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I don't even need to see any audits, financials to guage how successful the PSL has been for Pakistan Cricket in the long run and for the PCB financially

After the PSL the PCB has done the following

- Hired Mickey Arthur and a few other Foreign Coaches, trainers for the National team

- Rebuilt the Academy in Karachi

- Rebuilt the Academy in Lahore

- Rebuilt Qadhaffi stadium in Lahore

- Rebuilt National Stadium in Karachi and will pursue further work on the National Stadium in Karachi

- Rebuilt the Academy in Multan

- Have plans to launch academies in other areas of Pakistan

- Have plans to rebuilt the Stadiums in Hyderabad, Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Multan

- Are pursuing a costly but a just and well justified compensation claim against the BCCI

All these things are not cheap, they cost money and the PCB was unable to do anything about it from 2009 to 2015 but since the PSL came into existence these above projects have been undertaken ambitiously
 
PSL made about USD 5mn from the 3 matches held in Pakistan

now I dont know who footed the cost of security. If it was primarily Punjab and Sindh governments, then PCB made a fortune of this
 
I don't even need to see any audits, financials to guage how successful the PSL has been for Pakistan Cricket in the long run and for the PCB financially

After the PSL the PCB has done the following

- Hired Mickey Arthur and a few other Foreign Coaches, trainers for the National team

- Rebuilt the Academy in Karachi

- Rebuilt the Academy in Lahore

- Rebuilt Qadhaffi stadium in Lahore

- Rebuilt National Stadium in Karachi and will pursue further work on the National Stadium in Karachi

- Rebuilt the Academy in Multan

- Have plans to launch academies in other areas of Pakistan

- Have plans to rebuilt the Stadiums in Hyderabad, Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Multan

- Are pursuing a costly but a just and well justified compensation claim against the BCCI

All these things are not cheap, they cost money and the PCB was unable to do anything about it from 2009 to 2015 but since the PSL came into existence these above projects have been undertaken ambitiously

The area that needs the most attention is the terrible standard of 1st class cricket due to dreadful pitches and poorly paid players. Unless you can enlighten as to what has been done, I don’t think the PCB even see it as problem. These problems are long standing and just like others before him-Sethi hasn’t touched them.
 
The area that needs the most attention is the terrible standard of 1st class cricket due to dreadful pitches and poorly paid players. Unless you can enlighten as to what has been done, I don’t think the PCB even see it as problem. These problems are long standing and just like others before him-Sethi hasn’t touched them.

The PCB spends on average Rs 660 million annually on running Domestic Cricket in Pakistan, even then the standard of domestic cricket is poor with so many players, so many teams and players are earning phateecher wages, in squalid conditions. Running domestic cricket is not easy or cheap. In fact all the regions should be independent, empowered, responsible for maintaining their own grounds, teams, players.

Sethi is rightfully trying to privatize the grass roots domestic crickets i.e. requesting departments to buy regional teams, requesting PSL Franchise owners to buy regional teams and take responsibility so that the PCB can focus on the national team, international issues and administrative stuff.
 
The PCB spends on average Rs 660 million annually on running Domestic Cricket in Pakistan, even then the standard of domestic cricket is poor with so many players, so many teams and players are earning phateecher wages, in squalid conditions. Running domestic cricket is not easy or cheap. In fact all the regions should be independent, empowered, responsible for maintaining their own grounds, teams, players.

Sethi is rightfully trying to privatize the grass roots domestic crickets i.e. requesting departments to buy regional teams, requesting PSL Franchise owners to buy regional teams and take responsibility so that the PCB can focus on the national team, international issues and administrative stuff.

so what will be PCB role??just international schedule and few meetings?
 
We are not england and aus.we can follow india model which is more suited to us.

I believe even the regions in India more or less run their affairs now. The PCB will be more efficient if they just focus on the national team, managing international relations and focusing purely on the core strategic Pakistan Cricket issues. There has to be delegation for efficiency
 
I believe even the regions in India more or less run their affairs now. The PCB will be more efficient if they just focus on the national team, managing international relations and focusing purely on the core strategic Pakistan Cricket issues. There has to be delegation for efficiency

Then u mean to say it would be better that regions take care of themselves rather than by franchises or Departments?
 
Then u mean to say it would be better that regions take care of themselves rather than by franchises or Departments?

Franchises and Departments should buy out the regions and run the regional teams
 
The PCB spends on average Rs 660 million annually on running Domestic Cricket in Pakistan, even then the standard of domestic cricket is poor with so many players, so many teams and players are earning phateecher wages, in squalid conditions. Running domestic cricket is not easy or cheap. In fact all the regions should be independent, empowered, responsible for maintaining their own grounds, teams, players.

Sethi is rightfully trying to privatize the grass roots domestic crickets i.e. requesting departments to buy regional teams, requesting PSL Franchise owners to buy regional teams and take responsibility so that the PCB can focus on the national team, international issues and administrative stuff.

Plz do remember to convert rupiahs to proper currency

660million is about 4 million pounds

4 million pounds on domestic structure is pittance

I don't know about the wages but I guess the department companies pay out, so where exactly is all the money going ?
 
The PCB spends on average Rs 660 million annually on running Domestic Cricket in Pakistan, even then the standard of domestic cricket is poor with so many players, so many teams and players are earning phateecher wages, in squalid conditions. Running domestic cricket is not easy or cheap. In fact all the regions should be independent, empowered, responsible for maintaining their own grounds, teams, players.

Sethi is rightfully trying to privatize the grass roots domestic crickets i.e. requesting departments to buy regional teams, requesting PSL Franchise owners to buy regional teams and take responsibility so that the PCB can focus on the national team, international issues and administrative stuff.

Without a strategy spending any money is a waste. The role of the PCB is twofold: promote cricket and create a strong international team-It does neither.
The PCB is self serving and for you to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. The PCB is run for the benefit of the elite and always has been, it cares not for domestic or international as long as Sethi and friends can enjoy foreign jaunts fully paid by the PCB. Here is simple question, do you think that in the 4 years since Sethi has been leading PCB he has watched a single FC domestic game?
 
