Now that Umar Akmal's career has effectively ended, was he better then his brother Kamran Akmal?

[shaz619]

Umar Akmal is pretty much done and dusted a cricketer. I do not see him improving on any level given his poor work ethic and attitude.

Now that his career has ended, who was better; Kamran or Umar?

Discuss

 

[Sherlock]

His career isn't over.

/thread.

 

[Hamza_]

His career isn't over.

/thread.

Kami was almost done back in 2010-2011, All his achievements in international cricket were till that point and at that time his age was 28-29.

Umar Akmal is 27 and is currently displaying performances worse than Kami back then. Pretty much done..

 

[shaz619]

Kami was almost done back in 2010-2011, All his achievements in international cricket were till that point and at that time his age was 28-29.

Umar Akmal is 27 and is currently displaying performances worse than Kami back then. Pretty much done..

Exactly [MENTION=47000]Sherlock[/MENTION] didn't expect such an optimistic post from you, can you tell me with a straight face that Umar Akmal got anything left in the tank? the man is done; if he resurrects his career henceforth I will buy you 3 Karahi's and a family naan from Akbars on Hagley road.

And I agree with you Hamza, Kami was done around about then and Umar has regressed at a shocking rate himself.

Now that both are pretty much done. Who had the better career guys? Kami or Umar? [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[Hamza_]

On topic, Umar would have been ruthlessly exposed in test cricket, His stats may have been 28-33 @65. He gets some support because he did not play test cricket, However test cricket is such a format where you require intelligence, temperament, work ethic and fitness, However Akmal has none add to that his defence is questionable. There is a reason why Azhar Ali has been so successful in test format despite being no so talented, Or even Younis Khan who recently amassed 10k runs.

Umar Akmal was possibly never cut for international cricket, It's a game of discipline and working over time and time again. You are a hero/star of the game only when you have done enough and retired with Grace but Umar never achieved anything substantial yet he got into stardom.

Fans defend him for playing too low and many other reasons but he is a professional and regardless of what the situation he needs to deliver for the cause. Unfortunately he was never able to understand this.

Both Kamran and Umar are at a similar level. It's difficult to tell who is better of the two, Both of them have been equally frustrating and painful to watch.

 

[phoenix363]

Umar Akmal is pretty much done and dusted a cricketer. I do not see him improving on any level given his poor work ethic and attitude.

Now that his career has ended, who was better; Kamran or Umar?

Discuss

As long as Inzy is around, Umar's career is not over.

His brother however is finally finished, thank the lord. We will not be seeing him in a Pakistan shirt again.

As for who is better, the very fact that you are even comparing Umar to one of the worst players to ever play for us, shows just how low he has gotten.

 

[Big Mac]

Kamran's knock against India in Karachi where he came in at 39/6 and smashed a hundred is greater than all of Junior's career put together and that includes the games Umar played in his dreams.

 

[Big Mac]

 

[Hamza_]

Kamran's knock against India in Karachi where he came in at 39/6 and smashed a hundred is greater than all of Junior's career put together and that includes the games Umar played in his dreams.

Which games did he play in his dreams?

 

[Big Mac]

Which games did he play in his dreams?

Do I look psychic to you?

 

[Syed1]

Good riddance... Useless player who continued to play because of quota.

 

[Savak]

The batting version of Mohd Sami. Started his career with a bang and then threw it all away in petrifying manner. Reminds me of the difference b/w a young Tyson and the Tyson later on in his career.

 

[MMHS]

If it ends here sadly, then it has to be Kamran. His 3 innings against India (Karachi, Mohali & Bangalore) were gold. His hundreds at Gabba & Lahore were easily better than Umar's ODI hundreds. I think, Umar's best LO innings was at Dhaka against AUS in T20 WC, but he hasn't played many clutch innings against top sides.

However, I am sure Umar will make come back - may not be on merit. Hope he makes that count - the day Inzi is sacked, Umar might find it really tough. My hunch is, PAK's next CS could be Waquar - in that case, might be that Umar's PAK career //

 

[Savak]

If it ends here sadly, then it has to be Kamran. His 3 innings against India (Karachi, Mohali & Bangalore) were gold. His hundreds at Gabba & Lahore were easily better than Umar's ODI hundreds. I think, Umar's best LO innings was at Dhaka against AUS in T20 WC, but he hasn't played many clutch innings against top sides.

However, I am sure Umar will make come back - may not be on merit. Hope he makes that count - the day Inzi is sacked, Umar might find it really tough. My hunch is, PAK's next CS could be Waquar - in that case, might be that Umar's PAK career //

I personally felt that Kamran was a better pressure player than Umar Akmal.

