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No criticism of Australia who batted as slow as Pakistan did on Day 1 during the 'Pindi Test?

Key word, he WAS in the dressing room. Isn't there any longer.

Thats a moot point as influence can remain even if the person is not in the dressing room. As I already answered with the Inzi point.


The influence you believe he has is imaginary and only in your head my friend. Test cricket in Pakistan has for a majority of part, been boring.

No its not imaginary, nor is it only in my head. Our batsmen bat the same way regardless if its in Pakistan or Australia. So his influence is still there. It has nothing to do with Tests being boring in Pakistan.


For perspective there's been 150 tests played in Pakistan, 70 have been drawn. In comparison Australia has played 435 at home with only 85 being drawn! So to put the blame of Pakistan playing a boring brand of test cricket at home on only one person is completely illogical. Our history contradicts your beliefs.

We play boring brand of cricket anywhere in the world. This is not anything new it started from Misbah's time as a captain who influenced a team to play a certain way.
 
I have given the stats in many posts above , you can give the stats of Azhar for last 2 years to support your arguement.. If i rmb correctly he has scored only one away century against England in the last 2 years..

He is the senior most batsman for Pak who has played this format ever since 2010 , without being dropped from the squad.. He still looks to me as if he plays the same way , same range of shots , only thing he does well was blocking, he had a good start as an opener under MA and was dominating with lots of away runs which was pleasing to see , then reverted back to no.3

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...al1=span;team=7;template=results;type=batting

Just because you don't like the way he plays doesn't mean he isn't scoring runs or isn't a good player. This is such a cliche with Pakistani fans. Just because a player looks ugly while batting or doesn't have a high range of shots, therefore he has to be a bad player.

Oh and just btw, Azhar's average during the last two years is also the second highest after Fawad Alam's. Which means he has quite literally been Pakistan's best or second best batter during this period no matter how you look at it.
 
Current run rate is around 2.7

Not showing much urgency at all despite batting for nearly 2 days.
 
Current run rate is around 2.7

Not showing much urgency at all despite batting for nearly 2 days.

No need for urgency, the pitch is a road and nothing is going to happen in this match, Australia should just get as much batting practice as they can.
 
No need for urgency, the pitch is a road and nothing is going to happen in this match, Australia should just get as much batting practice as they can.
Thats because they know how we crumble under pressure and the pitch is taking slight turn so that should be enough for us
 
Thats because they know how we crumble under pressure and the pitch is taking slight turn so that should be enough for us

Pak are going to score 400+ so it is not worth trying to do anything other than bat as long as you can.
 
only way there is a result is a pak lollapse, and anything around 500 might do it, cant force a result anymore, so whats the point of leaving pak with a way back in the game.

given the way pak bat theres no way pak are even getting close to this score before end of day 4. absolute joke of a series, ramiz talks a good game but he needs to deliver.
 
Current run rate is around 2.7

Not showing much urgency at all despite batting for nearly 2 days.

I agree — it is most amusing seeing the posters in this thread trying to justify their criticisms of the Pakistani RR in the first at Pindi when Aus have replicated the same approach.
As I posted before, this is historically the sort of run rates seen in test cricket — even in the last ten years it’s barely been at 3.

There is a justifiable criticism to be levelled at Test pitches (the one in the End vs WI game is also dire).
But that is for the ICC…. don’t hold your breath
 
Run rate now a whopping 2.82 runs per over.
 
Lol they are playing an away series and can play as slow as they want.

Imagine if Pakistan played this slow in SENA and still got to 500, we would have loved it.

You can’t compare the two teams as Pakistani batsmen are brought up on these pitches. They played like scared chickens and only when Australia showed them how to play on that wicket our batters came out and played some positive cricket in second innings.

Besides, let Pakistan bat on this wicket first then we can talk more.
 
Not gone unnoticed by their own media:

Despite casting aspersions upon Pakistan's batting intent across the first two days of the first Test, Australia have taken a near identical approach to the second with no guarantee they won't continue their innings into tomorrow.

