'No makeup, tight jeans': Hazara University issues new dress code for students, staff members

[MenInG]

Hazara University has issued a detailed dress code for all students which prohibits girls from wearing "heavy makeup and jewelry" and boys from sporting a ponytail, among other restrictions, a notification from the varsity said.


The notification issued.
The educational institute gave go-ahead to the new dress code on January 6, after a meeting held on December 29 to discuss the same.

Following the imposition of the new guidelines, female students are strictly not allowed to:

- wear jeans, tights and T-shirts
- wear short shirts with jeans or tights
- wear heavy makeup or jewelry
- carry heavy hand bags

They are however, allowed to wear shalwar kameez, abaya and a headscarf.

For male students, restrictions extend to:

-shorts, cut-off jeans (sic), skin-fitted jeans
- slippers
- earrings, wrist chains
- long hair, pony tails, "unpresentable beard cut"

They are allowed to wear:

- dress pants with dress shirts
- dress shoes and socks
- shalwar kameez

The notification also includes instructions that staff members must abide by.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/329148-no...ues-new-dress-code-for-students-staff-members

 

[Tubs]

Pathetic. And people wonder why Pakistan is seen as a backwards, oppressive country.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pathetic. And people wonder why Pakistan is seen as a backwards, oppressive country.

lol its not.

All schools or education facilities have some sort of dress code, most is in line with the cultural norms of the area.

Out of interest. Would you call the UK backward if it banned schoolgirls from wearing skirts?

 

[moghul]

Its not an elementary school with a dress code , or change the name to Hazara Madrasa and make moulvi diesel its Chancellor .

 

[Tubs]

lol its not.

All schools or education facilities have some sort of dress code, most is in line with the cultural norms of the area.

Out of interest. Would you call the UK backward if it banned schoolgirls from wearing skirts?

No, I wouldn't because overall in the UK, you have a lot of freedom. That is not the same in Pakistan. Besides, schools have dress codes, but universities don't for the most part. So that's a false equivalency. I know you can't be objective and criticise Pakistan at all, that much is obvious, but you can't honestly say that these restrictions aren't oppressive.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, I wouldn't because overall in the UK, you have a lot of freedom. That is not the same in Pakistan. Besides, schools have dress codes, but universities don't for the most part. So that's a false equivalency. I know you can't be objective and criticise Pakistan at all, that much is obvious, but you can't honestly say that these restrictions aren't oppressive.

Ive criticised Pakistan policies in all areas many times, youve only been on here a few years.

So west can put resitrictions but Pak cant lol. Islamaphobic much?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its not an elementary school with a dress code , or change the name to Hazara Madrasa and make moulvi diesel its Chancellor .

Surely if most of the people in the area want this, it's their right or should they wear what westerners want them to wear?

 

[Tubs]

Ive criticised Pakistan policies in all areas many times, youve only been on here a few years.

So west can put resitrictions but Pak cant lol. Islamaphobic much?

I've been here longer than you think.

Ah, the Islamaphobia card. I said that the difference is that you are comparing pre-University school in the West to university in Pakistan. I understand Pakistan is far more conservative, and that's fine, but this dress code is far too restrictive and oppressive. Try harder.

 

[Tubs]

Surely if most of the people in the area want this, it's their right or should they wear what westerners want them to wear?

If this is what people wanted, then there's no need for restrictions. They would dress in accordance with these restrictions without them actually being there. It's not about what Westerners want, but that's your go-to talking point.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I've been here longer than you think.

Ah, the Islamaphobia card. I said that the difference is that you are comparing pre-University school in the West to university in Pakistan. I understand Pakistan is far more conservative, and that's fine, but this dress code is far too restrictive and oppressive. Try harder.

If this is what people wanted, then there's no need for restrictions. They would dress in accordance with these restrictions without them actually being there. It's not about what Westerners want, but that's your go-to talking point.

You clearly havent read hundreds of my posts and stick to the topic.

UK Unis also have rules many students dont like. It might be 'oppressive' for you but if its not for most of the people in the area or most students, it dont matter what you think does it?

 

[Tubs]

You clearly havent read hundreds of my posts and stick to the topic.

UK Unis also have rules many students dont like. It might be 'oppressive' for you but if its not for most of the people in the area or most students, it dont matter what you think does it?

Again, if most students were happy with the rulings, then there is no need to enforce it as most would comply. Having the choice taken away is the issue. There is sufficient freedom at UK universities, trust me, I am at my 3rd and 4th one (joint program). I'm not advocating for no regulation, that would be ridiculous, but such a dress code is controlling.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Again, if most students were happy with the rulings, then there is no need to enforce it as most would comply. Having the choice taken away is the issue. There is sufficient freedom at UK universities, trust me, I am at my 3rd and 4th one (joint program). I'm not advocating for no regulation, that would be ridiculous, but such a dress code is controlling.

Describe the dress code which is not controlling for you?

 

[Tubs]

Describe the dress code which is not controlling for you?

In Pakistan, a conservative society, I'd understand if they'd say 'nothing too revealing'. However, jeans, t-shirts, 'heavy makeup and jewellery' for woman is controlling. Banning skinny jeans, long hair, earrings, etc for men is controlling.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

What exactly is unpresentable beard cut though?
Also the aversion to long hairs is mysterious. Does any university in the world have such restrictions? Genuine question.

