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Must-win for Pakistan, but it looks tough as all the momentum is with New Zealand at the moment.
 
Momentum doesn't matter. We have too much dead weight and The Revolutionary has selected equally crap replacements and none for pacers at all. Freaking genius.
 
Until they make hard decisions they will continue to lose.
They need to drop Azhar, Malik, and hafeez.
What will probably happen is that fakhar will come back, Malik will be benched and Harris will get a run. Pakistan will still lose
 
The bowling has been poor to Guptill. The short ball is a wicket taking delivery against him.
 
I'd make two changes. Fakhar and Yamin in for Azhar and Rumman.

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Shadab
Sarfraz*+
Yamin
Faheem
Hasan
M. Amir

Another option is replacing Imam with Haris and opening with Babar/Hafeez; But imo that would be a bit unfair on the youngster and personally don't see it happening.
 
I'd make two changes. Fakhar and Yamin in for Azhar and Rumman.

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Shadab
Sarfraz*+
Yamin
Faheem
Hasan
M. Amir

Another option is replacing Imam with Haris and opening with Babar/Hafeez; But imo that would be a bit unfair on the youngster and personally don't see it happening.

This would possibly the deepest lineup Pak. would have ever played. With Amir (has multiple fifties) coming at 11. So no excuse in not accelerating the run rate.

Batsman need to stop tuk tuk

Babar, Malik and Sarfraz all need scores. No point in showing up after the series is all over.
 
I'd make two changes. Fakhar and Yamin in for Azhar and Rumman.

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Shadab
Sarfraz*+
Yamin
Faheem
Hasan
M. Amir

Another option is replacing Imam with Haris and opening with Babar/Hafeez; But imo that would be a bit unfair on the youngster and personally don't see it happening.
Malik should bat below aamir, though
 
Ideally you’d want Rumman to get ‘injured’ :hafeez , thus allowing us to induct an actual third pacer and not some dibbly dobbler pretending to be a cricketer.

Also need to chuck out Azhar and induct Haris, beyond me why he’s still on the bench. I do feel that the management is still on cloud nine after the CT, and they believe that this is a lineup that can compete against the best. Maybe this is the wake up call they needed, then again this is the PCB we’re not talking about, they’ve instilled this notion that if the team is performing badly it is due to the lack of experience. Hence, after this series I won’t be suprised one bit if a dud like Kami made a comeback, again...
 
Ideally you’d want Rumman to get ‘injured’ :hafeez , thus allowing us to induct an actual third pacer and not some dibbly dobbler pretending to be a cricketer.

Also need to chuck out Azhar and induct Haris, beyond me why he’s still on the bench. I do feel that the management is still on cloud nine after the CT, and they believe that this is a lineup that can compete against the best. Maybe this is the wake up call they needed, then again this is the PCB we’re not talking about, they’ve instilled this notion that if the team is performing badly it is due to the lack of experience. Hence, after this series I won’t be suprised one bit if a dud like Kami made a comeback, again...

Told you that both our quality seniors would get out to spinners
 
Tough to choose between CDG and Astle... should look to hopefully seal the series next match and then rotate players.
 
Also I do feel Hasan is lacking a bit of rhythm, playing in useless tournaments like the BPL and T10 are taking the toll on his body. It is beyond me why the PCB gave Hasan an NOC to participate in the HK Blitz, that too straight after a tour consisting of 5 ODI’s and 3 T20’s.
 
