Next generation of batting talent in India

[Proactive_]

Tendulkar had a similar run in 2004-2006 ... should have been dropped then too ... Right?

Of course. If he was averaging 25-30 for a period of 2 years +, he should have been given the boot at the earliest. Only in India would we have a debate on this.

You know this how ?

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...nce-west-indies-tour-itinerary-breaking-32170

Mumbai’s Wankhede Stadium will be hosting the farewell Test for Sachin Tendulkar after the legendary batsman expressed a wish to play his landmark 200th match against the West Indies next month in front of his home crowd.

Such a GOD.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Next Generation of pace bowlers should be the focus for Indians. You will always have decent batting.

Who needs pace when you can bamboozle teams with spin and remain no. 1 for more than a year

On a serious note, we have a great set of pace bowlers playing for us right now and there are a few more talented ones at the A level who will soon make a mark on world cricket just like kuldeep yadav did in the spinning department

 

[Bubby]

Who needs pace when you can bamboozle teams with spin and remain no. 1 for more than a year

On a serious note, we have a great set of pace bowlers playing for us right now and there are a few more talented ones at the A level who will soon make a mark on world cricket just like kuldeep yadav did in the spinning department

Exactly, I'm so happy that finally ,not just management and team, but upcoming generations are realising the importance of pace bowling and picking it up, with yadav, shami,bumrah,in the ranks and nathu,siraj,avesh,thamby,khejrolia,aniket ,sangwanywaiting for their chances and emergence of nagarkotti, mavi, sayyed have high hopes for the future, even things look good on all-rounder front ,with pandya, shankar, nagarkotti, sundar,things looking really good touch wood

 

[Tusker]

Of course. If he was averaging 25-30 for a period of 2 years +, he should have been given the boot at the earliest. Only in India would we have a debate on this.

And this is why you get called as a Non-Indian .... Tendulkar was amongst the top 10 run makers after he recovered from that difficult period. This is why legends get a different treatment and thank god that people like you don't run Indian Crictet.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

BTW search for Ponting in that list.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...nce-west-indies-tour-itinerary-breaking-32170
Such a GOD.

I was referring to your Nostradamous like claim of imminent and guaranteed embarrassment if he toured SAF.

 

[Proactive_]

And this is why you get called as a Non-Indian .... Tendulkar was amongst the top 10 run makers after he recovered from that difficult period. This is why legends get a different treatment and thank god that people like you don't run Indian Crictet.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

BTW search for Ponting in that list.

And I'm talking about selecting your teams on merit rather than seniority and superstar status. Something which definitely doesn't happen in India so obviously I would be called Non Indian. No team would keep selecting a player who was averaging 25-30 for the previous 2 years. Even Laxman and Dravid could have stayed along and tried to fill their boots in the next 12 Home Tests but they didn't.

I was referring to your Nostradamous like claim of imminent and guaranteed embarrassment if he toured SAF.

Then why didn't he go then? And made BCCI arrange a series especially for him? He had eaten up the entire home season and prevented a youngster from coming in. When the time finally arrived for the SA tour, he suddenly realized that he doesn't have it anymore and needs to bow out in front of his home crowd. What a team playa!

 

[IndYeah1]

And I'm talking about selecting your teams on merit rather than seniority and superstar status. Something which definitely doesn't happen in India so obviously I would be called Non Indian. No team would keep selecting a player who was averaging 25-30 for the previous 2 years. Even Laxman and Dravid could have stayed along and tried to fill their boots in the next 12 Home Tests but they didn't.





Then why didn't he go then? And made BCCI arrange a series especially for him? He had eaten up the entire home season and prevented a youngster from coming in. When the time finally arrived for the SA tour, he suddenly realized that he doesn't have it anymore and needs to bow out in front of his home crowd. What a team playa!

You clearly have some unresolved resentment issues with Tendy. Get well Soon!

 

[Proactive_]

You clearly have some unresolved resentment issues with Tendy. Get well Soon!

I definitely have resentment issues with the superstar culture and it's many beneficiaries present in Indian cricket tbh, who more often than not do what's best to milk their brand than do what's best for the team.

 

[IndYeah1]

I definitely have resentment issues with the superstar culture and it's many beneficiaries present in Indian cricket tbh, who more often than not do what's best to milk their brand than do what's best for the team.

Biases work in both directions FYI. Objectivity is a valuable tool to apply and possess.

 

[Tusker]

And I'm talking about selecting your teams on merit rather than seniority and superstar status. Something which definitely doesn't happen in India so obviously I would be called Non Indian. No team would keep selecting a player who was averaging 25-30 for the previous 2 years. Even Laxman and Dravid could have stayed along and tried to fill their boots in the next 12 Home Tests but they didn't.

You seem to not notice Tendulkars legendary prowess at all ... blind much to think that he only milked his past fame and stature ? Bloody hell Kohli hasnt even come close to matching Tendulkars last stretch that I quoted earlier ... do you even understand cricket ?

And BTW without Tendulkar there wouldn't have been the 2011 WC win. So much for "Merit" based selection and dropping Tendulkar back in 2005/6. Just look at the sort of idiotic rants that you are desperately trying to pass off as nuanced critique of all ailments that afflict Indian cricket that has lead to its precipitious fall where we find ourselves being #1. Self loathing gone horribly wrong ?

Did you find Ponting in that list ?

Then why didn't he go then? And made BCCI arrange a series especially for him? He had eaten up the entire home season and prevented a youngster from coming in. When the time finally arrived for the SA tour, he suddenly realized that he doesn't have it anymore and needs to bow out in front of his home crowd. What a team playa!

Thats his decision supported by BCCI(And I will tell you why and how things came to that). But before that why don't you tell us all how you are soo certain the script would have ended very horribly if he toured SAF ?

 

[Proactive_]

You seem to not notice Tendulkars legendary prowess at all ... blind much to think that he only milked his past fame and stature ? Bloody hell Kohli hasnt even come close to matching Tendulkars last stretch that I quoted earlier ... do you even understand cricket ?

Obviously Tendulkar's "Legendary prowess" doesn't come into play when it's time to realize that he should hang his boots.

YAnd BTW without Tendulkar there wouldn't have been the 2011 WC win. So much for "Merit" based selection and dropping Tendulkar back in 2005/6. Just look at the sort of idiotic rants that you are desperately trying to pass off as nuanced critique of all ailments that afflict Indian cricket that has lead to its precipitious fall where we find ourselves being #1. Self loathing gone horribly wrong ?

Did you find Ponting in that list ?

Yes, players should rest on their past laurels years into their terminal decline. What a convincing argument. By this hilarious logic, Tendulkar averaged 53.78 in his 24 career year so he shouldn't have retired anyway. He should have at least waited until his overall average fell below 50. Slow claps for you my friend.

Thats his decision supported by BCCI(And I will tell you why and how things came to that).

Who is Tendulkar to make the decisions about what cricket India would play at what moment? International cricket shouldn't be held hostage to one mortal's whims.

But before that why don't you tell us all how you are soo certain the script would have ended very horribly if he toured SAF ?

It wasn't me. It was Tendulkar, who conveniently after eating up the entire home season for an impressive average of 26 in 12 Tests, finally decided that taking the tour to SA would be just too much of hard work for his Godly self and used his unprecedented superstar status to have BCCI give him a farewell match at his home venue when just 2 years earlier, VVS Laxman refused to have a farewell Test match at Hyderabad and instead opted to gracefully retired so that a youngster could be brought in at the earliest.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

It is amazing how India had absolutely no problem in replacing Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Sachin, Sehwag and Gambhir. That generation change has not affected the team performance at all.

 

[Tusker]

Obviously Tendulkar's "Legendary prowess" doesn't come into play when it's time to realize that he should hang his boots.


Yes, players should rest on their past laurels years into their terminal decline. What a convincing argument. By this hilarious logic, Tendulkar averaged 53.78 in his 24 career year so he shouldn't have retired anyway. He should have at least waited until his overall average fell below 50. Slow claps for you my friend.

Have you explained how a Tendulkar in supposedly "terminal decline" scored more runs than anyone else from India ?

Also I see you doggedly refusing to talk about Ponting. So much for "no team in the world would put up with such mediocrity" lol

I don't think you ever will touch these topics but continue beat around the bush and try to shift goal posts to something else like avg falling below 50 or whatever else.

Who is Tendulkar to make the decisions about what cricket India would play at what moment? International cricket shouldn't be held hostage to one mortal's whims.

Cricket = Tendulkar in India (And for good reasons) . About time you acknowledge that and come to terms with reality. As a byproduct you may see significant improvement in your overall health.

just incase you are wondering why ... Virender Sehwag , MS Dhoni and Virat Kohli are some of the many Great players who were inspired by Tendulkar.

Or you can continue to rant and rave and do the rhona dhona and spew bile .... your choice and its a totally free world. Just dont expect anyone to take you seriously.

It wasn't me. It was Tendulkar, who conveniently after eating up the entire home season for an impressive average of 26 in 12 Tests, finally decided that taking the tour to SA would be just too much of hard work for his Godly self and used his unprecedented superstar status to have BCCI give him a farewell match at his home venue when just 2 years earlier, VVS Laxman refused to have a farewell Test match at Hyderabad and instead opted to gracefully retired so that a youngster could be brought in at the earliest.

