No international cricket during IPL from 2019 [Update Post #97]

[Allblacks2019]

The ones who will generally be recalled after 80% of the tournament are the ones who are already on 7 figures salaries. In the last few years English, South African and New Zealand players have all had to leave early which all could have been avoided by a 2 week movement. I see it as a move that would benefit both sides.

Their is no benefit to india in having IPL window.

By sheer nature of weather, IPL has natural window. During IPL, Weather in

India, Pak, SL: Way too hot to play test and ODI cricket
Aus and SA: Winter in Southern hemispere.
Eng:Still too cold to play regular cricket.

By asking for a a window, CoA is exposing BCCI to counter demands. Idotic move IMO

 

[USofA]

Read my above post. Not just PSL, every other league should coincide with IPL. Preferably the boards should ask their main players to sign contracts to be available for their indegenous leagues. This is the only way to bring BCCI to the negotiating table.

Will the players be willing to take less money.... a lot less money?

 

[Allblacks2019]

Read my above post. Not just PSL, every other league should coincide with IPL. Preferably the boards should ask their main players to sign contracts to be available for their indegenous leagues. This is the only way to bring BCCI to the negotiating table.

didn't WICB try some thing like this and ended up with a revolt in their hands? which WICB lost.

 

[maxamax]

1) If Pakistan indeed supported india, they wouldn't have boycotted India after winning WC in 1992 over the Babri Masjid issue. PCB is always to out to screw BCCI.

2) a) Stealing sponsors? You know sponsors are massive organizations who make their decisions independent of what BCCI wants, right?. Sponsors do whats best for them.
b) Creating internal league is within BCCI right.Nothing illegal about it. Is county crckiet illegal?
c)Robbing: you mean other nations counc't provide sponsors what they needed?

3) Its is India's right to decide who they want to play: they have massive example in Pakistan exercising that right in the early 90's. .

1) Pakistan went in by themselves in 99 despite all the fears, a country boycotting would never do that.

2) Sponsors are always given directions by respective boards.

3) Country cricket doesn't steal sponsors and spend billions to ruin international cricket.

4) Pakistan always wanted to play India. We had no fear in 90s.

 

[USofA]

1) Pakistan went in by themselves in 99 despite all the fears, a country boycotting would never do that.

2) Sponsors are always given directions by respective boards.

3) Country cricket doesn't steal sponsors and spend billions to ruin international cricket.

4) Pakistan always wanted to play India. We had no fear in 90s.

The sponsors will go where they can get a good bang for the $$ spent. Their primary goal is always about their products and services. It supersedes everything else. It's their money and they will spend where they think its prudent.

The IPL (and county cricket) market and spend money to market their products for a wider reach. It is targeted to a specific audience. In the case of the IPL, it is the Indian fans. No one else cares or relates to IPL. It does not have anything to do with international cricket. Neither is it targeted to suppress/ruin it.

 

[par]

1) Pakistan went in by themselves in 99 despite all the fears, a country boycotting would never do that.

2) Sponsors are always given directions by respective boards.

3) Country cricket doesn't steal sponsors and spend billions to ruin international cricket.

4) Pakistan always wanted to play India. We had no fear in 90s.

You learn everyday a new thing in PP. Now it is 'Stealing Sponsors'.

 

[shortbread]

In the quest for eyeballs and the subsequent advertising revenue, who is going to realistically watch the likes of Sam Billings and Sarfraz Ahmed when they can watch AB de Villiers and Virat Kohli.

No point in competing, especially when you are in the stages of building a product.

Boards would probably want this to go through - there is an unofficial window as it is, and now certain players will be guaranteed to be available through the whole period, and hence get higher contracts - the boards pocket 10% for providing the NOC.

Every Pakistani would, and that is the biggest revenue stream of the PSL! Lets not forget people are devoid of any alternative cricket when the IPL is going on, so why not.

Plus all the Pakistani players will be sitting idle or playing some amateur league in the Middle east or domestic leagues. Take the fight to the bcci, absolutely nothing to lose!

 

[maxamax]

The sponsors will go where they can get a good bang for the $$ spent. Their primary goal is always about their products and services. It supersedes everything else. It's their money and they will spend where they think its prudent.

The IPL (and county cricket) market and spend money to market their products for a wider reach. It is targeted to a specific audience. In the case of the IPL, it is the Indian fans. No one else cares or relates to IPL. It does not have anything to do with international cricket. Neither is it targeted to suppress/ruin it.

True. IPL was supposed to be just another ICL had ICC been dealing it fairly.

County cricket is there to support the game. Not to reach wider audience. IPL is only considering India as wider audience. Those All Star games had better chances of gaining wider audience than these leagues.

IPL was purposefully allowed to take over for BCCIs gain.

 

[maxamax]

You learn everyday a new thing in PP. Now it is 'Stealing Sponsors'.

Its nice to learn more. Tell me one thing that ICC WorldCup T20 didnt had as compared to IPL? It had all the reasons for big investments. But if a country gets greedy enough to divert it all, it should be recognized as 'Sponsor Stealing'.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Well that is what happens when you give one board this much power without there being an institution to balance/regulate things.

Pakistan will keep suffering the way things stand the reason the PCB has finally woken up.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its nice to learn more. Tell me one thing that ICC WorldCup T20 didnt had as compared to IPL? It had all the reasons for big investments. But if a country gets greedy enough to divert it all, it should be recognized as 'Sponsor Stealing'.

Lol.If other teams and ICC cant get sponsors its stealing sponsors.LOL.

IPL gets sponsors because companies want to showcase products to Indian audience on a daily basis for a period of 6 weeks.

The person who is putting in the money will decide what are the reasons to invest not you.

STAR paid more money for 5 years( 2018 to 2022)of IPL Tv rights than the entire projected revenue of ICC from 2015 to 2023.That tells you how poorly the other countries combined are in terms of attracting investments.

 

[cricketjoshila]

True. IPL was supposed to be just another ICL had ICC been dealing it fairly.

