No depth and pace visible in Mohammad Amir’s bowling : Abdul Razzaq

[TalentSpotterPk]

Quotes from post match analysis on television :


Host : Razzaq one positive from Pakistan side was Mohammad Amir’s bowling. He took 3 wickets while previously he was struggling to take wickets.


Razzaq : See, to be honest we are not seeing any depth or pace in Mohammad Amir’s bowling. His fastest bowls are around 134, 135 kph while average pace is 131, 132 kph. There is no sharpness in his bowling and nor is there any swing. He is pitching the ball in the middle of pitch and is not getting any movement. He is 27 years old and this is peak time for a fast bowler, either his official age is not correct. In my view he might be 33-34 as we can see that from 144 kph his pace is down to 134 kph.

 

[IAJ]

He doesn’t look like 33-34, but with us pakistanis you never know.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Fully agree with Abdul Razzaq.


While Amir’s super fans for whom he is a cult figure and rebirth of Wasim Akram there are all gaga over his 3 fluke wickets. Reality is bitter.



2 of Amir’s wickets were gifts from Windies batsmen poor shots. While for the wicket of Bravo all credit goes to that patch on the wicket which resulted in Haris Sohail’s dismissal aswell. Sharp uneasy bounce from back of a length, ball rose appreciably and caught Haris & Bravo’s edge.



Persistent issues with Mohammad Amir :

1. Lack of Speed. Medium fast mostly with 5 % deliveries in fast medium range.

2. Wrist not completely behind the ball with Amir cutting the ball slightly in all his deliveries resulting in lack of upright seam and a sense of any swing which used to be his biggest asset.

3. Poor physique and fitness.



Hope he bounces back somehow. Pitches would improve now and will be batting heaven mostly. Uptil now failure of Rao Iftikhar Anjum, Azhar Mehmood & Amir. If Coaches are doing their best than failure of the student ie the player.



Pakistan needs Amir we witnessed in March 2016 vs Bangladesh. Left arm fast with deadly late swing.

 

[sjahmed23]

Lmao now everyone is doubting our cricketers age. So much for credibility then they wonder why no international team trusts us with their security.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

He looked a genuine 17 in 2009 and was confirmed back then.

His fastest ball against WI was 140 Kph.

Both Misbah Ul Haq and Abdul Razzaq just want to run their mouths because they are seniors.

 

[Titan24]

I agree with all other points but that age thing is bit of an exaggeration.

Though Steyn is still bowing around 145 kph and he is 35.

Its the fitness issue with Mohammad Amir for sometime now. Currently Amir isnt fully match fit and thats due to illness recently but hopefully he can improve as tournament progresses.

 

[Titan24]

Lmao now everyone is doubting our cricketers age. So much for credibility then they wonder why no international team trusts us with their security.

We had problems like that before but Amir is the product of time when all the medical tests and wrist tests were in place and he looked like a teenager when he debuted as you can see from photos.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

He looked a genuine 17 in 2009 and was confirmed back then.

His fastest ball against WI was 140 Kph.

Both Misbah Ul Haq and Abdul Razzaq just want to run their mouths because they are seniors.

Most probably bro [MENTION=139634]Finisher[/MENTION] or [MENTION=139116]Seamer[/MENTION] have posted on this forum wrt Amir’s age fudging. One even knows him through his village fellows. Probably 2-3 years dandee.


Misbah & Razzaq are spot on wrt their analyses of his bowling vs Windies. There was nothing inspiring at all. He won’t get lucky each game with such bowling (I hope, wish & pray that he does)

 

[Markhor]

I wouldn't just single out Amir when the construction of the whole bowling attack is faulty.

When constructing a limited overs attack, you want your pacers to regularly hit a consistent line and length, have a range of speeds, angles and variations. That's gotta be the bare minimum.

Your spinners have got to spin the ball both ways not rely on darters like us.

New Zealand pacers for example all bring something different. Boult provides a left arm angle and can move the ball both ways. Henry provides the right arm angle whereas Ferguson is a great weapon if the ball is not swinging with his raw pace. Same with Australia.

Whereas ours is a one dimensional attack. Nobody swings the new ball, nobody can execute yorkers reliably, no hit the deck bowler and no gun spinner.

 

[sjahmed23]

We had problems like that before but Amir is the product of time when all the medical tests and wrist tests were in place and he looked like a teenager when he debuted as you can see from photos.

Yes he does not look like he is hiding his age, but our cricketers have a huge credibility problem that is not going away anytime soon.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Most probably bro [MENTION=139634]Finisher[/MENTION] or [MENTION=139116]Seamer[/MENTION] have posted on this forum wrt Amir’s age fudging. One even knows him through his village fellows. Probably 2-3 years dandee.


