Now I can understand the pain of Indian cricket fans after losing in a knockout

[DRsohail]

We did not reach semifinals in 2019 world cup and believe me I was not unhappy at all but I have been so much down by the recent defeat against Australia that I couldn't watch the finals.
India have been losing every knockout game execept semifinals in 2015 T20 WC and CT 2017. Oh that's so painful.To all Indian fans, here how did you cope with this.

 

[Rana]

Indian fans must feel more frustration than pain

Imagine your team is billed to be as great as the Australian team of early 2010 or the great West Indies team of the 80s, yet you keep choking when it matters in the knockout stage.

Pakistan are usually written off as dark horses in nearly every tournament, never the favourites.

 

[Sarwar89]

Indian fans must feel more frustration than pain

Imagine your team is billed to be as great as the Australian team of early 2010 or the great West Indies team of the 80s, yet you keep choking when it matters in the knockout stage.

Pakistan are usually written off as dark horses in nearly every tournament, never the favourites.

This is the beauty of sport. You have to feel the pain to enjoy taste of victory. Victory is rare but defeats are more common in general. Luckily there is another T20 World cup in 11 months time.

Football does not give you that privelege. Italian National Football team was filled with absolute greats of the game, but lost in 1988 Euro Final, painfully lost on Penalties in Italia 90 world cup semi final, unluckily lost USA 94 World cup final on penalties, lost 1998 world cup quarter final on Penalties, lost Euro 2000 final in extra time golden goal, lost 2002 2nd round knock out to Korea in extra time. So much as entire Italian Generation from 1986-2004 (18 years) retired without winning a trophy.

But then Italians won 2006 world cup + Euro 2021. Regained respect again and now strangely again struggling to Qualify for 2022 World cup as they missed 2018 World cup too.

In short, Sport is something which will keep giving you eb and flows. Imagine if Sarfaraz was caught by Sri lankans in 2017 ICC Champions trophy Group stage match. He was dropped twice. Or If West indies had beaten Australia in 1992. Or South Africans had chased 150 in 2009 semi final.

Luck is both ways. We are still better than South Africa or New zealand who generally lose a lot more in big games.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

You haven't lost money, needless to be sad

 

[DRsohail]

You haven't lost money, needless to be sad

I wish I lost a few but we won.

 

[DRsohail]

This is the beauty of sport. You have to feel the pain to enjoy taste of victory. Victory is rare but defeats are more common in general. Luckily there is another T20 World cup in 11 months time.

Football does not give you that privelege. Italian National Football team was filled with absolute greats of the game, but lost in 1988 Euro Final, painfully lost on Penalties in Italia 90 world cup semi final, unluckily lost USA 94 World cup final on penalties, lost 1998 world cup quarter final on Penalties, lost Euro 2000 final in extra time golden goal, lost 2002 2nd round knock out to Korea in extra time. So much as entire Italian Generation from 1986-2004 (18 years) retired without winning a trophy.

But then Italians won 2006 world cup + Euro 2021. Regained respect again and now strangely again struggling to Qualify for 2022 World cup as they missed 2018 World cup too.

In short, Sport is something which will keep giving you eb and flows. Imagine if Sarfaraz was caught by Sri lankans in 2017 ICC Champions trophy Group stage match. He was dropped twice. Or If West indies had beaten Australia in 1992. Or South Africans had chased 150 in 2009 semi final.

Luck is both ways. We are still better than South Africa or New zealand who generally lose a lot more in big games.

Great insights, as they say there is always second day in sports to prove yourself and I fe it is even more often Iin cricket.

 

[Babeikh]

This is the beauty of sport. You have to feel the pain to enjoy taste of victory. Victory is rare but defeats are more common in general. Luckily there is another T20 World cup in 11 months time.

Football does not give you that privelege. Italian National Football team was filled with absolute greats of the game, but lost in 1988 Euro Final, painfully lost on Penalties in Italia 90 world cup semi final, unluckily lost USA 94 World cup final on penalties, lost 1998 world cup quarter final on Penalties, lost Euro 2000 final in extra time golden goal, lost 2002 2nd round knock out to Korea in extra time. So much as entire Italian Generation from 1986-2004 (18 years) retired without winning a trophy.

But then Italians won 2006 world cup + Euro 2021. Regained respect again and now strangely again struggling to Qualify for 2022 World cup as they missed 2018 World cup too.

In short, Sport is something which will keep giving you eb and flows. Imagine if Sarfaraz was caught by Sri lankans in 2017 ICC Champions trophy Group stage match. He was dropped twice. Or If West indies had beaten Australia in 1992. Or South Africans had chased 150 in 2009 semi final.