PSL made about USD 5mn from the 3 matches held in Pakistan

now I dont know who footed the cost of security. If it was primarily Punjab and Sindh governments, then PCB made a fortune of this

Without going into the specifics of your calculations, that makes it over 1.5 million USD per match. If all the PSL matches were held in pakistan, it should fetch PCB a sum well in excess of 50 million USD. That makes it an equal of AFL. Pardon me if I choose to stay skeptical.
 
All of those things listed in the OP pale in comparison to the real achievement of the PSL, which is to provide the national side with Fakhar, Rumman, Nawaz, Hasan, Shadab, Talat, Asif, Shaheen.


If you plot a graph of the trajectory of our LOI side before and after PSL you will be a spark spike right after 2016 and that is primarily due to the injection of youth on merit rather than the same Azhars, Shafiqs, Akmals etc playing match after match just on the basis of "experience"
 
Without going into the specifics of your calculations, that makes it over 1.5 million USD per match. If all the PSL matches were held in pakistan, it should fetch PCB a sum well in excess of 50 million USD. That makes it an equal of AFL. Pardon me if I choose to stay skeptical.

Aussie population is about the same as Karachi. 50 mil is peanuts compared to what PSL can achieve. 200 million eyeballs are worth a lot more than 25 million
 
Aussie population is about the same as Karachi. 50 mil is peanuts compared to what PSL can achieve. 200 million eyeballs are worth a lot more than 25 million

Fine example of a post where jingoism hijacks the brain.

With one-eighth population of pakistan, australia has an economy 5 times bigger. An average australian has more buying power than a whole mohalla in Karachi. And AFL runs for 8 months, with well over 300 matches compared to PSL's 30 or so.

And yet, according to the poster I quoted, PSL is making a profit comparable to AFL? yeah right.
 
Fine example of a post where jingoism hijacks the brain.

With one-eighth population of pakistan, australia has an economy 5 times bigger. An average australian has more buying power than a whole mohalla in Karachi. And AFL runs for 8 months, with well over 300 matches compared to PSL's 30 or so.

And yet, according to the poster I quoted, PSL is making a profit comparable to AFL? yeah right.

And a fine example of being thoroughly unaware of ground realities. Renting a ground in Australia costs alot more than renting a ground in Pakistan. Power, transportation, food, logistics etc etc are all multiple times cheaper in Pakistan than in Australia. Heck Karachi repeatedly ranks in some of the cheapest cities to live in. You are assuming the cost of holding the match is the same in Aus and Pak and trying to act as an expert with 1% of the knowledge.
 
And a fine example of being thoroughly unaware of ground realities. Renting a ground in Australia costs alot more than renting a ground in Pakistan. Power, transportation, food, logistics etc etc are all multiple times cheaper in Pakistan than in Australia. Heck Karachi repeatedly ranks in some of the cheapest cities to live in. You are assuming the cost of holding the match is the same in Aus and Pak and trying to act as an expert with 1% of the knowledge.

LOL @ ground realities.

An average aussie household spends 120-150 dollars a month on electricity. This is after running multiple ACs and electrical appliances than your average Pakistani household. This makes electricity only marginally more expensive in Australia. Ditto for logistics.

On the other hand, pakistan spends a crippling amount of money on providing security that is simply not the case in Australia. IPL took over AFL only this year after a new broadcast rights deal and according to you PSL is already there. LMAO!
 
Without going into the specifics of your calculations, that makes it over 1.5 million USD per match. If all the PSL matches were held in pakistan, it should fetch PCB a sum well in excess of 50 million USD. That makes it an equal of AFL. Pardon me if I choose to stay skeptical.

You can stay skeptical but mine is a simple calculation

Lahore has 25,000 capacity and Karachi has 35,000.

With an average ticket price of PKR 6,000. (id say average was a bit more) the revenue would come upto PKR 510mn. However one mistake I made was use an exchange rate of USD: PKR of 100 for quick calculation. If we use USD: PKR of 115 then its around USD 4.4mn. Even if you wanna low ball the average ticket price to PKR 4,000 its a USD 3mn figure

However you are being naive and frankly not thinking much if you think it is a simple 'times# of matches" calculation to get a rough total revenue figure. Firstly, the ticket prices would be MUCH lower for league games and the fact that its not 2-3 matches being held. That would drive the revenue down. Also there is no guarantee that all matches would sell out as they by and large did in this case if fans had options to got to 20+ matches. Lower ticket prices and lack of sell outs would have an impact

Finally going by your later posts it doesnt seem that you have a clear understanding of the difference between revenue and profits so I suggest you brush up on that
 
Without going into the specifics of your calculations, that makes it over 1.5 million USD per match. If all the PSL matches were held in pakistan, it should fetch PCB a sum well in excess of 50 million USD. That makes it an equal of AFL. Pardon me if I choose to stay skeptical.
Upon further research your utter lack of understanding of economics and finance is revealed. As I said in an earlier post please learn the difference between revenues and profits.

AFL as far back as 2013 or so was posting revenues of $446mn. How is your figure of USD 50mn (however you came up with it) be remotely comparable to AUD446mn?

I hope you are not into finance or economics as a profession.
 
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You can stay skeptical but mine is a simple calculation

Lahore has 25,000 capacity and Karachi has 35,000.

With an average ticket price of PKR 6,000. (id say average was a bit more) the revenue would come upto PKR 510mn. However one mistake I made was use an exchange rate of USD: PKR of 100 for quick calculation. If we use USD: PKR of 115 then its around USD 4.4mn. Even if you wanna low ball the average ticket price to PKR 4,000 its a USD 3mn figure

However you are being naive and frankly not thinking much if you think it is a simple 'times# of matches" calculation to get a rough total revenue figure. Firstly, the ticket prices would be MUCH lower for league games and the fact that its not 2-3 matches being held. That would drive the revenue down. Also there is no guarantee that all matches would sell out as they by and large did in this case if fans had options to got to 20+ matches. Lower ticket prices and lack of sell outs would have an impact

Finally going by your later posts it doesnt seem that you have a clear understanding of the difference between revenue and profits so I suggest you brush up on that

Now that you have admitted to have pulled out the 5 million figure in your post from you-know-where, could you be so kind to tell me the source of your average ticket price? Here's a tip, you don't arrive at the average price of a ticket by taking a mean of the lowest and highest priced tickets.