 

[CricketCartoons]

In Pakistan, a conservative society, I'd understand if they'd say 'nothing too revealing'. However, jeans, t-shirts, 'heavy makeup and jewellery' for woman is controlling. Banning skinny jeans, long hair, earrings, etc for men is controlling.

If the students have problem with this controlling they are free to leave. You come to a seat of education to learn, not to show your curves or catwalk.

 

[Itachi]

If those practices are against Quran and it's teachings, I don't see why people are having issues against it.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

If those practices are against Quran and it's teachings, I don't see why people are having issues against it.

Having long hair & wearing wrist chain is against the Quran? Seriously?

 

[CricketCartoons]

If those practices are against Quran and it's teachings, I don't see why people are having issues against it.

No need to bring Quran into this discussion. Many places have a dress code. it is not to do with religion, but maintaining the decorum of the place.

 

[Bigboii]

If the students have problem with this controlling they are free to leave. You come to a seat of education to learn, not to show your curves or catwalk.

But we do come to see and let other see us

It's part of the college experience or else why would we waste 4-6 years of our lives stuck in a full time job of sort with no pay

Hazara Uni is messing with students university experience!

 

[topspin]

Islamising universities isn't going to help towards a more progressive Pakistan.

 

[Itachi]

No need to bring Quran into this discussion. Many places have a dress code. it is not to do with religion, but maintaining the decorum of the place.

But what's wrong if religion does the same but on overall population instead of specific place?

 

[the Great Khan]

Good move. If anyone has walked around main Mardan as a woman they will understand that this is a very good move.

It also instills discipline in the wider student body. I am all for it.

 

[the Great Khan]

Islamising universities isn't going to help towards a more progressive Pakistan.

having adress sense instill discipline in an unruly society. It is a good way to keep our students focussed on the things that matter rather than the other stuff. It will also encourage conservative parents to send their girls to this uni as many do not. You have to be cognisant of the local culture rather than imposing a foreign belief system in a conservative environment.

 

[Tubs]

If the students have problem with this controlling they are free to leave. You come to a seat of education to learn, not to show your curves or catwalk.

Jeans and t-shirt are 'showing curves'? Embarrassing defence of this.

 

[Technics 1210]

Again, if most students were happy with the rulings, then there is no need to enforce it as most would comply. Having the choice taken away is the issue. There is sufficient freedom at UK universities, trust me, I am at my 3rd and 4th one (joint program). I'm not advocating for no regulation, that would be ridiculous, but such a dress code is controlling.

In the UK, private schools - predating university - have a uniform and dress code.

These students have their choice taken away as per you opinion

What's your point?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Again, if most students were happy with the rulings, then there is no need to enforce it as most would comply. Having the choice taken away is the issue. There is sufficient freedom at UK universities, trust me, I am at my 3rd and 4th one (joint program). I'm not advocating for no regulation, that would be ridiculous, but such a dress code is controlling.

This is just a dumb point. Why have dress codes anywhere then? At most universities the majority might dress sensibly, but what if a few rebels decided they wanted to attend wearing bikinis?

 

[Technics 1210]

This is just a dumb point. Why have dress codes anywhere then? At most universities the majority might dress sensibly, but what if a few rebels decided they wanted to attend wearing bikinis?

UK Army, Navy, and Air Force require uniform/dress code - to name but a few 'choices'.

 

[Tubs]

This is just a dumb point. Why have dress codes anywhere then? At most universities the majority might dress sensibly, but what if a few rebels decided they wanted to attend wearing bikinis?

Then you can have rules against these fringe 'rebels'. Are you really telling me that you think it's good to ban women from wearing jeans and t-shirts, and for men to have long hair? Is that what's important at an educational institution?

 

[Tubs]

In the UK, private schools - predating university - have a uniform and dress code.

These students have their choice taken away as per you opinion

What's your point?

I'm not on about pre-university school. I am on about university. There isn't a uniform. A false equivalency.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Then you can have rules against these fringe 'rebels'. Are you really telling me that you think it's good to ban women from wearing jeans and t-shirts, and for men to have long hair? Is that what's important at an educational institution?

In case you hadn't noticed, I am not the one making rules, I am not telling you anything about long hair or tight jeans. It's not my place to tell people from different countries what their fashion sense or dress culture should be. I was merely pointing out the lack of sense in your proposal that dress codes can be voluntary.

 

[saeedhk]

This sort of self-rightouness, hypocrisy and moral policing is unacceptable.

 

[Giannis]

This is ridiculous, they treat college aged adults as little children in Pakistan. Even high schoolers in the west have more independence.

 

[Bigboii]

having adress sense instill discipline in an unruly society. It is a good way to keep our students focussed on the things that matter rather than the other stuff. It will also encourage conservative parents to send their girls to this uni as many do not. You have to be cognisant of the local culture rather than imposing a foreign belief system in a conservative environment.

At the start I agreed with everyone else and to some extent I still do cause I think freedom to dress how they want to (for adults ) is the most basic right everyone should have

but this made me think that this is not a white and black issue

So before posting opposing view to this news
I wish people look at this post and especially the highlighted point
cause in some ways it makes sense
[MENTION=146370]Tubs[/MENTION], [MENTION=52376]Saeed[/MENTION]hq

 

[Giannis]

People don't realize that when you force morality on young people then they rebel, all they learn is to be more sneaky so all the haram stuff becomes more prevalent on the down low.