County cricket is there to support the game. Not to reach wider audience. IPL is only considering India as wider audience. Those All Star games had better chances of gaining wider audience than these leagues.

IPL was purposefully allowed to take over for BCCIs gain.

Why will IPL be ICL? Why will icc ban a league being conducted legally by its member?

So BCCI doesnt have the right to reach Indian audience?ECB launched the Friends T20 league before IPL.

IPL isnt taking over from anyone.

 

[maxamax]

Lol.If other teams and ICC cant get sponsors its stealing sponsors.LOL.

IPL gets sponsors because companies want to showcase products to Indian audience on a daily basis for a period of 6 weeks.

The person who is putting in the money will decide what are the reasons to invest not you.

STAR paid more money for 5 years( 2018 to 2022)of IPL Tv rights than the entire projected revenue of ICC from 2015 to 2023.That tells you how poorly the other countries combined are in terms of attracting investments.

If ICC can't get sponsors, and a specific team steals them first for their greedy purposes, then it is.

Sponsors would love to do that in front of whole world, not just India.

True, BCCI should let them decide.

Because other countries don't want to be greedy like that. Also, India is among cricket epic-center, doesn't mean that its the only one out there.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

If ICC can't get sponsors, and a specific team steals them first for their greedy purposes, then it is.

Sponsors would love to do that in front of whole world, not just India.

True, BCCI should let them decide.

Because other countries don't want to be greedy like that. Also, India is among cricket epic-center, doesn't mean that its the only one out there.

What does it mean to 'steal sponsor'.

The sponsors are private companies that own their money. It does not belong to you or anyone else.

They will allocate it as they see fit, or not at all if they don't want.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If ICC can't get sponsors, and a specific team steals them first for their greedy purposes, then it is.

Sponsors would love to do that in front of whole world, not just India.

True, BCCI should let them decide.

Because other countries don't want to be greedy like that. Also, India is among cricket epic-center, doesn't mean that its the only one out there.

ICC cant get sponsors because sponsors are more interested in India than rest of the countries put together.

Sponsors will decide who they want to showcase it to.

BCCI controls no sponsors.Sponsors decide which event they want to put their money in. They seem to find more value in a Kolkata vs Mumbai match than a Pakistan vs WI match.That shows the pathetic failure of other countries.

Because other countries simply dont have the market for that much investment in cricket.India is the epicenter and there is only one epicenter.

 

[MenInG]

Guys before things get out of control - dont make any unfounded corruption allegations.

 

[Abdullah719]

No international cricket during IPL from 2019, details inside!

Indian Premier League (IPL) started a trend of T20 leagues all around the world. Before IPL, there was just Big Bash League (Australia) and NatWest T20 league (England) but IPL turned out to be a game changer since its inaugural season in 2008. The league features star-studded lineups from all around the world and that’s what made it special. However, international players’ unavailability created a few problems for the franchises and players as it faltered the team combination. But that’s about to change from 2019.

International Cricket Council’s (ICC) latest Future Tour Programme (FTP) has recognised IPL. This means that there will be no international cricket during IPL. From 2019 to 2023 IPL will have all the international players selected in the player auction at their disposal as they would not be busy on national duty. IPL will become the first league to get such preference.

The April-May window will be isolated. This might create a stir among other domestic leagues — like Pakistan Super League (PSL), Bangladesh Premier League (BPL), Caribbean Premier League (CPL) — as they would want an isolated window for themselves too.

Board of Control for Cricket in India’s (BCCI) CEO Rahul Johri recently met ICC’s General Manager Geoff Allardice. It is speculated that the decision for an isolated window was taken between them.

IPL 2018 will commence from April 4 and the final will be played on May 27. Till now only two international series have been scheduled during this time — Ireland vs Zimbabwe and England vs the Netherlands.

Here’s the tentative window for IPL according to newest FTP –

3rd April to 26th May (2019)
1st April to 31st May (2020)
31st March to 30th May (2021)
30th March to 29th May (2022)
29th March to 28th May (2023)

https://www.inuth.com/sports/no-international-cricket-during-ipl-from-2019-details-inside/

 

[JattMaula]

BBL came before IPL?

 

[navin]

Well that is what happens when you give one board this much power without there being an institution to balance/regulate things.

Pakistan will keep suffering the way things stand the reason the PCB has finally woken up.

this is the new world order! Accept it and learn to live with it cause it's the reality and it's not gonna change whether you like it or not.

 

[navin]

BBL came before IPL?

it was the "KFC Twenty20 Big Bash" from 2005 to 2011 and Big Bash League replaced it.

 

[JattMaula]

it was the "KFC Twenty20 Big Bash" from 2005 to 2011 and Big Bash League replaced it.

That KFC league was not franchise based.

 

[HitWicket]

That KFC league was not franchise based.

Neithers the current one really.

 

[JattMaula]

Neithers the current one really.

Yeah. That was smart by CA.

 

[Napa]

And why should they. The ECB does not Indian money.

Tell that to Stokes and his $2 million IPL contract that he called "life changing".

 

[Neeraj]

May be IPL rejects and Pak can play a league of their own during those 2 months.

Yes because the whole world will be watching that )

 

[Bewal Express]

Tell that to Stokes and his $2 million IPL contract that he called "life changing".

Yes off course, he was on the breadline when he didnt play IPL. If it came to it, he would chose to play for England IN A TEST then the IPL.

 

[Napa]

RIP International Cricket - $$$ win the game.

Do you know of any sport or some other activity where people work together where money doesn't win?

 

[ipl_fan]

Do you know of any sport or some other activity where people work together where money doesn't win?

Leave about cricket. What about our day jobs that we do. Will we settle for less pay ?? No we won't. Yet, we expect players who have a very small earning window to be holier.

 

[R0H1T]

Leave about cricket. What about our day jobs that we do. Will we settle for less pay ?? No we won't. Yet, we expect players who have a very small earning window to be holier.