It most certainly was only you ... and you did that by looking into a crystal ball that gave you a glimpse of an Alternate Ending. Reality is Tendulkar stopped playing after the 200th Test which was arranged for him to bid farewell to the game. whether he would have sucked against SA or not is a pointless discussion that only rabid Tendulkar haters would conjure to fuel their resentments. Perhaps you are one of those that expect nothing less than a 100 everytime he goes to bat and take the God tag too seriously. And you will do the same to Dhoni and Kohli too if you havent already.

What VVS and others did is their own choice. BCCI would have most definitely accorded them the same courtesy just that it wouldnt be nearly as Grand a Finale as Tendulkar's for obvious reasons. Same thing happened to Ganguly. They just do not have the stature of a Tendulkar to attract that kind of attention. These are realities of life that even VVS and Ganguly accept.

No Cricketer ever has been accorded such a Epic farewell. For once we got that aspect of recognition right. Perfect timing for a Bharat Ratna award too ! But noooo you cant stand soo much happiness all around. How can everything be soo memorable and glorious. Something must be wrong ... you reach for the keyboard, fire up the internet connection and start vomiting and here we are ! Sad !

Your problem is basically that you dont understand the concept of happiness. Just look at your posts ... no Indian cricketer has done anything noteworthy to be in the Top 5 , you try to water down Kohli's achievements using some very tedious logic and so on and so forth.

I mean if Indian Cricket gives you so much pain why bother ? Move on.

 

[sachin100]

Have you explained how a Tendulkar in supposedly "terminal decline" scored more runs than anyone else from India ?

Also I see you doggedly refusing to talk about Ponting. So much for "no team in the world would put up with such mediocrity" lol

I don't think you ever will touch these topics but continue beat around the bush and try to shift goal posts to something else like avg falling below 50 or whatever else.




Cricket = Tendulkar in India (And for good reasons) . About time you acknowledge that and come to terms with reality. As a byproduct you may see significant improvement in your overall health.

just incase you are wondering why ... Virender Sehwag , MS Dhoni and Virat Kohli are some of the many Great players who were inspired by Tendulkar.

Or you can continue to rant and rave and do the rhona dhona and spew bile .... your choice and its a totally free world. Just dont expect anyone to take you seriously.



It most certainly was only you ... and you did that by looking into a crystal ball that gave you a glimpse of an Alternate Ending. Reality is Tendulkar stopped playing after the 200th Test which was arranged for him to bid farewell to the game. whether he would have sucked against SA or not is a pointless discussion that only rabid Tendulkar haters would conjure to fuel their resentments. Perhaps you are one of those that expect nothing less than a 100 everytime he goes to bat and take the God tag too seriously. And you will do the same to Dhoni and Kohli too if you havent already.

What VVS and others did is their own choice. BCCI would have most definitely accorded them the same courtesy just that it wouldnt be nearly as Grand a Finale as Tendulkar's for obvious reasons. Same thing happened to Ganguly. They just do not have the stature of a Tendulkar to attract that kind of attention. These are realities of life that even VVS and Ganguly accept.

No Cricketer ever has been accorded such a Epic farewell. For once we got that aspect of recognition right. Perfect timing for a Bharat Ratna award too ! But noooo you cant stand soo much happiness all around. How can everything be soo memorable and glorious. Something must be wrong ... you reach for the keyboard, fire up the internet connection and start vomiting and here we are ! Sad !

Your problem is basically that you dont understand the concept of happiness. Just look at your posts ... no Indian cricketer has done anything noteworthy to be in the Top 5 , you try to water down Kohli's achievements using some very tedious logic and so on and so forth.

I mean if Indian Cricket gives you so much pain why bother ? Move on.

For both dravid and ponting the fall in test average is even worse ie From 60 to 52 but he is obviously blind to that and rants incoherently

 

[Napa]

Have you explained how a Tendulkar in supposedly "terminal decline" scored more runs than anyone else from India ?

Also I see you doggedly refusing to talk about Ponting. So much for "no team in the world would put up with such mediocrity" lol

I don't think you ever will touch these topics but continue beat around the bush and try to shift goal posts to something else like avg falling below 50 or whatever else.




Cricket = Tendulkar in India (And for good reasons) . About time you acknowledge that and come to terms with reality. As a byproduct you may see significant improvement in your overall health.

just incase you are wondering why ... Virender Sehwag , MS Dhoni and Virat Kohli are some of the many Great players who were inspired by Tendulkar.

Or you can continue to rant and rave and do the rhona dhona and spew bile .... your choice and its a totally free world. Just dont expect anyone to take you seriously.



It most certainly was only you ... and you did that by looking into a crystal ball that gave you a glimpse of an Alternate Ending. Reality is Tendulkar stopped playing after the 200th Test which was arranged for him to bid farewell to the game. whether he would have sucked against SA or not is a pointless discussion that only rabid Tendulkar haters would conjure to fuel their resentments. Perhaps you are one of those that expect nothing less than a 100 everytime he goes to bat and take the God tag too seriously. And you will do the same to Dhoni and Kohli too if you havent already.

What VVS and others did is their own choice. BCCI would have most definitely accorded them the same courtesy just that it wouldnt be nearly as Grand a Finale as Tendulkar's for obvious reasons. Same thing happened to Ganguly. They just do not have the stature of a Tendulkar to attract that kind of attention. These are realities of life that even VVS and Ganguly accept.

No Cricketer ever has been accorded such a Epic farewell. For once we got that aspect of recognition right. Perfect timing for a Bharat Ratna award too ! But noooo you cant stand soo much happiness all around. How can everything be soo memorable and glorious. Something must be wrong ... you reach for the keyboard, fire up the internet connection and start vomiting and here we are ! Sad !

Your problem is basically that you dont understand the concept of happiness. Just look at your posts ... no Indian cricketer has done anything noteworthy to be in the Top 5 , you try to water down Kohli's achievements using some very tedious logic and so on and so forth.

I mean if Indian Cricket gives you so much pain why bother ? Move on.

He is just another guy who wants to nitpick Tendulkar. Every great player has ten virtues and one flaw. A critic can harp ad nauseam on the flaw while ignoring the virtues. I think by now Proactive's thinking has been quite clearly exposed, time for us to let it go.

 

[Proactive_]

Have you explained how a Tendulkar in supposedly "terminal decline" scored more runs than anyone else from India ?

Except you forgot to mention that he averaged 32 with 0 centuries in 23 Tests during that period.

Only in India would you see a No.4 with 0 centuries in 20+ Tests not only continue to play but get a grand party as a farewell, that too on his home ground due to his wishes.

Also I see you doggedly refusing to talk about Ponting. So much for "no team in the world would put up with such mediocrity" lol

I don't think you ever will touch these topics but continue beat around the bush and try to shift goal posts to something else like avg falling below 50 or whatever else.

Talking about shifting goalposts, coming from a guy who at every moment tries to shoot off of other players' backs to try to justify his favorites' shortcomings. Just like Prasad (who you abandoned mid argument), just like Bracken, just like Ponting now.

Anyway, Ponting averaged 39 in his last year as compared to Tendulkar's 26. Also, unlike Tendulkar and India, Ponting actually always had amongst the highest averages in the batting order (even in the period that you quoted):

Compare that to Tendulkar's decline in which there are like 10 batsmen who are averaging more than him.

Cricket = Tendulkar in India (And for good reasons) . About time you acknowledge that and come to terms with reality. As a byproduct you may see significant improvement in your overall health.

just incase you are wondering why ... Virender Sehwag , MS Dhoni and Virat Kohli are some of the many Great players who were inspired by Tendulkar.

Or you can continue to rant and rave and do the rhona dhona and spew bile .... your choice and its a totally free world. Just dont expect anyone to take you seriously.

Cricket ≠ Tendulkar, far from it. This is the EXACT mentality that has perpetuated the Superstar Culture in Indian cricket and will continue to do so. Today it's Tendulkar, next will be Dhoni, then Kohli and so on and on and on. Every one of these would keep having Indian cricket on hostage years into their decline and continue to milk their brand rather than do what's right for the team, because they know they can NEVER be dropped . Even if they average 10 for 5 years straight, BCCI would still keep scrounging money off of their brand because it doesn't give two hoots about Indian cricket's performance itself. It's all about the MONEY, as Joshila even admitted a few posts back.

It most certainly was only you ... and you did that by looking into a crystal ball that gave you a glimpse of an Alternate Ending. Reality is Tendulkar stopped playing after the 200th Test which was arranged for him to bid farewell to the game. whether he would have sucked against SA or not is a pointless discussion that only rabid Tendulkar haters would conjure to fuel their resentments. Perhaps you are one of those that expect nothing less than a 100 everytime he goes to bat and take the God tag too seriously. And you will do the same to Dhoni and Kohli too if you havent already.

You highlighted the exact problem. Why should an entire series be "arranged" for one player's farewell., What sort of mockery of Cricket is this? Cricket is a sport where teams compete to win, it's not an exercise to pay respect to your retiring cricketers. You want to shower your love and respect towards them? Arrange 100 functions in their honour outside the Cricket Ground, and better not make the cricket secondary to one man's wishes. That's embarrassing.

What VVS and others did is their own choice. BCCI would have most definitely accorded them the same courtesy just that it wouldnt be nearly as Grand a Finale as Tendulkar's for obvious reasons. Same thing happened to Ganguly. They just do not have the stature of a Tendulkar to attract that kind of attention. These are realities of life that even VVS and Ganguly accept.