 

[saeedhk]

At the start I agreed with everyone else and to some extent I still do cause I think freedom to dress how they want to (for adults ) is the most basic right everyone should have

but this made me think that this is not a white and black issue

So before posting opposing view to this news
I wish people look at this post and especially the highlighted point
cause in some ways it makes sense
[MENTION=146370]Tubs[/MENTION], [MENTION=52376]Saeed[/MENTION]hq

Nope. It will boost enrolment because wearing abayas were not banned. If conservatives students wanted to cover-up, they could have with or without the ban.

 

[the Great Khan]

Nope. It will boost enrolment because wearing abayas were not banned. If conservatives students wanted to cover-up, they could have with or without the ban.

actually your are once again showing your lack of understanding of the environment in some parts of Pakistan. If this was Islu or lahore I would say you were probably right. But this isnt. Its the north in kpk which is by far the most conservative part of pakistan. If women go out dressed like they do in Islu they soon come home and grab a chador..It is a shock to the system.

The reason for the dress code is so that conservative parents do not restrict the education of their children especially women. They will feel that their girls will not "deviate" off the "moral straight and narrow" and thus will be more comfortable giving permission for them to study here. Otherwise its the shadi nikah route..
We need as many women getting educated as possible especially in STEM subjects so this is a small price to pay to see them get good degrees.

 

[the Great Khan]

At the start I agreed with everyone else and to some extent I still do cause I think freedom to dress how they want to (for adults ) is the most basic right everyone should have

but this made me think that this is not a white and black issue

So before posting opposing view to this news
I wish people look at this post and especially the highlighted point
cause in some ways it makes sense
[MENTION=146370]Tubs[/MENTION], [MENTION=52376]Saeed[/MENTION]hq

so I'll give you a small anecdote. A relative recently moved to Mardan. Anybody who knows anything about KPK knows what to wear when you go out shopping etc. She was not aware and wore what she would wera in islu. Lets just say it took about twenty minutes and she quickly realised what a big mistake that was. Suffice it to say she never goes out without her chador now..

the dress code is for parents not just students..

 

[uberkoen]

so I'll give you a small anecdote. A relative recently moved to Mardan. Anybody who knows anything about KPK knows what to wear when you go out shopping etc. She was not aware and wore what she would wera in islu. Lets just say it took about twenty minutes and she quickly realised what a big mistake that was. Suffice it to say she never goes out without her chador now..

the dress code is for parents not just students..

Regardless of who it is for, its still pathetic.

 

[the Great Khan]

Regardless of who it is for, its still pathetic.

thats your opinion but others may have a different opinion.

 

[Itachi]

People don't realize that when you force morality on young people then they rebel, all they learn is to be more sneaky so all the haram stuff becomes more prevalent on the down low.

That should make all the religion meaningless.

 

[saeedhk]

actually your are once again showing your lack of understanding of the environment in some parts of Pakistan. If this was Islu or lahore I would say you were probably right. But this isnt. Its the north in kpk which is by far the most conservative part of pakistan. If women go out dressed like they do in Islu they soon come home and grab a chador..It is a shock to the system.

The reason for the dress code is so that conservative parents do not restrict the education of their children especially women. They will feel that their girls will not "deviate" off the "moral straight and narrow" and thus will be more comfortable giving permission for them to study here. Otherwise its the shadi nikah route..
We need as many women getting educated as possible especially in STEM subjects so this is a small price to pay to see them get good degrees.

I do not get it. How will they deviate?

 

[the Great Khan]

I do not get it. How will they deviate?

yaar it is not that they will. It is that their parents "think" they will. that is the point. Hence why I put it in quote marks..

 

[saeedhk]

yaar it is not that they will. It is that their parents "think" they will. that is the point. Hence why I put it in quote marks..

They will deviate by seeing people wearing shalwar kameez?

 

[moghul]

Surely if most of the people in the area want this, it's their right or should they wear what westerners want them to wear?

People ? majority of them never attended school cannot dictate how to run a university. Students are adults and they are educated, they should be free to wear whatever the want . Don't create oppressive environment for for them .

 

[moghul]

In Pakistan, a conservative society, I'd understand if they'd say 'nothing too revealing'. However, jeans, t-shirts, 'heavy makeup and jewellery' for woman is controlling. Banning skinny jeans, long hair, earrings, etc for men is controlling.

Pakistan is not a conservative society, vast majority of the Pakistanis are normal people, open minded, liberal and friendly. Problem is that since Zia-ul-Haq stupid Mullahs and their illiterate followers have made this a fashion to bring the religion in every matter and to play the religion card to for their own personal gain. Zia is dead and buried for long time and we should discourage every one of his legacy and any move like this .

 

[Bigboii]

Pakistan is not a conservative society, vast majority of the Pakistanis are normal people, open minded, liberal and friendly. Problem is that since Zia-ul-Haq stupid Mullahs and their illiterate followers have made this a fashion to bring the religion in every matter and to play the religion card to for their own personal gain. Zia is dead and buried for long time and we should discourage every one of his legacy and any move like this .