And while I am glad that you have mugged up the difference between revenue and profit, it has no bearing here since the word used in your post was "PCB has made...", implying profit alone.
 
Upon further research your utter lack of understanding of economics and finance is revealed. As I said in an earlier post please learn the difference between revenues and profits.

AFL as far back as 2013 or so was posting revenues of $446mn. How is your figure of USD 50mn (however you came up with it) be remotely comparable to AUD446mn?

I hope you are not into finance or economics as a profession.

LMAO. Don't worry about my profession, I manage to earn my roti ;-)

The 60 million USD figure I used was 'profit' the AFL earned last season. To repeat, the phrase used by you in the first post was "PCB made" - that refers not to revenue but profit. I would encourage you to do your little research again just so you sharpen your skills.
 
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And while I am glad that you have mugged up the difference between revenue and profit, it has no bearing here since the word used in your post was "PCB has made...", implying profit alone.

No. The colloquial term 'has made' can easily mean revenues. If you pick out any annual report of a F500 company and read a Director's Report you can easily see the note "Company X made $xx in revenues' or 'Company X made $xx in net profit before taxes' etc etc.

In fact if you had any basic sense you would know 'profits' would include the cost of security. When my post is specifically asking about who is footing the cost of security its easy to tell I havent included costs
 
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The PCB makes close to $10 million in fees per year from the Franchises for the right to use the PSL teams and the Pakistani players. The PCB hosts the PSL from this money and what ever is left is the profit for the PCB. Sethi in an interview mentioned that the PCB receives $10 million per year from the ICC and the PSL is giving the PCB an additional $5 million per year already. If most of the PSL comes home to Pakistan this figure will go up.
 
No. The colloquial term 'has made' can easily mean revenues. If you pick out any annual report of a F500 company and read a Director's Report you can easily see the note "Company X made $xx in revenues' or 'Company X made $xx in net profit before taxes' etc etc.

In fact if you had any basic sense you would know 'profits' would include the cost of security. When my post is specifically asking about who is footing the cost of security its easy to tell I havent included costs

That's a pretty amateur attempt at wriggling your way out of the hole. Go on, show me a few examples of reports from financial papers where they use "company X made Y amount in the last quarter/year/whatever" and meant it to be revenue, and not profit.

Also, don't forget to source the average ticket price of PSL games being 6000 which I fear you pulled out of your backside.
 
Also, don't forget to source the average ticket price of PSL games being 6000 which I fear you pulled out of your backside.

The PKR 6000 or PKR 4,000 (low ball) is based on an assumption because that is what you do in finance or consulting when you don't have official figures. Considering Im doing this a day after the final, your should be able to fugure out that its a calculation.

And while I dont need to go through the calculations it is extremely fun to make you look stupid again and again so I'll do the honors. National Stadium Karachi has 16 stands. 5 were for PKR 1,000, 3 for PKR 4,000, 5 for PKR 8,000 and 3 for PKR 12,000. If you do a weighted average price (I hope you know that concept) the average ticket price is around PKR 5,800

Enough fun for the day though! You can open up 5-6 annual reports and read up on chairman's message or director's reports... And more than that you should have enough common sense to figure out a few things yourself and have no need to be spoon-fed. Good luck!
 
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This was a lot of fun have to admit! Good luck doing your homework [MENTION=143730]AMSS[/MENTION]!
 
The PKR 6000 or PKR 4,000 (low ball) is based on an assumption because that is what you do in finance or consulting when you don't have official figures. Considering Im doing this a day after the final, your should be able to fugure out that its a calculation.

And while I dont need to go through the calculations it is extremely fun to make you look stupid again and again so I'll do the honors. National Stadium Karachi has 16 stands. 5 were for PKR 1,000, 3 for PKR 4,000, 5 for PKR 8,000 and 3 for PKR 12,000. If you do a weighted average price (I hope you know that concept) the average ticket price is around PKR 5,800

Enough fun for the day though! You can open up 5-6 annual reports and read up on chairman's message or director's reports... And more than that you should have enough common sense to figure out a few things yourself and have no need to be spoon-fed. Good luck!

Given your propensity to bull, I have no reason to believe the breakdown of stands as you state, but I'd accept it still.

But your weighted average calculations had me busting my gut. From laughter. I mean *how* does one even take a weighted average given that different stands have different capacities? A stadium can have have a total capacity of 100k with 4 stands with 2 of those stands accommodating 80k spectators. What if the highest priced stands at Karachi hold only one or two thousand spectators? How does your genius weighted average work then?

Looks like your research skills didn't help you with revenue/profit hole you dug yourself in either.

Love the hysterically preachy tone you have for someone so clueless about maths, english, economics, and general argumentation in general. Take care ;-)
 
Given your propensity to bull, I have no reason to believe the breakdown of stands as you state, but I'd accept it still.

But your weighted average calculations had me busting my gut. From laughter. I mean *how* does one even take a weighted average given that different stands have different capacities? A stadium can have have a total capacity of 100k with 4 stands with 2 of those stands accommodating 80k spectators. What if the highest priced stands at Karachi hold only one or two thousand spectators? How does your genius weighted average work then?

Looks like your research skills didn't help you with revenue/profit hole you dug yourself in either.

Love the hysterically preachy tone you have for someone so clueless about maths, english, economics, and general argumentation in general. Take care ;-)

the stands in National stadium (for this match) averaged from 2000 to 2400 people per stand. (previously there were more enclosures before renovation)

Learn to do some research. I have taken the # of spectators into account.

As I said I am not here to spoon-feed you. But its been fun! Take care as well :)
 
the stands in National stadium (for this match) averaged from 2000 to 2400 people per stand. (previously there were more enclosures before renovation)

Learn to do some research. I have taken the # of spectators into account.