Actually these people knew better. They knew that they aren't bigger than the game. Their time had come and they needed to retire gracefully without much hullabaloo, and they did. They didn't need series where the No. of Tests they've played is on the presenter's mics, on the advertising boards and on every print and Television medium promoting the match. Only a narcissistic person could be ok with all of this non sense.

No Cricketer ever has been accorded such a Epic farewell. For once we got that aspect of recognition right. Perfect timing for a Bharat Ratna award too ! But noooo you cant stand soo much happiness all around. How can everything be soo memorable and glorious. Something must be wrong ... you reach for the keyboard, fire up the internet connection and start vomiting and here we are ! Sad !

Your problem is basically that you dont understand the concept of happiness. Just look at your posts ... no Indian cricketer has done anything noteworthy to be in the Top 5 , you try to water down Kohli's achievements using some very tedious logic and so on and so forth.

I mean if Indian Cricket gives you so much pain why bother ? Move on.

Oh dear. Don't even get me started on Bharat Ratna. Not only was it a purely political move keeping in eye the forthcoming 2014 elections, it absolutely destroyed whatever sanctity it had left by giving it to Tendulkar when legends like Dhyan Chand are still not even in serious consideration 38 years after his death.

And you're right, I just don't get it. You give Bharat Ratna to a guy like Tendulkar who wasn't even the best batsman in India for prolonged periods of time but there are guys like Viswanathan Anand, a guy who has broken more barriers for Indian Chess than Tendulkar could have ever dreamed of for Indian cricket, was India's FIRST Grandmaster, has been the No.1 Indian Chess player for almost 30 years, was a Unified World Champion from 2008-2013 and is still one of the Top Chess players in the world in his late 40s, what exactly has Tendulkar done in the field of Sports that supersedes what Anand has done? The only difference being that there aren't legions of people who proclaim him as a God and worship everything he does.

Giving Tendulkar the Bharat Ratna basically made it a popularity contest. Don't be surprised if Virat Kohli gets it too some time in the next ten years because it's nothing more than a political tool now, merit (like in many other fields in India) be damned.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Except you forgot to mention that he averaged 32 with 0 centuries in 23 Tests during that period.

Only in India would you see a No.4 with 0 centuries in 20+ Tests not only continue to play but get a grand party as a farewell, that too on his home ground due to his wishes.




Talking about shifting goalposts, coming from a guy who at every moment tries to shoot off of other players' backs to try to justify his favorites' shortcomings. Just like Prasad (who you abandoned mid argument), just like Bracken, just like Ponting now.

Anyway, Ponting averaged 39 in his last year as compared to Tendulkar's 26. Also, unlike Tendulkar and India, Ponting actually always had amongst the highest averages in the batting order (even in the period that you quoted):

Compare that to Tendulkar's decline in which there are like 10 batsmen who are averaging more than him.









Cricket ≠ Tendulkar, far from it. This is the EXACT mentality that has perpetuated the Superstar Culture in Indian cricket and will continue to do so. Today it's Tendulkar, next will be Dhoni, then Kohli and so on and on and on. Every one of these would keep having Indian cricket on hostage years into their decline and continue to milk their brand rather than do what's right for the team, because they know they can NEVER be dropped . Even if they average 10 for 5 years straight, BCCI would still keep scrounging money off of their brand because it doesn't give two hoots about Indian cricket's performance itself. It's all about the MONEY, as Joshila even admitted a few posts back.





You highlighted the exact problem. Why should an entire series be "arranged" for one player's farewell., What sort of mockery of Cricket is this? Cricket is a sport where teams compete to win, it's not an exercise to pay respect to your retiring cricketers. You want to shower your love and respect towards them? Arrange 100 functions in their honour outside the Cricket Ground, and better not make the cricket secondary to one man's wishes. That's embarrassing.



Actually these people knew better. They knew that they aren't bigger than the game. Their time had come and they needed to retire gracefully without much hullabaloo, and they did. They didn't need series where the No. of Tests they've played is on the presenter's mics, on the advertising boards and on every print and Television medium promoting the match. Only a narcissistic person could be ok with all of this non sense.



Oh dear. Don't even get me started on Bharat Ratna. Not only was it a purely political move keeping in eye the forthcoming 2014 elections, it absolutely destroyed whatever sanctity it had left by giving it to Tendulkar when legends like Dhyan Chand are still not even in serious consideration 38 years after his death.

And you're right, I just don't get it. You give Bharat Ratna to a guy like Tendulkar who wasn't even the best batsman in India for prolonged periods of time but there are guys like Viswanathan Anand, a guy who has broken more barriers for Indian Chess than Tendulkar could have ever dreamed of for Indian cricket, was India's FIRST Grandmaster, has been the No.1 Indian Chess player for almost 30 years, was a Unified World Champion from 2008-2013 and is still one of the Top Chess players in the world in his late 40s, what exactly has Tendulkar done in the field of Sports that supersedes what Anand has done? The only difference being that there aren't legions of people who proclaim him as a God and worship everything he does.

Giving Tendulkar the Bharat Ratna basically made it a popularity contest. Don't be surprised if Virat Kohli gets it too some time in the next ten years because it's nothing more than a political tool now, merit (like in many other fields in India) be damned.

For someone who isnt Indian thats too much vested Interest in India cricket.

Just a request, lets talk about upcoming players and discuss their career growth. That is the whole purpose of this thread.

 

[Tusker]

Except you forgot to mention that he averaged 32 with 0 centuries in 23 Tests during that period.

The talk is about 2007-2013 period keep track of the discussion trail ... cant be bothered to keep re-hashing the same and keep going in circles.

Only in India would you see a No.4 with 0 centuries in 20+ Tests not only continue to play but get a grand party as a farewell, that too on his home ground due to his wishes.

Ponting's avg in 2009,2010,2011 were 38, 37, 32 ... Gooch avgd well below 40 for a majority of his career as did Atherton (I dont think he ever went above 40 lol ). Michael Clarke last 2 yrs 35 , 21 . Let me know if you still want to discuss this "Only in India" nonsense.

Talking about shifting goalposts, coming from a guy who at every moment tries to shoot off of other players' backs to try to justify his favorites' shortcomings. Just like Prasad (who you abandoned mid argument), just like Bracken, just like Ponting now.

You still don't get it right ? I used your own meaningless logic against you! The outcome was exactly what I had expected it to be.

BTW any chance you going to answer some of the pointed questions I asked about Tri-Series vs ODIs ? Fat chance but hey conisdering your "consistency" never know ....

here is that thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440193#post9440193

and this one:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-quot-Virat-Kohli/page2&p=9437019#post9437019

Feel free to answer my question and I will respond there ... once done we can go back to discussing BR,VVS,RD,Anand,Dhyan chand etc.

PS: pls Keep it short in best interest of time, don't have the time for long-winded posts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The talk is about 2007-2013 period keep track of the discussion trail ... cant be bothered to keep re-hashing the same and keep going in circles.



Ponting's avg in 2009,2010,2011 were 38, 37, 32 ... Gooch avgd well below 40 for a majority of his career as did Atherton (I dont think he ever went above 40 lol ). Michael Clarke last 2 yrs 35 , 21 . Let me know if you still want to discuss this "Only in India" nonsense.



You still don't get it right ? I used your own meaningless logic against you! The outcome was exactly what I had expected it to be.

BTW any chance you going to answer some of the pointed questions I asked about Tri-Series vs ODIs ? Fat chance but hey conisdering your "consistency" never know ....

here is that thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440193#post9440193

and this one:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-quot-Virat-Kohli/page2&p=9437019#post9437019

Feel free to answer my question and I will respond there ... once done we can go back to discussing BR,VVS,RD,Anand,Dhyan chand etc.

PS: pls Keep it short in best interest of time, don't have the time for long-winded posts.

Sir Viv Richards avgd 36 in his last 2 years.So did Sir Gary Sobers.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Exactly, I'm so happy that finally ,not just management and team, but upcoming generations are realising the importance of pace bowling and picking it up, with yadav, shami,bumrah,in the ranks and nathu,siraj,avesh,thamby,khejrolia,aniket ,sangwanywaiting for their chances and emergence of nagarkotti, mavi, sayyed have high hopes for the future, even things look good on all-rounder front ,with pandya, shankar, nagarkotti, sundar,things looking really good touch wood

This has nothing to do with individuals and everything to do with proper sporting infrastructure.

Indian domestic cricket structure is like German football with good coaching at youth ranks (more so with batting) and a lot of competition which means a steady stream of young players keep emerging with few technical flaws. The large number of Ranji teams and the IPL youth quota also means they get chances to play at a young age.

The only other SC sport with a decent sporting infrastructure is Gopi with badminton.


Hopefully we see more of these emerge in the SC in coming years. We have long held the title of the worst sporting region in the world.

 

[sachin100]

The talk is about 2007-2013 period keep track of the discussion trail ... cant be bothered to keep re-hashing the same and keep going in circles.



Ponting's avg in 2009,2010,2011 were 38, 37, 32 ... Gooch avgd well below 40 for a majority of his career as did Atherton (I dont think he ever went above 40 lol ). Michael Clarke last 2 yrs 35 , 21 . Let me know if you still want to discuss this "Only in India" nonsense.