 

[Poutine]

We don't even know if Kami's career is over let alone Akmal JR's. Knowing our selectors, I won't be shocked if all three Akmal brothers are part of the next squad.

 

[todfod 11]

even talking about this joke of a player is a waste of time..

 

[Hamza_]

Do I look psychic to you?

Unfortunately I haven't had a look at you. Sometime upload a picture of yours to let me make a guess.

Umar looks like smaller fatty version of Lil Wayne in his latest video though. Maybe he dreams about becoming a rapper than playing games.

 

[Zeshan547]

Man that was some much, the dream match, thanks for bringing back memories of those good times, from worst start of 39/6 to the biggest victory buy runs vs india by 341 runs, that was some recovery, look at those superstar performers and look at our timid spineless lot now.

 

[nextover666666]

I would have to say Kamran was better as a batsman. But glad both are done maybe in the future we might see selectors pick adnan Akmal gotta fill that Akmal quota lol

 

[idrizzy]

Man that was some much, the dream match, thanks for bringing back memories of those good times, from worst start of 39/6 to the biggest victory buy runs vs india by 341 runs, that was some recovery, look at those superstar performers and look at our timid spineless lot now.

Superstars like Iqbal, Farhat?

Watching Asif, Akhtar and Razzaq bowl gave me fond memories though.

 

[msb314]

Kammy was far better.

Better match winner, better pressure player and even more consistent IMO.

Atleast Kammy got a half century in the WI ODI series and has shown a desire to comeback and fight for his career - no such fire in Umar Akmal's belly.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is right - Kammy is a borderline Pakistani great.

 

[msb314]

Superstars like Iqbal, Farhat?

Watching Asif, Akhtar and Razzaq bowl gave me fond memories though.

Iqbal only played because Inzy got injured during the 2nd Test I believe whilst Farhat only played because Shoaib Malik had to return home due to the death of his father.

Farhat and Iqbal were not regular started back in 2005-06...

 

[msb314]

Kamran's knock against India in Karachi where he came in at 39/6 and smashed a hundred is greater than all of Junior's career put together and that includes the games Umar played in his dreams.

+1 All day every day.

That knock was ATG material...

 

[The_Odd_One]

Kamran played some of the best knocks by a Pakistani batsman. Kamran was a better batsman easily.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Kamran is the reason Ind-Pak test series in the 2004-07 series is 2-1 rather than 4-0.

 

[Slog]

Kamran's Karachi and Mohali knocks against India are greater than anything his shoda brother achieved all his career

However we all know that we havent seen the last of Umar Akmal

 

[JibranAnsari]

First of all an umar akmal statue should be built and installed in Gaddafi stadium , what a cricketter he was.

On topic , kamran played two of the best innings any pakistani has ever played. Umar akmal has nothing to show.

 

[phoenix363]

Wow, the overreaction in this thread is too much.

Yes, that Kamran innings against India was brilliant, especially to rescue the team from the situation they were in but lets not go overboard. When the ball stopped swinging and got older, it became fairly easy to bat on a flat pitch. As shown by Shoaib's 45. And lets not forget that match also saw Faisal Iqbal get to a century too...

I would actually rate Umar Akmal's debut century against New Zealand as a far better innings. True Kami's had more context and was more important but in terms of quality, Umars was far ahead. In difficult conditions against one of the best fast bowlers of all time as well as vettori with Pakistan at 80-5, over 350 runs behind. His second innings i felt was even better, but he couldnt wn it for us. Had he completed the century and taken us over the line, that truly would have been a ATG innings.

Kamran did play a good supporting role in the first innings though so I will give him that.

 

[KyoOne]

The number of matches Kami lost for the team with his wicket-keeping, and number of bowler's careers he ruined, Umar can not even come close to it.

Yes Umar has been dreadful these recent years, but Kami was a nuisance for most part of his career. On the top of that, made surprise entry into every damn ICC tournament (till '14 Wt20), embarrassing himself and the nation in the process

Add to that, Kami had a very shady character.

Umar, with all his below-par performances and shenanigans, is a messiah in front of Kami. This is how bad Kami was

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kamran Akmal was a match winner in his day and has a few memorable knocks. Umar Akmal is a nobody, was never a nobody, and will never be anybody.

 

[Blitz]

Wow, the overreaction in this thread is too much.

Yes, that Kamran innings against India was brilliant, especially to rescue the team from the situation they were in but lets not go overboard. When the ball stopped swinging and got older, it became fairly easy to bat on a flat pitch. As shown by Shoaib's 45. And lets not forget that match also saw Faisal Iqbal get to a century too...