As I said I am not here to spoon-feed you. But its been fun! Take care as well :)

For someone who loves his research so much, you sure take special care never to provide a *single* source, whether it is economics/finance or special maths deployed to calculate average ticket price.
 
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[MENTION=143730]AMSS[/MENTION] - As for your dumb 'made' excuse have a look at this headline from Business Insider:

http://www.businessinsider.com/coin...e-than-1-billion-in-revenues-last-year-2018-1
If Business Insider is using the phrase I am sure a post on PP should be fine with it as well.

So the fun continues :))

But I promise this was the last time in this thread I will make you look clueless :)

You have only made yourself look clueless. Do I have to quote your first post again to show you exactly what you said? It wasn't "PCB made xyz in revenue".

Now that I see you have been furiously googling to save your blushes, I look forward to having you show me ANY financial paper or company reports you so love to read show that "Company ABC made XYZ amount in last quarter" means gross revenue and not profit.

Try again ;-)
 
For someone who loves his research so much, you sure take special care never to provide a *single* source, whether it is economics/finance or special maths deployed to calculate average ticket price.

Why dont you come up with 'sources' stating otherwise. So you want even more spoonfeeding lol?

If you want to know about # of stands in Karachi refer to following link: http://pakistansuperleague.com.pk/pakistan-super-league-psl-tickets/
Karachi National Stadium tickets price: The PSL final at will be played at the National Stadium in Karachi on March 25 and can be purchased online on Yayvo or at select TCS Express Centers. PSL 3 final ticket prices for the range from Rs. 1,000 to Rs. 12,000 and they will be sold on a first-come-first-serve basis. Ticket price information can be found below;

General Enclosure: Rs. 1,000 for Intikhab Alam, Nasimul Ghani, Iqbal Qasim, Mohd. Brothers, Wasim Bari Stands

First Class: Rs. 4,000 for Majid Khan, Waqar Hasan, Asif Iqbal Stands

Premium: Rs. 8,000 for Zaheer Abbas, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Quaid, Special Children Stands

VIP: Rs. 12,000 for Fazal Mahmood, Javed Miandad, Hanif Mohammad Stands

Research or debating isnt your forte, but I hope you can count to 16 here.
 
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Now that I bothered to look up, here's what the first link says - https://nation.com.pk/24-Mar-2018/national-stadium-all-set-to-host-mega-psl-final

The contractors have constructed 30 VIP make-shift stands, with each stand can host 15 to 20 people easily, while 26 enclosures were also completed while Nasimul Ghani and Iqbal Qasim stands also turned into VIP ones, where spectators could sit after buying Rs 12,000 tickets, while 26 washrooms were also constructed, which are divided into 4 or 5 portions, with each portion having one washroom each for males and females.

30 VIP stands with a capacity of 20 each. That's 600 hundred in a standium of 30k capacity.

My interest in [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] 's rogue maths is at peak but he won't share the secret sauce recipe

;-)
 
Now that I bothered to look up, here's what the first link says - https://nation.com.pk/24-Mar-2018/national-stadium-all-set-to-host-mega-psl-final



30 VIP stands with a capacity of 20 each. That's 600 hundred in a standium of 30k capacity.

My interest in [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] 's rogue maths is at peak but he won't share the secret sauce recipe

;-)

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There are 16 stands which general public could buy tickets for. And are only ones I used in our discussion.

These make-shift stands didnt even have tickets available to buy. They aren't technically stands per se either. These were likely for main sponsors or PCB high ups and Rangers senior staff sitting in the cordoned off area. Not sure if they have to pay even but if they do it only drives up the price.

Just because 'The Nation' calls them stands doesnt make them so. For the PKR 12,000 VIP stands you or I could buy tickets if we paid the price. These 30 or so 'stands' were not for general public. You can call them the 'VIP box' or sth because that is the concept but NSK doesnt have these so this was for makeshift arrangement

Next time when you do research. Be thorough
 
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There are 16 stands which general public could buy tickets for. And are only ones I used in our discussion.

These make-shift stands didnt even have tickets available to buy. They aren't technically stands per se either. These were likely for main sponsors or PCB high ups and Rangers senior staff sitting in the cordoned off area. Not sure if they have to pay even but if they do it only drives up the price.

Just because 'The Nation' calls them stands doesnt make them so. For the PKR 12,000 VIP stands you or I could buy tickets if we paid the price. These 30 or so 'stands' were not for general public. You can call them the 'VIP box' or sth because that is the concept but NSK doesnt have these so this was for makeshift arrangement

Next time when you do research. Be thorough

LMAO, that's a sanguine rant for someone whose LIE has been busted. Pretty clear that VIP stands bearing 12000 ticket price were only for 600 or so people. Apparently the total seating capacity was brought down to 27k from the previous 34k arrangement. Out of that 27K, 15K seats were available for 1000 bucks. Now if i liberally assume that the rest of the seats were sold for 4000 bucks, the average ticket price comes to 2600, far away from your figure of 6000 arrived via secret sauce maths. LMAO!

Time for you to mug up some more on finance terms and 7th standard maths!
 
Well theres that:

Pakistanis have spent over Rs140 million on PSL final tickets. ... It will be a full house at National Stadium as Peshawar Zalmi and Islamabad United clash today. ... Over 15,000 seats are there in the Waseem Bari, Muhammad Brothers, Iqbal Qasim, Naseemul Ghani and Intikhab Alam enclosures
https://www.samaa.tv/economy/2018/03/know-much-spent-psl-tickets/

I'd be honest and say SAMAA isnt the best source in the world but when you are using 'The Nation' (lmao) as your source then good luck!
 
PKR 140mn (USD 1.2mn) spent on PSL Final tickets : SAMAA News

https://www.samaa.tv/economy/2018/03/know-much-spent-psl-tickets/
The much-awaited PSL 2018 matches will be played in Dubai and Sharjah while, (surprise, surprise!) the semi-finals and the finals will be played in Lahore and Karachi respectively. ... Cricket junkies are more excited than ever because this year, they can watch live Semi-finals and .....
 