You still don't get it right ? I used your own meaningless logic against you! The outcome was exactly what I had expected it to be.

BTW any chance you going to answer some of the pointed questions I asked about Tri-Series vs ODIs ? Fat chance but hey conisdering your "consistency" never know ....

here is that thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440193#post9440193

and this one:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-quot-Virat-Kohli/page2&p=9437019#post9437019

Feel free to answer my question and I will respond there ... once done we can go back to discussing BR,VVS,RD,Anand,Dhyan chand etc.

PS: pls Keep it short in best interest of time, don't have the time for long-winded posts.

Still he will change his goal post like they r not indians and it qualifies only for indians

 

[sachin100]

Sir Viv Richards avgd 36 in his last 2 years.So did Sir Gary Sobers.

But but but 36 is greater than 32 u know.

For his convenience he even left sachin 150 in Capetown in jan 2011 and started july 2011 as his cut off point.

 

[Proactive_]

The talk is about 2007-2013 period keep track of the discussion trail ... cant be bothered to keep re-hashing the same and keep going in circles.



Ponting's avg in 2009,2010,2011 were 38, 37, 32 ... Gooch avgd well below 40 for a majority of his career as did Atherton (I dont think he ever went above 40 lol ). Michael Clarke last 2 yrs 35 , 21 . Let me know if you still want to discuss this "Only in India" nonsense.



You still don't get it right ? I used your own meaningless logic against you! The outcome was exactly what I had expected it to be.

BTW any chance you going to answer some of the pointed questions I asked about Tri-Series vs ODIs ? Fat chance but hey conisdering your "consistency" never know ....

here is that thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440193#post9440193

and this one:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-quot-Virat-Kohli/page2&p=9437019#post9437019

Feel free to answer my question and I will respond there ... once done we can go back to discussing BR,VVS,RD,Anand,Dhyan chand etc.

PS: pls Keep it short in best interest of time, don't have the time for long-winded posts.

You got to be trolling on this one. Gooch? The guy who played in possibly the most bowling friendly era of all time? Because averaging 40 then and averaging 40 now in the 2010s is similar, right? No one did as bad as averaging 26 in 12 HOME Tests in their last year. That's as long a rope as I've ever seen being given to someone so past it.,with 10s of replacements ready to take his spot from the domestics to boot.

Also, I've replied to the Tri Series point a 1000 times in the original thread. Something YOU haven't addressed till now and are running in circles of.

 

[sachin100]

The talk is about 2007-2013 period keep track of the discussion trail ... cant be bothered to keep re-hashing the same and keep going in circles.



Ponting's avg in 2009,2010,2011 were 38, 37, 32 ... Gooch avgd well below 40 for a majority of his career as did Atherton (I dont think he ever went above 40 lol ). Michael Clarke last 2 yrs 35 , 21 . Let me know if you still want to discuss this "Only in India" nonsense.



You still don't get it right ? I used your own meaningless logic against you! The outcome was exactly what I had expected it to be.

BTW any chance you going to answer some of the pointed questions I asked about Tri-Series vs ODIs ? Fat chance but hey conisdering your "consistency" never know ....

here is that thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440193#post9440193

and this one:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-quot-Virat-Kohli/page2&p=9437019#post9437019

Feel free to answer my question and I will respond there ... once done we can go back to discussing BR,VVS,RD,Anand,Dhyan chand etc.

PS: pls Keep it short in best interest of time, don't have the time for long-winded posts.

as u can see he now changed it from 2 yrs to last year as other greats r also in slump in their final yrs

 

[sachin100]

You got to be trolling on this one. Gooch? The guy who played in possibly the most bowling friendly era of all time? Because averaging 40 then and averaging 40 now in the 2010s is similar, right? No one did as bad as averaging 26 in 12 HOME Tests in their last year. That's as long a rope as I've ever seen being given to someone so past it.,with 10s of replacements ready to take his spot from the domestics to boot.

Also, I've replied to the Tri Series point a 1000 times in the original thread. Something YOU haven't addressed till now and are running in circles of.

he was so past it thats why he was second best in both england and australia series behind dravid and kohli

 

[anonymous_guy]

Can we get a similar thread for young Pakistani batsmen. [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]

 

[R0H1T]

You got to be trolling on this one. Gooch? The guy who played in possibly the most bowling friendly era of all time? Because averaging 40 then and averaging 40 now in the 2010s is similar, right? No one did as bad as averaging 26 in 12 HOME Tests in their last year. That's as long a rope as I've ever seen being given to someone so past it.,with 10s of replacements ready to take his spot from the domestics to boot.

Also, I've replied to the Tri Series point a 1000 times in the original thread. Something YOU haven't addressed till now and are running in circles of.

Check the batting avg of 90's it was probably the lowest ever since WW2 & you call yourself what, proactive

Do some fact finding yourself before pointing fingers at others

 

[sachin100]

Check the batting avg of 90's it was probably the lowest ever since WW2 & you call yourself what, proactive

Do some fact finding yourself before pointing fingers at others

shifting goal posts is his go to option because he makes comments in the first place which he himself cannot defend

 

[Proactive_]

Check the batting avg of 90's it was probably the lowest ever since WW2 & you call yourself what, proactive

Do some fact finding yourself before pointing fingers at others

That's what I said. Read the post again.

 

[R0H1T]

That's what I said. Read the post again.

Here's your Gooch away from the comfort of his home

https://imgur.com/9fbY6EV

 

[Proactive_]

Here's your Gooch away from the comfort of his home
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https://imgur.com/9fbY6EV

But your claim was that I said something different than what you comprehended, so why this diversionary tactic now? . The discussion was never about away records. Seems like other than fact finding, you need a lesson on comprehension as well.

 

[R0H1T]

But your claim was that I said something different than what you comprehended, so why this diversionary tactic now? . The discussion was never about away records. Seems like other than fact finding, you need a lesson on comprehension as well.

Because Gooch's record wasn't all that boisterous in the 90's which is, you know the toughest era to bat in after the WW. This was when the best of Windies had already retired a decade or half back.

 

[Proactive_]

Because Gooch's record wasn't all that boisterous in the 90's which is, you know the toughest era to bat in after the WW. This was when the best of Windies had already retired a decade or half back.

That's not what you said.

You said:

Check the batting avg of 90's it was probably the lowest ever since WW2 & you call yourself what, proactive

Which I was actually in agreement with, only if you could comprehend what was written, and now you're just throwing mud on the wall on matters which aren't even been discussed lol. Take the L and move on bud.

 

[R0H1T]

That's not what you said.

You said:



Which I was actually in agreement with, only if you could comprehend what was written, and now you're just throwing mud on the wall on matters which aren't even been discussed lol. Take the L and move on bud.

Really how long have you been on online forums? Do you understand the part highlighted, why did I do that? Talk about lulzing yourself!

https://imgur.com/E0I8WSR

As for 2010's it's the era of DRS, dodgy pitches & batting collapses, definitely not as easy as you make it sound!

 

[Proactive_]

Really how long have you been on online forums? Do you understand the part highlighted, why did I do that? Talk about lulzing yourself!
View attachment 76713
https://imgur.com/E0I8WSR

As for 2010's it's the era of DRS, dodgy pitches & batting collapses, definitely not as easy as you make it sound!

What are you even arguing lol. Explain what you meant by this and how did it differ from what I was saying anyway:

Check the batting avg of 90's it was probably the lowest ever since WW2 & you call yourself what, proactive

It seems like you're trolling on purpose after being called out on your inability to comprehend basic setences, so leave it.

 

[R0H1T]

What are you even arguing lol. Explain what you meant by this and how did it differ from what I was saying anyway:



It seems like you're trolling on purpose after being called out on your inability to comprehend basic setences, so leave it.

Oh zip it powder puff, what you can't comprehend is that a team can carry a non performing player in home tests, his experience in the middle still helps. You can't do that in away tests, SRT failed in just two series away in his last years, was still the best batter in Aus, Gooch consistently failed away in his last years. So did Ricky, Dravid (except England) & so many more, do you you want to be more explicit that that, do you need more English lessons now?

 

[Bewal Express]

Where are the likes of Sarfraz Khan, Zol etc these days.

 

[Proactive_]

Oh zip it powder puff, what you can't comprehend is that a team can carry a non performing player in home tests, his experience in the middle still helps. You can't do that in away tests, SRT failed in just two series away in his last years, was still the best batter in Aus, Gooch consistently failed away in his last years. So did Ricky, Dravid (except England) & so many more, do you you want to be more explicit that that, do you need more English lessons now?

I don't know what it would take for you guys to understand that Tendulkar averaged 26 in his last 12 Tests at HOME. We was woefully past it. Dravid even in his worst years from 07-10 averaged 40+, and he immediately retired after the Aus tour knowing that there is no point in playing on Home Tests when a youngster can take his place and be blooded for the away tours.

 

[JattMaula]

Where are the likes of Sarfraz Khan, Zol etc these days.

SK underwent a serious knee surgery.

Zol can't make Maharashtra team atm.

 

[R0H1T]

I don't know what it would take for you guys to understand that Tendulkar averaged 26 in his last 12 Tests at HOME. We was woefully past it. Dravid even in his worst years from 07-10 averaged 40+, and he immediately retired after the Aus tour knowing that there is no point in playing on Home Tests when a youngster can take his place and be blooded for the away tours.