Misbah & Razzaq are spot on wrt their analyses of his bowling vs Windies. There was nothing inspiring at all. He won’t get lucky each game with such bowling (I hope, wish & pray that he does)

What prove do we have that they know him and are not Misbah Ul Haq and Abdul Razzaq in reality?

It was pretty much clear that he was 18 in 2010 when being sent to jail.

This is criticism for sake of it.

 

[kingusama92]

I mentioned this in the other thread, Amir passed the age verification test before playing in the U-19 WC.

You don't pass that by being 6-7 years older than your listed age.

 

[dildilpak]

What prove do we have that they know him and are not Misbah Ul Haq and Abdul Razzaq in reality?

It was pretty much clear that he was 18 in 2010 when being sent to jail.

This is criticism for sake of it.

How do you know his biological age was 18 when he went to jail? Did the UK police conduct a bone test on him back then?

His age is definitely a suspect seeing how he has slowed down the last couple of years.

 

[shariqnoor]

Amir will go for plenty against England. No zip, no swing. Recipe for disaster. People are just finding positives from the Windies match when there are none. Amir was lucky to get those wickets. Hardly deserving deliveries.

 

[Titan24]

How do you know his biological age was 18 when he went to jail? Did the UK police conduct a bone test on him back then?

His age is definitely a suspect seeing how he has slowed down the last couple of years.

If pace is true reflection of age the Steyn must be 28-29 in reality as he can still ball at 145 kph at 35 years of age.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

How do you know his biological age was 18 when he went to jail? Did the UK police conduct a bone test on him back then?

His age is definitely a suspect seeing how he has slowed down the last couple of years.

There was some age verification test. Other reasons are also possible for drop in pace at any age.

 

[shah_1]

He should retire after this WC

Raw Haris Rauf is 10 times the bowler he is

 

[dhump]

Aamir didn't look like the world beater, but he was still better than the lot. Razzaq and co were good players of their time, but they are not remarkable humans who keep their anger and hate in control when talking about cricket with neutrality.

 

[Savak]

What prove do we have that they know him and are not Misbah Ul Haq and Abdul Razzaq in reality?

It was pretty much clear that he was 18 in 2010 when being sent to jail.

This is criticism for sake of it.

Actually Saj has confirmed that Amir was older than 18 in 2010 and was lucky to be sent to Juvenile Prison as opposed to regular prison

 

[Savak]

Amir needs to fill up. Hasan Ali has the perfect fast bowler's physique. Amir is too skinny in comparison.

 

[Titan24]

Actually Saj has confirmed that Amir was older than 18 in 2010 and was lucky to be sent to Juvenile Prison as opposed to regular prison

Yes Amir was officially 18 years and few months and juvenile is only for below 18. Court gave him some leniency I guess that is why it was called lucky. Him being over 18 doesn’t necessarily mean he was 20.

 

[dildilpak]

If pace is true reflection of age the Steyn must be 28-29 in reality as he can still ball at 145 kph at 35 years of age.

Steyn can still bowl at 145 in short bursts, but even he is so susceptible to injury these days - after a particular age you cannot sustain that tempo without becoming vulnerable to prolonged injuries.

Considering Aamir is also more often than not experiencing injuries, his biological age is no longer a mystery.

 

[Titan24]

Steyn can still bowl at 145 in short bursts, but even he is so susceptible to injury these days - after a particular age you cannot sustain that tempo without becoming vulnerable to prolonged injuries.

Considering Aamir is also more often than not experiencing injuries, his biological age is no longer a mystery.

I dont remember Amir getting injured much since his comeback. He got chickenpox recently and that is why he didnt play against Eng.

Dont mind if Amir can bowl 145kph even in short bursts.

 

[Savak]

Lol at Pakistan for spending so much time, effort, money on fast tracking Amir back into the team only for him to be bowling at 127-132 km/hr. Even Asif could have bowled at those speeds at the age of 35. The PCB missed a trick by fast tracking Amir and ignoring Asif.

 

[Shafi]

Razzak was the guy who said “ Shehzad is more talented than Tendulkar”. It’s sums up his low quality knowledge about cricket and his analysis shouldn’t be taken seriously. A perfect joker of a analyst.

 

[Shafi]

For those who complain about Amir performance Inzi should replace him with Sami or Hasnain so England can score 600 runs against our fast bowlers with no control in their line and length

 

[kingusama92]

Just a few months ago, Amir bowled multiple deliveries over 140+ KPH in the PSL.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Razzak was the guy who said “ Shehzad is more talented than Tendulkar”. It’s sums up his low quality knowledge about cricket and his analysis shouldn’t be taken seriously. A perfect joker of a analyst.