Even if PCB made 4.5$, through ticket sales, didn’t they have to spend any money at all apart from security? Power, people who work in the stadium, etc sorry, which ever way you see it, no way PCB made 5 mil USD out of those 3 games. Anyway if you feel that would help you sleep, then I have no issues.
 
LMAO, that's a sanguine rant for someone whose LIE has been busted. Pretty clear that VIP stands bearing 12000 ticket price were only for 600 or so pe if i liberally assume that the rople. Apparently the total seating capacity was brought down to 27k from the previous 34k arrangement. Out of that 27K, 15K seats were available for 1000 bucks. Nowest of the seats were sold for 4000 bucks, the average ticket price comes to 2600, far away from your figure of 6000 arrived via secret sauce maths. LMAO!

Time for you to mug up some more on finance terms and 7th standard maths!

He isn't lying,the 'VIP' tickets available for the general population were for 12000 as shown on the website when the tickets were being sold around 3000-3500 people were seated in those stands.The seating for the actual VIPs and VVIPs were different and many got free entry.People like the big sponsors,Bilawal Bhutto,Murad Ali Shah,DG ISPR and Shahid Afridi of course got free entry.Those were the real VIP stands for a couple of hundred people.

Also why would you liberally assume that the rest of the tickets were sold for 4000 each when the rest of the categories had tickets priced at 4k,8k and 12k?

Also capacity was around 33k.Only one stand was unavailable and it was one of the smaller stands,seating around 800-1000 people.The rest of the stadium was jam packed.

Also
 
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So PCB made 5mn usd from ticket sales alone for 3 matches in PSL?

5mn usd is about 32cr INR.

Any idea how much was IPLs total ticket sales in 2016 or how much ticketing revenue the highest ticket selling IPL team got in 2016?
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

So PCB made 5mn usd from ticket sales alone for 3 matches in PSL?

5mn usd is about 32cr INR.

Any idea how much was IPLs total ticket sales in 2016 or how much ticketing revenue the highest ticket selling IPL team got in 2016?

Since last year or so, IPL has even come up with IPL Carnivals - where they set up a projector and big-screen in smaller cities that don't have IPL teams or stadiums. They set up entertainment, snacks and refreshment along with the IPL broadcast, calling it "IPL Mela". This is directed at the lower income segment of the population and the tickets are probably in the low hundred rupee range.

PSL should copy this idea and do this for the games that are hosted outside Pakistan. This way they could generate some revenue, fans get to participate in a group watching experience, and the broadcasts could be spiced up with more "crowd" shots.

There's plenty that the PCB could be learning from the BCCI about management and making money. That is, if it has time from its strategery sessions and legal meetings about MOUs etc.:yk2
 
If only the world ran on non-financial proof, then I would have already declared myself a billionaire.

I think it is totally fair to question the validity of PSL finances. Let's take at face value the reported $3 million profit during PSL 1. These are the only concrete numbers we have. The question then arises as to why the PCB never released the financial report for PSL 2. Given their penchant for quick celebrations, the report would have been out ASAP if they had earned more than the first year.

There is a lot to be concerned about. What other T20 league doesn't have an exclusive rights deal? Is the sponsorship money that negligible? You can tout stadium ticket sales but leagues are built on broadcasting rights and sponsorship, not number of tickets sold.
 
Even if PCB made 4.5$, through ticket sales, didn’t they have to spend any money at all apart from security? Power, people who work in the stadium, etc sorry, which ever way you see it, no way PCB made 5 mil USD out of those 3 games. Anyway if you feel that would help you sleep, then I have no issues.

who is saying USD 4.5mn is in profits? Its very clear its just ticket sales revenue

read my very first post. I said that if security costs were not being paid by PCB then PSL must have made a huge profit as Im sure they form a large chunk of the costs
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

So PCB made 5mn usd from ticket sales alone for 3 matches in PSL?

5mn usd is about 32cr INR.

Any idea how much was IPLs total ticket sales in 2016 or how much ticketing revenue the highest ticket selling IPL team got in 2016?

As i said. USD 5mn is likely on the high end and USD 3mn is a low end estimate.

As per Samaa, the ticket sales for final were around PKR 140mn (USD 1mn+) so its safe to say that my estimates are in the ball-park
 
Numbers and stats don't define Pakistan Cricket. PSL is here to stay and Indians better learn to live with it. Soon Big Bash will be a distant 3rd behind IPL and PSL.
 
who is saying USD 4.5mn is in profits? Its very clear its just ticket sales revenue

read my very first post. I said that if security costs were not being paid by PCB then PSL must have made a huge profit as Im sure they form a large chunk of the costs
I didn’t use the term profit, I used the same term that you used and argued with AMSS. Anyway I was mainly talking about expenses other than security related, things like 100s of officials, ticket collectors working on those days, power, and other expenses.

Good you came down slowly from 1.5m per game to 1 m for all t
 
As i said. USD 5mn is likely on the high end and USD 3mn is a low end estimate.

As per Samaa, the ticket sales for final were around PKR 140mn (USD 1mn+) so its safe to say that my estimates are in the ball-park

Karachi has a capacity of 36k and Lahore 25k. So the ticket sales revenue will be far lesser in Lahore.

Anyways, so u r estimating that psl makes 1mn usd per match by ticket sales alone?

So it would make around $ 30mn in ticket sales alone if matches were to be played in Pakistan?
 
Karachi has a capacity of 36k and Lahore 25k. So the ticket sales revenue will be far lesser in Lahore.

Anyways, so u r estimating that psl makes 1mn usd per match by ticket sales alone?

So it would make around $ 30mn in ticket sales alone if matches were to be played in Pakistan?

Probably offset by operating costs. But think how much higher those operating costs are in UAE. Every game that's shifted from UAE to Pakistan would probably save half a million dollars for the PCB, that's a ballpark estimate, but reasonable one IMO. Of course, not counting the security costs.
 
Probably offset by operating costs. But think how much higher those operating costs are in UAE. Every game that's shifted from UAE to Pakistan would probably save half a million dollars for the PCB, that's a ballpark estimate, but reasonable one IMO. Of course, not counting the security costs.