You're conveniently taking 4 years for Dravid & just 1 for SRT, India also lost just one series at home in that time. His batting wasn't the reason why we lost to England, it was the bowlers & Dhoni's insistence on spinning tracks, normal Ahmedabad like track was perfect to end the English chances of a win.

SRT should've played the WI away series to get his 100th ton, but remember it was the media hype that doubled or trebled the pressure on him. On top of that there wasn;t anyone consistent enough to bring the team out of a trough in Eng/Aus granted Dravid did his best in Eng but failed miserably in Aus.

Anyone remember Nikhil Naaz reporting from the home of cricket on SRT's 100th ton

If you are blaming just him then you;re telling half the truth, the whole team (especially captain) & media were equally responsible for this mess.

 

[Proactive_]

You're conveniently taking 4 years for Dravid & just 1 for SRT, India also lost just one series at home in that time. His batting wasn't the reason why we lost to England, it was the bowlers & Dhoni's insistence on spinning tracks, normal Ahmedabad like track was perfect to end the English chances of a win.

SRT should've played the WI away series to get his 100th ton, but remember it was the media hype that doubled or trebled the pressure on him. On top of that there wasn;t anyone consistent enough to bring the team out of a trough in Eng/Aus granted Dravid did his best in Eng but failed miserably in Aus.

Anyone remember Nikhil Naaz reporting from the home of cricket on SRT's 100th ton

If you are blaming just him then you;re telling half the truth, the whole team (especially captain) & media were equally responsible for this mess.

Please don't bring in this media hype and pressure non sense. It's a two way street, it's this same media hype and pressure that has made him a multi millionaire, given him hundreds of endorsement deals, made him an MP (with a woeful attendance record I might add) and on top of that a BHARAT RATNA. Something, no other sportsperson, not even the likes of Dhyan Chand and Vishy Anand have ever even been in serious contention of having and the most nauseatingly.. has basically made him a God in the eyes of a scaringly high number of people.

Indian media is immature and embarrassing, everyone knows it. It still doesn't excuse the fact that Tendulkar continued way past his sell by date to chase pointless milestones like the 100th hundred (getting it with one of the most selfish innings ever played) and the 200th Test while players like Rahane were still sitting in domestics with a 70+ FC average.

 

[R0H1T]

Please don't bring in this media hype and pressure non sense. It's a two way street, it's this same media hype and pressure that has made him a multi millionaire, given him hundreds of endorsement deals, made him an MP (with a woeful attendance record I might add) and on top of that a BHARAT RATNA. Something, no other sportsperson, not even the likes of Dhyan Chand and Vishy Anand have ever even been in serious contention of having and the most nauseatingly.. has basically made him a God in the eyes of a scaringly high number of people.

Indian media is immature and embarrassing, everyone knows it. It still doesn't excuse the fact that Tendulkar continued way past his sell by date to chase pointless milestones like the 100th hundred (getting it with one of the most selfish innings ever played) and the 200th Test while players like Rahane were still sitting in domestics with a 70+ FC average.

In the meantime the likes of Pujara, Raina, Mukund, Kohli, Sharma made their debut before him. Only one of them deserved a debut before Rahane, who's fault was that you reckon?

 

[Proactive_]

In the meantime the likes of Pujara, Raina, Mukund, Kohli, Sharma made their debut before him. Only one of them deserved a debut before Rahane, who's fault was that you reckon?

Obviously politics in selection is a big issue as well. One of the reasons I hate BCCI so much. They even got rid of an upstanding man like Mohinder Amarnath who rightfully wanted to chuck Dhoni out of Test captaincy after his horrendous captaincy in the Eng and Aus tours but BCCI chucked him out instead immediately. That's how the superstar culture operates here in India, sadly. Regardless, Tendulkar can't be absolved of the blame as well, he held on to his slot for the entire home season failing, which could have easily benefited a youngster coming in and solidifying his place in the team.

 

[JaDed]

Ok Sachin played one extra season,inspite of that he wipes the floor with all your fav legends [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] ,go and watch your home team play now.

 

[IndYeah1]

It is amazing how India had absolutely no problem in replacing Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Sachin, Sehwag and Gambhir. That generation change has not affected the team performance at all.

India have never been short on batting. If Robin Uthappa, Parthiv Patel, Vinod Kambli etc could have played for Pak/SL/BD - they'd have had 10+ year careers and country level ATG stats by now.

Given India's size and popularity of cricket, talent pool has always been quite deep. The problem always was lack of depth in pace bowling. We managed to find a top class bowler here and there, at times even 2. But you need a full bowling attack with no more than 1 weak link, to really keep the pressure on and take 20 wickets consistently. We never had a 3rd seamer who was good enough - this is what made even the 1st 2 look bad. This has changed now. Bhuvanesh Kumar is India's first choice 3rd seamer in test cricket, and he averages around 20 runs per wicket in the last couple of years. Those numbers are boosted by India's decision to not play him on flat tracks, but the point remains. India look finally ready to change their away records in SA/Eng/Aus.

I just hope Shami, Yadav and Bhuvi avoid injuries. And the batting "superstars" manage not to fold like Bangladesh are. It may sound silly or controversial but I believe India start the SA test series as slight favorites.

 

[Proactive_]

Always a funny sight to see some Indians getting flustered so bad when their heroes are rightfully questioned. The amount of they exhibit when someone exposes their heroes is something to behold. No wonder though because the Superstar culture brainwash in this country is astounding, they're just following suit.

 

[jagatk]

He is a good utility bowler, though is fielding & batting is often times brain fading/numbing but he does have an exceptional list A record. This is why he is in the team, could be used as a reserve WK as well.

His exceptional list A record has lot to do with playing for Maharashtra on ranji's bowling graveyard rather than his own batting talent, there is a reason why India have rarely had batsman from Maharashtra team.

 

[IndYeah1]

Always a funny sight to see some Indians getting flustered so bad when their heroes are rightfully questioned. The amount of they exhibit when someone exposes their heroes is something to behold. No wonder though because the Superstar culture brainwash in this country is astounding, they're just following suit.

You're still jibbering on about this? About Tendy playing an extra 10 odd tests or something? 5 years after the fact? Wow. Obsess much?

 

[Tusker]

You got to be trolling on this one. Gooch? The guy who played in possibly the most bowling friendly era of all time? Because averaging 40 then and averaging 40 now in the 2010s is similar, right? No one did as bad as averaging 26 in 12 HOME Tests in their last year. That's as long a rope as I've ever seen being given to someone so past it.,with 10s of replacements ready to take his spot from the domestics to boot.

Bowling friendly ERA ? Gooch played between 75-95 and was Tendulkars contemporary for few years in the 90s which had exceptional bowlers. But his avg never climbed above till late 1990 so thats 15 yrs and 79 Tests.

Athers played between 1989 and 2001 and he did not even finish above 40. Both Gooch and Athers avged 20 over the last 10 tests

However the cake goes to Mike Brearley : Played for 5 yrs in 39 Tests and finished with an Avg of 22.88 and ZERO Hundreds. So he was pretty much a specialist Captain lol ... but Unlike Desi's no English fan goes around nitpicking and pulling him down. Instead he is hailed as a Great Captain.

Let me know if you need more players. I see you quietly ignored Clarke and Ponting. You will do the same for Brearley or anyone else.

Also, I've replied to the Tri Series point a 1000 times in the original thread. Something YOU haven't addressed till now and are running in circles of.

Your responses do not stand scrutiny .... as can be seen from the silence to my pointed questions that you deliberately evade.

Your entire logic is based upon Tri-Series being more important than Bi-laterals for players and fans which isn't the case. Players have skipped tr-series or been rested just like in bi-laterals and nobody really cares who won the last Kit Ply cup. They are relevant at the moment they are taking place like bi-laterals. For every eagerly anticipated and fiercely contested tr-series I can show you a bilateral series.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Was wondering if anyone knows about Krunal Pandya. I remember once he was selected for A team but since then no sign of him. [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION]

 

[Proactive_]

Bowling friendly ERA ? Gooch played between 75-95 and was Tendulkars contemporary for few years in the 90s which had exceptional bowlers. But his avg never climbed above till late 1990 so thats 15 yrs and 79 Tests.

Athers played between 1989 and 2001 and he did not even finish above 40. Both Gooch and Athers avged 20 over the last 10 tests

However the cake goes to Mike Brearley : Played for 5 yrs in 39 Tests and finished with an Avg of 22.88 and ZERO Hundreds. So he was pretty much a specialist Captain lol ... but Unlike Desi's no English fan goes around nitpicking and pulling him down. Instead he is hailed as a Great Captain.

Let me know if you need more players. I see you quietly ignored Clarke and Ponting. You will do the same for Brearley or anyone else.

Again, comparing the 80s and 90s with the 2010s. If you think the level of batting difficulty during Tendulkar's decline in 2012-13 was the same as during the last days of guys like Gooch, Atherton etc etc, then I don't know what to tell to you.

Also, Clarke played 19 Tests in his final 2 years. 13 of them were away from home, at home he actually still averaged 45. He also averaged 55 in SA and had 4 hundreds during that time. Tendulkar on the other hand played 23 matches in his last 2 years of which he played 15 at home and averaged 30 at them. There was not a single series except vs the WI in which he averaged 40+ and in total had 0 hundreds during that time period. Not to mention the fact that the Indian batting line up during that time was much much stronger than the Indian line up so Clarke's worth to the Aus batting line up was much more than Tendulkar's was to India. The performances aren't even comparable.