I'm sure everyone who rants & raves about BCCI killing intl cricket will donate half their salary to bring cricket back to Pak & organize loss making tests like Zim/Ire or Afg/WI after stealing IPL sponsors away from the greedy BCCI

 

[Napa]

Yes off course, he was on the breadline when he didnt play IPL. If it came to it, he would chose to play for England IN A TEST then the IPL.

So "ECB does not want IPL money" but English players think IPL money is life-changing. No point in continuing this discussion further.

 

[Bewal Express]

So "ECB does not want IPL money" but English players think IPL money is life-changing. No point in continuing this discussion further.

Listen friend, to Indians the IPL is some of sort of Nirvana to everybody else its mickey mouse cricket which pays really well. The ECB has not and never will need your money, the English players are amongst the best paid in the world.

 

[Napa]

Listen friend, to Indians the IPL is some of sort of Nirvana to everybody else its mickey mouse cricket which pays really well. The ECB has not and never will need your money, the English players are amongst the best paid in the world.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Ben Stokes IPL contract was $2 million+. Mills got about $1.6 million. This is far more than what English players otherwise earn. Why don't you provide actual numbers for the salaries of English players? You are starting to sound like [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Ben Stokes: "It's a life changing amount of money, I can't really say more than that. I'm really thankful and grateful for how it went this morning. I'm struggling to put it into words."

 

[Bewal Express]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Ben Stokes IPL contract was $2 million+. Mills got about $1.6 million. This is far more than what English players otherwise earn. Why don't you provide actual numbers for the salaries of English players? You are starting to sound like [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Ben Stokes: "It's a life changing amount of money, I can't really say more than that. I'm really thankful and grateful for how it went this morning. I'm struggling to put it into words."

I am not sure you understand my point, England players are extremely well paid and if it came down to it, they would always chose to play a test for England unlike your Indian players who would always take Mickey Mouse cricket over proper cricket. If someone is stupid enough to pay you millions, then off course you will take it.

 

[blue_champion]

I am not sure you understand my point, England players are extremely well paid and if it came down to it, they would always chose to play a test for England unlike your Indian players who would always take Mickey Mouse cricket over proper cricket. If someone is stupid enough to pay you millions, then off course you will take it.

Yeah the people who are dishing out these millions are fools with absolutely no business acumen and are just throwing money right?

Also you realize that a million $ contract is just not handed out on a platter,it comes with certain commitments right?

Yeah let us talk when an English player or for the matter of fact player of any nationality actually says no to a million $ contract to play a test match.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yeah the people who are dishing out these millions are fools with absolutely no business acumen and are just throwing money right?

Also you realize that a million $ contract is just not handed out on a platter,it comes with certain commitments right?

Yeah let us talk when an English player or for the matter of fact player of any nationality actually says no to a million $ contract to play a test match.

The business behind the IPL may be sound but it doesnt detract from the fact that its Mickey Mouse cricket. The Chinese Super league had billions behind but it was still rubbish.

 

[blue_champion]

The business behind the IPL may be sound but it doesnt detract from the fact that its Mickey Mouse cricket. The Chinese Super league had billions behind but it was still rubbish.

Firstly I don’t even know what the Chinese Super League is, before I google that.... here is the deal

If you have a personal issue against the T20 format or franchise cricket in general then fair enough.

But yes, the business model behind the IPL
Is solid and it can shell out millions to pay for the right player....so why would any board want to deny
It’s contracted player a lot of money for a few weeks and especially when they get a good cut from the player’s contract?

You know that English board did give a lot of flexibility to Stokes and Butler last season right?

Even IPL franchises have always been understanding and have been flexible in case of any international scheduling conflict in the past with players from other countries as well.

So the part that English players get a lot of money and the IPL contract is chump change and they don’t care about it doesn’t hold up.

As I said IPL is a big deal for everyone involved wether you like it or not.....Steve Smith was in tears after he lost the IPL final last year.

English commies kept underlining Stokes IPL heroics.

As I said the format may not be your cup of tea or you may obviously not have a city based loyalty but you are undermining IPL just for the heck of it without any substantial reason.

 

[Napa]

I am not sure you understand my point, England players are extremely well paid and if it came down to it, they would always chose to play a test for England unlike your Indian players who would always take Mickey Mouse cricket over proper cricket. If someone is stupid enough to pay you millions, then off course you will take it.

You really need to learn how to construct proper arguments. There has to be consistency across your posts. You started by saying "ECB does not [want] IPL money". Now that you have been challenged on that statement, you jump to "Given a choice between playing for their country and IPL they will choose their country". Also, your statement of the alleged superior behavior of English players compared to Indian players is laughable.

The business behind the IPL may be sound but it doesnt detract from the fact that its Mickey Mouse cricket. The Chinese Super league had billions behind but it was still rubbish.

Another bad argument. Because the Chinese Super League is bad, therefore IPL is bad? The Chinese Super League is actually structured like the La Liga or the Premier League. Its quality is poor because the [current] Chinese players are not good. The Indian cricket players have on the other hand have won multiple WCs.

This thread has been really foolish, no more posts from me.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Listen friend, to Indians the IPL is some of sort of Nirvana to everybody else its mickey mouse cricket which pays really well. The ECB has not and never will need your money, the English players are amongst the best paid in the world.

Listen stop deciding for English players, they will decide if they are well paid or not.Thing is whether you like it or not, english players apply to be in the IPL.

 

[Bewal Express]

You really need to learn how to construct proper arguments. There has to be consistency across your posts. You started by saying "ECB does not [want] IPL money". Now that you have been challenged on that statement, you jump to "Given a choice between playing for their country and IPL they will choose their country". Also, your statement of the alleged superior behavior of English players compared to Indian players is laughable.



Another bad argument. Because the Chinese Super League is bad, therefore IPL is bad? The Chinese Super League is actually structured like the La Liga or the Premier League. Its quality is poor because the [current] Chinese players are not good. The Indian cricket players have on the other hand have won multiple WCs.

This thread has been really foolish, no more posts from me.