While I agree with this, but I can’t see on this tour why he should go before Malik or even hafeez

Both malik and hafeez can actually play modern cricket. ( Most time they dont actually do it sadly but they have the range and the shots. They can take spinners on, drive pacers and run quick singles)

Azhar is stagnant and archaic. Simply does not posses the game modern cricket demands
 
Also I do feel Hasan is lacking a bit of rhythm, playing in useless tournaments like the BPL and T10 are taking the toll on his body. It is beyond me why the PCB gave Hasan an NOC to participate in the HK Blitz, that too straight after a tour consisting of 5 ODI’s and 3 T20’s.

totally agree. He needs to be looked after better
Hes Gonna play PSL too. If he gets injured, we lose any zip that we have in our attack
 
Both malik and hafeez can actually play modern cricket. ( Most time they dont actually do it sadly but they have the range and the shots. They can take spinners on, drive pacers and run quick singles)

Azhar is stagnant and archaic. Simply does not posses the game modern cricket demands
Hafeez and Malik cannot play well when (a) the heat is on and (b) when facing high quality bowling. I know you think hafeez acauited himself today but his entire career is littered with useless innings like where he throws it away rather than seeing the team through
 
Hafeez and Malik cannot play well when (a) the heat is on and (b) when facing high quality bowling. I know you think hafeez acauited himself today but his entire career is littered with useless innings like where he throws it away rather than seeing the team through

I agree Hafeez kind of threw it away at a crucial point today but there was intent. Right from the start, there was a purpose to what he was doing. Same with Malik. Azhar shows no intent to even score. His power game is non existant.

Secondly, Malik has performed a lot when the heat is on and Hafeez has played good knocks against Quality attacks in difficult conditions ( look up his innings against India ( 2013 series) in 2nd t20) Sublime stroke play.

While not ideal, Hafeez and Malik justify their place way better than Azhar
 
I agree Hafeez kind of threw it away at a crucial point today but there was intent. Right from the start, there was a purpose to what he was doing. Same with Malik. Azhar shows no intent to even score. His power game is non existant.

Secondly, Malik has performed a lot when the heat is on and Hafeez has played good knocks against Quality attacks in difficult conditions ( look up his innings against India ( 2013 series) in 2nd t20) Sublime stroke play.

While not ideal, Hafeez and Malik justify their place way better than Azhar
Oh bhai, Malik and Hafeez have been showing intent for 15 years. There’s no upside. Fakhar zaman has down more in 15 matches than these clowns will do in a lifetime
 
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Oh bhai, Malik and Hafeez have been showing intent for 15 years. There’s no upside. Fakhar zaman has down more in 15 matches than these clowns will do in a lifetime

It is all relative though. I hope we get Fakhar like young replacements for Hafeez and Malik but for the time being the worst player we have is Azhar Ali who should not be even playing limited overs cricket

My issue is that we cannot group all three together. Azhar hasnt even tried and it is unfair to group people like Hafeez with him
 
It is all relative though. I hope we get Fakhar like young replacements for Hafeez and Malik but for the time being the worst player we have is Azhar Ali who should not be even playing limited overs cricket

My issue is that we cannot group all three together. Azhar hasnt even tried and it is unfair to group people like Hafeez with him
How is it unfair on Hafeez to group him with Azhar? He averages 32 FGS, only ever turns up when his position in the team is in doubt.
 
Malik to be thrown out of the team BEFORE Azhar in ODIs??? Lol. That has to be the best joke of the last 2 years.
 
New Zealand is absolutely dominating this weak bunch. Azhar Ali and Babar Azam have been awful to say the least. When two out your top three have done absolutely nothing, you will be in deep trouble. Malik, Hafeez and Sarfraz are also not contributing as they should after we have lost two early wickets. The batting has been exposed ruthlessly by the Kiwis.
 
And just like that Pakistan has gone mediocre again, was good while it lasted
 
Both Azhar, Hafeez and Malim will be retained, Fakhar and Yamin may replace Imam and Raes
 
Dunedin residents are being urged to roll out a big southern welcome for the New Zealand and Pakistan cricket teams when they arrive in the city tomorrow ahead of their one day international cricket fixture this weekend.

The BLACKCAPS arrive at 1.40pm and the Pakistan team at 5.05pm on Wednesday, 10 January at the Dunedin International Airport.

The Dunedin City Council is encouraging fans to get dressed up and head out to the airport to welcome both teams.

The King’s and Queen’s High Schools’ Kapa Haka group, He Waka Kōtuia, will welcome the teams and a lone piper will pipe the players through the terminal.

