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No one will die: Dean Jones on India’s back-to-back matches in 2018 Asia Cup [Post #154]
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What the heck, a super 4?
What was wrong with a simple Asia Cup format with India Pak SL and Bangladesh.
What was wrong with a simple Asia Cup format with India Pak SL and Bangladesh.
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ridiculous.
Playing back to back one days is not that easy.
Its not a level playing field then.
I dont care whether its India, Australia or Pakistan, that is a ridiculous future. Dean jones talks about Test Cricket being played on 5 concutive days.
Test cricket is played differently. In Oneday cricket you are required to be upto the mark during the whole game, attacking and diving.
In test game, you divide the work load onto sessions and days.
Playing back to back one days is not that easy.
Its not a level playing field then.
I dont care whether its India, Australia or Pakistan, that is a ridiculous future. Dean jones talks about Test Cricket being played on 5 concutive days.
Test cricket is played differently. In Oneday cricket you are required to be upto the mark during the whole game, attacking and diving.
In test game, you divide the work load onto sessions and days.
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More asian countries need to be added. I think its a good decision that we are going for 6 nations.
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Their arrogance because of $$ is speaking. Post 2007, everyone in that Indian team has suddenly became legends. Its true, few were really legends like Sachin, Dravid, and Laxman. Others, like Zaheer Khan, Yuvi, Bhajji, Viru, common man, they were very good in their time, but not legendary status that they have received.
Only player Indian fans don't treat well is MSD. he was once in a century player, like Gilchrist. Yet, Indian fans, criticize him. He deserve more respect than others so called not so very bad players.
Real Legends:
Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble
Over hyped :
Zaheer Khan, Bhajji, Yuvi, Sehwag
Someone who deserve more respect:
MSD, Ganguly
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And in present XI:
Legendary :
Kohli
Someone who deserve more respect:
Rahane, Bhuvi,Ashwin, Rohit
Overhyped:
all others
Over over overhyped:
Dinesh Karthik[ even their Nayan Mongia was better than this]
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The tickets would already be sold. Its not thar simple.
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Anyone knows what times the matches will start? And where to buy tickets?
I was aware. Just was an opinion.
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Perfectly put.
MSD is an ATG class ODI player. Yea he has declined but his keeping is still top class.
Karthik was overhyped after one FLUKE inning against Bangladesh lasting ridiculously less number of deliveries, and was selected to play Test Cricket in England, where is the logic in that?
Pujara is over-hyped as well and I dont remember him doing anything when the ball swings.
Bhuvi in odis is pathetic. Ashwin deserves alot respect for tests though. Rohit only short format played and Rahane only test player.
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Msd is criticised for his recent performances, he has a huge fanbase in india, even bigger than virat kohli.
Yuvi is overhyped? Really.
The biggest problem of indian loi sides is its middle order being to fragile, india hasn't been able to find a replacement of yuvi for so long. The best performer of both the world cups we won. He is underrated not overrated. A fixed spot in indian all time x1 loi team.
Sehwag is overrated? You are surely joking.
Yeah harbhajan is overrated and maybe zaheer also( to some extent) .
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Regarding what Dean Jones had to say:
I think back to back matches is really not ideal, and that it should only be implemented if that's the only possible way, and I think it's a stupid idea as they could have easily just switched this fixture to another date to avoid any team playing twice in two days. I don't think they should boycott the Asia Cup because of this, that would be OTT but I don't agree with people saying stuff like 'they should just get over it'.
With all that being said though, I wouldn't have thought playing twice in two days would really make a huge difference and I don't think this will shift the advantage to Pakistan massively for that fixture, maybe increase their chances of winning by like only 5%, after all the cricketing schedule is so packed that playing twice in two days is not as big of a deal as it would have been in previous generations!
I think back to back matches is really not ideal, and that it should only be implemented if that's the only possible way, and I think it's a stupid idea as they could have easily just switched this fixture to another date to avoid any team playing twice in two days. I don't think they should boycott the Asia Cup because of this, that would be OTT but I don't agree with people saying stuff like 'they should just get over it'.
With all that being said though, I wouldn't have thought playing twice in two days would really make a huge difference and I don't think this will shift the advantage to Pakistan massively for that fixture, maybe increase their chances of winning by like only 5%, after all the cricketing schedule is so packed that playing twice in two days is not as big of a deal as it would have been in previous generations!
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well..man of the tournament award winner of a world cup certainly deserves the legend tag
Ofcourse a man who changed the dynamics of a test team as an aggressive opener deserves the legend status and add the number of triple, double and big hundreds to this
Zaheer nd bhajji are definitely overrated but not viru nd yuvi
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Sehwag is actually underrated.
With all his failures abroad, he literally killed tests when he got going in 3 sessions by plundering runs.
If you score at a faster pace in tests, you bat the opposition out of the game.
Yuvraj is a T20 great and is overrated in ODI to an extent.
MSD is amazing just he has got older.
Harbhajan is overrated and ZAK has some performances at least to back it up in World Cup.