Friend i know you Indians feel that you own the world but you dont, the ECB doesnt need your money and never has. It has a huge Sky deal and many other sponsers. If the players can get some extra cash playing some pointless Mickey Mouse cricket from people stupid enough to pay them then good luck to them. They are however extremely well paid and wont miss tests to play this rubbish. I know its painful for you guys but the Indians players value Money over proper cricket.
The Comparison with the Chinese Super league cant be dismissed; good foreigners with a few good locals and the rest of the locals being rubbish.

 

[jadaja]

Friend i know you Indians feel that you own the world but you dont, the ECB doesnt need your money and never has. It has a huge Sky deal and many other sponsers. If the players can get some extra cash playing some pointless Mickey Mouse cricket from people stupid enough to pay them then good luck to them. They are however extremely well paid and wont miss tests to play this rubbish. I know its painful for you guys but the Indians players value Money over proper cricket.
The Comparison with the Chinese Super league cant be dismissed; good foreigners with a few good locals and the rest of the locals being rubbish.

Which league is higher quality, IPL is the best league both in terms of attracting top talent and also attracting top sponsors.IPL is not running to England players begging them to play in IPL.

They are fighting their board to play in IPL. Playing in IPL is a privilege not everyone is allowed to play there so your statement that they won't miss tests to play this rubbish is ridiculous.

PSLs and other leagues are not even in the same area code when compared to IPL.

 

[USofA]

Friend i know you Indians feel that you own the world but you dont, the ECB doesnt need your money and never has. It has a huge Sky deal and many other sponsers. If the players can get some extra cash playing some pointless Mickey Mouse cricket from people stupid enough to pay them then good luck to them. They are however extremely well paid and wont miss tests to play this rubbish. I know its painful for you guys but the Indians players value Money over proper cricket.
The Comparison with the Chinese Super league cant be dismissed; good foreigners with a few good locals and the rest of the locals being rubbish.

In all fairness, of course the ECB are pretty well set. But part of the Sky deal also includes India tours, which I am sure is a significant part of the deal. In fact I would say that the Ashes and India tours are the lions share of the deal.

I am also fairly certain that someone like Stokes makes more money yearly from IPL than from ECB contract. So I would not dismiss as some extra cash. But a whole lot more than what ECB pays.

 

[English August]

Pakistanis seem to have love-hate relationship with T20 cricket.

When India won the first WC, they found a way to downplay it (called it mickey mouse cricket). Then Pak won it, so suddenly it was the most exciting thing on the planet.

They hate it when IPL decides to ignore Pak players (100% fault of Pakistan board of course --they are the ones who decided to boycott IPL during second edition), but then they somehow manage to host PSL in UAE and suddenly find T20 super exciting.

Make up your minds, guys! Can't have it both ways.

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakistanis seem to have love-hate relationship with T20 cricket.

When India won the first WC, they found a way to downplay it (called it mickey mouse cricket). Then Pak won it, so suddenly it was the most exciting thing on the planet.

They hate it when IPL decides to ignore Pak players (100% fault of Pakistan board of course --they are the ones who decided to boycott IPL during second edition), but then they somehow manage to host PSL in UAE and suddenly find T20 super exciting.

Make up your minds, guys! Can't have it both ways.

I couldnt care less if PK players are chosen for the IPL. For me it is overhyped rubbish played by players motivated only by cash( Remember what Dale Steyn said about it) and has no intrinsic value. A test is remembered for decades, a ODI can be remembered for years but a T20 is forgotten by most people within 72hrs.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

- There is no official window for IPL cricket. England play Netherlands in this window in one of the years. So yeah, good try making this stuff up.

- This workshop was for boards to decide FTP amongst themselves for league cricket, not bilateral. ICC had no directives apart from setting rules for league structure which all teams had to follow to draw up the FTP.

- Countries can still choose to host teams in Apr-May period out of the league structure.

- BCCI doesn't require a window because they only care about India not playing during those 2 months as Indian's are the biggest draw.

- As for international players. Apr-May is a month cricket is off in most places but WI and England.

- WI have no choice but to listen to their players. ECB have taken this call probably because England cricketers are tired of missing out all the monies.

- But all of you can please continue making up stuff so that you can diss BCCI for the nth time. Good day!

 

[Cricfan4eva]

I couldnt care less if PK players are chosen for the IPL. For me it is overhyped rubbish played by players motivated only by cash( Remember what Dale Steyn said about it) and has no intrinsic value. A test is remembered for decades, a ODI can be remembered for years but a T20 is forgotten by most people within 72hrs.

Good for you. And you should be allowed to have your opinion.

But that doesn't mean millions if not billions who watch it need to agree with you.

 

[Bewal Express]

Good for you. And you should be allowed to have your opinion.

But that doesn't mean millions if not billions who watch it need to agree with you.

My opinion is worth the same as yours- nothing. The game will go where the money takes it, but its still rubbish.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

My opinion is worth the same as yours- nothing. The game will go where the money takes it, but its still rubbish.

There is a difference though.

People who think IPL is great cricketing tournament are in millions.

People like you who think IPL is rubbish are few.

I mean the fact that IPL rights are worth more than ICC title rights, that should tell you something.

Like I said you are entitled to your opinion as I am with mine but the fact remains, IPL is the most lucrative tournament and nothing is lucrative if it doesn't have quality.

 

[CanadianG00se]

So is it an official window where every member teams are refrained from hosting any international match or a backdoor deals with all nations except one or two where they all agreed to keep their calendar free of international committment?


Either way its a good sign as we all know IPL is here to stay and it will only get bigger from here. I really want BCCI to add few more teams and make it 12 teams IPL.

 

[Yossarian]

Apart from Indian players, there are what a maximum of nine foreign players in each squad? Of which a max of four can play in any one match for a team. Quite a large number of these foreign players aren't even regulars in their national teams.