Mayor of Dunedin Dave Cull says, "Summer is synonymous with cricket, and the grass embankments at the University of Otago Oval provide ideal vantage points to watch all the action from.

"I’m sure both the BLACKCAPS and Pakistan will be eager to put on a good spectacle to entertain the Dunedin and visiting public," he says.

The one day international will be held at the University of Otago Oval on Saturday, 13 January.

http://www.voxy.co.nz/sport/5/301431
 
Pakistan will be definitely be a lot better with Fakhar in the top order.

Hopefully he's back for the next game.

Hasan Ali has also impressed, the series is still very much alive IMO.
 
If Fakhar Zaman is fit, he obviously has to come back in for Imam.

Raees looks out of rhythm, maybe's he's not 100% fit but he seems to be a liability atm. I say take him out of the firing line and give Aamer Yamin a go.
 
Rumman out Yamin in with Hasan Ali pairing up with Amir with the new ball.


Fakhar in Imam out.



We should not panic.



Today's loss was because of poor & very soft dismissals of Hafeez & Sarfraz & & Rumman's poor show.



We are lacking rhythm in both bowling and batting department.



Azhar & Malik must score 50 plus in next game otherwise Haris will challenge them for a spot in playing 11.



Good Luck Green Team.
 
Same team like 1st ODI - only Fakhar replaces Imam. The golden rule is - you don’t change a losing combination until they win at some point.
 
5-0 is on the cards, and richly deserved as well. It is too easy for NZ.
 
If Fakhar Zaman is fit, he obviously has to come back in for Imam.

Raees looks out of rhythm, maybe's he's not 100% fit but he seems to be a liability atm. I say take him out of the firing line and give Aamer Yamin a go.
When do we get to know if he will be fit or not?
 
Which non-existent ropes are those? New Zealand has smashed us in both games. No excuses.
There are a few posters here who have tried to discredit our wins by bringing up rain.

They either genuinely believe that or are whinding me up on purpose.

In any case, I've made sure to rub it in :bm
 
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Need to play a stronger batting line up. Fahim needs to become our third pacer he doesnt hold down a batting slot alone (outperformed by shadab too) and yet not awful with the ball (he’s outbowled Raees.

Id play
1. Fakhar
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Malik
6. Sarfraz
7. Yamin
8. Shadab
9. Fakhar
10. Amir
11. Hasan

Might even go for a proper bat over Yamin but we dont really have any in the squad. An umar akmal or sohaib maqsood in form would probably suit that 7th position more but theyre not in contention/form atm.
 
Nah, rain saved us in both games.

Pakistan had us on the ropes on both occassions..

Are you guys experimenting? Why is Milne and Henry not playing considering Pakistani batsmen struggle against pace. It's surprising to see Pakistani batting failing despite having to face two spinners and rookie bowler on these flat pitches.
 
Need to play a stronger batting line up. Fahim needs to become our third pacer he doesnt hold down a batting slot alone (outperformed by shadab too) and yet not awful with the ball (he’s outbowled Raees.

Id play
1. Fakhar
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Malik
6. Sarfraz
7. Yamin
8. Shadab
9. Fakhar
10. Amir
11. Hasan

Might even go for a proper bat over Yamin but we dont really have any in the squad. An umar akmal or sohaib maqsood in form would probably suit that 7th position more but theyre not in contention/form atm.
That looks like a much stronger line up, I can't see Pakistan being 3 down for nothing with it. This team should be able to score 280+ quite easily.
 
Are you guys experimenting? Why is Milne and Henry not playing considering Pakistani batsmen struggle against pace. It's surprising to see Pakistani batting failing despite having to face two spinners and rookie bowler on these flat pitches.
I'd say this is pretty much a full strength XI.

CdG/Anderson/Astle could go either way and I prefer Ryder to Nicols. Ryder is unlikely though with his history.
 
