No criticism of Australia who batted as slow as Pakistan did on Day 1 during the 'Pindi Test?

[Major]

Imam ul haq was bashed to the core. People on this forum bashed Azhar ali and wanted him to be dropped from the side. Infact, they were unhappy when he scored 150+

Pakistan scored 245 in 90 overs of day 1 with a rr of 2.72

Currently, in the karachi test day 1, australia has batted with a rr of 2.82 with a wicket similar or worse.


Now Pakistani, Azhar and Imam got bashed, where is the criticism for Khawaja and Smith?

 

[hafeezrocks]

Too much negative bowling also by Pakistan. Why must Aussies throw away their wickets batting against negative bowling to keep up the run rate ?

 

[Smudger]

Pakistan are bowling negative lines and the innings is'nt complete yet

 

[Major]

as expected the negative bowling excuse would be bought it.

That was done for the new ball. New ball being used and in the last 10 overs rr is of 2

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Wrong comparison.
1. Aus never bowled negative lines to prevent scoring.
2. This is home series for Pak. The onus to win is on them. The visiting team won't mind draw away from their conditions.

 

[Major]

Wrong comparison.
1. Aus never bowled negative lines to prevent scoring.
2. This is home series for Pak. The onus to win is on them. The visiting team won't mind draw away from their conditions.

the last 10 overs werent negative bowling, they were bowled mostly by pacers, yet the rr was of 2.

Plz come up with a better excuse my friend

 

[Cric1234]

Comparing Steve Smith to Azhar Ali says it all Smith dominates teams at home away from home it’s tougher but he still does well
Azhar is a tailender in SENA other than the odd innings and bats too slow at home in favourable conditions.

Kudos to the OP again comparing batsmen in home conditions to ones batting away from home.

 

[Major]

Comparing Steve Smith to Azhar Ali says it all Smith dominates teams at home away from home it’s tougher but he still does well
Azhar is a tailender in SENA other than the odd innings and bats too slow at home in favourable conditions.

Kudos to the OP again comparing batsmen in home conditions to ones batting away from home.

azhar avgs 52 in australia

 

[Cric1234]

azhar avgs 52 in australia

It’s one country what’s his average in SENA in all countries combined 24 since Misbah and Younis retired has been carrying our batting line up to consistent whitewashes.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Australia batted smartly, just as Pakistan did on Day 1 in Rawalpindi.

Pakistan though completely lost it with their tactics. I mean I know the pitch was unhelpful but 10+ overs of negative bowling is just madness.

If you're not even trying to get the opposition batters out (that too on Day 1), then why are you even playing?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

250-3 on Day 1 is a very good score on any pitch that sets you up to dominate the test match. There's a good chance that this pitch will get worse and worse to bat on as the game progresses. And once that Pakistan should hope they are in a better position than this...

 

[MenInG]

 

[alwiarif46]

I used to think that it is being delusional to blame everything to a conspiracy. But i sometimes wonder whether it's true. The same actions if done by any other team are met with zero criticism and are called fine eg the pitches in India are never criticized. But when the same actions are done by Pakistan they are called out and criticized. This makes me question my judgement whether this really is a propaganda war.

But if it is Pakistan needs to fight it with its full might and in an organized manner.

 

[sindhiboy]

Comparing Steve Smith to Azhar Ali says it all Smith dominates teams at home away from home it’s tougher but he still does well
Azhar is a tailender in SENA other than the odd innings and bats too slow at home in favourable conditions.

Kudos to the OP again comparing batsmen in home conditions to ones batting away from home.

azhar did average 50 in england 2020 and 43 in nz last year

 

[Major]

Australia batted smartly, just as Pakistan did on Day 1 in Rawalpindi.

Pakistan though completely lost it with their tactics. I mean I know the pitch was unhelpful but 10+ overs of negative bowling is just madness.

If you're not even trying to get the opposition batters out (that too on Day 1), then why are you even playing?

im not complaining about pakistan on day 1, but the way journalists bashed imam and azhar and how every azhar ali hater around here used that innings to bash him. Now all of them will stay quiet or use the negative bowling excuse for this innings by australia.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

the last 10 overs werent negative bowling, they were bowled mostly by pacers, yet the rr was of 2.