Luck is both ways. We are still better than South Africa or New zealand who generally lose a lot more in big games.

Love this post.

The truth is, I have felt so flat for the last few days. I couldn't even bring myself to watch the final.

But yes, this is what being into a sport is all about and that is what makes sport so important - it matters so much because ultimately, it doesn't really matter!

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

The fact that India have been making knockouts of every tournament, sometimes finals, including T20s, ODis and Tests, says a lot about their pedigree.

Team of a high pedigree - West Indies team of 80s - never won the world cup and never won in Pakistan either.

Pakistan would love to be in those positions consistently. Let's see what Babar brings to the table.

 

[happydavy]

We did not reach semifinals in 2019 world cup and believe me I was not unhappy at all but I have been so much down by the recent defeat against Australia that I couldn't watch the finals.
India have been losing every knockout game execept semifinals in 2015 T20 WC and CT 2017. Oh that's so painful.To all Indian fans, here how did you cope with this.

Speaking for myself i don't like the current Indian cricketers so any feeling of disappointment of losing big games gets negated by feeling of satisfaction about a bunch of overrated cricketers shown their place. I suggest you also do the same, most cricketers these days are selfish, narcissists and care about T20 leagues more than international tournaments. When they don't get much disappointed about losing knock out, why do you care so much?

 

[subbu]

Pakistan are bit unlucky with the toss Still it's a tough fight in the SF

Where as iIndia choked in most knock out matches

After the High of 2011 WC and 2013 CT

2014 T20 WC Final - poor show by Yuvi

2015 WC SF - tough to beat Aus in Aus

2016 T20 WC SF - can't defend even 190+

2017 CT Final - perfect Choke job

2019 WC SF - again batsmen choked on big occasion

2021 Test Championship Final-
Same story repeated

Most of these tournaments India were favourites and mostly undefeated til SF or final

 

[DRsohail]

Speaking for myself i don't like the current Indian cricketers so any feeling of disappointment of losing big games gets negated by feeling of satisfaction about a bunch of overrated cricketers shown their place. I suggest you also do the same, most cricketers these days are selfish, narcissists and care about T20 leagues more than international tournaments. When they don't get much disappointed about losing knock out, why do you care so much?

I can't find such kind of players here in our eleven except Hafiz and may be Malik and Imad.
I feel hardik pandeya and few more from India were just enjoying the free time.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Crashing out of the T20 world cup is tough but the pain doesn't last long because there is always another one right around the corner.

Crashing out of the 50 over WC is a tough pill to swallow. It must be tough for the players too as for most countries it means the changing of the guard and new players coming in.

 

[rhony]

Pakistan are bit unlucky with the toss Still it's a tough fight in the SF

Where as iIndia choked in most knock out matches

After the High of 2011 WC and 2013 CT

2014 T20 WC Final - poor show by Yuvi

2015 WC SF - tough to beat Aus in Aus

2016 T20 WC SF - can't defend even 190+

2017 CT Final - perfect Choke job

2019 WC SF - again batsmen choked on big occasion

2021 Test Championship Final-
Same story repeated

Most of these tournaments India were favourites and mostly undefeated til SF or final

Most of these defeats in the recent years was because the ball swung. Amir in CT, Henry and Bolt in 2019 SF. NZ pacers in WTC 2020. Even India U-19 loss to BD in the final after scoring a paltry 170. Indian batsmen are top heavy and can't play good swing bowlers. In other good teams, there is a strong middle order than can hunt down targets or set them. Rohit and Kohli, India's best batters have been flops in big games because of the same reason. India needs a better middle order to win championships.

 

[rhony]

I can't find such kind of players here in our eleven except Hafiz and may be Malik and Imad.
I feel hardik pandeya and few more from India were just enjoying the free time.

Don't think so. There is no way Shastri or Kohli would allow free loaders that don't work hard. On every account, Pandya and every other player works incredibly hard on their skills. What you saw was the "swagger" that some of them picked up from West Indies players in IPL. The West Indians picked that up from American super stars. Part of the appeal of that swagger is to be aloof and act as if you don't care if you win or lose. It makes them look "cool".

These Indian players know that the fat pay checks could stop the moment they are complacent. They are savvy with most of them earning millions and are into business ventures. They are guided by financial professionals that know how to eke every cent until they are incapable. The players are not just answerable to the coaches or captains or boards. They are in the hands of their sponsors too that sign these stars for multi year deals. Can't compare them to Malik or Hafeez that don't have much to lose.

