No Pakistani captain will ever get unquestioned authority again

[Savak]

Ramiz kept advocating for captain getting unquestioned authority over team selections, teams practice sessions, tactics and overall environment just like how he saw things under Imran Khan's captaincy in the 1980's and early 1990's.

Little does Ramiz realize that Imran Khan was a global icon, celebrity, oxford educated graduate and was the team's publicist and face of Pakistan Cricket. Imran was a very strict captain, he would give an absolute rocket to batsmen who would throw away their wickets playing horrible shots in crucial match situations, batsmen who preferred to hit their way out of trouble rather than fight it out, take blows for the team. He would give a rocket to fielders for misfielding. Pakistani players would be very careful about their diets, players would be scared about Imran catching them eating burgers and pizzas.

Babar Azam on the other hand has stubbornly refused to come down the batting, he has stubbornly refused to look at other options in the middle order even when pressed by the Chief selector and Ramiz to have a rethink, we can see the team's fitness levels down, the players are very slow in the outfield, noone can fire in a good throw to the keeper or hit the stumps when necessary, fielders dropping crucial catches at vital times, players appearing with pot bellies like Haider Ali.

Misbah is absolutely correct that the team management has become very lax when it comes to the team's fitness standards and eating habits, in every PCB video you can see the team eating cakes over minor things, Shan Masood in an article testified that Babar has insisted on the team having frequent meals out i.e. Lunches, Dinners in the top resteraunts in the city.

This team under Babar Azam has just not been professionally run at all. No future PCB chairman will ever give a future Pakistani captain unquestioned power over team selections, tactics and how to operate the teams net sessions, practice sessions ever again after this Babar Azam experience.

 

[Varun]

Babar Azam is not the right guy, but Rameez doesn't seem the sort to abandon a cause just after one failure.

Who's next in line as captain? Rizwan? Shadab?

 

[shamaan]

Babar Azam is not the right guy, but Rameez doesn't seem the sort to abandon a cause just after one failure.

Who's next in line as captain? Rizwan? Shadab?

It should be Shadab.Rizwan is similar to Babar.

 

[muqarrab]

Ramiz kept advocating for captain getting unquestioned authority over team selections, teams practice sessions, tactics and overall environment just like how he saw things under Imran Khan's captaincy in the 1980's and early 1990's.

Little does Ramiz realize that Imran Khan was a global icon, celebrity, oxford educated graduate and was the team's publicist and face of Pakistan Cricket. Imran was a very strict captain, he would give an absolute rocket to batsmen who would throw away their wickets playing horrible shots in crucial match situations, batsmen who preferred to hit their way out of trouble rather than fight it out, take blows for the team. He would give a rocket to fielders for misfielding. Pakistani players would be very careful about their diets, players would be scared about Imran catching them eating burgers and pizzas.

Babar Azam on the other hand has stubbornly refused to come down the batting, he has stubbornly refused to look at other options in the middle order even when pressed by the Chief selector and Ramiz to have a rethink, we can see the team's fitness levels down, the players are very slow in the outfield, noone can fire in a good throw to the keeper or hit the stumps when necessary, fielders dropping crucial catches at vital times, players appearing with pot bellies like Haider Ali.

Misbah is absolutely correct that the team management has become very lax when it comes to the team's fitness standards and eating habits, in every PCB video you can see the team eating cakes over minor things, Shan Masood in an article testified that Babar has insisted on the team having frequent meals out i.e. Lunches, Dinners in the top resteraunts in the city.

This team under Babar Azam has just not been professionally run at all. No future PCB chairman will ever give a future Pakistani captain unquestioned power over team selections, tactics and how to operate the teams net sessions, practice sessions ever again after this Babar Azam experience.

Problem s with rameez and his outdated thinking, all he does is use social media and work on his vanity projects. How in the world is he unable to find first team coaching staff and burden babar with all the responsibility.

 

[Savak]

Problem s with rameez and his outdated thinking, all he does is use social media and work on his vanity projects. How in the world is he unable to find first team coaching staff and burden babar with all the responsibility.