Plz come up with a better excuse my friend

You neglect nearly 15 overs of negative bowling and

Just to back Azhar ali, and trying to support ur theory with the last 10 overs of the day with the 2nd new ball, every team would like to end the days play without losing a wicket...Thats what Aus did and also sent in Lyon as night watchman...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

"Tactics we are seeing at the moment, it looks like we are looking for a draw - Its ridiculous" : Waqar Younis

That was from the commentary today...

 

[Rana]

Wrong comparison.
1. Aus never bowled negative lines to prevent scoring.
2. This is home series for Pak. The onus to win is on them. The visiting team won't mind draw away from their conditions.

Pat Cummins did set extremely defensive fields

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

im not complaining about pakistan on day 1, but the way journalists bashed imam and azhar and how every azhar ali hater around here used that innings to bash him. Now all of them will stay quiet or use the negative bowling excuse for this innings by australia.

You should not expect anything less from them though. These are people who have grown up on Afridi and T20 cricket. A format that didn't even exist two decades ago. They are obsessed with strike-rates and run-rates and can't appreciate good test cricket, because they've barely seen any. That's also why their ability to analyze test cricket is deeply flawed. Personally, the opinion of such people does not matter to me because I know they don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about.

Its like if someone spent their entire life eating junk food and then started eating gourmet cuisine. You wouldn't be surprised if they thought the gourmet cuisine was garbage.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

250-3 on Day 1 is a very good score on any pitch that sets you up to dominate the test match. There's a good chance that this pitch will get worse and worse to bat on as the game progresses. And once that Pakistan should hope they are in a better position than this...

I would have played leg spinner over Faheem on this wicket. Pak might lose this match. Lyon will enjoy bowling 4th innings on this wicket.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

azhar avgs 52 in australia

How much did he score in the last tour to Aus..

In the last 5 years , Azhar ali has made only 2 hundreds and 3 fifties with an avg of 26.5 and SR 39.40 away from home

15.5 vs Aus
9.83 vs SA
30+ vs Eng in 9 inns (due to the one second inns hundred which prolonged his test career.)
30+ vs WI in 10 inns

And you are comparing this dud with Steve Smith who avgs 65+ away from home

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

azhar did average 50 in england 2020 and 43 in nz last year

You're fighting a losing battle my friend. There's no winning against someone who dislikes Azhar Ali. He could surge their batting average past Bradman and these people would still question why he didn't average 100.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

You should not expect anything less from them though. These are people who have grown up on Afridi and T20 cricket. A format that didn't even exist two decades ago. They are obsessed with strike-rates and run-rates and can't appreciate good test cricket, because they've barely seen any. That's also why their ability to analyze test cricket is deeply flawed. Personally, the opinion of such people does not matter to me because I know they don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about.

Its like if someone spent their entire life eating junk food and then started eating gourmet cuisine. You wouldn't be surprised if they thought the gourmet cuisine was garbage.

Aus batted slow for a while when Pakistan dried them out with negative legside lines. otherwise they would've easily made another 50 -60 runs which is 300+ score on 90 overs is pretty normal..

How can that be compared to inns played in flat pitch in Pindi which has got only 4 wickets for Aus playing 5 days..

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

How much did he score in the last tour to Aus..

In the last 5 years , Azhar ali has made only 2 hundreds and 3 fifties with an avg of 26.5 and SR 39.40 away from home

15.5 vs Aus
9.83 vs SA
30+ vs Eng in 9 inns (due to the one second inns hundred which prolonged his test career.)
30+ vs WI in 10 inns

And you are comparing this dud with Steve Smith who avgs 65+ away from home

And since 2020 he is Pakistan's leading run scorer in tests. Rather than misrepresenting stats you should use them with some context. 5 years is a very long time over which any great player can see his form regress and surge multiple times. Azhar had two terrible years and then rebounded incredibly well especially for someone his age.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I would have played leg spinner over Faheem on this wicket. Pak might lose this match. Lyon will enjoy bowling 4th innings on this wicket.