It's now or never for Pakistan if they want to keep this series alive so they need to be proactive and drop any deadweight from the team. 3 changes for me:

Azhar OUT - Fakhar IN
Imam OUT - Haris IN
Raees OUT - Yamin IN

Have Babar open with Fakhar (which he's practically been doing) and slot Haris in at 3. Yamin would be handy in these conditions with the ball plus he's a capable lower order batsman.

1) Fakhar
2) Babar
3) Haris
4) Hafeez (would ideally want Sarfraz batting here but oh well...it's not happening)
5) Malik
6) Sarfraz
7) Shadab
8) Faheem
9) Yamin
10) Hassan
11) Amir

Best XI from this squad imo. Swap Hafeez and Sarfraz's positions and it'd do pretty well.
 
Until they make hard decisions they will continue to lose.
They need to drop Azhar, Malik, and hafeez.
What will probably happen is that fakhar will come back, Malik will be benched and Harris will get a run. Pakistan will still lose

Dropping Azhar Hafeez Malik is not at all a hard decision

It’s the easiest decision in the world that a 5 year old can realize, unless of course he’s scared of senior culture and what these players will say once they inevitably become “experts” on TV channels
 
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Are you guys experimenting? Why is Milne and Henry not playing considering Pakistani batsmen struggle against pace. It's surprising to see Pakistani batting failing despite having to face two spinners and rookie bowler on these flat pitches.

Is it really surprising to see this Pakistani batting fail? Did you really expect a team filled with guys who have averages in the 30s with SRs of 74 to score 300+ anywhere outside the UAE?

That’s not happening, doesn’t matter how weak the bowling is

I’m surprised NZ isn’t experimenting more. They should have some of their U-19 players playing here
 
Is it really surprising to see this Pakistani batting fail? Did you really expect a team filled with guys who have averages in the 30s with SRs of 74 to score 300+ anywhere outside the UAE?

That’s not happening, doesn’t matter how weak the bowling is

I’m surprised NZ isn’t experimenting more. They should have some of their U-19 players playing here

Ohh common... that u19 comment is really a poor joke.
 
Well result is not going to Change in next match.Mediocre batting lineup with bowling is not world class either.First of all rumman trundler raees should be kicked and include amir yamin and azhar Ali and imam should be dropped too
 
Rumman isn't good enough.

Bring in Yamin.

Anything less than 300 is very easy to chase for NZ on these grounds.
 
Ohh common... that u19 comment is really a poor joke.

Why?

When is the last time you saw Azhar, Hafeez, Malik score consistently against a top ODI bowling attack? Especially outside Asia

And dont even mention the CT. Yeah Azhar had an average of 45, but he also had a SR of 74. If not for Fakhar, Pakistan would still be struggling with scores like 240

I genuinely think if NZ played 1 or 2 of their U19 fast bowler in this series, some of our more experienced players would have really struggled.

No joke here, friend
 
My xi would be the following -

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Mohammad Hafeez
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Shadab Khan
7. Fahim Ashraf
8. Hasan Ali
9. Amir Yamin/Rumman Raees
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Sarfraz Ahmed (C) (WK)
 
Why?

When is the last time you saw Azhar, Hafeez, Malik score consistently against a top ODI bowling attack? Especially outside Asia

And dont even mention the CT. Yeah Azhar had an average of 45, but he also had a SR of 74. If not for Fakhar, Pakistan would still be struggling with scores like 240

I genuinely think if NZ played 1 or 2 of their U19 fast bowler in this series, some of our more experienced players would have really struggled.

No joke here, friend

They thrashed NZ XI team few days ago which contained best performers of this domestic season.
U19 guys are kids, who will be thrashed to every nook and corner of ground and will make them depressed and may even result in their career getting finished even b4 starting.
There is a huge gulf bw domestic and international forget about U19 players.
 
They thrashed NZ XI team few days ago which contained best performers of this domestic season.
U19 guys are kids, who will be thrashed to every nook and corner of ground and will make them depressed and may even result in their career getting finished even b4 starting.
There is a huge gulf bw domestic and international forget about U19 players.