 

[Ozeirk]

This has been an entertaining, enjoyable worldcup for me. I will take being knocked out of semi finals any day over being knocked out of group stages.

Pakistan has generally done well in ICC tournaments I feel. In 2019 the first game against West Indies cost us heavy which became the reason for us not qualifying to the next stage while we were peaking at the right time.

Before that we won the ICC Champions trophy and reached the knock out stages in the 2015 worldcup.

 

[street cricketer]

I thought it was funny how the roles were reversed this time.

Usually Pakistan would crash out of the group stages and Indians would be hopeful of winning the cup only to get eliminated in the knockouts and being met with a lot of schadenfreude from the Pakistani fans.

This time India crashed out of the group stages and Pakistanis were hopeful of going all the way, only to get knocked out in the semifinals and being met with schadenfreude from the Indian fans.

I suppose from an Indian perspective, the tension wasn't that much after the first two games because it became apparent that India weren't going to make it, so I watched the knockouts and enjoyed the games in a tension free manner, which I wouldn't have been able to do if India had been involved. But I'd imagine the Pakistani fans would've been at fever pitch with lot of nervousness and excitement leading up to the final and the manner in which the loss happened in the dramatic last 2 overs would've been soul crushing, just like it was for us when India gets knocked out in the semifinals and finals. It's why it's great to watch a sport when your team isn't involved in the later stages of a tournament I guess.

 

[DRsohail]

Don't think so. There is no way Shastri or Kohli would allow free loaders that don't work hard. On every account, Pandya and every other player works incredibly hard on their skills. What you saw was the "swagger" that some of them picked up from West Indies players in IPL. The West Indians picked that up from American super stars. Part of the appeal of that swagger is to be aloof and act as if you don't care if you win or lose. It makes them look "cool".

These Indian players know that the fat pay checks could stop the moment they are complacent. They are savvy with most of them earning millions and are into business ventures. They are guided by financial professionals that know how to eke every cent until they are incapable. The players are not just answerable to the coaches or captains or boards. They are in the hands of their sponsors too that sign these stars for multi year deals. Can't compare them to Malik or Hafeez that don't have much to lose.

So what are Hardek acheivements playing for a star studded team so far? Few good innings in Australia an she doesn't bowl these days too

 

[MenInG]

No one knows our pain!

We have all sorts of pains accumulated into one so no way Indian fan or Pakistan fan pains can be equated!

 

[Giannis]

Now?

Did you not watch Pakistan lose the 2007 T20 WC final cause of Misbah's paddle shot, the 2009 Champions Trophy semi final cause of Younis Khan's dropped catch and Umar Akmal wrongfully being given out, or Pakistan losing the 2010 T20 WC semi due to Hussey's last over blitz or Pakistan losing the 2011 WC semi final to India when we should've won the match, or losing the 2012 T20 WC semi to Sri Lanka in a batting collapse, or Pakistan getting knocked out of the 2015 WC quarterfinals due to a dropped catch. Why do some Pakistani fans have such short memory spans.

 

[cric_man]

Now?

Did you not watch Pakistan lose the 2007 T20 WC final cause of Misbah's paddle shot, the 2009 Champions Trophy semi final cause of Younis Khan's dropped catch and Umar Akmal wrongfully being given out, or Pakistan losing the 2010 T20 WC semi due to Hussey's last over blitz or Pakistan losing the 2011 WC semi final to India when we should've won the match, or losing the 2012 T20 WC semi to Sri Lanka in a batting collapse, or Pakistan getting knocked out of the 2015 WC quarterfinals due to a dropped catch. Why do some Pakistani fans have such short memory spans.

I would go back to 1996 Quarter final against India. After scoring 80 /0 in the first 10 overs to lose that match was horrible....

 

[docteurmanish]

Winning back to back series in aussie , then England and now gunning for South Africa
Is what is most important and achieved . Sf or final loss is not much value in short format . In tests loosing to New Zealand hurt the most as we are the better team and team selection cost us the test championship

T20 is bit of lottery . And we know we ain’t gonna win it under kohli so no pain there . But currently this team is the best t20 team with England in my opinion and the new aggressive approach of india will payoff . This World Cup was a toss dependent one so no worries .

Odi - to win odi , one needs all rounders of class of stokes , Imran , kapil or yuvi . India does not have anybody like that currently . Until they get one ( jadeja and pant are just about maturing and might do the job ) it’s difficult to win world cups .