Aus debuting a legspinner here, Pakistan benched Yasir Shah, how epic is that..

Afridi already raised his concerns when Yasir wasnt selected in 1st test..

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Aus batted slow for a while when Pakistan dried them out with negative legside lines. otherwise they would've easily made another 50 -60 runs which is 300+ score on 90 overs is pretty normal..

How can that be compared to inns played in flat pitch in Pindi which has got only 4 wickets for Aus playing 5 days..

LOL dealing in hypotheticals seems to be the favorite pastime of certain posters here. Did they score 300 or not? Simple question.

If anything, Pakistan's strategy was better because Pakistan only lost 1 wicket. Whereas, Australia who spent the first session playing aggressively also lost 2 wickets in that session. Coincidence? Don't think so.

Like I said, 250 or 1, 2 or 3 is a fantastic total on Day 1 on any pitch in the world that sets you up to dominate a test match.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

LOL dealing in hypotheticals seems to be the favorite pastime of certain posters here. Did they score 300 or not? Simple question.

If anything, Pakistan's strategy was better because Pakistan only lost 1 wicket. Whereas, Australia who spent the first session playing aggressively also lost 2 wickets in that session. Coincidence? Don't think so.

Like I said, 250 or 1, 2 or 3 is a fantastic total on Day 1 on any pitch in the world that sets you up to dominate a test match.

We are just debating which team has less poor approach towards test cricket. Sad state of affairs.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

And since 2020 he is Pakistan's leading run scorer in tests. Rather than misrepresenting stats you should use them with some context. 5 years is a very long time over which any great player can see his form regress and surge multiple times. Azhar had two terrible years and then rebounded incredibly well especially for someone his age.

OK in the last 2 years , he scored one career saving hundred against England
1 fifty against NZL (to highlight in that test Daryl mitchell debutat scored a fast 100 and Kane scored 238 , their total was 659/6)


Just six or seven months ago in their last tour to WI , this guy avg 15.5 from 4 inns.. In total 62 runs from 4 inns against 8th ranked WI..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

LOL dealing in hypotheticals seems to be the favorite pastime of certain posters here. Did they score 300 or not? Simple question.

If anything, Pakistan's strategy was better because Pakistan only lost 1 wicket. Whereas, Australia who spent the first session playing aggressively also lost 2 wickets in that session. Coincidence? Don't think so.

Like I said, 250 or 1, 2 or 3 is a fantastic total on Day 1 on any pitch in the world that sets you up to dominate a test match.

Sounds like bowl 90 overs of negative lines and say they didnt even score any runs..

Till just before Tea they were batting at 3.75 runs an over, In the last session of play , for about 1.5 hrs Pakistan bowled negative lines even Umpires started get into Babar's ears for it and called wides when needed...

 

[Buffet]

Sounds like bowl 90 overs of negative lines and say they didnt even score any runs..

Till just before Tea they were batting at 3.75 runs an over, In the last session of play , for about 1.5 hrs Pakistan bowled negative lines even Umpires started get into Babar's ears for it and called wides when needed...

Aus batting 3.75 per over for the first two sessions. In the last session, Pakistan bowled one and a half hours of negative line and blame should be on Aus to play negative cricket, LOL.

 

[Zaz]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

"Tactics we are seeing at the moment, it looks like we are looking for a draw - Its ridiculous" : Waqar Younis

That was from the commentary today...

Waqar for all the cricket hes played doesnt have great sense

What wouldve been ridiculous to do is continue to attack all day leak runs when theres nothing it it for the bowlers and see the game slip away

Just like any sport youve got to play smart n do game managememt

Couple of early wkts tmrw with the semi new ball n pakistan will be well and truly back in the game

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

OP is right. Pakistanis are hard on themselves and easy on the opposition - particularly from SENA.

I just think it is inferiority complex.

The excuse that onus is on Pakistan to win is a weak one. This is a very strong test team visiting and in this case, Pakistan has to pick if the risks are worth it.