To be fair, not many high profile coaches are not willing to come to Pakistan and coach Pakistan full time at the salary PCB can afford to offer, not when they are all sought after by the IPL franchises.

Andy Flower turned down the PCB when they approached him because he wants to strictly focus on T20 leagues coaching.

 

[msb314]

Ramiz kept advocating for captain getting unquestioned authority over team selections, teams practice sessions, tactics and overall environment just like how he saw things under Imran Khan's captaincy in the 1980's and early 1990's.

Little does Ramiz realize that Imran Khan was a global icon, celebrity, oxford educated graduate and was the team's publicist and face of Pakistan Cricket. Imran was a very strict captain, he would give an absolute rocket to batsmen who would throw away their wickets playing horrible shots in crucial match situations, batsmen who preferred to hit their way out of trouble rather than fight it out, take blows for the team. He would give a rocket to fielders for misfielding. Pakistani players would be very careful about their diets, players would be scared about Imran catching them eating burgers and pizzas.

Babar Azam on the other hand has stubbornly refused to come down the batting, he has stubbornly refused to look at other options in the middle order even when pressed by the Chief selector and Ramiz to have a rethink, we can see the team's fitness levels down, the players are very slow in the outfield, noone can fire in a good throw to the keeper or hit the stumps when necessary, fielders dropping crucial catches at vital times, players appearing with pot bellies like Haider Ali.

Misbah is absolutely correct that the team management has become very lax when it comes to the team's fitness standards and eating habits, in every PCB video you can see the team eating cakes over minor things, Shan Masood in an article testified that Babar has insisted on the team having frequent meals out i.e. Lunches, Dinners in the top resteraunts in the city.

This team under Babar Azam has just not been professionally run at all. No future PCB chairman will ever give a future Pakistani captain unquestioned power over team selections, tactics and how to operate the teams net sessions, practice sessions ever again after this Babar Azam experience.

As usual - unquestioned love for IK.

He fluked his way to a WC but his tenure was filled with mediocrity as well.

 

[arif_2021]

Blame game starts

 

[moghul]

As usual - unquestioned love for IK.

He fluked his way to a WC but his tenure was filled with mediocrity as well.

You need to learn basics of cricket history.

 

[offstump]

To be fair, not many high profile coaches are not willing to come to Pakistan and coach Pakistan full time at the salary PCB can afford to offer, not when they are all sought after by the IPL franchises.

Andy Flower turned down the PCB when they approached him because he wants to strictly focus on T20 leagues coaching.

We don’t need a high profile coach. In fact we need a young, progressive analytics driven coach who is looking for a way to break into international cricket. If pcb had any brains they’d be looking for someone like this in England or Australia.

 

[SamNJ]

That's the problem. Pakistan don't have batting talent who can just come into the team and start performing and win matches. On the other hand, fans expectations are high and there is a whole lot of toxic and vile ex-cricketers who go on trp hungry media and drill into the team after matches are lost.
This creates a movement of sort against PCB, selectors, management and captain after every defeat and that leads to constant chopping and changing and a never ending merry go round of players coming in and going out and Pakistani players and team make no progress.

 

[Savak]

More than a coach, what Pakistan IMO needs an international director of cricket who should be in charge of the selection committee, coaching staff, aligning domestic teams and the national teams, the sort of role Andrew Strauss is playing for England.

 

[msb314]

You need to learn basics of cricket history.

Thanks but no thanks

 

[MenInG]

So, we want a yes man as a captain?

 

[wrongun]

Blame game starts

And why not?
Choking to India is bad.

Choking to Zim is a disaster.

Team needs a hard course correction early. 2 years to next WC. Don't waste them in complacency. This unit/leadership is not "it".

 

[Usman Chadda]

No other captain could have prevented this either, the batsmen are not equipped to deal with the bounce on these pitches. I said three days before the game that Muzarabani and Ngarava will cause issues for Pakistan on this ground, and they did.

There is a fundamental issue in how our batsmen play off the backfoot, and these issues were prevalent when Mark Wood destroyed us twice on low bounce wickets in Pakistan with his pace.