Your circle is probably not conservative

But majority of the country is poor and rural

Do you think these demographics are liberal and open minded?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Your circle is probably not conservative

But majority of the country is poor and rural

Do you think these demographics are liberal and open minded?

He is totally failing to acknowledge the area being discussed, which is one of the most conservative parts of Pakistan. These guys are sitting in USA, London and Hong Kong telling us what people in Pakistan should be wearing. What is the use? Take a flight to KPK and try to convince the locals, should be no problem getting them to wear tight jeans, nipple rings and fancy beards if the population is onside.

 

[Bigboii]

He is totally failing to acknowledge the area being discussed, which is one of the most conservative parts of Pakistan. These guys are sitting in USA, London and Hong Kong telling us what people in Pakistan should be wearing. What is the use? Take a flight to KPK and try to convince the locals, should be no problem getting them to wear tight jeans, nipple rings and fancy beards if the population is onside.

I think they are arguing for the freedom to wear what they want to wear

Not that they should wear those things

 

[saeedhk]

The notifications issued by the university says that women abaya should be either grey, black or blue and without any decoration/embroidery. Women are forbidden from wearing any jewelry and make-up should be very light if any. Heavy hand bags are forbidden too!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think they are arguing for the freedom to wear what they want to wear

Not that they should wear those things

Incidentally in today's papers there is a story running that a girl has been warned that the skirt she wears is too long and she must wear stipulated knee length skirts in a UK school. What do you guys think about that?

 

[the Great Khan]

They will deviate by seeing people wearing shalwar kameez?

lol, of course that's not what I mean or what people think. Tell me something, have you been to these parts of Pakistan? I have been to rural parts of Pakistan and I can tell you, you don't let your women out without company and in general modest clothes. That is just how it is.

In more cosmopolitan parts its different e.g. karachi Islu lahore etc. But KPK is a different kettle of fish altogether.

Now with regards to the specifics around the code, perhaps thats a bit too harsh, e.g. the colours they are asked to wear etc. but again thats my own opinion. People in this area are probably happy the Uni is doing this. Especially the parents as I have mentioned before.

Personally , in conservative pakistani areas better just to have a uniform and be done with the hassle.

Finally with regards to dress codes in general, Schools in England are getting ever stricter. no makeup, certain types of piercings, uniforms becoming more strict, etc etc..but Uni is not like that.

 

[the Great Khan]

I think they are arguing for the freedom to wear what they want to wear

Not that they should wear those things

Broadly I agree, as in other parts of Pakistan especially the islamic university in Islu, they tend to have a code but you are not forced to wear say a particular colour etc etc. I think its just the conservative nature of the area's where the kids are going to travel in from. Remember this is going to welcome kids from all over KPK so perhaps the Uni wants to reassure the more conservative parents that "dont worry your kids wont become heathens if they study here"..Youd be surprised hows trict some areas in KPK are especially for women.

 

[saeedhk]

lol, of course that's not what I mean or what people think. Tell me something, have you been to these parts of Pakistan? I have been to rural parts of Pakistan and I can tell you, you don't let your women out without company and in general modest clothes. That is just how it is.

In more cosmopolitan parts its different e.g. karachi Islu lahore etc. But KPK is a different kettle of fish altogether.

Now with regards to the specifics around the code, perhaps thats a bit too harsh, e.g. the colours they are asked to wear etc. but again thats my own opinion. People in this area are probably happy the Uni is doing this. Especially the parents as I have mentioned before.

Personally , in conservative pakistani areas better just to have a uniform and be done with the hassle.

Finally with regards to dress codes in general, Schools in England are getting ever stricter. no makeup, certain types of piercings, uniforms becoming more strict, etc etc..but Uni is not like that.

But you are missing the point here. Abayas or burkas were not banned! If anybody wanted to wear them, they could.Dress code or not, locals could wear burkas if they wanted! So, your argument that it will boost enrolment is very weak.

 

[the Great Khan]

But you are missing the point here. Abayas or burkas were not banned! If anybody wanted to wear them, they could.Dress code or not, locals could wear burkas if they wanted! So, your argument that it will boost enrolment is very weak.

yaar main argument nahin bana raha..I am just trying to play devils advocate to understand this frankly strange decision lol..

 

[Nadeemp]

If its the will of the people as one poster says here, why the rules and enforcements.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In Pakistan, a conservative society, I'd understand if they'd say 'nothing too revealing'. However, jeans, t-shirts, 'heavy makeup and jewellery' for woman is controlling. Banning skinny jeans, long hair, earrings, etc for men is controlling.

I didnt mention Pakistan.

As athiest, what is a non-controlling dress code in general? In your ideal society?

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2021/03/peshawar-university-makes-decent-clothes-compulsory-for-students/

The University of Peshawar doesn’t want its students to wear ‘fancy’ clothes to the varsity.

In a notification, the university instructed the students to follow the new dress code and wear their chest cards at all times. It issued the following directions:

Women must wear white shalwar with kameez of their own choice.
Men should wear “decent/modest” clothes.
According to university officials, the dress code will ensure that students wear similar-looking clothes when they come to the campus.

Universities across Pakistan have often been criticised for implementing strict dress codes.