 

[Buffet]

Only one team has played negative cricket in 6 days of play in this series and that's Pakistan. It's perfectly fine if Pakistan thinks they can't compete with normal cricket and are afraid to lose. Who knows they may get a result playing this way, but criticizing Aus for playing negative is funny.

Pakistan actually got results due to playing negatively in the last session. The runs did not flow and the game is not gone.

 

[PakPremi]

Australia is no 1 Test team ans Pakistan no 6, so onus is actually on Australia to win the test. The pitch today offered no home advantage to Pakiatani bowlers, and Babar had to stem flow of runs and not let Austral8a run away with the game 8n one day.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

OK in the last 2 years , he scored one career saving hundred against England
1 fifty against NZL (to highlight in that test Daryl mitchell debutat scored a fast 100 and Kane scored 238 , their total was 659/6)


Just six or seven months ago in their last tour to WI , this guy avg 15.5 from 4 inns.. In total 62 runs from 4 inns against 8th ranked WI..

You say career saving. Everyone else says match-saving. He scored one against Australia too last week incase you forgot.

And considering the fact that he averages 48 in this time-period and has outscored EVERY OTHER PAKISTANI BATSMAN I'd say (and anyone who thinks rationally) he is doing pretty well.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

In the last decade or so Pakistan had Saeed Ajmal, Abdur Rehman and Zulfiqar Babar, then Yasir shah roped in who ripped through many line ups in conditions friendly to spinners.

Now it seems like they are trying to emulate Saeed Ajmal with Sajid Khan and Rehman/Babar with Nauman chachu and Yasir shah with Zahid Mehmood.

I remember PPT selector got Bilal Asif in for Yasir Shah who was dropped for injury and missed Bangladesh

Seriously are the spinners cupboard really empty that they fall into these chacha walas who can go play cricket for UAE or Oman until 50 yrs old

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Our people will go to any extent to crucify our own people.

 

[cricketerB94]

You are missing 1 very important factor. The overcast conditions for Pindi test. Yes, at the start of the Pindi test there was rain expected for at least 1 full day and everyone knows that it gets dark in Pindi pretty quickly when sun sets, so all the 90 overs were not possible everyday. So in Pindi, they were playing virtually a 4-day test match and you would expect a better batting approach for a 4-day test match from home team.

The second very big difference is that there was nothing for fast bowlers in Pindi pitch. But in Karachi, we have already seen the conventional swing and reverse swing. This means that this pitch is comparatively more difficult to play and score runs and Aus did very well on it considering that they are the away team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Australia hasn't reached a safer position yet. Australia has lost 3 wickets. They even had a mini collapse. Pakistan was never in a spot of bother. until 313 runs. Looking at the scorecard it appears Warner did start positively. Given the context, it is understandable why they had to be conservative. Labu's wicket probably slowed them down.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

You say career saving. Everyone else says match-saving. He scored one against Australia too last week incase you forgot.

And considering the fact that he averages 48 in this time-period and has outscored EVERY OTHER PAKISTANI BATSMAN I'd say (and anyone who thinks rationally) he is doing pretty well.

Rain and badlight also played a match saving inns there if i rmb correctly..

That was a breathtaking inns from Azhar ali , dont wanna belittle that.. but so much experience touching his 100th test nearly, he should be backbone of test batting line up in away tests especially, but he always looked to be a batsman who can get out anytime even after facing 200 balls.... After MISYOU retirement he regressed so bad, and even recently he failed to score any runs against WI..

Also against Bangladesh , he once got out for duck then scored in the next test scored a grinding 50 to save his face..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Waqar for all the cricket hes played doesnt have great sense

What wouldve been ridiculous to do is continue to attack all day leak runs when theres nothing it it for the bowlers and see the game slip away

Just like any sport youve got to play smart n do game managememt

Couple of early wkts tmrw with the semi new ball n pakistan will be well and truly back in the game

Lol , hopefully your dream comes true.. Australia will score in excess of 400 and will dominate this test from there and I expect Pakistan to bat at 2-3 RPO and go into their usual shell that was built by Misbah decades ago..