With all his failures abroad, he literally killed tests when he got going in 3 sessions by plundering runs.
If you score at a faster pace in tests, you bat the opposition out of the game.
Yuvraj is a T20 great and is overrated in ODI to an extent.
MSD is amazing just he has got older.
Harbhajan is overrated and ZAK has some performances at least to back it up in World Cup.
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Is dean jones really comparing back-to-back odis with a test match??how lame!!
Deano is right. The point is that Test are played in five consecutive days with about 90 overs in each. I don't see why any team should be crying about being asked to play two one days similarly. Stop crying India, get on with it.
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Its unfair. India should be given atleast a day‘s rest
Would you have the same comment if Pak had to play with qualifier on day 1 and on next day with India? Very difficult to answer for you because you are not in position to reply or advice anyone.
Of course I am in a position to make a comment. To bad for you that India is being told to play on two consecutive days so whoever is arranging the tournament agree's with me. Yes, I would be fine if Pak were asked to play on two consecutive days. If they can do it in Test matches can do so on one day's as well. Get on with it!
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Deano got it spot on. People not dying should be the criterion for scheduling matches.
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Dean Jones with his usual nonsense.
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Agree Sehwag is the most underrated and Yuvi is the most overrated cricketer India has produced. I have followed careers of both since their debut game. Sehwag could change the course of a test match in couple of hours. He redefined the test match opening along with Hayden like what Jayasuriya did in ODIs. He was more important to our test team in his peak than even Sachin/Dravid. Opponents used to lose their sleep over Sehwag.
Yuvraj though had great few ICC tournaments and had enormous talent was never consistent. Post his debut in 2000, he was even dropped from the team many times for Hemang Badani, Dinesh Mongia etc.
Give me a Sehwag over Yuvraj Singh anyday.
Good to know there is no difference between playing ODIs and tests.
In terms of stamina required it is similar. Another thing is that one day teams are mostly very different to test ones. Being asked to play two one days in the same number of days is not the end of the world. There can be no special rules for India who make a fuss about everything
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I agree with you regarding stamina but question is why it has to be with one team? Its bit unfair in my opinion, if India does not mind it then who we are to complain?
I think in the past other teams have also played back to back matches. Sometimes it is how the itinerary works out, no one is being unfair to India here. That is what I am saying that if the players are okay with it then why are Indian fans complaining?. In Football clubs are often forced to play with the team suffering major injury problems. Sportsmen and teams get paid so well that complaining of such things sounds ridiculous.
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News came out this past week that India will play all their games in Dubai regardless of whether they win or lose vs Pakistan on Wednesday.
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Do teams carry points forward from the first round?
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They didn't last time they used this format in 2008.
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Hmm would have been good if they did. It would have avoided having any potential dead rubbers
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Nonsense logic by both you and Dean Jones, as usual.
In tests both teams play back-to-back days of cricket. Here only one team is forced to do that while the other gets rest days.
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BCCI agreed to the itinerary before it was implemented.
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Seperate matter. I'm not concerned with it anyway. I'm sure the team can handle it.
My aim there was to point out the terrible logic [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] and Dean Jones used in comoaring this situation with a test match. And I have done precisely that and nothing more.
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Seperate matter. I'm not concerned with it anyway. I'm sure the team can handle it.
My aim there was to point out the terrible logic [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] and Dean Jones used in comoaring this situation with a test match. And I have done precisely that and nothing more.
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Yeah but that would have reduced the chances of an India Pakistan Final
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No one may die but there sure to be some injuries in this heat.
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it will be tough on their bowlers
if positions were reversed we would say India bias, have to be honest about that
if positions were reversed we would say India bias, have to be honest about that
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Their players if they happen to field first on both the occasions. Bowlers might get effected from heat and catch an injuries or two.
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One player who came close to dying because of excess heat and humidity on a cricket field, it was Deano in that tied Test at then Madras. Incidentally it was around the same time as the Asia Cup, played from September 18-22 in 1986.
Obviously he may feel funny now, but I hope no players gets close to that kind of ordeal for playing a cricket match. This is not war and no one should even get close to dying for playing a sport. Modern day fitness levels and recuperation systems available to teams will ensure players are ready for the next day. Plus for Indian players, experience of playing IPL matches at 4 PM in the May heat with temperatures in North India sometimes touching 43-44 will come handy.
Obviously he may feel funny now, but I hope no players gets close to that kind of ordeal for playing a cricket match. This is not war and no one should even get close to dying for playing a sport. Modern day fitness levels and recuperation systems available to teams will ensure players are ready for the next day. Plus for Indian players, experience of playing IPL matches at 4 PM in the May heat with temperatures in North India sometimes touching 43-44 will come handy.
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If there is any team that truly has a right to complain, it is Bangladesh.
They have to play their final group game on Thursday the 20th vs Afghanistan and then come back the next day and play a Super 4 match vs the winner of India and Pakistan, which is more crucial.
This would have made no difference as all teams in the Super 4 are playing on the 21st.
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