On January 9, 2021 the Hazara University in Mansehra told women to wear shalwar kameez, along with a dupatta, chador, or abaya. Heavy make-up, jewelry, and expensive handbags were banned under the new rules.

Men were told to wear either formal eastern or western attire. Students cannot wear cut, torn, or skin-fitted jeans, shorts, slippers, and accessories like earrings and chains.

The varsity made simple, formal hair and beard styles mandatory.

 

[OMB]

Under FDE's new dress code, educationists can't wear jeans, tights or T-shirts on duty

FDE issues guidelines on new dress code for teachers.
Bans females from wearing jeans or tights to work, males from wearing T-shirts.
Note given on "physical appearance" and personal hygiene by FDE, asks all heads of institutions to ensure staff observes "reasonably good measures"

ISLAMABAD: Teachers working for federal government educational institutes will now have to strictly follow a new dress code announced by the Federal Directorate of Education (FDE).

In a notification issued on September 6, the FDE has outlined in detail what men and women can and cannot wear. The FDE reasoned that research has proven that attire has an influence on people's perceptions and is more than just about something you are wearing.

"At first instance, the outlook imposes a very positive expectation subjective to the likeliness and behaviour pattern of the students," the FDE said in its notification ahead of its guidelines on the dress codes.

Another KP university imposes a dress code for students
'No makeup, tight jeans': Hazara University issues new dress code for students, staff members
The FDE has prohibited female teachers from wearing jeans or tights, while male teachers can't wear jeans and T-shirts.

Teachers have been instructed to wear teaching gowns in class and lab coats in the laboratory.

For women, a "simple and decent shalwar kameez/trousers shirt with dupatta/shawl" has been recommended.

Only formal shoes, which includes pumps, loafers and mules, are allowed. But owing to long-standing hours during teaching, comfortable shoes like sneakers and sandals can be worn as well.

Female teachers wearing headscarves will be allowed to wear scarves and hijab, the notification read.

Male teachers will not be allowed to wear shawls (chadars) during winter, but can wear sweaters, coats and jerseys.

If a male teacher is coming in to work wearing shalwar kameez, he has to wear a waistcoat with it.

If he is wearing a dress shirt, it should preferably be full sleeves with a tie and trousers. During the summers, a half sleeves dress shirt and/or bush shirt can also be worn.

For shoes, men can only wear formal shoes, which includes dress shoes, loafers, Moccasins and boots. Sneakers and sandals can be worn too, but not slippers.

All non-teaching staff must also always maintain presentable and wear neat, clean and properly ironed clothes and appropriate shoes.

A note on "physical appearance" and personal hygiene was also given by the FDE, asking all heads of institutions to ensure that every staff member observes "reasonably good measures" in their physical appearance and personal hygiene. This includes a regular haircut, beard trimming, nail cutting, showers and use of deodorants/perfumes.

You can read FDE's complete dress code guidelines here:
https://www.geo.tv/latest/369223-under-fdes-new-dress-code-educationists-cant-wear-jeans-tights-or-t-shirts-on-duty

 

[Major]

the university where i studied. If any female wore tights she was fined rs.1000

 

[saeedhk]

the university where i studied. If any female wore tights she was fined rs.1000

This country is overly obsessed with what women wear! Absolutely disgusting! The only place where people are more outraged over women’s outfit than rape, murder and robbery.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Good move. A lot of idiots in Pakistan are brainwashed by the "progressive" western thinking where wearing less clothes is freedom. People behave like animals in the west and just see women as pieces of meat.

 

[saeedhk]

Good move. A lot of idiots in Pakistan are brainwashed by the "progressive" western thinking where wearing less clothes is freedom. People behave like animals in the west and just see women as pieces of meat.

A woman in the West is a billion times safer than a woman in Pakistan.

 

[Robert]

Good move. A lot of idiots in Pakistan are brainwashed by the "progressive" western thinking where wearing less clothes is freedom. People behave like animals in the west and just see women as pieces of meat.

You think a rapist is stopped from raping by a woman wearing more clothes? Not true. Rape is not a sexual act, it is a power act. Stop blaming the female victims, and start blaming the male perpetrators.

It is for women to choose what to wear, and for men to control themselves.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Good move. A lot of idiots in Pakistan are brainwashed by the "progressive" western thinking where wearing less clothes is freedom. People behave like animals in the west and just see women as pieces of meat.

Lets be realistic most of our mothers/sisters/wifes feel infinitely more comfortable walking down the street in western countries than they would in the subcontinent.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

Good move. A lot of idiots in Pakistan are brainwashed by the "progressive" western thinking where wearing less clothes is freedom. People behave like animals in the west and just see women as pieces of meat.

lol. All pakistani women will feel indefinitely much more secure in the west than the land of im-pure.

stop living in your delusional fantasy land and come back to the 21st century

 

[Colorblind Genius]

lol. All pakistani women will feel indefinitely much more secure in the west than the land of im-pure.

stop living in your delusional fantasy land and come back to the 21st century

Pakistani women may or may not feel safer in west is because of LAW ENFORCEMENT!

There are many, many areas in the west where even a machoman like yourself wouldn’t “feel safer”.