 

[Clueless]

Match 1 Match 2
Session 1 105/1 100/2
Session2 66/0 72/0
Session 3 74/0 79/1

Australia lost 2 wickets in first session and another in third, they were rebuilding after Fall of 2 early wickets. What were PAkistani batter doing all day?
There is a huge difference between losing 3 wickets and just 1. and still Australians are marginally faster than Pakistanis. and oh yes, Away from Home !!

 

[Clueless]

and also Pakistan continued tuk tuk deep into day 2... lets see what australia does tomorrow

 

[daytrader]

Lol , hopefully your dream comes true.. Australia will score in excess of 400 and will dominate this test from there and I expect Pakistan to bat at 2-3 RPO and go into their usual shell that was built by Misbah decades ago..

Bro do you need an excuse to drop in Misbah's name whenever things go bad? You randomly keep mentioning him in your posts. It's like when you don't have any other argument, you bring up the magic word 'Misbah'. He's no where near the team now, give it a rest!

 

[Shazzam]

I knew someone would make a thread about this when I woke up. If one was to look at the scorecard they would think they played similarly but nope. Pakistan bowling negative lines forced Australia to play the way they played. Where as Azhar and Imam played the whole match as if they were being bowled negative lines.

 

[Shazzam]

Waqar for all the cricket hes played doesnt have great sense

What wouldve been ridiculous to do is continue to attack all day leak runs when theres nothing it it for the bowlers and see the game slip away

Just like any sport youve got to play smart n do game managememt

Couple of early wkts tmrw with the semi new ball n pakistan will be well and truly back in the game

If this tactic is appreciated than I can see why Test cricket is not for everybody. This tactic does nothing but wastes the batters time and viewers time. You might as well avoid watching the match all together.

 

[Shazzam]

Bro do you need an excuse to drop in Misbah's name whenever things go bad? You randomly keep mentioning him in your posts. It's like when you don't have any other argument, you bring up the magic word 'Misbah'. He's no where near the team now, give it a rest!

He does not need to be near the team to have influenced such batting. We have seen effects of that already with players thanking the almighty and doing sajda since Inzi’s time.

 

[Chrish]

Blame is on Pakistan for dishing out these garbage tracks..

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Rain and badlight also played a match saving inns there if i rmb correctly..

That was a breathtaking inns from Azhar ali , dont wanna belittle that.. but so much experience touching his 100th test nearly, he should be backbone of test batting line up in away tests especially, but he always looked to be a batsman who can get out anytime even after facing 200 balls.... After MISYOU retirement he regressed so bad, and even recently he failed to score any runs against WI..

Also against Bangladesh , he once got out for duck then scored in the next test scored a grinding 50 to save his face..

Well the numbers show the exact contrary of what you're saying. If he was regressing and so easily replaceable someone would have outscored him in the last two years. But that hasn't been the case has it? He has quite literally been our most prolific test batter. All I'm reading from you here is hearsay and personal, biased opinions. No numbers or statistics to support your argument.

Its been 5 years since MisYou. Pakistan has been on a much different trajectory since Sarfraz's captaincy which is why its meaningless to start looking at things from 2017. For the last 2 years the team has been fairly settled.

Also, a handful of bad innings don't mean anything taken in isolation. Which is essentially what you are doing. Its always about the bigger picture. I mean Steve Smith averages 29 in Bangladesh, what conclusions are you going to draw from that?

 

[daytrader]

He does not need to be near the team to have influenced such batting. We have seen effects of that already with players thanking the almighty and doing sajda since Inzi’s time.

Then I guess the Aussies must have also been influenced by Misbah because they're playing in Misbah's home country

 

[Rana]

Tbf I think Babar was wrong to begin his defensive, negative ploy especially when the ball was reversing beautifully for the fast bowlers. They should have persisted with the pacers for a few more overs before slowing it down. That was 15 overs of leg side negative bowling.