$1mn ticket sales per match is difficult.
 
$1mn ticket sales per match is difficult.

Sure. But think of the savings in operating costs. Hotel rooms for players, umpires, coaches etc in Dubai vs in Karachi. Stadium and facilities rentals etc.

I just hope nothing bad happens to any cricketer playing in Pakistan - local or foreign. If something happens, that would mean that cricket won't come back to Pak for decades.
 
Sure. But think of the savings in operating costs. Hotel rooms for players, umpires, coaches etc in Dubai vs in Karachi. Stadium and facilities rentals etc.

I just hope nothing bad happens to any cricketer playing in Pakistan - local or foreign. If something happens, that would mean that cricket won't come back to Pak for decades.

The security was great. The only thing is doing it regularly over weeks.
 
Karachi has a capacity of 36k and Lahore 25k. So the ticket sales revenue will be far lesser in Lahore.

Anyways, so u r estimating that psl makes 1mn usd per match by ticket sales alone?

So it would make around $ 30mn in ticket sales alone if matches were to be played in Pakistan?
No.
1. 30 matches or so would mean majority WON'T be sold out. Right now since its 3 matches and a novelty all 3 were sell outs or near-sell outs
2. PCB will not be able to charge such exorbitant rates for PSL matches if more than 2,3 are held in Pak

For eg. in the 2006 Pak-India match the most expensive ticket was around PKR 3,000. This time it was PKR 12,000. Eventhough yes there has been inflation and all there's no chance the ticket price for a PSL match would be PKR 12,000 if regular international cricket was played
 
FYI Sethi in a recent interview mentioned that Ticket sales, gate receipts don't even account for 5% of the revenues cricket board makes but having full houses and a highly energetic crowd is pleasing to the eyes and helps in creating national confidence. The major chunk of revenues are from the sponsors, broadcasters e.t.c.
 
In India i can sit in the same stand as SRK if i am ready to pay 24k for a corporate box ticket. Why is it shocking to you?

its not happening in Pakistan unless I am a big politician, national celebrity or a main sponsor. I was there at the match.... Besides this 12k one wasnt where these guys sat. My friend went to this one and its regular folk. It was just the stands next to pavillions
 
Probably offset by operating costs. But think how much higher those operating costs are in UAE. Every game that's shifted from UAE to Pakistan would probably save half a million dollars for the PCB, that's a ballpark estimate, but reasonable one IMO. Of course, not counting the security costs.

Im not sure honestly

The security cost in Pak is insanely high im assuming. Which is why in first post of mine I asked who is footing the security bill..
 
FYI Sethi in a recent interview mentioned that Ticket sales, gate receipts don't even account for 5% of the revenues cricket board makes but having full houses and a highly energetic crowd is pleasing to the eyes and helps in creating national confidence. The major chunk of revenues are from the sponsors, broadcasters e.t.c.

Sethi says a lot of contradictory stuff (also Im sure the UAE matches ticket sales isnt high as this)
 
Sethi says a lot of contradictory stuff (also Im sure the UAE matches ticket sales isnt high as this)

This is true. He has done a good job in getting the PSL going, but Sethi and PCB have no credibility when it comes to the PCB's finances. They release all kinds of fake numbers all the time.
 
The same seats that went for 12k in the PSL final are being sold for 5k for the WI T20's.

I got a seat worth 4k and it's being sold for 1k...
 
The same seats that went for 12k in the PSL final are being sold for 5k for the WI T20's.

I got a seat worth 4k and it's being sold for 1k...

tickets are out for sale

dont think ill go tbh
 
I won't go either but it's because of mock exams.

Security line was Pain for me (it took me 3.5 hours to be in the stands from the time I left my house)

Also I doubt any of the big Windies names will be coming. Btw 3 matches on consecutive days makes no sense. I have t20 bilaterals to begin with and this makes it worse
 
Security line was Pain for me (it took me 3.5 hours to be in the stands from the time I left my house)

Also I doubt any of the big Windies names will be coming. Btw 3 matches on consecutive days makes no sense. I have t20 bilaterals to begin with and this makes it worse

They were supposed to be on 1st,2nd and 4th April but apparently because Bhutto zinda nahi hai they shifted it a date earlier.

You're right about the big names part.IPL starts in a week.
 
No.
1. 30 matches or so would mean majority WON'T be sold out. Right now since its 3 matches and a novelty all 3 were sell outs or near-sell outs
2. PCB will not be able to charge such exorbitant rates for PSL matches if more than 2,3 are held in Pak

For eg. in the 2006 Pak-India match the most expensive ticket was around PKR 3,000. This time it was PKR 12,000. Eventhough yes there has been inflation and all there's no chance the ticket price for a PSL match would be PKR 12,000 if regular international cricket was played

What would you think will be a reasonable ticket sale figure next year when half of the psl will be in Pakistan?

Also the security, is it possible to repeat this over couple of weeks?
 
What would you think will be a reasonable ticket sale figure next year when half of the psl will be in Pakistan?

Also the security, is it possible to repeat this over couple of weeks?

1. At max 2/3rds if not half. Prolly the knockouts and final and have higher prices I guess by no way people are paying this much if there's a number of matches to go to

What I think PCB should ideally do is have each team play atleast 1 league match in Pak and then qualifiers/knockouts can fully be in Pak. And have those Pak based league matches in home Stadiums. Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad (in Pindi - they are virtually one city), Multan play in their own cities.

So there will be increase in venues to 4 from 2 and increase in Pak matches to 7/8 from 3. Need to take it gradually

2. No way. Whole of Karachi was shot down more or less. It was weekend so somewhat fine. Cannot happen in a week day and cannot happen on more than one occasion at a time..
 
1. At max 2/3rds if not half. Prolly the knockouts and final and have higher prices I guess by no way people are paying this much if there's a number of matches to go to

What I think PCB should ideally do is have each team play atleast 1 league match in Pak and then qualifiers/knockouts can fully be in Pak. And have those Pak based league matches in home Stadiums. Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad (in Pindi - they are virtually one city), Multan play in their own cities.