Remove the law, and then see how people turn into animals in the west.
Have you ever seen the scenes of looting and robbing of stores and businesses when the power goes out in some areas?

So far as the OP goes,
The concept of dress code has no relation to being backward - some very idiotic replies here.

There is a dress code even in corporate America,,,,,,,talk about schools. Every other day we read news in USA where some student (most females) is sent home for wearing clothes that don’t adhere to school’s dress code policy.

Cultural norms of modesty vary from society to society.

It’s foolish and laughable to say that, living in Pakistan, I am going to follow the American standard of modesty, and feel progressive BUT I will shamelessly walk in the streets loaded with trash and filth because I don’t mind NOT following the American way of disposing my trash in a designated trash bin.

I don’t see any extreme dress code implementation here by Hazara University. They are not forcing women to wear burkas and men to grow wild beards and keep their pants/shalwars above the ankles; however, an ideal. situation would've been if the university management should’ve not needed to do this.

Students should’ve been wise enough to know by themselves how to practice modesty as per OUR cultural norms.

But then again, having worked in corporate America for over 20 years, I can tell you with guarantee, that If there was no dress code enforcement, some females would come to work in very small bikinis and some men would come wearing only underwear. 100% guaranteed!

In essence, Hazara university is not forcing to wear anything in particular, they are enforcing to NOT allow a certain article of dress, just as France has enforced NOT to wear Hijab.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

Cultural norms of modesty vary from society to society.

you acknowledge this yet to fail realize the difference between the West and us: that of choice.

you might think wearing jeans in pakistan is against the cultural values of the country (whatever that may be) yet that gives no individual or state the right to police or monitor it. As is the case in the west where certain small segments of their society might frown upon the hijab or other clothing artifacts but will accept and live with it since it is the individual's right to exercise this freedom.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

you acknowledge this yet to fail realize the difference between the West and us: that of choice.

you might think wearing jeans in pakistan is against the cultural values of the country (whatever that may be) yet that gives no individual or state the right to police or monitor it. As is the case in the west where certain small segments of their society might frown upon the hijab or other clothing artifacts but will accept and live with it since it is the individual's right to exercise this freedom.

Man, what kinda intellect are you displaying here?
I am sure you are smarter than that.

Here! Bold underlined above.
You answered your own question.

Do you even know why human societies follow a dress code?

One of the major reasons is, one should not wear or present him/herself in a way that makes the MAJORITY around you uncomfortable.

If a guy in the remote area of Hazara University wears shorts in school, then quite likely, it will make a big majority of females in the university, feel uncomfortable - because that dress doesn't fit in that culture. The way we dress up, our attire sometimes indicates about our character.

Different social norms may associate different types of characters from the attire one presents himself in. Isn't this obvious to you?
Have you heard the term "Slutty clothes" in the west?

And no, it's not about Jeans. Lets not fool ourselves.
It's about SKIN TIGHT jeans and/or shorts.
Read again.

If a few females in the remote Hazara University wear skin tight shirts and/or skin tight pants/jeans then it will probably make a majority of females uncomfortable in the same university.

The buzzwords "right to exercise this freedom" even though has a lot of weight but it also varies from social norms to social norms. It doesn't give anyone a carte blanche. There are limits on it in every culture.

As I gave the example of France, this "right to exercise this freedom" goes out of the window when one wants to wear Hijab.

And the French's policy is based on the same logic, "Hijab makes majority of other (French) females uncomfortable".

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

you acknowledge this yet to fail realize the difference between the West and us: that of choice.

you might think wearing jeans in pakistan is against the cultural values of the country (whatever that may be) yet that gives no individual or state the right to police or monitor it. As is the case in the west where certain small segments of their society might frown upon the hijab or other clothing artifacts but will accept and live with it since it is the individual's right to exercise this freedom.

The west was also like you a hundred years ago. Western skirt hemlines shortened, and pants tightened slowly, inch by inch, era by era when people's mindset changed over time. I think same may happen over there eventually, in fact if they are having to enforce dress codes, seems like it is already happening.

But majority of Pakistanis are still very conservative so it will be a while yet.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

Man, what kinda intellect are you displaying here?
I am sure you are smarter than that.

Here! Bold underlined above.
You answered your own question.

Do you even know why human societies follow a dress code?

One of the major reasons is, one should not wear or present him/herself in a way that makes the MAJORITY around you uncomfortable.

If a guy in the remote area of Hazara University wears shorts in school, then quite likely, it will make a big majority of females in the university, feel uncomfortable - because that dress doesn't fit in that culture. The way we dress up, our attire sometimes indicates about our character.

Different social norms may associate different types of characters from the attire one presents himself in. Isn't this obvious to you?
Have you heard the term "Slutty clothes" in the west?

And no, it's not about Jeans. Lets not fool ourselves.
It's about SKIN TIGHT jeans and/or shorts.
Read again.

If a few females in the remote Hazara University wear skin tight shirts and/or skin tight pants/jeans then it will probably make a majority of females uncomfortable in the same university.

The buzzwords "right to exercise this freedom" even though has a lot of weight but it also varies from social norms to social norms. It doesn't give anyone a carte blanche. There are limits on it in every culture.

As I gave the example of France, this "right to exercise this freedom" goes out of the window when one wants to wear Hijab.