India of course would not play international cricket during IPL. But now cricket fans around the world (those who are not fond of watching the IPL) will be deprived of watching any meaningful cricket for around 2 months. (including time needed for IPL squad preparations before IPL starts, and international teams squads preparations after IPL ends but before any international matches take place)

I just don't see why it can't remain as is currently the case. International cricket continues during the IPL. Those players wishing to play in the IPL but not for their international teams during the IPL season have a discussion with their own boards and work it out between themselves as to what takes priority.

 

[Yossarian]

Either way its a good sign as we all know IPL is here to stay and it will only get bigger from here. I really want BCCI to add few more teams and make it 12 teams IPL.

Means making an IPL season last over 3 months. Add in a week or so before IPL starts for squad preparation, and a week or two after IPL ends before international matches commence again (time for get together/ travelling / preparations for the touring team), making no international cricket for almost 4 months!

 

[Yossarian]

I mean the fact that IPL rights are worth more than ICC title rights, that should tell you something.
.

Only within India, due to Indian sponsors and broadcasters.

Outside India, the broadcasters & sponsors will surely pay far more for rights to ICC tournaments to be shown to their domestic audiences than for rights to show the IPL to their own domestic audiences.

So don't confuse what Indian broadcasters and sponsors are willing to pay for IPL versus ICC rights, with what sponsors and broadcasters outside India are willing to pay for same.

 

[USofA]

Only within India, due to Indian sponsors and broadcasters.

Outside India, the broadcasters & sponsors will surely pay far more for rights to ICC tournaments to be shown to their domestic audiences than for rights to show the IPL to their own domestic audiences.

So don't confuse what Indian broadcasters and sponsors are willing to pay for IPL versus ICC rights, with what sponsors and broadcasters outside India are willing to pay for same.

I think [MENTION=259]Cricfan[/MENTION] was comparing ICC's tv deals vs the IPL tv deal.

 

[jadaja]

Only within India, due to Indian sponsors and broadcasters.

Outside India, the broadcasters & sponsors will surely pay far more for rights to ICC tournaments to be shown to their domestic audiences than for rights to show the IPL to their own domestic audiences.

So don't confuse what Indian broadcasters and sponsors are willing to pay for IPL versus ICC rights, with what sponsors and broadcasters outside India are willing to pay for same.

No IPL broadcaster gets more money reselling it to all other foreign broadcasters than an ICC event due to simple math.It has more matches.IPL is more popular among audience in UK too.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Means making an IPL season last over 3 months. Add in a week or so before IPL starts for squad preparation, and a week or two after IPL ends before international matches commence again (time for get together/ travelling / preparations for the touring team), making no international cricket for almost 4 months!

Well other teams are more than welcome to do as they please. I really dont care about these useless series thats been happening lately. For instance, so many Indian fans are bored of India-Sl series, and would do anything to have an IPL instead.

Lastly, whether we like it or not franchise cricket is future and slowly but surely they will dominate the cricketing calendar its only matter of time.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Only within India, due to Indian sponsors and broadcasters.

Outside India, the broadcasters & sponsors will surely pay far more for rights to ICC tournaments to be shown to their domestic audiences than for rights to show the IPL to their own domestic audiences.

So don't confuse what Indian broadcasters and sponsors are willing to pay for IPL versus ICC rights, with what sponsors and broadcasters outside India are willing to pay for same.

Why does that matters whether money is coming from one country or globally. End of the day its the bottom line that matters.
Now, with every passing year the value of IPL is growing rapidly and it is also one of the fastest growing league in the world. So, its only matter of time before IPL gets global attention ( even if it doesnt still its doing better than any other cricket league). IPL is quite popular among Indians living overseas. Here in Toronto, most Indian fans get together during IPL season which is missing during India’s international season. Its like cricket carnvial

I get why your views on IPL is quite different as it doesnt interest you, and its completely understandable. However, i dont get the hate us IPL fans get, i mean why do some fans get to so bitter that they need to take a dig at us(IPl fans).

 

[Yossarian]

No IPL broadcaster gets more money reselling it to all other foreign broadcasters than an ICC event due to simple math.It has more matches.IPL is more popular among audience in UK too.

In your dreams.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Only within India, due to Indian sponsors and broadcasters.

Outside India, the broadcasters & sponsors will surely pay far more for rights to ICC tournaments to be shown to their domestic audiences than for rights to show the IPL to their own domestic audiences.

So don't confuse what Indian broadcasters and sponsors are willing to pay for IPL versus ICC rights, with what sponsors and broadcasters outside India are willing to pay for same.

Total ICC revenues(Tv rights plus all other income) predicted betweed 2015 to 2023 is 2.5bn usd.

IPL global Tv rights value alone for 2018 to 2022 is 2.55bn usd.

So IPL is far more valuable a property than ICC tournaments.

Super Sports South Africa was willing to pay 3 times the money for IPL than for Global T20 league.Still SS lost the bid.

 

[Yossarian]

Total ICC revenues(Tv rights plus all other income) predicted betweed 2015 to 2023 is 2.5bn usd.

IPL global Tv rights value alone for 2018 to 2022 is 2.55bn usd.

Yes, primarily paid by Indian broadcasters to be shown in India.

You need to read my post correctly, or rather try and understand it!

So let me repeat again for your benefit since you obviously didn't understand what I wrote:

Outside India, the broadcasters & sponsors will surely pay far more for rights to ICC tournaments to be shown to their domestic audiences than for rights to show the IPL to their own domestic audiences.

So don't confuse what Indian broadcasters and sponsors are willing to pay for IPL versus ICC rights, with what sponsors and broadcasters outside India are willing to pay for same.

Super Sports South Africa was willing to pay 3 times the money for IPL than for Global T20 league.Still SS lost the bid.

The post was about ICC and IPL tournaments, and not about some Global T20 Micky Mouse league.

Yes, the IPL is massive in India, no one is disagreeing with that. And it generates massive revenue from Indian sponsors and broadcasters as a result.

But sorry to bust your bubble, outside India, cricket fans care far more for ICC tournaments than for the IPL. And the domestic broadcasters and sponsors in those countries bid accordingly. It's primarily (albeit not exclusively) Indian origin cricket fans who watch the IPL outside India..