So there will be increase in venues to 4 from 2 and increase in Pak matches to 7/8 from 3. Need to take it gradually

2. No way. Whole of Karachi was shot down more or less. It was weekend so somewhat fine. Cannot happen in a week day and cannot happen on more than one occasion at a time..

1. Anything above 300k usd per match will be extremely unlikely. I have gone through figures of ipl for 2016 and believe psl may not touch those figures.

2. How do you think long term security measures will work? If what they are doing now isnt feasible.
 
I don't even need to see any audits, financials to guage how successful the PSL has been for Pakistan Cricket in the long run and for the PCB financially

After the PSL the PCB has done the following

- Hired Mickey Arthur and a few other Foreign Coaches, trainers for the National team

- Rebuilt the Academy in Karachi

- Rebuilt the Academy in Lahore

- Rebuilt Qadhaffi stadium in Lahore

- Rebuilt National Stadium in Karachi and will pursue further work on the National Stadium in Karachi

- Rebuilt the Academy in Multan

- Have plans to launch academies in other areas of Pakistan

- Have plans to rebuilt the Stadiums in Hyderabad, Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Multan

- Are pursuing a costly but a just and well justified compensation claim against the BCCI

All these things are not cheap, they cost money and the PCB was unable to do anything about it from 2009 to 2015 but since the PSL came into existence these above projects have been undertaken ambitiously

This logic has flaws.

It's like .... I married a pretty girl and hence, after 5 years, i am building a big flat.

It doesn't make sense. It could be due to for the fact that, i may get raise salary in those 5 years or i may hold better credit due to which it became easier.

This isn't something that A leads to B. There could be several reason for that and A may not be relevant at all.
 
1. Anything above 300k usd per match will be extremely unlikely. I have gone through figures of ipl for 2016 and believe psl may not touch those figures.

2. How do you think long term security measures will work? If what they are doing now isnt feasible.


Ticket prices for West Indies series were released today. And they are exactly half as that of PSL final as far as I've been told.
 
This logic has flaws.

It's like .... I married a pretty girl and hence, after 5 years, i am building a big flat.

It doesn't make sense. It could be due to for the fact that, i may get raise salary in those 5 years or i may hold better credit due to which it became easier.

This isn't something that A leads to B. There could be several reason for that and A may not be relevant at all.



You don't know the poster and his hyperbole?

Lol he's acting as if we didn't have Whatnore or other foreign coaches before?

Work had started on Karachi academy way before PSL too
 
You don't know the poster and his hyperbole?

Lol he's acting as if we didn't have Whatnore or other foreign coaches before?

Work had started on Karachi academy way before PSL too

Work on the Karachi Academy and other academies in Pakistan were suspended along with A team tours, U-19 team tours outside Pakistan. Muddassar Nazar was roped in as Director of Academies in 2016 and the work on the academies were revived.
 
Ticket prices for West Indies series were released today. And they are exactly half as that of PSL final as far as I've been told.

Hmmmm. So long term 300k usd per match is fair valuation?

Btw as a karachi resident how will you be affected by the WI team security if its same like PSL?
 
Saw a recent interview of Sethi, he claims that the current brand value of the PSL right now is $500 million plus and you can only imagine how this will grow when the PSL comes to Pakistan, when more foreign players come and when more teams are added and when more sponsors are bought into the mix.

He also mentioned his plans to making the PSL a public listed company so that the nation of Pakistan could invest in the PSL and so that the PCB can have a really powerful independent revenue stream enabling it to inject massive funds into Pakistan Cricket.
 
Saw a recent interview of Sethi, he claims that the current brand value of the PSL right now is $500 million plus and you can only imagine how this will grow when the PSL comes to Pakistan, when more foreign players come and when more teams are added and when more sponsors are bought into the mix.

He also mentioned his plans to making the PSL a public listed company so that the nation of Pakistan could invest in the PSL and so that the PCB can have a really powerful independent revenue stream enabling it to inject massive funds into Pakistan Cricket.

Sethi claims a lot of things, doesn't mean they're true
 
Saw a recent interview of Sethi, he claims that the current brand value of the PSL right now is $500 million plus and you can only imagine how this will grow when the PSL comes to Pakistan, when more foreign players come and when more teams are added and when more sponsors are bought into the mix.

He also mentioned his plans to making the PSL a public listed company so that the nation of Pakistan could invest in the PSL and so that the PCB can have a really powerful independent revenue stream enabling it to inject massive funds into Pakistan Cricket.

Did he not claim sometime earlier that it was worth $1 Billion. I think it was even discussed in one of the threads on this forum. He seems to be claiming different things with different $$ figures.
 
I think, still PSL's main source of money has to be broadcasting rights and endorsements including on-line rights. More or less, sports (any type) has 3 buckets (of money stream), and I can give the examples from LFC, for their June to May 2016-17 financials.

- Gate money, which is big in 1st world countries - average retail ticket price for a Liverpool home EPL game is around US $75. Anfield has a capacity of 54K+, and average home game occupancy is about 96% ~ 52.5K. However, fans can get significant discounts on season tickets, and LFC has a 7 year pending list for season ticket (over 60% tickets are not given to season ticket). Last I can recall, for 19 EPL games, about 7/8 domestic cup (2) ties and similar number of Europa/CL games, and few exhibition games, Liverpool's ticket sale was around 74mn BP, or about $105mn. That makes an average seat price around $58 ( $105,000,000 / 52,500 X 35 = ~ $58). I don't think, any 3rd world market can manage that level of unit price (for ticket), not even close to it. May be some seats for some special games.

- Media money (Broadcast deals & Guarantee money)
- Endorsements and sponsorship, including stadium branding, naming rights and shirts, Souvenir sales (shirt, kits, logo etc.), partnerships (like Airline, restaurants, shopping chains) .

