'm so happy England decided not to play him against us last month. Plunkett is their main wicket taker in the middle overs.
 
Extremely difficult for Kiwis here to reach 240.

Anything less than 260, they're short.
 
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