Someone like Haider Ali will never be able to play here, as his whole weight is on the front foot due to the pitches he has played on all his life. Asif Ali is also a good player when he is playing on low bounce wickets, both have a crouched stance which will never work on pitches with pace and bounce. Both should never have been on this plane to Australia, as their spot is completely wasted due to technical issues for these conditions.

This was expected. We might win against Netherlands and Bangladesh, but South Africa will also expose our flaws because they have the ammo to do that.

No captain or coach would have made a difference. We simply need to tour this part of the world more. We have played four T20Is before this WC started, in 14 years in Australia. That’s just pathetic.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No other captain could have prevented this either, the batsmen are not equipped to deal with the bounce on these pitches. I said three days before the game that Muzarabani and Ngarava will cause issues for Pakistan on this ground, and they did.

There is a fundamental issue in how our batsmen play off the backfoot, and these issues were prevalent when Mark Wood destroyed us twice on low bounce wickets in Pakistan with his pace.

Someone like Haider Ali will never be able to play here, as his whole weight is on the front foot due to the pitches he has played on all his life. Asif Ali is also a good player when he is playing on low bounce wickets, both have a crouched stance which will never work on pitches with pace and bounce. Both should never have been on this plane to Australia, as their spot is completely wasted due to technical issues for these conditions.

This was expected. We might win against Netherlands and Bangladesh, but South Africa will also expose our flaws because they have the ammo to do that.

No captain or coach would have made a difference. We simply need to tour this part of the world more. We have played four T20Is before this WC started, in 14 years in Australia. That’s just pathetic.

Don't agree with your conclusion. SCG has not shown the bounce that either Perth or MCG have.

Also, South African quicks have not been particularly pacy this year. They have bowled less % of deliveries above 140 kph than even New Zealand and NZ only bowled around 11%.

That combined with the relative slowness of the SCG should suit Pakistan.

If Pakistan wins the toss and get their matchups right, their is a very good chance for Pakistan to win.

 

[Markhor]

As usual - unquestioned love for IK.

He fluked his way to a WC but his tenure was filled with mediocrity as well.

You serious ? The only time Pakistan resembled a consistent, world class team was between 1986-1992.

We didn't lose a home series between 1980-1995, beat England away in 1987 for first time, were the only team to beat India away between 1987-2000, and were the only side to beat West Indies in a Test in West Indies in the 1980s.

In ODIs we won several multilateral tournaments such as the 1986 and 1990 Australasia Cup, 1989 Nehru Cup, 1989 Champions Trophy and 1991 Wills Trophy.

The rot set in during the mid 1990s when the team became a fractured, undisciplined rabble relying on individual superstars than being a cohesive, well drilled unit.

The 80s team lacked the talent of the 90s side, but they knew who the boss was, and were more resilient under pressure.

 

[Titan24]

But, if Babar has unquestioned authority (I know there is a chance based upon what we have been hearing) is there any other captain in the world which has such an authority in modern day cricket? Or is it something which Ramiz brought from his understanding of Imran's era?

In a national team system with Chief Selector, other selectors, team management, captain, team leadership with all their brains and effort working towards the same goal is always going to leave behind a national team system arguably run mainly by one man (Assuming Babar is that). Even if one man is making the decision the rest of the characters should be providing him with facts and valuable info and that one guy has to be open to listening to them.

Above argument aside, was Babar really the person or matured enough as leader to be given such an authority? He needed to be given an experienced coaching setup to go with it if it was ever to consistently succeed but, we have got possibly the most inexperienced setup in the entire world currently (Even Zim has better experience in their management ranks)

Lets see who have been the best white ball captains in recent times, Brendon McCullum and Eoin Morgan (Wont discuss Dhoni's era as of now). They did have the authority to set the team direction and what kind of players they wanted in the team but, I am pretty sure even they weren't given an unquestioned authority. At the same time when Eng had an early exit in 2015 WC, ECB sticked with him but gave him a coach who was more aligned as well as experienced with regards to the brand of cricket Morgan and ECB was looking for.