 

[Allblacks2019]

Yes, primarily paid by Indian broadcasters to be shown in India.

You need to read my post correctly, or rather try and understand it!

So let me repeat again for your benefit since you obviously didn't understand what I wrote:



The post was about ICC and IPL tournaments, and not about some Global T20 Micky Mouse league.

Yes, the IPL is massive in India, no one is disagreeing with that. And it generates massive revenue from Indian sponsors and broadcasters as a result.

But sorry to bust your bubble, outside India, cricket fans care far more for ICC tournaments than for the IPL. And the domestic broadcasters and sponsors in those countries bid accordingly. It's primarily (albeit not exclusively) Indian origin cricket fans who watch the IPL outside India..

Not sure what you are trying to get at. All rights of ICC is worth ~$2.5B over a 8 year period. IPL is worth more in the 4 year cycle. So IPL is worth a lot more.

FTR, the indian contribution to that ICC revenue dwarfs every other countries dwarfs every other nation.

what exactly is your point?

 

[Hermoine Green]

On factual grounds, it is a fair decision.

IPL is producing lots lots and lots of money, entertainment and e.t.c e.t.c as compared to all other leagues.

Every superstar want to participate in IPL, every young gun want to play in PSL.

So yeah, very well deserved and no one should complain about it.

Lot of my Pakistani fellows are crying about it, there is no point in crying. It won't help.

Only thing which can help is to make our cricket better and better, producer better players and give excellent performances all over the world. Then the world will realize the importance of Pakistan and it's players.

Right now, we don't brag any sort of right to complain about any thing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, primarily paid by Indian broadcasters to be shown in India.

You need to read my post correctly, or rather try and understand it!

So let me repeat again for your benefit since you obviously didn't understand what I wrote:



The post was about ICC and IPL tournaments, and not about some Global T20 Micky Mouse league.

Yes, the IPL is massive in India, no one is disagreeing with that. And it generates massive revenue from Indian sponsors and broadcasters as a result.

But sorry to bust your bubble, outside India, cricket fans care far more for ICC tournaments than for the IPL. And the domestic broadcasters and sponsors in those countries bid accordingly. It's primarily (albeit not exclusively) Indian origin cricket fans who watch the IPL outside India..

The same broadcaster STAR who paid 2.55bn usd for 5years of IPL global rights, paid 1.98bn usd for 8 years of icc rights.These are global rights not localised to one country.STAR is a Murdoch company.Next time benefit yourself before benefitting anyone else.

You do not represent all fans outside India so do not speak for them.You only represent a small particular section.The massive bids made by Supersports of Africa, OSN of middle east, Yupp tv, Bein Sports facebook etc who do not telecast in India proves the interest of IPL in non indian areas.

You have any stats to prove the claim that foreign population isnt interested in IPL.Seems Africans are more interested in IPL than even their own league.IPL matches in UAE drew full houses, more than PSL.Please get your facts right before bursting anyones bubble.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Yes, primarily paid by Indian broadcasters to be shown in India.

You need to read my post correctly, or rather try and understand it!

Star bid 2.5bn usd for IPL broadcast throughout the world, not just India.

So let me repeat again for your benefit since you obviously didn't understand what I wrote:



The post was about ICC and IPL tournaments, and not about some Global T20 Micky Mouse league.

Yes, the IPL is massive in India, no one is disagreeing with that. And it generates massive revenue from Indian sponsors and broadcasters as a result.

IPL is massive ONLY in India?

Okay let's see

Supersport (For SA) bid 121 crore (Star bid 62 crores) - 84.5 from Sony and ECONET also beat Star's bid

Followon (For Aus-NZ) bid 70 crores (Star bid 18 crores), TIL bid 53 crores as well.

BeIN (for middle east) bid 390 crores (Star bid 65 crores), OSN bid 200 crores and Yupp bid 100 crores.

PERFORM (for USA) bid 240 crores (Star bid 49 crores), Yupp bid 235 and TIL bid 185 crores.

Why Star won? They had the highest cumulative bid.

But sorry to bust your bubble, outside India, cricket fans care far more for ICC tournaments than for the IPL. And the domestic broadcasters and sponsors in those countries bid accordingly. It's primarily (albeit not exclusively) Indian origin cricket fans who watch the IPL outside India..

And funny thing is. Do you know who owns the WORLD RIGHTS for ICC tournaments? Star, again an Indian broadcaster.

Sky Ch 9 or whoever show it in other countries, lease the rights for it because they can't fricken match Star's bid.

 

[Yossarian]

Star bid 2.5bn usd for IPL broadcast throughout the world, not just India.



IPL is massive ONLY in India?

Okay let's see

Supersport (For SA) bid 121 crore (Star bid 62 crores) - 84.5 from Sony and ECONET also beat Star's bid

Followon (For Aus-NZ) bid 70 crores (Star bid 18 crores), TIL bid 53 crores as well.

BeIN (for middle east) bid 390 crores (Star bid 65 crores), OSN bid 200 crores and Yupp bid 100 crores.

PERFORM (for USA) bid 240 crores (Star bid 49 crores), Yupp bid 235 and TIL bid 185 crores.

Why Star won? They had the highest cumulative bid.



And funny thing is. Do you know who owns the WORLD RIGHTS for ICC tournaments? Star, again an Indian broadcaster.

Sky Ch 9 or whoever show it in other countries, lease the rights for it because they can't fricken match Star's bid.

Star (owned by Murdoch) is neverthless an Indian broadcaster.

In the UK, for example, Star has numerous channels on satellite and cable tv. Do you think anyone other than desis watch any of them? Sure, local broadcasters (like Sky - also owned by Murdoch) will buy rights for IPL. But do you seriously think they will pay anywhere close to what they will pay for the rights to broadcast ICC tournaments to UK audiences, like the Champions Trophy or the ICC World Cup or the T20 World Cup? Do you seriously think that the average cricket fan in the UK is more likely to sit down to watch the IPL than the aforementioned ICC tournaments?