Can you imagine Dhoni coming out at saying that Tendulkar would have been dropped if he didn't retire? There would be riots if that happened, and BCCI not in a million years would have even dared of doing that.

Your responses do not stand scrutiny .... as can be seen from the silence to my pointed questions that you deliberately evade.

Your entire logic is based upon Tri-Series being more important than Bi-laterals for players and fans which isn't the case. Players have skipped tr-series or been rested just like in bi-laterals and nobody really cares who won the last Kit Ply cup. They are relevant at the moment they are taking place like bi-laterals. For every eagerly anticipated and fiercely contested tr-series I can show you a bilateral series.

I told you in detail about how the format of a multi team series itself ensures that every match right until the final is relevant in the context of the series, not to mention the margin of wins/losses that come into consideration which they don't in Bilaterals. I recently also pointed this out when India won both the series vs SL and V Aus 3-0 thereby rendering the remaining 4 matches to be redundant in the context of the series.

 

[Napa]

Was wondering if anyone knows about Krunal Pandya. I remember once he was selected for A team but since then no sign of him. [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION]

I am sure you will see Krunal once the IPL season starts. Some say he is a better bat than his brother. Just too much batting talent to accommodate in the team right now.

 

[JattMaula]

I am sure you will see Krunal once the IPL season starts. Some say he is a better bat than his brother. Just too much batting talent to accommodate in the team right now.

He was better player than his little brother but HP is improving by seconds. Plus spinning all-rounders are dime a dozen.

 

[JaDed]

Amazing how supposedly an Indian is saying 'some Indians' lol.

 

[Tusker]

Again, comparing the 80s and 90s with the 2010s. If you think the level of batting difficulty during Tendulkar's decline in 2012-13 was the same as during the last days of guys like Gooch, Atherton etc etc, then I don't know what to tell to you.

Did you even read my post clearly ? You seemed to have completely missed Mike Brearleys example. And no Iam not talking about their last days. This is their peak years during which they churned out 30ish averages year after year and are yet known as great players. And No a 30 avg in 80s and 90s is not like 50 avg in this decade. Certainly not 22.88 which was what Brearley ended with after 5 years of Test Cricket(76-81).

Also, Clarke played 19 Tests in his final 2 years. 13 of them were away from home, at home he actually still averaged 45. He also averaged 55 in SA and had 4 hundreds during that time. Tendulkar on the other hand played 23 matches in his last 2 years of which he played 15 at home and averaged 30 at them. There was not a single series except vs the WI in which he averaged 40+ and in total had 0 hundreds during that time period. Not to mention the fact that the Indian batting line up during that time was much much stronger than the Indian line up so Clarke's worth to the Aus batting line up was much more than Tendulkar's was to India. The performances aren't even comparable.

Your original <rant></s> gripe was about last 2 yrs of Tendulkar which included both home and away Tests. Also keep in mind how you ridicule anything achieved at home (only applies to Indian Team BTW) . So why are you concerned about Home Tests? Shouldn't they be non-existant in your dictionary? Can you for once clarify how you arrive at these seemingly arbitrary

Can you imagine Dhoni coming out at saying that Tendulkar would have been dropped if he didn't retire? There would be riots if that happened, and BCCI not in a million years would have even dared of doing that.

Exactly. And if you think that the millions who would go on a protest were all wrong and only you are the clever one then you either don't understand Cricket and therefore Tendulkars contributions or like others have noticed you have unresolved issues (probably due to unrealistic expectations given Tendulkars talent ).

This is similar to asking why a Mantri (even the corrupt ones) gets preferential treatment at every aspect of life starting from traffic. And Tendulkar is a saint compared to the Mantri's.

I told you in detail about how the format of a multi team series itself ensures that every match right until the final is relevant in the context of the series, not to mention the margin of wins/losses that come into consideration which they don't in Bilaterals. I recently also pointed this out when India won both the series vs SL and V Aus 3-0 thereby rendering the remaining 4 matches to be redundant in the context of the series.

I responded to this post on that thread to which you did not respond ... link: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440193#post9440193

Tri-Series have a big problem of rain. Example this recent CT where Aus was evicted and BD took their spot ... you want to tell me that is fair ? Also you want to maintain that the match vs BD we played was anywhere near in intensity as any of the ODI's vs Aus recently ? Forget CT lets talk 1992 WC lol. Now don't get excited and start claiming that I rate Bilaterals above WC and CT. What I mean is that you just cannot neatly segregate ODIs into Good,Bad,Ugly based on WC, ICC Events, Bilaterals etc. Certainly not when it comes to Player ratings. Doesnt work that way.

 

[Tusker]

Was wondering if anyone knows about Krunal Pandya. I remember once he was selected for A team but since then no sign of him. [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION]

No idea ... its hard to follow domestic cricket when there is so much Intl Cricket going on.

 

[Tusker]

BUMP

No surprise to see [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] quietly slipping away ... only to pop up elsewhere and continue his usual agenda

 

[Proactive_]

BUMP

No surprise to see [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] quietly slipping away ... only to pop up elsewhere and continue his usual agenda

Coming from the guy who said he'll reply to the "rest of the post" in the Kohli thread only to never do it!

Anyway, I realized when you kept putting in examples like Mike Brearley without any thought that you don't understand the gist of the argument or are cleverly trying to dodge it again and again so it's pointless to continue.. but if you insist.. Mike Brearley played in the team primarily for his captaincy, which has never been disputed. The guy has been credited with turning around the fortunes of the team on multiple occasions with his captaincy and was considered instrumental in the resurgence of Botham. Tendulkar was not playing as a great captain and he didn't bowl and definitely didn't deserve his spot as a batsman, the solitary thing he was hoped to contribute at, while batsmen averaging 70 in FC were struggling to get a game.

Coming to Tendulkar, I still just don't know how you can keep defending an average of 26 in 12 HOME Tests, including just 2 series with a 40+ average in 2 years that too vs the Windies at home. If you want to defend a 39 year old guy being so painfully past it going an entire home season chasing a pointless milestone of 200 Tests, then that's your prerogative, but don't expect any rational cricket fan who puts the team above individuals to support that.

Let's see what else you got.. oh rain. So now we're shooting off the back of mother nature, aye? How about a bilateral game where a team scores 350+ and has the opposition at 20/4 in 8 overs and then the rain arrives and the game is washed out? That's fair? That's clutching at straws my friend. Rain is a universal deterrent, funny you attach that with only multi team series.

 

[Tusker]

Coming from the guy who said he'll reply to the "rest of the post" in the Kohli thread only to never do it!

Anyway, I realized when you kept putting in examples like Mike Brearley without any thought that you don't understand the gist of the argument or are cleverly trying to dodge it again and again so it's pointless to continue.. but if you insist.. Mike Brearley played in the team primarily for his captaincy, which has never been disputed. The guy has been credited with turning around the fortunes of the team on multiple occasions with his captaincy and was considered instrumental in the resurgence of Botham. Tendulkar was not playing as a great captain and he didn't bowl and definitely didn't deserve his spot as a batsman, the solitary thing he was hoped to contribute at, while batsmen averaging 70 in FC were struggling to get a game.

Since when was it normal for Cricket teams to have a "Specialist" captains ? We learn new things every day over here at PP

I dodged nothing and you have been properly nailed with your own hilariously tedious logic coming back to bite you. Don't forget how you have quietly ignored Mike Athertons example.

Need More ? Go take a look at Naser Hussains career. I will just keep piling them on to expose your silly agenda.

Coming to Tendulkar, I still just don't know how you can keep defending an average of 26 in 12 HOME Tests, including just 2 series with a 40+ average in 2 years that too vs the Windies at home.

Because its just not Tendulkar alone in the entire world who has had a fallow run. But then your hate for Tendulkar (And anything to do with Indian Cricket TBH) gets in the way.

If you want to defend a 39 year old guy being so painfully past it going an entire home season chasing a pointless milestone of 200 Tests, then that's your prerogative, but don't expect any rational cricket fan who puts the team above individuals to support that.

Because these things dont happen every day. Playing 200 Tests is a once in a lifetime achievement. BTW if you havent noticed nobody gives a flying ants behind to your loser thinking. The entire country celebrated the 200th Test ( except you ofcourse). Iam pretty sure you will enlighten us how you are the only smart one and the entire country is made up of dumb people who dont know any better. Go on tell us how you are the only smartest one.

Let's see what else you got.. oh rain. So now we're shooting off the back of mother nature, aye? How about a bilateral game where a team scores 350+ and has the opposition at 20/4 in 8 overs and then the rain arrives and the game is washed out? That's fair? That's clutching at straws my friend. Rain is a universal deterrent, funny you attach that with only multi team series.

And how many times has that resulted in a undeserving team moving forward (like BD in CT and Pak in 1992, Kenya in 2003 so on and so forth ) or even winning the series ? Good job trying to equate the two situations.

And don't forget the other thread where I asked a whole bunch of questions to which you don't have an answer

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440139#post9440139

 

[Saj]

I watched a bit of Unmukt Chand earlier this year and interviewed him for FirstPost. He looked a decent batsman, very confident and had a bit of Virat Kohli about him.