And the French's policy is based on the same logic, "Hijab makes majority of other (French) females uncomfortable".

if women wearing jeans is making other people uncomfortable, then those people are obviously not fit for the society and. You make this sound as if Hazara is nook where people have no access to basic utilities or internet, the folks still hunt for food and go to war on horseback.

The only problem the people have is with women exercising their right to wear what what they want. Wearing jeans is NOT INDECENT in any respectable society today. Defending this decision behind the garb of culture is just a means to hide their own insecurities and outdated beliefs.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

The west was also like you a hundred years ago. Western skirt hemlines shortened, and pants tightened slowly, inch by inch, era by era when people's mindset changed over time. I think same may happen over there eventually, in fact if they are having to enforce dress codes, seems like it is already happening.

But majority of Pakistanis are still very conservative so it will be a while yet.

the problem is digitization/globalization should have sped up this process. The change has already happened in India who started at the same level as us, yet majority back home are adamant not to adapt with times which is creating a huge generational gap between the older order and the next gen

 

[Colorblind Genius]

if women wearing jeans is making other people uncomfortable, then those people are obviously not fit for the society and. You make this sound as if Hazara is nook where people have no access to basic utilities or internet, the folks still hunt for food and go to war on horseback.

The only problem the people have is with women exercising their right to wear what what they want. Wearing jeans is NOT INDECENT in any respectable society today. Defending this decision behind the garb of culture is just a means to hide their own insecurities and outdated beliefs.

You can judge those people with whatever measure you like with, and they have the right to judge the clothing of western women with whatever measure they like with.

Not sure about you but I've been to Hazara University and have travelled through Hazara region quite a few times. Yes, it was a little while ago but it's not New York City or London or Sydney.

Women in general cover themselves in Shawls including covering their head, whenever they go out.
A woman wearing tight jeans and a tight shirt in such an environment does not sit well for those people.

Now, in your books if that makes them not part of a "respectable society", then good for you!

But something that you are trying to avoid, did you notice the dress code is also for men?
If he wears shots in the public, it is considered indecency in that region.

It's not difficult to understand if you truly wanted to.

Passing a judgement on those people for being backward because women wearing jeans in the open public isn't a social for them, is not really smart way of thinking.

The same "respectable society" that is your frame of reference also allows women to go topless on some public beaches. It's normal in many places in Spain, Portugal, Germany Italy, for example.

Where would you draw the line for Hazara people when you want them to become a "respectable society" for your pleasure?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

A woman in the West is a billion times safer than a woman in Pakistan.

I grew up in the west. I've seen all the filth that is here. Pakistan is no safe-haven for women but to say the west is, laughable.

 

[saeedhk]

I grew up in the west. I've seen all the filth that is here. Pakistan is no safe-haven for women but to say the west is, laughable.

Pakistan is ranked 4th worst for women safety, highest number of honor killings, highest number of out of school girls, has one of the lowest female literacy rates in the world, endemic domestic violence which kills 13 women every day and widespread sexual violence against women and children.

This is a place where hundreds of girls are killed every year simply for wanting to marry a man of choice or for refusing to marry a man. This is a place where women are killed for giving birth to a baby girl. Have you heard of vile practices such as sawera, watta satta and vani?

All of my female cousins have left Pakistan and they tell me they have never been happier! In Pakistan, girls and women cannot do trivial things that women in other parts of the world take for granted such as going for a walk, having a coffee, going to the cinema or eating out because of cultural restrictions and safety issues.

While we talk, a woman has been gang-raped by 11 men in Punjab! Trying living in Pakistan to actually find out the plight of women!

 

[JaDed]

Pakistani women may or may not feel safer in west is because of LAW ENFORCEMENT!

There are many, many areas in the west where even a machoman like yourself wouldn’t “feel safer”.

Remove the law, and then see how people turn into animals in the west.
Have you ever seen the scenes of looting and robbing of stores and businesses when the power goes out in some areas?

So far as the OP goes,
The concept of dress code has no relation to being backward - some very idiotic replies here.

There is a dress code even in corporate America,,,,,,,talk about schools. Every other day we read news in USA where some student (most females) is sent home for wearing clothes that don’t adhere to school’s dress code policy.

Cultural norms of modesty vary from society to society.

It’s foolish and laughable to say that, living in Pakistan, I am going to follow the American standard of modesty, and feel progressive BUT I will shamelessly walk in the streets loaded with trash and filth because I don’t mind NOT following the American way of disposing my trash in a designated trash bin.

I don’t see any extreme dress code implementation here by Hazara University. They are not forcing women to wear burkas and men to grow wild beards and keep their pants/shalwars above the ankles; however, an ideal. situation would've been if the university management should’ve not needed to do this.

Students should’ve been wise enough to know by themselves how to practice modesty as per OUR cultural norms.

But then again, having worked in corporate America for over 20 years, I can tell you with guarantee, that If there was no dress code enforcement, some females would come to work in very small bikinis and some men would come wearing only underwear. 100% guaranteed!

In essence, Hazara university is not forcing to wear anything in particular, they are enforcing to NOT allow a certain article of dress, just as France has enforced NOT to wear Hijab.

I work in corporate America what atrocious generalization are you making lol.

Which city and what kind of corporate are you talking about?