I will grant you this though, the average Indian origin desi is far more likely to sit down and watch the IPL than the ICC tournaments (unless it's a match involving India).

 

[cricketjoshila]

Star (owned by Murdoch) is neverthless an Indian broadcaster.

In the UK, for example, Star has numerous channels on satellite and cable tv. Do you think anyone other than desis watch any of them? Sure, local broadcasters (like Sky - also owned by Murdoch) will buy rights for IPL. But do you seriously think they will pay anywhere close to what they will pay for the rights to broadcast ICC tournaments to UK audiences, like the Champions Trophy or the ICC World Cup or the T20 World Cup? Do you seriously think that the average cricket fan in the UK is more likely to sit down to watch the IPL than the aforementioned ICC tournaments?

I will grant you this though, the average Indian origin desi is far more likely to sit down and watch the IPL than the ICC tournaments (unless it's a match involving India).

STAR paid more money for IPL global rights than for ICC rights.Thats the fact. Global means every country.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Star (owned by Murdoch) is neverthless an Indian broadcaster.

In the UK, for example, Star has numerous channels on satellite and cable tv. Do you think anyone other than desis watch any of them? Sure, local broadcasters (like Sky - also owned by Murdoch) will buy rights for IPL. But do you seriously think they will pay anywhere close to what they will pay for the rights to broadcast ICC tournaments to UK audiences, like the Champions Trophy or the ICC World Cup or the T20 World Cup? Do you seriously think that the average cricket fan in the UK is more likely to sit down to watch the IPL than the aforementioned ICC tournaments?

I will grant you this though, the average Indian origin desi is far more likely to sit down and watch the IPL than the ICC tournaments (unless it's a match involving India).

Owned by Disney now, might as well keep yourself updated.

But it looks like you are shifting goalposts now. Which I don't mind because it is in the right direction. You started with suggesting IPL is massive in India because IPL can generate revenue only from Indian sponsors and broadcasters. Which isn't the case as those figures show.

So let's make it simple?

Is IPL worth more than ICC tournaments - globally? YES

Is interest in IPL same among Indians and non Indian viewers? Not really. For a domestic tournament it doesn't even have to be.

It'd be stupid to even assume that an Australian fan might be interested in how Delhi Daredevils or SRH play. Even if they do tune in, it might be to see their players of their country in action.

 

[the Great Khan]

Star (owned by Murdoch) is neverthless an Indian broadcaster.

In the UK, for example, Star has numerous channels on satellite and cable tv. Do you think anyone other than desis watch any of them? Sure, local broadcasters (like Sky - also owned by Murdoch) will buy rights for IPL. But do you seriously think they will pay anywhere close to what they will pay for the rights to broadcast ICC tournaments to UK audiences, like the Champions Trophy or the ICC World Cup or the T20 World Cup? Do you seriously think that the average cricket fan in the UK is more likely to sit down to watch the IPL than the aforementioned ICC tournaments?

I will grant you this though, the average Indian origin desi is far more likely to sit down and watch the IPL than the ICC tournaments (unless it's a match involving India).

the money coming to all sporting events will be re-evaluated by the new regime. They are going to look at their EPL offering as well as any other outlays that they are currently involved with. It would be interesting if another media organisation offers money for the IPL then we'll see what happens. I dont see the amount going down though. The market is just too big and Indians love watching India win. The IPL gives them that hence why its more popular than the ICC tournaments.

ESPN is now also part of the Disney stable so they may just remarket all of their sport channels under one big giant banner..

 

[cricketjoshila]

the money coming to all sporting events will be re-evaluated by the new regime. They are going to look at their EPL offering as well as any other outlays that they are currently involved with. It would be interesting if another media organisation offers money for the IPL then we'll see what happens. I dont see the amount going down though. The market is just too big and Indians love watching India win. The IPL gives them that hence why its more popular than the ICC tournaments.

ESPN is now also part of the Disney stable so they may just remarket all of their sport channels under one big giant banner..

Disney isnt buying the sports channels.

 

[the Great Khan]

Disney isnt buying the sports channels.

they have bought Murdochs stake in all the channels other than Fox news including ESPN and Sky. He has offloaded the lot to them. They now own about 40% of Sky which usually wins the rights to the EPL. I dont know about STar but I suspect Disney now has the rights to the shares in that too.

 

[Yossarian]

Owned by Disney now, might as well keep yourself updated..

Not yet. Deal has been agreed between the two. But before it can be completed it has a lot of hurdles to get through, including possibly the US Justice Department doing anti-trust scrutiny. You really should learn to look at the details and not just the simple 'Breaking News' headlines and soundbites.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Not yet. Deal has been agreed between the two. But before it can be completed it has a lot of hurdles to get through, including possibly the US Justice Department doing anti-trust scrutiny. You really should learn to look at the details and not just the simple 'Breaking News' headlines and soundbites.

Funny how you are arguing about validity of the deal between Disney and Fox rather than to the point you made earlier.

Anyway, I guess the point is across now. Which is what I set out to do .

 

[Cricfan4eva]

the money coming to all sporting events will be re-evaluated by the new regime. They are going to look at their EPL offering as well as any other outlays that they are currently involved with. It would be interesting if another media organisation offers money for the IPL then we'll see what happens. I dont see the amount going down though. The market is just too big and Indians love watching India win. The IPL gives them that hence why its more popular than the ICC tournaments.

ESPN is now also part of the Disney stable so they may just remarket all of their sport channels under one big giant banner..

ESPN is in partnership with SONY. Not happening.

Disney isnt buying the sports channels.

The deal includes Star India (which includes broadcast channels, which includes sports channel and their digital app Hotstar).

 

[R0H1T]

ESPN is in partnership with SONY. Not happening.



The deal includes Star India (which includes broadcast channels, which includes sports channel and their digital app Hotstar).

Disney is buying the entire STAR network asia wide, from what I know of the details released earlier in the year.