 

[Proactive_]

Since when was it normal for Cricket teams to have a "Specialist" captains ? We learn new things every day over here at PP

I dodged nothing and you have been properly nailed with your own hilariously tedious logic coming back to bite you. Don't forget how you have quietly ignored Mike Athertons example.

Need More ? Go take a look at Naser Hussains career. I will just keep piling them on to expose your silly agenda.

I don't necessarily agree with what England did with Brearley. I'm just telling the facts as they are.. England played him for his captaincy, it's a fact.

Also, Mike Atherton is hardly a good example. How many openers averaged 37+ in the 90s in Test cricket and especially those who opened most of their career in conditions like England? Nasser Hussain averaged 40+ in the last two years of his career so I don't understand how you're saying that he didn't justify his place in the side unlike Tendulkar who averaged in the 20s in much more batting friendly conditions?

Because its just not Tendulkar alone in the entire world who has had a fallow run. But then your hate for Tendulkar (And anything to do with Indian Cricket TBH) gets in the way.

I HATE the superstar culture that is ingrained in Indian cricket, yes and it's for good reason. I have no qualms about admitting it.

Because these things dont happen every day. Playing 200 Tests is a once in a lifetime achievement. BTW if you havent noticed nobody gives a flying ants behind to your loser thinking. The entire country celebrated the 200th Test ( except you ofcourse). Iam pretty sure you will enlighten us how you are the only smart one and the entire country is made up of dumb people who dont know any better. Go on tell us how you are the only smartest one.

So you agree that India basically carried Tendulkar so that he could complete 200 Tests? That's nice. Finally, we're making some progress. This is definitely a bookmarkable quote

And how many times has that resulted in a undeserving team moving forward (like BD in CT and Pak in 1992, Kenya in 2003 so on and so forth ) or even winning the series ? Good job trying to equate the two situations.

And don't forget the other thread where I asked a whole bunch of questions to which you don't have an answer

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440139#post9440139

IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIGHT NATURE. Bilaterals or Tri Series or WC it doesn't matter, if it rains.. it rains. Don't tell me that the results of bilateral series can't be affected by rain. This rain logic has to be unquestionably the most hilarious point you've put forth in the whole conversation.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I watched a bit of Unmukt Chand earlier this year and interviewed him for FirstPost. He looked a decent batsman, very confident and had a bit of Virat Kohli about him.

I hope he never makes it to Indian team. He is HACK at best.

He is not even Poor man’s Kohli. 2

R Pant, Subham Gill, Washington Sundar, Shaw, Iyer, KL Rahul are some of the batsmen that are far better options than Hack Chand.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Washington Sunder scored his maiden First Class hundred against Baroda.

Allrounder Washington Sundar's maiden first-class hundred - 156* off 223 balls - underpinned Tamil Nadu's dominance against Tripura in Chennai. Opening the batting in the absence of M Vijay - who is suffering from a neck spasm - Sundar struck 14 fours and a six to give his team a 74-run first-innings lead at stumps on the second day.

He first added 162 for the opening stand with his captain Abhinav Mukund before combining with B Indrajith for an unbroken 152-run stand for the third wicket. Abhinav made 76 off 130 balls - his second successive first-class fifty - while Indrajith stayed unbeaten on 73 off 121 balls. Tripura used seven bowlers with only Joydeep Bhattacharjee and Gurinder Singh finding success. The hosts, ultimately, closed the day at 332 for 2, scoring at over four runs per over.

Earlier, seamer K Vignesh's 4 for 41 helped Tamil Nadu dismiss Tripura for 258 from an overnight 244 for 7. The visitors had lost their last seven wickets for just 55 runs. R Ashwin finished with figures of 25.1-6-64-2.

Wicketkeeper-batsman Naman Ojha completed his 21st first-class hundred - 180 off 410 balls - to propel Madhya Pradesh to 409 against a depleted Mumbai side in Indore. In reply, Mumbai ended the day at 130 for 1 with opener Jay Bista punching 89 of those in only 96 balls.

Resuming from an overnight 250 for 5, MP lost Ankit Sharma early on the second day, but Ankit Kushwah and Mihir Hirwani made 34 and 31 respectively to assist Ojha and help take the total past 400. Debutant Akash Parkar was the pick of the bowlers for Mumbai, finishing with 4 for 70.

Kushwah then struck with the ball to have Akhil Herwadkar caught behind for 17, but Bista's counterattack and Siddhesh Lad's stickability helped Mumbai trim the deficit to 279.

A 139-run partnership for the eighth wicket between Swapnil Singh and Atit Sheth lifted Baroda from 203 for 7 to an eventual score of 373 against Andhra in Vadodara. Andhra's batting line-up, which had given Tamil Nadu a scare in the first round, mounted a strong reply with captain Hanuma Vihari and Ricky Bhui scoring unbeaten half-centuries. The two batsmen helped Andhra end the day at 190 for 2.

Sheth followed his 70 not out with the wicket of opener Prasanth Kumar. Left-arm spinner Swapnil, who was the top-scorer for Baroda with 88, went wicketless in five overs.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8050/report/1118631/day/2/

 

[Tusker]

I don't necessarily agree with what England did with Brearley. I'm just telling the facts as they are.. England played him for his captaincy, it's a fact.

why am I not surprised to see your sheepish reply ... England carried a player for 39 freakin tests played over 5 years. Most importantly its a player who achieved nothing remotely close to Tendulkar nor is even remotely close to Tendulkars stature ... and here you are fuming frothing at the mouth about Tendulkars last 12 Tests? BTW wasnt that last 2 yrs at the begining of this tirade ? what happened along the way that it magically got narrowed to last 12 ... lol

Also, Mike Atherton is hardly a good example. How many openers averaged 37+ in the 90s in Test cricket and especially those who opened most of their career in conditions like England? Nasser Hussain averaged 40+ in the last two years of his career so I don't understand how you're saying that he didn't justify his place in the side unlike Tendulkar who averaged in the 20s in much more batting friendly conditions?

There is plenty who avged more than him in the 90s .. Gooch, Alec Stewart , Slater , Hudson, Haynes. Also take a look at his last 10 tests ... avg = 20. Moreover his first 4-5 yrs he barely avg above 30. So much for "Only In India" ehh ?

Need more examples ? let me know.

I HATE the superstar culture that is ingrained in Indian cricket, yes and it's for good reason. I have no qualms about admitting it.

This is more like impotence of a frustrated soul who realizes his rants are not worth the disk space they are written on. You cant even get your 10 mins of fame trolling

So you agree that India basically carried Tendulkar so that he could complete 200 Tests? That's nice. Finally, we're making some progress. This is definitely a bookmarkable quote

lol ... this is a piddly sum compared to what Tendulkar gave to Indian cricket.

IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIGHT NATURE. Bilaterals or Tri Series or WC it doesn't matter, if it rains.. it rains. Don't tell me that the results of bilateral series can't be affected by rain. This rain logic has to be unquestionably the most hilarious point you've put forth in the whole conversation.

Genius ... the point is it is very rare for nature to affect multiple games in a 5 match series in a way where luck becomes the determining factor. But then again these things require common sense to understand.

Any chance of answering this or you going to keep ignoring that? : http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440139#post9440139

 

[Tusker]

wait I completely forgot about Graeme Hick ... 65 friggin Tests spread over 10 yrs at an avg of 31.32 ... and Mark Ramprakash who played 52 tests (Over 10 yrs ) avg 27.32 at a grand strike rate of 36. )

Between them they played more than 60% of Tendulkars full career and made only about 36% of what Tendulkar finally made. Its even more hilarious if you look at their ODI stats or the no.of balls faced but I will let that be ...

ohh yeah only in India.

 

[Proactive_]

why am I not surprised to see your sheepish reply ... England carried a player for 39 freakin tests played over 5 years. Most importantly its a player who achieved nothing remotely close to Tendulkar nor is even remotely close to Tendulkars stature ... and here you are fuming frothing at the mouth about Tendulkars last 12 Tests? BTW wasnt that last 2 yrs at the begining of this tirade ? what happened along the way that it magically got narrowed to last 12 ... lol

It's a documented FACT that England played Brearley for his captaincy. You need better material to counter facts.

And I'm highlighting the 12 Tests because they were 12 played at Home at a stretch, and Tendulkar failed even there. Obviously. Overall his entire run post 2011 WC was a colossal failure.

There is plenty who avged more than him in the 90s .. Gooch, Alec Stewart , Slater , Hudson, Haynes. Also take a look at his last 10 tests ... avg = 20. Moreover his first 4-5 yrs he barely avg above 30. So much for "Only In India" ehh ?

Need more examples ? let me know.

They were all in the comparable 35-45 bracket. It wasn't like all the openers were magically averaging 50+ while only Atherton was averaging 37. And you know what happened to Atherton in his initial years? He was actually DROPPED. An alien concept that you don't seem to understand. He had to perform in domestics to get back into the team on MERIT, which is EXACTLY my point. Thanks for reinforcing.

This is more like impotence of a frustrated soul who realizes his rants are not worth the disk space they are written on. You cant even get your 10 mins of fame trolling




lol ... this is a piddly sum compared to what Tendulkar gave to Indian cricket.