I'm talking about Pakistani batsmen vs opposition here

And from what I remember, other than Azhar and Fakhar, there wasn't a whole lot of 'thrashing' by the Pakistani batting in that game- particularly by the aforementioned vets Malik and Hafeez
 
To be honest I didn't expect us to Do well in this series, I was pretty inclined to the feeling that Pakistan team will be found wanting especially in the batting and the type of batting we have is definently not what modern batting is about .

New Zealand have some really good players and it was always gonna be a tough call playing them on their patch
 
Rumman has been extremely poor, surprisingly. Will give him one more match before bringing in yamim
 
Boult , Southee and Express Ferguson supplmeneted by good spinners make NZ a really good attack. Better than ours for the conditions even
 
Is it really surprising to see this Pakistani batting fail? Did you really expect a team filled with guys who have averages in the 30s with SRs of 74 to score 300+ anywhere outside the UAE?

That’s not happening, doesn’t matter how weak the bowling is

I’m surprised NZ isn’t experimenting more. They should have some of their U-19 players playing here

Actually yes. Pakistani batting failing despite NZ having only Boult as a genuine pacer is really embarrassing. Southee may be good but he is on a decline and they are playing two genuine spinners and a newbie..yet our batting has embarrassing reading of 100 odd for 5 wickets down in half overs. I know our batting is poor but this is not a strong bowling line up they are facing. Hasan and Shadab proved that.
 
Malik fans must be hiding in some corner. The guy has stretched his career with his smartness Bravo!!!!

Hafeez on the other hand is just don't want to go away(he scored 60 I know still he is useless without his bowling). Azhar is just riding on his test credential in UAE. I mean comon Micky can't you see all these things. We need fire power top of the order.

Can't the management see that stats of first 10 overs when players like Fakhar/Sharjeel were there. I mean seriously???
 
To be honest I didn't expect us to Do well in this series, I was pretty inclined to the feeling that Pakistan team will be found wanting especially in the batting and the type of batting we have is definently not what modern batting is about .

New Zealand have some really good players and it was always gonna be a tough call playing them on their patch

The major problem with most of our batsmen in this current line up is that they dominate spinners and kind of see off the pacers as their skills against fast bowling is pretty limited, the pull shot,the cut and drives are missing so they just tuk tuk. This is why when they see a spinner they attack him to boost their strike rate. Until we don't get good batsmen against pace we will keep seeing this sorry scorecard.
 
Fakhar Zaman
babaar azam
Harris Sohail
Sarfaraz Ahmed
Mohammad hafeez
Shadab Khan
Amir Yaminne
Fahim Ashraf
Amir
hassan
Ruman
 
Azhar has basically become a bunny because he keeps playing across the line from the first over. Really disappointing that our batsman haven't even looked much into the conditions before coming out to bat
 
Momentum doesn't matter. We have too much dead weight and The Revolutionary has selected equally crap replacements and none for pacers at all. Freaking genius.

Why Inzi selected Mohammad Nawaz for this tour and not a pacer? :facepalm: times millions.
Its mind-boggling that Inzi is getting away with taking such a bad decision.
 
There are a few posters here who have tried to discredit our wins by bringing up rain.

They either genuinely believe that or are whinding me up on purpose.

In any case, I've made sure to rub it in :bm

You cannot term them both as equal WINS. There was a drastic difference between the match situations when the rain occured even if end results were same.

First game we had lost in the first over , rain or no rain

However, second game, Pak had the momentum, removing centurian Kane, that low order recovery as well as Munro for Duck had set it up nicely for Shadab and maybe Malik to put a spin strangle on a drying, two paced surface. Guptill was having back problems as well and prob would not have lasted long if he didnt get a huge physio table break ( his words).