The funny thing was, sajid khan struggled to bowl straight throughout the day but found a purpose when bowling that negative line. As soon as pakistan re-started with the straight balls, he again began to drift down leg side.

Poor, poor day from him

 

[Savak]

I have seen MS Dhoni resort to these tactics. On this road, I don't blame the team management for trying to stem the flow of runs. 250/3 is way better than 370-400 at the end of the day.

A few wickets tomorrow and Pakistan can restrict them to a reasonable total.

 

[topspin]

Bro do you need an excuse to drop in Misbah's name whenever things go bad? You randomly keep mentioning him in your posts. It's like when you don't have any other argument, you bring up the magic word 'Misbah'. He's no where near the team now, give it a rest!

I think it's you who needs to get over this obsession with Misbah because you're the one who's obviously triggered.

[MENTION=137698]ask_analyse_act[/MENTION] isn't wrong, Misbah created this culture during his captaincy and continued with it during his disastrous tenure as Head Coach of the team.

 

[topspin]

He does not need to be near the team to have influenced such batting. We have seen effects of that already with players thanking the almighty and doing sajda since Inzi’s time.

Facts!

Inzi was responsible for allowing Tableeghi to infiltrate Pakistan cricket and the effects of this remain present to this very day.

 

[topspin]

This thread has backfired spectacularly. OP thought the rest of PP would be oblivious to Pakistan's negative tactics and it comes to no surprise that he fails to mention that Misbah introduced this mindset to Pakistan cricket during his career as captain and head coach.

 

[Major]

This thread has backfired spectacularly. OP thought the rest of PP would be oblivious to Pakistan's negative tactics and it comes to no surprise that he fails to mention that Misbah introduced this mindset to Pakistan cricket during his career as captain and head coach.

just so you know, a thread that isnt made to prove a point every time. It is made for discussion.

Rest of PP.... stop thinking as if there is a fight going on all the time, its just a discussion

 

[Shazzam]

Then I guess the Aussies must have also been influenced by Misbah because they're playing in Misbah's home country

That makes no sense since the Aussies played at a faster run rate than Pakistan has. Misbah never entered there dressing room to influence anything. He is not there national icon either.

 

[PakPremi]

He does not need to be near the team to have influenced such batting. We have seen effects of that already with players thanking the almighty and doing sajda since Inzi’s time.

How is doing sajda and thanking Almighty a bad thing?

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I don't understand why people drag and blame Misbah in all discussions. He is long retired and not part of team management either. High time fans also start questioning captaincy of Babar. You can't keep him wrapped in cotton all the time.

 

[iniqbal223]

Imam ul haq was bashed to the core. People on this forum bashed Azhar ali and wanted him to be dropped from the side. Infact, they were unhappy when he scored 150+

Pakistan scored 245 in 90 overs of day 1 with a rr of 2.72

Currently, in the karachi test day 1, australia has batted with a rr of 2.82 with a wicket similar or worse.


Now Pakistani, Azhar and Imam got bashed, where is the criticism for Khawaja and Smith?

Because Australia is playing here for first time ever , and Pakistan players have been playing here since childhood. They also lost 3 wickets on the way to score 257 (Karachi pitch is better than Pindi)

 

[Major]

I don't understand why people drag and blame Misbah in all discussions. He is long retired and not part of team management either. High time fans also start questioning captaincy of Babar. You can't keep him wrapped in cotton all the time.

they will never question babar would they?

 

[daytrader]

That makes no sense since the Aussies played at a faster run rate than Pakistan has. Misbah never entered there dressing room to influence anything. He is not there national icon either.

Exactly, doesn't make sense right? Neither did your logic mate

 

[daytrader]

This thread has backfired spectacularly. OP thought the rest of PP would be oblivious to Pakistan's negative tactics and it comes to no surprise that he fails to mention that Misbah introduced this mindset to Pakistan cricket during his career as captain and head coach.

Only the hater lot on PP keeps mentioning Misbah when he's even no longer around. There's a handful of you that will never appreciate his greatness

 

[Major]

Only the hater lot on PP keeps mentioning Misbah when he's even no longer around. There's a handful of you that will never appreciate his greatness

no point in arguing with the lot especially [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] ..