 

[Kroll]

For me, performance in T20 WC was a bonus, I'm still celebrating Misbah's and Waqar's ouster.

Realistically, I thought our recovery would begin in the new year, but its already started.

 

[prisha]

Felt exactly same. Enjoyed watching SF and finals too. Actually made a bet with family and had lot of fun. India not going to SF made Indians sad I guess but still lot of love and respect to our team. Know it they will put their full efforts with some hits and misses. Do our team make bad choices they do and that’s how life or game is. But still They go on.

I thought it was funny how the roles were reversed this time.

Usually Pakistan would crash out of the group stages and Indians would be hopeful of winning the cup only to get eliminated in the knockouts and being met with a lot of schadenfreude from the Pakistani fans.

This time India crashed out of the group stages and Pakistanis were hopeful of going all the way, only to get knocked out in the semifinals and being met with schadenfreude from the Indian fans.

I suppose from an Indian perspective, the tension wasn't that much after the first two games because it became apparent that India weren't going to make it, so I watched the knockouts and enjoyed the games in a tension free manner, which I wouldn't have been able to do if India had been involved. But I'd imagine the Pakistani fans would've been at fever pitch with lot of nervousness and excitement leading up to the final and the manner in which the loss happened in the dramatic last 2 overs would've been soul crushing, just like it was for us when India gets knocked out in the semifinals and finals. It's why it's great to watch a sport when your team isn't involved in the later stages of a tournament I guess.

 

[Sirris]

For me, performance in T20 WC was a bonus, I'm still celebrating Misbah's and Waqar's ouster.

Realistically, I thought our recovery would begin in the new year, but its already started.

What’s the ouster you are taking about?

Edit: never mind, i get what you mean

 

[Napa]

We did not reach semifinals in 2019 world cup and believe me .

See post below…

Now?

Did you not watch Pakistan lose the 2007 T20 WC final cause of Misbah's paddle shot, the 2009 Champions Trophy semi final cause of Younis Khan's dropped catch and Umar Akmal wrongfully being given out, or Pakistan losing the 2010 T20 WC semi due to Hussey's last over blitz or Pakistan losing the 2011 WC semi final to India when we should've won the match, or losing the 2012 T20 WC semi to Sri Lanka in a batting collapse, or Pakistan getting knocked out of the 2015 WC quarterfinals due to a dropped catch. Why do some Pakistani fans have such short memory spans.

Only one I would disagree with would be the 2015 SF. Australia would have won even if Rahat Ali took that catch. Their batting was simply too good.

 

[Giannis]

See post below…



Only one I would disagree with would be the 2015 SF. Australia would have won even if Rahat Ali took that catch. Their batting was simply too good.

Idk Wahab was on fire, anything could've happened

 

[DRsohail]

See post below…



Only one I would disagree with would be the 2015 SF. Australia would have won even if Rahat Ali took that catch. Their batting was simply too good.

Agreed, so we are new chokers are we are simply not good enough.

 

[sam_ahm]

You must have started watching cricket recently.

Pakistan have lost T20 WC knockouts in 2007 (Final), 2010 (SF), 2012 (SF) before 2021 (SF)

In 50 over World Cups, I think 1999 Final and 2011 SF were painful for Pak fans, 96 WC QF as well, and 2009 CT SF.

But yeah if you are talking about recent time from say 2015, then India have been losing knock outs quite frequently.

 

[Mp812]

In 9 league games :
Jasprit Bumrah (17 wickets), Mohammed Siraj (12 wickets - ), Mohammed Shami (16 wickets - he played 3 less matches than others), Ravindra Jadeja (16 wickets), and Kuldeep Yadav (14 wickets - In many games by time he came to bowl opposition was already 5 down) in this world cup.
All the bowlers will need to have a bad day or some NZ batter will need to play Maxwell vs Afg type of innings to take the game away from India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In 9 league games :
Jasprit Bumrah (17 wickets), Mohammed Siraj (12 wickets - ), Mohammed Shami (16 wickets - he played 3 less matches than others), Ravindra Jadeja (16 wickets), and Kuldeep Yadav (14 wickets - In many games by time he came to bowl opposition was already 5 down) in this world cup.
All the bowlers will need to have a bad day or some NZ batter will need to play Maxwell vs Afg type of innings to take the game away from India.

Champion team should be ready for any situation instead of waiting for 'perfect games' every time they walk out. If they don't win then they miss champion element. NZ will definitely try to out-strategize India. Strategy can only take you so much if the opposition recognizes and adapts. If India does that they should not have hiccups.