He also said we should open with hafeez.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He's slowed his pace down intentionally.

 

[gazza619]

He's slowed his pace down intentionally.

Agreed. I think he needs a bit of a confidence.

I have a feeling he will come good against england on Monday. Just needs backing from the skipper

 

[hitthestump]

Lol at Pakistan for spending so much time, effort, money on fast tracking Amir back into the team only for him to be bowling at 127-132 km/hr. Even Asif could have bowled at those speeds at the age of 35. The PCB missed a trick by fast tracking Amir and ignoring Asif.

This might be the most Captain Hindsight post i've ever read.

 

[shockbound]

All those fast bowlers got painta at that track. These experts only want him to join the phainta party. He was the only Pakistani bowler with acceptable economy yet these dumb heads think that Sami with 150 can do wonders.

 

[DeadBall]

Abdul Razzaq was the nemesis of Azhar, could be rivalry.

 

[Syed1]

Amir even on his worst day wipes the floor with Hasan, Shaheen, Wahab and Hasnain. Deal with it.

 

[Savak]

Amir even on his worst day wipes the floor with Hasan, Shaheen, Wahab and Hasnain. Deal with it.

Yes, 5 wickets in the last 15 ODI's is indeed wiping the floor. If that is his best days then i pray not to see his worst

 

[Savak]

This might be the most Captain Hindsight post i've ever read.

Ofcourse but to be honest, Asif didn't help his cause with his non challent, lethargic attitude, he just wasn't hungry enough to make a comeback, he thought that the PCB will notice him while he sits quite. That is not how it works in Pakistan Cricket, you have to perform and then also make noise in the media and lobby, network with the stakeholders who matter i.e. PCB Chairman, PCB selectors, Captain. In his interviews in the media, he was like i will just let the ball talk, its up to the PCB and selectors to select me, i don't give a damn.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is almos tlike he is afraid of injury if he pushes himself hard. He is using his wits right now. I think they should just leave him as he is instead of expecting 145k thunderbolts from him. He probably will end up in emergency if he bowls an over like that.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Razzaq would know about lying about ones age - he lost his pace in his 20s too. Or at least told us he was in his 20s.

 

[Savak]

Razzaq would know about lying about ones age - he lost his pace in his 20s too. Or at least told us he was in his 20s.

They say it takes one to know one. I think it was no open secret that Razzaq was older than his official age.

 

[Mkumar825]

He is neither 27 nor 34 .. look like 30 . From bowling point of view yes his speed is not that God but still he is most threating bowler from Pakistan .

 

[Captain caveman]

Amir may be a couple years older than his official age but that only makes him 29 - 30 years old, which should be a bowlers peak age. Very strange!
Could he have a hidden illness we dont know about?
Is he a smoker?
Hes definetly trying his best.
Very strange!

 

[Savak]

Amir may be a couple years older than his official age but that only makes him 29 - 30 years old, which should be a bowlers peak age. Very strange!
Could he have a hidden illness we dont know about?
Is he a smoker?
Hes definetly trying his best.
Very strange!

A reporter close to Amir claimed that Amir was not really that interested or motivated for playing for Pakistan in the long run, he wants to maximize his earnings from the game and make up for lost time i.e. playing in the T-20 leagues around the world. The story about him wanting to retire from test cricket in 2017 didn't come from nothing

 

[Hyperion66]

TBH Amir was probably trying to extract some swing, while I agree with all the technical aspects of his bowling but he is still a 140kph bowler at least in limited overs. Anyways even his peak pace would not have been enough to make a difference due to the ridiculously small target so it make sense to save energy and not going full throttle trying to defend an indefensible target.

 

[Captain caveman]

A reporter close to Amir claimed that Amir was not really that interested or motivated for playing for Pakistan in the long run, he wants to maximize his earnings from the game and make up for lost time i.e. playing in the T-20 leagues around the world. The story about him wanting to retire from test cricket in 2017 didn't come from nothing

This story may or may not be true, never trust jornalist. But what i saw in the pak vs wi was a guy giving his all and only bowling at 132kph. The exact same guy a
year earlier was bowling consistantly between 138 -140 kph. Hes had no major injury in that time and age wise should be at the peak of his career. Very strange!

 

[superman]

The only part I dont get from Razzaq and Misbah and whoever was criticising Babar after the afghan loss (shoaib Akhtar maybe) surely Amir wasn’t the worst in display Hassan and Wahab were worse and in that match Babar was head and shoulders above everyone else who are they adding pressure to the ones already performing a bit why not the one who are definitely underperforming?