For Liverpool, for that financial period, gross revenue was 364mn BP (~$512mn US). Contribution from 4 buckets were
- Gate : 20% (74mn)
- Broadcasting rights, Prize & guarantee money from EPL, domestic cups, Europa : 42% (154mn)
- Endorsements & sponsorship : 37% (136mn)

On top of that, LFC earned transfer profits, but they offset that from players wage cost (or some accounting methods, not sure), therefore it doesn't touch the Gross revenue, neither the bank interest for their deposits. That 364mn is purely from football on field and 1st team brand assets.
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For PSL, if it's arranged entirely in PAK, I think that gate money share should increase - at what %, we can calculate later. One thing I have seen in any such mass operation business (stadium, cinema hall, airlines, concert shows....), the critical factor is % of occupancy - the price elasticity has to be in a way that, organizers have to find the highest unit price for max occupancy - the average ticket price that brings highest number of paid fans. In general, stadiums are best operated at a ticket price which brings 96%-98% paid crowd. (simple maths - if the capacity is 50K, 60% at $35/average ticket brings $1.05mn; 80% at $30 brings $1.2mn, but 99% at $20 brings less than $1mn, with added hassle and 30% at $60 earns 0.9mn - this is one reason why St. James Park is almost always full, Ittehad, failed to sell out MCity -Liverpool CL quarter final - may be Mansoor doesn't need to find the best pricing crossover point ...)

If I consider 30 PSL Games in 5 stadiums (K, L, M, R & F) with every city hosting 6 games; I think best way to sell cricket is what they do in BPL - 2 games in a day for 1 ticket. For PAK's context, it's even more applicable because of net margin - less match day means lesser cost on security and VIP transportation.

In that case, total match day comes at 19 (15 + last 4 day). Match day can be increased, but that's counter productive at least for first few years, because of reduction of ticket price (for single game), and increase of over head (operating expenses).

As far I know, capacity of NSK is 35K; GSL 25K, Multan 35K, Rawalpindi 25K and F'bad 20K. Increasing seat is an option, but that has 2 negatives - massive initial investment & reduction of high priced corporate box/seats. I am calculating at current capacity.

Total available seat (6 games each and 3 match days each) is 3 X (2 X 35K + 2 X 25K + 20K) = 420K
At 95% paid occupancy; this comes around 400K paid crowd.

Now, no way once PSL comes to PAK, for a month's houseful sell out, it can operate at the stated price level above, even for 2 games. Besides, considering mean income level of each City, there has to be separate city based pricing, which should pull down the average price once Multan, Faisalabad & R'Pindi joins the big 2. Same example I can give from EPL again - Arsenal's home ticket is the most expensive in football world - because, Emeritus is based in the richest city in world and also in London's richer northern part.

Considering the BPL ticket price in a very similar economy (but BPL's most games are hosted in Dhaka, here I am considering PSL equally distributed), I think, average maximum ticket price we can take is $7.5 = PRK 1000. In BPL, they charge daily ticket (for 2 games) at average BDT 700 in Dhaka and about 500 in other cities. Latest conversion I see between BDT : PRK is 1:1.4; that's equivalent between BDT 700 vs PRK 1000. But, I am giving PSL some mark up - applying the equivalent price of Dhaka on over all PSL, not considering price drop in other 3 Cities.

That, makes a Gate money for preliminary 30 games around $7.5 X 400,000 = $3mn. A 20-25% price increase can take it to $3.5mn to $3.8mn, but I don't think further increase (at 25% mark-up, average price reaches PRK 1,250/day), can keep that occupancy at 95%+ level, which is a bigger risk.

4 Eliminator games are different equation - at 99% occupancy of 30K (average of Lahore & Karachi - 2 games each), at $25 average price (PRK 3500), it can bring $25 X 30,000 X 4 X 99% ~$3mn. I take 15-20% mark up (that's $32/ticket at max, PRK 4500/ticket), totals around $3.5mn, though using this years index might be extremely risky - those eliminators will be after 30 games in PAK, still I give it.

Considering that average price and % occupancy - minimum of $6mn and maximum of $7mn from gate - we can take a safer figure in between : $6.5mn.

Even if I take, gate money as low as 25% of PSL's gross income potential (extremely unlikely - after all their global branding, MU's gate money is 29% of gross revenue - as their ticket price is higher and almost every home game is sold out at 79K Old Traford, and they have been playing at least 5 CL home Games every season, often close to 10 Europe games, which earns over 3.5mn BP, every night), PSL's highest revenue potential in next 3-5 years is maximum US $23-25mn/annually. Converting to PRK, it comes at 350 crore/year - which is indeed great money.

Gross revenue (sales proceed) vs total equity is an important index, which is used to measure the efficiency and sometimes possible asset value in case of a buy out. It varies from industry to industry, and with the age of a performing business (because with age a performing business increases value from non-tangible assets like brand, human resources, R&D, technical expertise..) - some of the best companies had following ratios in recent times : Walmart ~240% (their gross sales volume is $500bn, compared to total asset of $225bn); Apple ~60%, Toyota ~60%, Samsung ~80%, Volkswagen ~55%, RD Shell ~75%, AT&T ~35%, BP ~85%, GM ~75%, Berkshire Hethway ~29%, Amazon ~135%, Microsoft ~38% .....

Recently I hear, Nazam Sethi has mentioned PSL already reaching 1 billion in terms of net worth (asset value - means, if anyone is to buy out it, PCB can bargain for 1 billion), or may be 500mn, which is still a "decent" money (Here I consider Ben Farnklin wala billion/million). At, $25mn, gross revenue potential, for an equity worth of $500mn, I must have to say, it's operating really poor for a ratio of 5% between Gross Revenue Vs Total Asset. Nazam Sethi must have some out of box plans in his sleeves in near future to take it to semi decent level, that's $100mn/year - I'll be in touch of PP to learn that.
 
When PSL comes to Pak the revenue will be huge. Just been watching a tv show and Ramiz Raja was saying total ticket sales for UAE games was €1.1 million and the ticket sales for Karachi alone were €2.4 million. The 2 lahore games revenue was €1.1 million. He thinks merchandising needs alot of work but will pick up once PSL shifts to PAK. He is also suggesting to change from draft system to auction.
 
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