Also French are incorrect to do so , can’t believe someone on PP agrees with it.

 

[Itachi]

if women wearing jeans is making other people uncomfortable, then those people are obviously not fit for the society and. You make this sound as if Hazara is nook where people have no access to basic utilities or internet, the folks still hunt for food and go to war on horseback.

The only problem the people have is with women exercising their right to wear what what they want. Wearing jeans is NOT INDECENT in any respectable society today. Defending this decision behind the garb of culture is just a means to hide their own insecurities and outdated beliefs.

I too support dress code (more specifically, uniform) but for a different reason.

Having uniform creates a symbol of belonging in a more visual manner. When I see the colors that was my uniform in my school, it makes me nostalgic. It also establishes students in the same level regardless from which strata of society they may belong. It thus prevents the insecurities that may creep in (especially in schools) where the young minds may not able to accept the differentiation of the society based upon status.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I work in corporate America what atrocious generalization are you making lol.

Which city and what kind of corporate are you talking about?

Also French are incorrect to do so , can’t believe someone on PP agrees with it.

Right in the heart of NYC, Midtown Manhattan, Wall Street and in Westchester County in NY.
Worked in Finance and Healthcare.

I remember one particular incident when there was an internal email sent out to all employees one summer when I worked for Morgan Stanley. It warned the females to dress up with modesty and avoid wearing too much of a revealing clothes.

If you don't know that Plunging necklines, midriff-revealing crop tops, sheer fabrics, mini skirts etc don't belong in the workplace then I am not sure which corporate America you worked for?

Are you saying there is no dress code in corporate America?

I guess your turn to tell me which cooperate America you worked in? What city?

Are you also denying that there is never an incident in USA when a female student being sent home for not adhering to school's dress code?

And finally, whatever French did is acceptable to their majority, whether you agree or not is your opinion, just as Hazara area can implement to not allow certain clothing articles, now whether someone agrees with it or not is only their opinion.

 

[Robert]

I grew up in the west. I've seen all the filth that is here. Pakistan is no safe-haven for women but to say the west is, laughable.

What filth? I bet I have been here longer that you and I never saw any filth. Maybe you are looking too hard for it?

 

[Robert]

Under FDE's new dress code, educationists can't wear jeans, tights or T-shirts on duty

FDE issues guidelines on new dress code for teachers.
Bans females from wearing jeans or tights to work, males from wearing T-shirts.
Note given on "physical appearance" and personal hygiene by FDE, asks all heads of institutions to ensure staff observes "reasonably good measures"

ISLAMABAD: Teachers working for federal government educational institutes will now have to strictly follow a new dress code announced by the Federal Directorate of Education (FDE).

In a notification issued on September 6, the FDE has outlined in detail what men and women can and cannot wear. The FDE reasoned that research has proven that attire has an influence on people's perceptions and is more than just about something you are wearing.

"At first instance, the outlook imposes a very positive expectation subjective to the likeliness and behaviour pattern of the students," the FDE said in its notification ahead of its guidelines on the dress codes.

Another KP university imposes a dress code for students
'No makeup, tight jeans': Hazara University issues new dress code for students, staff members
The FDE has prohibited female teachers from wearing jeans or tights, while male teachers can't wear jeans and T-shirts.

Teachers have been instructed to wear teaching gowns in class and lab coats in the laboratory.

For women, a "simple and decent shalwar kameez/trousers shirt with dupatta/shawl" has been recommended.

Only formal shoes, which includes pumps, loafers and mules, are allowed. But owing to long-standing hours during teaching, comfortable shoes like sneakers and sandals can be worn as well.

Female teachers wearing headscarves will be allowed to wear scarves and hijab, the notification read.

Male teachers will not be allowed to wear shawls (chadars) during winter, but can wear sweaters, coats and jerseys.

If a male teacher is coming in to work wearing shalwar kameez, he has to wear a waistcoat with it.

If he is wearing a dress shirt, it should preferably be full sleeves with a tie and trousers. During the summers, a half sleeves dress shirt and/or bush shirt can also be worn.

For shoes, men can only wear formal shoes, which includes dress shoes, loafers, Moccasins and boots. Sneakers and sandals can be worn too, but not slippers.

All non-teaching staff must also always maintain presentable and wear neat, clean and properly ironed clothes and appropriate shoes.

A note on "physical appearance" and personal hygiene was also given by the FDE, asking all heads of institutions to ensure that every staff member observes "reasonably good measures" in their physical appearance and personal hygiene. This includes a regular haircut, beard trimming, nail cutting, showers and use of deodorants/perfumes.

You can read FDE's complete dress code guidelines here:
https://www.geo.tv/latest/369223-under-fdes-new-dress-code-educationists-cant-wear-jeans-tights-or-t-shirts-on-duty

That reads like a reasonable dress code for the workplace.

Where I work at the moment I could get away with jeans, t-shirt and trainers on a Friday, as I am not client facing, but choose always to wear leather shoes, collared shirt and chinos.

 

[PakLFC]

Generally there seems nothing untoward about these rules. No stupid things like men being forced to grow beards or ladies made to wear the veil is okay with me. Every school or educational institution has certain dress codes that have to be respected and adhered. Where I work denims are also disallowed and men must wear a tie.