The lack of urgency in Australia's batting this evening is highlighted by Mitchell Starc's watchful contribution of 28no from 95 balls, a glaring contrast to his Test career batting strike rate of almost 67 per 100 balls faced.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mat...smith-live-scores-video-highlights/2022-03-13
 
At the end it is PCB"s fault for producing such flat and ridiculous pitch. I don't know what they want to achieve with this.
 
A day after Usman Khawaja took a swipe at a Pakistan go-slow, Australia's batsmen have been accused of the same thing.

Pundits potted Australia's lack of acceleration and no declaration as they amassed 8-505 by stumps on day two of the second Test in Karachi.

Pakistan had copped similar criticism in their first innings of the drawn series-opener in Rawalpindi.

"Pakistan were in the same position last game but they just didn't do it, they didn't really take any opportunity to increase their run rate," Khawaja said after Karachi's opening day.

But Australia's Alex Carey, who fell seven runs short of his maiden Test ton in Karachi, said it's easier said than done, adding a declaration on Sunday was never in Australia's plans.

"The captain basically said to the batters to 'get your head around batting all day, unless the message comes otherwise'," Carey said.

"It's not the easiest wicket to score quickly on. It is starting to be a little bit variable, inconsistent, there was reverse swing at times.

"The more runs we can get in this first innings, obviously it sets us up at the back-end ... the game will move quicker going into the back-end of tomorrow, day four and day five."

Carey's knock of 93 from 159 balls was the free-flowing outlier for the Australians.

His highest Test score, combined with Khawaja's 160 (369 balls) and Steve Smith's 72 (214 balls), have put Australia in a no-lose position.

Floods 'Black Summer all over again'
But can Australia's bowlers take 20 Pakistani wickets in three days to deliver the nation a first win in nine Tests in Karachi?

Carey believes so.

"The beauty of having Mitchell Starc in our side, 145 clicks (kilometres per hour) with reverse swing is going to be difficult," he said.

"Pat Cummins is the same and also Greeny (Cameron Green), so we have got some weapons there when the ball starts to reverse swing to hopefully utilise that.

"And then just super excited to see the two spinners.

"We know Nath (Nathan Lyon) hits a beautiful area regularly ... and Mitchell Swepson, there is enough there from the end he is going to bowl at, there's enough footmarks, there's enough variability, there's some cracks opening.

"We know it's going to be difficult to take 20 opportunities but I think the game will speed up as well."

Carey admitted disappointment at just missing his first Test century - he was bowled three overs before stumps attempting an aggressive sweep off part-time spinner Babar Azam.

"So close - unfortunately it's the way it goes," he said.

"I thought I was pretty disciplined and patient throughout the day.

"I saw an opportunity to hit one over cow (corner) late in the day, a pretty big gap out there.

"I will probably hit the pillow and have a few other shots go through my head but that is the beauty of this game - if you're slightly off, you'll lose your wicket at the highest level."

https://7news.com.au/sport/cricket/aussies-defend-test-tactics-in-pakistan-c-6042756
 
Thats a moot point as influence can remain even if the person is not in the dressing room. As I already answered with the Inzi point.




No its not imaginary, nor is it only in my head. Our batsmen bat the same way regardless if its in Pakistan or Australia. So his influence is still there. It has nothing to do with Tests being boring in Pakistan.




We play boring brand of cricket anywhere in the world. This is not anything new it started from Misbah's time as a captain who influenced a team to play a certain way.

Oh bhai you missed the elephant in the room. Misbah wasn't around for all our 150 home tests. We were playing boring cricket before and after him.
 
Current run rate is around 2.7

Not showing much urgency at all despite batting for nearly 2 days.