In my opinion in modern day team games no one should be given an unquestioned authority, yes there can be one person who has the final say in different aspects related to the direction of the team and then all work accordingly towards that. Unquestioned authority also brings that extra pressure when you think you have to make everything right but, how it should be is that there are other characters who have to support, provide insights and share that pressure.

 

[Energy]

And why not?
Choking to India is bad.

Choking to Zim is a disaster.

Team needs a hard course correction early. 2 years to next WC. Don't waste them in complacency. This unit/leadership is not "it".

Who will give the hard course correction? PCB is a complacent, soft, mafia run employer and so are it's employees including the management and captain. You hold my back, I'll hold yours. And they all continue to pocket healthy salaries in lacs each month.

Rinse this for 4-5 years and you have enough monies to build a house and get few tv shows and endorsements and live a normal life.

If the board does not hold the coach, captain and players accountable for pathetic performances then there's nothing much you can do.

 

[wrongun]

You serious ? The only time Pakistan resembled a consistent, world class team was between 1986-1992.

We didn't lose a home series between 1980-1995, beat England away in 1987 for first time, were the only team to beat India away between 1987-2000, and were the only side to beat West Indies in a Test in West Indies in the 1980s.

In ODIs we won several multilateral tournaments such as the 1986 and 1990 Australasia Cup, 1989 Nehru Cup, 1989 Champions Trophy and 1991 Wills Trophy.

The rot set in during the mid 1990s when the team became a fractured, undisciplined rabble relying on individual superstars than being a cohesive, well drilled unit.

The 80s team lacked the talent of the 90s side, but they knew who the boss was, and were more resilient under pressure.

Bro, anyone who doesn't recognise Pakistan & Imran in particular as the only nation to go toe to toe with WI in their prime on multiple occasions at their peak- home and away!, win a WC when they were a quadrennial event on the most foreign pitches possible... then they just don't know cricket.

Look what Imran got from his "bit players" vs what Babar has got. No blame to Babar, most captains are average. Imran got career bests from almost everyone, in hard condition, after losses, experienced or not. Many never reaches such heights again...

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Our players don't need soft captain's. 99% of Pakistanis are ill disciplined and only understand 1 way of doing things. Tough captaincy is our only hope.

 

[muqarrab]

To be fair, not many high profile coaches are not willing to come to Pakistan and coach Pakistan full time at the salary PCB can afford to offer, not when they are all sought after by the IPL franchises.

Andy Flower turned down the PCB when they approached him because he wants to strictly focus on T20 leagues coaching.

Guven that constraint, it is still rameez's job to find the right support staff. Did he do that?

 

[TheSultan]

Unquestioned authority is wasted on someone like Babar who has very little cricketing acumen. There are some people who you give power to - visionaries. They’ll make a big difference.

Babar will only use it for his own and his friends’ selfish needs.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

I don't know who put this useless middle order together but losing Hafeez, Malik and and in form Fakhar is a big blow.

 

[Savak]

Lol, the way the media, fans and the entire cricketing fraternity including his most recent team mates have ruthlessly turned Babar into zero, don't expect anyone else in the squad to accept the captaincy

 

[Realromeo]

Pakistani fans are so over dramatic lol. Just 1 bad loss. We nearly lost to Hong Kong 2 years ago. It doesn't matter.

 

[Mainul]

As usual - unquestioned love for IK.

He fluked his way to a WC but his tenure was filled with mediocrity as well.

Imran khan is the man who taught Pakistan, injected the self belief in the team to win against the best of the best. Yes, he had his own choices and some deserving players didn't get chance in the team but his captaincy quality and charisma was unquestionable.

 

[Shariq7]

As usual - unquestioned love for IK.

He fluked his way to a WC but his tenure was filled with mediocrity as well.

Can you give some examples of this mediocrity?

 

[Sherazkhalid]

As usual - unquestioned love for IK.

He fluked his way to a WC but his tenure was filled with mediocrity as well.

Yes somethings went our way in WC but he was one of the best all rounders of his time and the only team who beat WI in WI at their peak and still mediocrity. Gosh your standards are impossible.