They will keep on hating and keep on mentioning the guy in every thread. Just a waste of time to indulge with them

 

[daytrader]

no point in arguing with the lot especially [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] ..

They will keep on hating and keep on mentioning the guy in every thread. Just a waste of time to indulge with them

I usually don't but once in a while they need reminders that there PPers who appreciate Misbah and will expose their hate agenda

 

[Sarwar89]

I don't understand why people drag and blame Misbah in all discussions. He is long retired and not part of team management either. High time fans also start questioning captaincy of Babar. You can't keep him wrapped in cotton all the time.

People in Pakistan wrongfully think that Misbah was slowest batsman. Perhaps little bit of history involving strike rates of Hanif Muhammad, Nazar Muhammad, Mudassar Nazar is completely neglected.
Till this day it is Mudassar who holds the record of slowest test century.

Ironically misbah was joint fastest test centurian in history at some stage. What an irony.

 

[topspin]

Only the hater lot on PP keeps mentioning Misbah when he's even no longer around. There's a handful of you that will never appreciate his greatness

no point in arguing with the lot especially [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] ..

They will keep on hating and keep on mentioning the guy in every thread. Just a waste of time to indulge with them

I have no hate for Misbah, I hate what he did to Pakistan cricket.

Having said that I respect him for when he captained the side from 2009 to 2013 (this is when he should have retired) - at a time when Pakistan cricket was at an all-time low, following the spot fixing scandal and Sri Lanka attack.

 

[Shazzam]

How is doing sajda and thanking Almighty a bad thing?

Never said it was a bad thing nor good thing just used it as a point to prove that influence can remain of someone whose no longer in the dressing room.

 

[Shazzam]

Exactly, doesn't make sense right? Neither did your logic mate

My logic made far more sense than yours. Misbah was in the same dressing room as the Pakistan team so he did have an influence on how the team plays today. Your point made no sense since Misbah was never inside the Australian dressing room, nor was he ever an Australian cricketer. Landing on someone's land does not give influence either. You tried brother its ok.

 

[wrongun]

LOl @ the OP here...

Bowling a metre outside leg, with keeper standing outside leg before even tea on day 1? That is the sole reason there is less criticism of Oz scoring rate.

It was a negative tactic from Babar, brought on by Oz quick scoring before that (4 an over?) and realising his spinners couldn't hold a normal line, let alone pose a threat.

And fair enough I can see why- Babar thought he needed to get back some control of proceedings and hope for a mistake. But it didn't come.

It's just a bit disheartening to watch a game of cricket on a pitch where 2 genuine edges found off the brand new ball by the opening bowlers, fall so short of the slips that we see slips trying to stand up 5m from the bat in session 1 because the pitch is the definition of dead.

This pitch might break up & spin at least (I don't know, I have boundless ignorance of Pakistan pitches recently).

But from what I've seen Ramiz Raja's drop ins can't come soon enough. It's hurting the game & both teams. If there was even close to any normal bounce Pakistan could have had Oz 2 for 20 in the first session & THEN go to work with spinners & maybe have batsmen not set when the ball starts reversing (much harder to face coming in for new batters). And then we have a game of cricket instead of a batathon where runouts remain one of the few wicket taking modes.

 

[moghul]

Imam ul haq was bashed to the core. People on this forum bashed Azhar ali and wanted him to be dropped from the side. Infact, they were unhappy when he scored 150+

Pakistan scored 245 in 90 overs of day 1 with a rr of 2.72

Currently, in the karachi test day 1, australia has batted with a rr of 2.82 with a wicket similar or worse.


Now Pakistani, Azhar and Imam got bashed, where is the criticism for Khawaja and Smith?

I thought you knew cricket better and understand what negative bowling does , a thread for the sake of it.

 

[daytrader]

My logic made far more sense than yours. Misbah was in the same dressing room as the Pakistan team so he did have an influence on how the team plays today. Your point made no sense since Misbah was never inside the Australian dressing room, nor was he ever an Australian cricketer. Landing on someone's land does not give influence either. You tried brother its ok.