 

[Captain caveman]

The only part I dont get from Razzaq and Misbah and whoever was criticising Babar after the afghan loss (shoaib Akhtar maybe) surely Amir wasn’t the worst in display Hassan and Wahab were worse and in that match Babar was head and shoulders above everyone else who are they adding pressure to the ones already performing a bit why not the one who are definitely underperforming?

Im guessing, that they know that the ones who under performed arent really good enough. And babar and amir are really the only world class stars in the team( fakhar as well, but hes game is high risk, so he will always be hit or miss) and they are trying to get them to perform better, as pak chances rely heavily on these 2 (and fakhar) performing at their best!

 

[Slog]

Amir has wrist test so he is +- 1 year his official age

Also Razzaq is one to say

His pace decline started in 2003-04 when he was mid 20s lmao

 

[Fazzy321]

Tbh, Amir recently came off from illness, so I would give him time to pick up his pace.

 

[Captain caveman]

Tbh, Amir recently came off from illness, so I would give him time to pick up his pace.

Hes been like this for a year or so. Nothing to do with his recent illness.unless, like i said earlier, he has some hidden illness that we dont know aout?

 

[QalandarFan]

He looked a genuine 17 in 2009 and was confirmed back then.

His fastest ball against WI was 140 Kph.

Both Misbah Ul Haq and Abdul Razzaq just want to run their mouths because they are seniors.

Apparently pace is everything, according these guys Glenn McGrath is probably the worst bowler to lace a pair of boots.

 

[Fazzy321]

Hes been like this for a year or so. Nothing to do with his recent illness.unless, like i said earlier, he has some hidden illness that we dont know aout?

But he was hitting 140s in recent PSL, and I would be happy as long as he is picking up wickets and is consistent

 

[Captain caveman]

Apparently pace is everything, according these guys Glenn McGrath is probably the worst bowler to lace a pair of boots.

Glen mcgrath was 6'6. Bowling at 82 mph at that height is alot more effective due to the ability to pitch fuller with extra bounce. Amir about 5'11- bowling at 82 mph is not so effective!
But the pount is WHY has amir loss about 10 mph speed in a year or so, when he should be at hes peak!

 

[QalandarFan]

Glen mcgrath was 6'6. Bowling at 82 mph at that height is alot more effective due to the ability to pitch fuller with extra bounce. Amir about 5'11- bowling at 82 mph is not so effective!
But the pount is WHY has amir loss about 10 mph speed in a year or so, when he should be at hes peak!

I don't know where you got Amir is 5'11, he's 6'2. Besides it doesn't matter if he's lost pace, if he keeps picking up wickets he will rightfully play. If he isn't picking up any wickets then I'll be the first one to say he should be dropped. But there are other bowlers like Hasan who need to be dropped right now going on current form.

 

[Captain caveman]

I don't know where you got Amir is 5'11, he's 6'2. Besides it doesn't matter if he's lost pace, if he keeps picking up wickets he will rightfully play. If he isn't picking up any wickets then I'll be the first one to say he should be dropped. But there are other bowlers like Hasan who need to be dropped right now going on current form.

Lol amir is 6'2. Yeah and sachin was 6ft. I never said who should be dropped. His the most inteligent bowler in pak and very economical. Its just sad to see him go from a strike bowler to a container bowler. Yes he took 3 wickets in the last game, but hes struggling to take wickets at his new low pace and no swing.

 

[QalandarFan]

Lol amir is 6'2. Yeah and sachin was 6ft. I never said who should be dropped. His the most inteligent bowler in pak and very economical. Its just sad to see him go from a strike bowler to a container bowler. Yes he took 3 wickets in the last game, but hes struggling to take wickets at his new low pace and no swing.

Unlike you I am not making things up google Amir's height it's 1.88m which is roughly 6'2.

 

[sshakir411]

The average Pakistani fan is dumber than Razzaq who is pretty damn dumb to begin with.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

I think the problem is Amir is pitching it short of good length. He should be pitching it further up to obtain any swing in the first 3-4 overs. There won't be any swing with kookaburra after that anyway.

Because of this, he is getting to tie down the batsman but he is not able to get as many wickets as he would hope. It's the lack of fitness more than anything, I think. Hopefully he gets better as the tournament progresses.

 

[hadi123]

I don't think his official age is that wrong. At best 1-2 years but he looks young.

 

[Amirforpresident]

The average Pakistani fan is dumber than Razzaq who is pretty damn dumb to begin with.

What does that make you