I knew I was wasting my time with this. This is seriously unbelievable. So you were ok with India not putting the best 11 it can put on a cricket field only so that Tendulkar could get to his 200th Test? Good lord.. STOP WORSHIPPING INDIVIDUALS IN A TEAM SPORT. You put your team out on the field to win, not to carry your has been heroes to pointless milestones.

Genius ... the point is it is very rare for nature to affect multiple games in a 5 match series in a way where luck becomes the determining factor. But then again these things require common sense to understand.

Any chance of answering this or you going to keep ignoring that? : http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ailable-3-0-series-lead&p=9440139#post9440139

And it's also very rare for a team to get two rained out back to back games in tournaments like Aus did. Whereas you can play a bilateral series in SL in rainy season and every game will be definitely affected. So?

 

[Proactive_]

wait I completely forgot about Graeme Hick ... 65 friggin Tests spread over 10 yrs at an avg of 31.32 ... and Mark Ramprakash who played 52 tests (Over 10 yrs ) avg 27.32 at a grand strike rate of 36. )

Between them they played more than 60% of Tendulkars full career and made only about 36% of what Tendulkar finally made. Its even more hilarious if you look at their ODI stats or the no.of balls faced but I will let that be ...

ohh yeah only in India.

Both of them never played at a stretch. Duh. They were obviously DROPPED and had to make it back on MERIT by performing in domestics, something which you STILL don't understand.

 

[Tusker]

It's a documented FACT that England played Brearley for his captaincy. You need better material to counter facts.

When did you prove specialist captains is a accepted norm ? This is like non-playing captain in some sports )

And I'm highlighting the 12 Tests because they were 12 played at Home at a stretch, and Tendulkar failed even there. Obviously. Overall his entire run post 2011 WC was a colossal failure.

See above examples of Hick and Ramprakash.

And since when did you care about home matches ? Don't you go on ridiculing them and taking pot shots every time ? lol

They were all in the comparable 35-45 bracket. It wasn't like all the openers were magically averaging 50+ while only Atherton was averaging 37. And you know what happened to Atherton in his initial years? He was actually DROPPED. An alien concept that you don't seem to understand. He had to perform in domestics to get back into the team on MERIT, which is EXACTLY my point. Thanks for reinforcing.


I knew I was wasting my time with this. This is seriously unbelievable. So you were ok with India not putting the best 11 it can put on a cricket field only so that Tendulkar could get to his 200th Test? Good lord.. STOP WORSHIPPING INDIVIDUALS IN A TEAM SPORT. You put your team out on the field to win, not to carry your has been heroes to pointless milestones.

Thank GOD People like you dont run Indian Cricket. The amount of publicity , Goodwill and feel good value that came out of Tendulkars farewell faar out weighs any supposedly bad effects.

And it's also very rare for a team to get two rained out back to back games in tournaments like Aus did. Whereas you can play a bilateral series in SL in rainy season and every game will be definitely affected. So?

Except it takes one rained out match to make a telling difference ... example 1992 WC. Almost all the time you have scenarios where strong teams feel hard done by due to a wash out and it affects the natural order . Example 2002 CT. These things just wont happen in bilaterals.

I take it that you conceed on the other points that you doggedly refuse to answer.

 

[Tusker]

Both of them never played at a stretch. Duh. They were obviously DROPPED and had to make it back on MERIT by performing in domestics, something which you STILL don't understand.

Hardly. Graeme Hick was a standard fixture in the England team of early to mid 90s. He used to be compared to Tendulkar lol Whats the next excuse ?

 

[Proactive_]

When did you prove specialist captains is a accepted norm ? This is like non-playing captain in some sports )



See above examples of Hick and Ramprakash.

And since when did you care about home matches ? Don't you go on ridiculing them and taking pot shots every time ? lol





Thank GOD People like you dont run Indian Cricket. The amount of publicity , Goodwill and feel good value that came out of Tendulkars farewell faar out weighs any supposedly bad effects.



Except it takes one rained out match to make a telling difference ... example 1992 WC. Almost all the time you have scenarios where strong teams feel hard done by due to a wash out and it affects the natural order . Example 2002 CT. These things just wont happen in bilaterals.

I take it that you conceed on the other points that you doggedly refuse to answer.

Obviously it isn't a norm. And I don't even agree with it. But he was indeed playing for his captaincy skills, it's a legitimate, fool proof, 100% confirmed and documented FACT. Don't know what's that hard to understand here?

And talking about dodging, how about you oh so obviously dodging the fact that players like Ramprakash were actually dropped for non performance which is the gist of the argument. Would Tendulkar ever have been dropped for non performance? Hell he could have been playing even now if he wanted to even if he were averaging 5, because BCCI is a shameless money scrounging organisation benefiting off of the superstar status of it's cricketers. Don't worry you'll most probably see this scenario repeat soon with Dhoni. It's inevitable.

 

[Proactive_]

Hardly. Graeme Hick was a standard fixture in the England team of early to mid 90s. He used to be compared to Tendulkar lol Whats the next excuse ?

Because he actually averaged around 40 for the first 40 odd Tests of his career which was a decent average in the the 90s. From 96 to 2001, he barely played 24 Tests.

 

[austerlitz]

I don't understand,even ponting,dravid and viv richards performed poorly during the fag end of their careers.As to the farewell,yes tendulkar deserves it for carrying the team alone during the 90s if nothing else in an era of fixers and losers.Without tendulkar in 90s Indian cricket would nowhere be what it is today.This endless batting supply line you see today is his legacy.
Most tendu critics started watching cricket and judge him based on performance 2000-2010,much of which he was crippled and struggling with elbow injury.See tendu in mid 90s,never saw a better player-don't think i will in my lifetime.Yeh kal ke bacche kya samjhenge tendulkar kya tha.

No batsman will ever match his longevity over 24 years.
I'll wait and see the time when another 16 yr old in his first series faces waqar,wasim and imran in a grassy sialkot pitch with pak crowd baying for blood.Gets hit on chin,scores over fifty on 4rth innings to save the match and series for india.

Tendulkar is the ONLY batsman in the history of cricket apart from bradman to have average over both 40 HOME AND ABROAD against ALL test playing opponents.No one else has that.Not lara,not kallis,not ponting,not sehwag,not viv richards,not dravid.NO one.

 

[Tusker]

Obviously it isn't a norm. And I don't even agree with it. But he was indeed playing for his captaincy skills, it's a legitimate, fool proof, 100% confirmed and documented FACT. Don't know what's that hard to understand here?

Well then we have nothing more to discuss here if you accept that you can have a certified non-batsman in the side for 5 years. Tendulkar made more than twice the no.of runs in last last 66 inngs (which is the length of Brearley's entire Test career )

Anyhow Good that you finally see the light.

And talking about dodging, how about you oh so obviously dodging the fact that players like Ramprakash were actually dropped for non performance which is the gist of the argument. Would Tendulkar ever have been dropped for non performance? Hell he could have been playing even now if he wanted to even if he were averaging 5, because BCCI is a shameless money scrounging organisation benefiting off of the superstar status of it's cricketers. Don't worry you'll most probably see this scenario repeat soon with Dhoni. It's inevitable.

The problem here is your shallow understanding of cricket ... nothing to do with Tendulkar. If you dont know the difference between a Tendulkar and Ramprakash I think you have wasted your time on a sport that is quite frankly well beyond your limited capabilities.

And yeah for the record .... you dont drop Tendulkar - period. Very very few players command that kind of respect. This is why a half fit Tendulkar with top hand deeply hampered by Tendonitis was asked to come back into the 2004 Series and he still produced a magical inngs. Greatness is not always measured in runs and wkts.

BTW I already answered this question - going by your flawed logic he should have been dropped in 2005/06 on grounds of form. Tendulkar made more than 9K Intl runs AFTER Jan 2006 .... all that despite the injury baggage and age. This is why Tendulkar is special and gets a different treatment. So Selectors 100 and Practive_ ZERO .You can keep crying trying to use stats to pick holes but as you have seen I can play that game very well too.

 

[Bubby]

This is not a Tendulkar bashing thread I suppose, it is to discuss next gen talent of India, so u guys can take ur frustrations out in other threads.

 

[CanadianG00se]

This is not a Tendulkar bashing thread I suppose, it is to discuss next gen talent of India, so u guys can take ur frustrations out in other threads.

This.

I seriously want Mods to take care of this mess. Thread have been hijacked and turned into bashing Tendulkar. This thread is not even related to Tendulkar in any way.

 

[Hermoine Green]

I am more interested in next generation of spinners which seems excellent.

 

[Abdullah719]

No more posts on the Tendulkar issue here.

Topic is 'Next generation of batting talent in India'.

Create a new thread if you want to continue the aforementioned discussion.

 

[another drop catch]

washington sundar

 

[JattMaula]

washington sundar

Gifted in all the departments of cricket. I have seen almost all of his batting and bowling in Duleep Trophy, he looks ready to play for blue shirts IMO. A solid top order bat with hitting ability. who can bowl miserly in LOs, can also toss the ball up if required.

 

[Bubby]

I am more interested in next generation of spinners which seems excellent.

Rahul chahar -tall leg spinner can turn it big both ways ,good control
Washington sunder -off spinning all-rounder tall and turns the ball has very good control over his line and length a very good batsman and excellent fielder.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Is Sanju Samson still in the picture or proved to be a dud ?? There was a lot of talk I think last year in this forum about him being an exciting prospect ???