2nd Game was on it s way to be a close one by the looks of it
 
Sarfaraz still has time an influence to turn this around.
bat at 4
drop malik and azhar and confine hafeez to 6 and kick him out if he fails.
open with fakhar and take a punt on ashraf as opener. imam is rubbish
 
There are a few posters here who have tried to discredit our wins by bringing up rain.

They either genuinely believe that or are whinding me up on purpose.

In any case, I've made sure to rub it in :bm

Well these bilateral series are the only solace that NZ team and fans have since you never win any world events.
 
The major problem with most of our batsmen in this current line up is that they dominate spinners and kind of see off the pacers as their skills against fast bowling is pretty limited, the pull shot,the cut and drives are missing so they just tuk tuk. This is why when they see a spinner they attack him to boost their strike rate. Until we don't get good batsmen against pace we will keep seeing this sorry scorecard.

Babar used to very good against pace especially driving down the ground. he has only had one legit failure so hopefully he comes good
 
The major problem with most of our batsmen in this current line up is that they dominate spinners and kind of see off the pacers as their skills against fast bowling is pretty limited, the pull shot,the cut and drives are missing so they just tuk tuk. This is why when they see a spinner they attack him to boost their strike rate. Until we don't get good batsmen against pace we will keep seeing this sorry scorecard.

hafeez and malik were dismisses by spinners.
 
Make three changes: 1) Haris for Azhar 2) Fakhar for Imam 3) Yamin for Malik

1. Fakhar
2. Babar
3. Haris
4. Sarfaraz
5. Hafeez
6. Yamin
7. Faheem
8. Shadab
9. Hassan
10. Amir
11. Rumman

Following changes need to be made:
1. Babar is basically opening with Azhar getting out within the first 4 overs, and so I would just open with Babar and play Haris at number 3. Fakhar can go strong with Babar playing the accumulator role perfectly.

2. Sarfaraz needs to bat at number four and take his time playing in. He needs to be back in form so that he is more confident in his captaincy. He is a natural strike rotater, and this role is perfect for him.

3. Shoaib Malik has had an excellent comeback in ODIs and is averaging more than 50 since his comeback, but the guy cannot play in bouncy fast pitches against pace bowling. He should be substituted for this series with another batsman. The only other batsman we have is Yamin at this moment. We should have selected Sohaib Maqsood for this role.

4. Hafeez is a beast on New Zealand pitches and his 50 in the 2nd ODI confirms that. He should bat at 5 or 6 and come in only after 37-38 overs so that he can play a quickfire cameo. This should be his role in New Zealand, and in England.

To be honest and frank, you win some and you lose some. But if Pakistan management don’t change their ways of selecting seniors, then Pakistan will go back to being garbage and mediocre and back to number 8 or 9 in the world. They need to let the youngsters play their natural game. We got Faheem, Fakhar, Shadab, Hassan, and more in the past 15 months in our team. More youngsters need to come in.
 
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Fakhar
Hafeez
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Shadab
Faheem
Yamin
Hasan
Amir

Enough. We need to open with Amir and Hasan and attack upfront.

Batsmen need to back themselves and play positively if we are to save the series.
 
I would go with this

Zaman
Sarfaraz
Azam
Haris
Hafeez
Malik
Shadab
Yamin
Faheem
Hassan Ali
Amir
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And the last time Pakistan beat New Zealand in a ODI was 1122 days ago (14 December 2014). Last 9 ODIs against New Zealand - lost 8 with 1 match abandoned <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/950787061233176576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Shoaib
Hafeez
Shadab
Faheem
Hassan
Amir
Rumman

Opening bowlers will be Hassan and Amir because Rumman just puts extra pressure on Amir by leaking runs, plus he's better at death bowling with his slower ones

I chose Babar alongside Fakhar because he's perhaps the best player of pace bowling in the squad right now alongside Fakhar, in case a wicket is lost early on, there will be another good player of pace bowling that is Haris who alongside Fakhar and Babar will see out the fast bowler with decent strike rates then the seniors can attack the spinners with run rate and wickets in hand. The lower order makes sure a decent start will be rewarded with a good finish aswell.
 
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