Can't blame Aussies for that , they didn't ask for negative bowling . They scored 100 in first session when our express bowers were throwing "thunderbolts" are 134-135 pace at them. They are looking for win in this test and series, not trying to draw it. After winning this , they will draw at Lahore and will be happy to wrap up the series 1-0 or even 2-0 if they had a sniff at Lahore .
 
The series has been a yawnfest. It's been like one long benefit match.

It needs some spark, an incident maybe, some controversy even to bring it to life.
 
Can't blame Aussies for that , they didn't ask for negative bowling . They scored 100 in first session when our express bowers were throwing "thunderbolts" are 134-135 pace at them. They are looking for win in this test and series, not trying to draw it. After winning this , they will draw at Lahore and will be happy to wrap up the series 1-0 or even 2-0 if they had a sniff at Lahore .

500 in 180 overs isn't earth-shattering with so many wickets in hand.

More positive teams than the 2 playing in Karachi would have looked to get closer to 600 across the 2 days play.
 
I thought Australia would have got around 550 by the end of the second day.
 
Orrrr...AU is out there to teach PCB that if they are hell bent on preparing such garbage, they will add insult to the injury by adding more borefest to this series resulting in less gate money. I do not believe AU has any interest left to have a result in this test as well.
 
How can Australia lose interest there are vital away points can be won against an average opponent. Posters are just makibg excuses Australia are just as scared of ordinary opponents.
 
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How can Australia lose interest there are vital away points can be won against an average opponent. Posters are just makibg excuses Australia are just as scared of ordinary opponents.

AU is playing against its weakness - slow batting wicket with no bounce. Instead of huffing and puffing, think logically. If Pak visits AU or SA and reached this score, it would have been considered an accomplishment since they would have played against their weakness. Under the circumstances when the wickets favors Pak, they have played more defensively. AU did not bowl as negatively in the first test vs Pak in this test. Pak tailor-made the wicket to presumably suit their strength; why then such a defensive tactic? It is completely absurd calling this AMOUNT of negative legside bowling as a test tactic and then on top of it, blaming AU run rate.
 
The series has been a yawnfest. It's been like one long benefit match.

It needs some spark, an incident maybe, some controversy even to bring it to life.

Sums it up quite accurately.

What a letdown of a series.
 
Disagree with the need of some controversy or sledging for this series. Need to promote Australian Pakistani Bhai Chara.
 
Disagree with the need of some controversy or sledging for this series. Need to promote Australian Pakistani Bhai Chara.

No please i need some fire in test cricket. It was so disappointing to see Warner and Shaheen exchanging smiles. I don't like to see happy fast bowlers. I want to see some jazba :amir3
 
This test going nicely for Australia. They always seem have a plan.
 
The point I made in the last match was that if you are going to try and be attritional - see it through and make a big score like 550, don’t declare at 470. Guess what Australia did? Exactly what I said. Now they have scoreboard pressure and everything Australia do with the ball and in the field is amplified.

That is how you play attritional cricket (if you really want to)
 
One can argue that a bit more urgency in the first innings could have changed the result of the match. Just saying.
 
One can argue that a bit more urgency in the first innings could have changed the result of the match. Just saying.

nothing to do with it. 6 dropped catches were issue.

if shaffique would have been caught by smith we would have be 38/3 just after lunch on day 4. When shaffique did get out we were 245/3 on lunch on day 5.

That one catch cost Australia a full days play in the field.
 
nothing to do with it. 6 dropped catches were issue.

if shaffique would have been caught by smith we would have be 38/3 just after lunch on day 4. When shaffique did get out we were 245/3 on lunch on day 5.

That one catch cost Australia a full days play in the field.

Did khawaja get dropped in the first Innings ?
 
Pakistan was heavily criticized for bowling negatively, and throughout this match, Swepson mostly bowled outside leg, trying to take advantage of rough (sure)...but if that is not negative bowling, then what it is?

Yet, no one said a word about it!
 
Azhar and Imam were slower.

Pakistan were bowling negative line and that slowed things down considerably.
 
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