Key word, he WAS in the dressing room. Isn't there any longer. The influence you believe he has is imaginary and only in your head my friend. Test cricket in Pakistan has for a majority of part, been boring.

For perspective there's been 150 tests played in Pakistan, 70 have been drawn. In comparison Australia has played 435 at home with only 85 being drawn! So to put the blame of Pakistan playing a boring brand of test cricket at home on only one person is completely illogical. Our history contradicts your beliefs.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If Pakistan is gonna bowl wide balls then definitely Aussies are not gonna pounce on them and gift away their wickets.

 

[Punjab Kings]

Pakistan is playing in home........
And still dreaming of playing WTC Final at Lords...........

 

[jnaveen1980]

I have seen MS Dhoni resort to these tactics. On this road, I don't blame the team management for trying to stem the flow of runs. 250/3 is way better than 370-400 at the end of the day.

A few wickets tomorrow and Pakistan can restrict them to a reasonable total.

He had 1-8 field and conceded 167 runs in an entire day's play. But that was defensive field set. But not negative.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/australia-choked-by-8-1-field-377450

 

[thecrusade911]

Imam ul haq was bashed to the core. People on this forum bashed Azhar ali and wanted him to be dropped from the side. Infact, they were unhappy when he scored 150+

Pakistan scored 245 in 90 overs of day 1 with a rr of 2.72

Currently, in the karachi test day 1, australia has batted with a rr of 2.82 with a wicket similar or worse.


Now Pakistani, Azhar and Imam got bashed, where is the criticism for Khawaja and Smith?

They were mainly criticized because they played too slowly on the second day as well. Australia won't.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Well the numbers show the exact contrary of what you're saying. If he was regressing and so easily replaceable someone would have outscored him in the last two years. But that hasn't been the case has it? He has quite literally been our most prolific test batter. All I'm reading from you here is hearsay and personal, biased opinions. No numbers or statistics to support your argument.

Its been 5 years since MisYou. Pakistan has been on a much different trajectory since Sarfraz's captaincy which is why its meaningless to start looking at things from 2017. For the last 2 years the team has been fairly settled.

Also, a handful of bad innings don't mean anything taken in isolation. Which is essentially what you are doing. Its always about the bigger picture. I mean Steve Smith averages 29 in Bangladesh, what conclusions are you going to draw from that?

I have given the stats in many posts above , you can give the stats of Azhar for last 2 years to support your arguement.. If i rmb correctly he has scored only one away century against England in the last 2 years..

He is the senior most batsman for Pak who has played this format ever since 2010 , without being dropped from the squad.. He still looks to me as if he plays the same way , same range of shots , only thing he does well was blocking, he had a good start as an opener under MA and was dominating with lots of away runs which was pleasing to see , then reverted back to no.3

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I am afraid IndvsSL test match will be over before Aus finish batting their first innings. What an extreme pitches on both sides. One dead wicket other minefield. Poor test cricket.

 

[PakPremi]

If Pakistan is gonna bowl wide balls then definitely Aussies are not gonna pounce on them and gift away their wickets.

Well Pakistan have not done much of that today Aussies still not trying to score at fast rate.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Bro do you need an excuse to drop in Misbah's name whenever things go bad? You randomly keep mentioning him in your posts. It's like when you don't have any other argument, you bring up the magic word 'Misbah'. He's no where near the team now, give it a rest!

I hope you get my point, defensive mindset is deep-rooted into this Pakistan dressing room for more than a decade now and the seed was sown by the captain who was there for more than half decade as captain and also as a coach ensure that it is continued..

Dont see teams going into defensive mode from day 1 to stop the runs of the opposition. Now that takes the chance of Pakistan winning the test completely out and given the platform for Aus to dominate this test right from Day 2.. Against decent and top opposition this is what happens when the approach is like that..

Someone threw example of Dhoni setting 8-1 field against Katich and Hussey to stop the flow of runs is completely different from what Pakistan did yesterday..