If the deal goes through we'll know what got sold or folded, like Fox News possibly?

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Disney is buying the entire STAR network asia wide, from what I know of the details released earlier in the year.

If the deal goes through we'll know what got sold or folded, like Fox News possibly?

Read a piece that Trump personally asked Murdoch to not include Fox News in the deal or he would interfere with the merger like he's done with AT&T and Time Warner. lol

Anyway right now most reputable sites are reporting this:

Disney now own the entire broadcast business of Star India, National Geographic and TataSky, it will also make a comeback into film production through Fox Star Studios (and people thought they terminated contract with UTV because they didn't think India was a good market, haha. Who knew what Disney was planning)

Disney will be the new owner of Star India which includes 50 broadcast channels in India straddling across Hindi, English and vernacular languages, as well as the largest OTT platform, Hotstar, Fox Star Studios as well as DTH platform, TataSky.

 

[the Great Khan]

Read a piece that Trump personally asked Murdoch to not include Fox News in the deal or he would interfere with the merger like he's done with AT&T and Time Warner. lol

Anyway right now most reputable sites are reporting this:

Disney now own the entire broadcast business of Star India, National Geographic and TataSky, it will also make a comeback into film production through Fox Star Studios (and people thought they terminated contract with UTV because they didn't think India was a good market, haha. Who knew what Disney was planning)

Disney will be the new owner of Star India which includes 50 broadcast channels in India straddling across Hindi, English and vernacular languages, as well as the largest OTT platform, Hotstar, Fox Star Studios as well as DTH platform, TataSky.

we get most of these in Pakistan too..

so explain this Sony espn chukkar? I wonder how things will impact everything now since disney owns espn too??

 

[rpant_gabba]

What a great thread! Is international cricket dead yet?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

What a great thread! Is international cricket dead yet?

It's dead in Pakistan. Even PSL will go on now and no questions are asked. Hypocrites

 

[Vikram1989]

It's dead in Pakistan. Even PSL will go on now and no questions are asked. Hypocrites

This applies for next year as there is a t20 wc in feb and march.

 

[Bhaijaan]

18 years of IPL.
International cricket isn’t dead.

Pakistan itself won two ICC tournaments during this time and made multiple tournament finals.

All those who originally cried about IPL got involved in creating similar leagues all over the world,

 

[BouncerGuy]

Interest is lost I think but international cricket has not died yet... But yeah, players prefer IPL over international cricket for sure... fact

 

[Ball Blazer]

Arun Dhumal hints at expanded 94-match IPL in 2028 but without new teams

The BCCI is actively considering expanding the IPL season to 94 matches from 2028, but has no plans to introduce new franchises in the near future.

The league expanded to its current 74-match format in 2022 following the sale of the Gujarat Titans (GT) and Lucknow Super Giants (LSG) franchises. Initial plans to grow to 84 matches for 2025 were delayed owing to a scheduling crunch around the tournament's window and the broadcasters' aversion to too many double-headers, but expansion remains on the table in the medium term.

The IPL's window in the future tours programme (FTP) are locked in for the next two years, running from mid-March until the end of May. But Arun Dhumal, the IPL's chairman, told ESPNcricinfo that the BCCI will seriously consider an expansion to a full home-and-away, 94-match format for the next media-rights cycle, which will start in 2028.

"Definitely, that might be an opportunity," Dhumal said. "We've been discussing in ICC, we've been discussing in-house in BCCI. Given how the interest of the fan is changing with regard to bilateral and ICC events, in regard to franchise cricket and T20 cricket, we'll have to talk more seriously about it and see how we can create maximum value for the stakeholders of the game.

"Ideally, we'd want a larger window, or to maybe go on from 74 to 84 or 94 at some point… So that every team gets to play against every team home and away, for that, you need 94 games.

"Given the window and the kind of commitments that we have with regards to bilateral cricket and ICC events, that may not be possible in the short term. But given the landscape, how it is changing and evolving over the years, maybe at some point in time we would look and take that option.

"There's been so much cricket: we came back from Australia from a Test series, we had this Champions Trophy, and on top of that we have this IPL. That is why it was decided that it doesn't make sense from going from 74 to 84 [in 2025], but whenever we think that the time is opportune, we'll take that call."

The duration of the IPL's window will form part of the discussions next year when boards thrash out the details of the next FTP. Officials at multiple franchises have told ESPNcricinfo that they would prefer a 94-match season, but an increase would likely depend on broadcaster interest following the Reliance-Disney merger (to create JioStar) in India.

TV and streaming numbers typically drop midway through the IPL season, which broadcasters privately attribute to viewer fatigue. The 2025 edition will stretch to nine weeks, with 12 double-headers scheduled, and an increase to a full home-and-away season would likely require two more weeks in the international calendar.

There are no immediate plans to increase the number of franchises, despite investor interest. "Ten is a good number for now," Dhumal said. "Paramount is the interest in the tournament and the quality of cricket that we play… I don't see any scope in the short term. Going forward, with how this whole landscape evolves, we'll take a call accordingly."

Dhumal described the IPL 2025 season as a success, hailing the "competitive spirit" among teams and the emergence of several young Indian players. He also believes that it would be good for the IPL to have a first-time champion this season, with Delhi Capitals (DC), Royal Challengers Bengaluru (RCB), Punjab Kings(PBKS) and LSG all in the mix for the playoffs at this stage.

"Every year, it's been growing," Dhumal said. "We are very glad how the fans have loved this tournament, and the broadcast numbers and in-stadia numbers are all phenomenal. We are hoping to carry on with this being a special edition, the 18th edition. We are very sure that it'll continue to grow in the way we've seen over the last 17 years.

"Definitely, I would want somebody who has never won the tournament to lift the trophy this year. DC has done exceptionally well over the last few years, but they've not won. Punjab Kings made it to one final, and RCB, off and on, have done well. If some of these teams compete against each other in the final, we'll know for sure that we will have a new winner, then I'll be very happy for the tournament."

Source: ESPN