I would actually rate Umar Akmal's debut century against New Zealand as a far better innings. True Kami's had more context and was more important but in terms of quality, Umars was far ahead. In difficult conditions against one of the best fast bowlers of all time as well as vettori with Pakistan at 80-5, over 350 runs behind. His second innings i felt was even better, but he couldnt wn it for us. Had he completed the century and taken us over the line, that truly would have been a ATG innings.

Kamran did play a good supporting role in the first innings though so I will give him that.

Its not even an over-reaction to say that innings by Kamran can be considered the greatest played by a Pakistani. Definitely in the top 5 ever.

Ball got old after 10 overs when Kamran came in? But not for the 2 innings for India? Or Pakistan's 2nd innings? Plus the pressure of it being the deciding match in the test series at home which we were about to lose?!

That pitch was not easy. It was great for the fast bowlers, as evidenced by the fact (30/37) wickets went to the fast bowlers.

There is no way to over-rate that innings. It's as simple as that. If Sachin had played it, I guarantee you Wisden would call it the greatest innings in the history of test cricket, and I would struggle to argue against that.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Kamran was the better batsman overall,but Junior had more quality.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Kamran's Karachi and Mohali knocks against India are greater than anything his shoda brother achieved all his career

However we all know that we havent seen the last of Umar Akmal

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indvpak/engine/match/297807.html - This was pretty good too although not given as much prestige cause we won the series and Misbah was the main architect.

 

[phoenix363]

Its not even an over-reaction to say that innings by Kamran can be considered the greatest played by a Pakistani. Definitely in the top 5 ever.

Ball got old after 10 overs when Kamran came in? But not for the 2 innings for India? Or Pakistan's 2nd innings? Plus the pressure of it being the deciding match in the test series at home which we were about to lose?!

That pitch was not easy. It was great for the fast bowlers, as evidenced by the fact (30/37) wickets went to the fast bowlers.

There is no way to over-rate that innings. It's as simple as that. If Sachin had played it, I guarantee you Wisden would call it the greatest innings in the history of test cricket, and I would struggle to argue against that.

'Great for fast bowlers because they got the majority of wickets' Almost 1350 runs were scored in that match.....at well over 4 runs an over...just let that sink in. It had some movement but it was a largely flat pitch.

And if you see the pattern, the largest contributions were by the middle and lower order each time as the ball got older. A top order of Laxman and Dravid and Tendulker and Khan struggled yet we saw Kami, Faisal Iqbal and Yuvraj make centuries with lots of other contributions from Irfan Pathan and Shoaib Akhtar.

I can easily name five better innings in the last couple of years alone; Azhars when chasing 300 in two sessions, Younis's innings in that mammoth fourth innings chase, Asad Shafiqs epic resistence against Australia. And if we are talking about context then the two innings played by Misbah and Younis in the first and last test match in England to take us to number one, were pretty monumental.

'Greatest innings in the history of test cricket' if Sachin had played it. I wont even try to argue this baseless exaggeration.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Kami due to more memorable knocks. I remember those back to back ODI hundreds vs England in 05 as opener and i thought he was the new heir to our opening crown in ODIs. The match saving backs to the wall knock against India in Mohali in 2005 that enabled us to level the series in Bangalore.

His legendary century in Karachi coming at 39/6 on a green track in a series decider against India when all looked lost. He played a great counter attacking knock and turned the tide. Kami also played a key role in our WT20 09 triumph as a keeper and bat. still remember the chills down my spine when Kami hit Steyn for a straight six in the SF n Nasser Hussain said we know which Pakistan has turned up today.

Umar has less memorable knocks his century vs Dunedin on debut was one n a few WT20 knocks vs Australia come to mind.

But id say Kami has had a better intl career.

 

[Varun]

Umar Akmal is not finished as a cricketer.

He'll have a stop-start career for the next decade just like everybody else who plays for Pakistan.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Kami due to more memorable knocks. I remember those back to back ODI hundreds vs England in 05 as opener and i thought he was the new heir to our opening crown in ODIs. The match saving backs to the wall knock against India in Mohali in 2005 that enabled us to level the series in Bangalore.

His legendary century in Karachi coming at 39/6 on a green track in a series decider against India when all looked lost. He played a great counter attacking knock and turned the tide. Kami also played a key role in our WT20 09 triumph as a keeper and bat. still remember the chills down my spine when Kami hit Steyn for a straight six in the SF n Nasser Hussain said we know which Pakistan has turned up today.

Umar has less memorable knocks his century vs Dunedin on debut was one n a few WT20 knocks vs Australia come to mind.

But id say Kami has had a better intl career.

It's arguably the greatest knock off all time by a Pakistani Batsman in Test cricket, despite the many heartbreaks Kami left us with some terrific moments and also helped us win the World T20 in 2009; he had a fantastic tournament behind the stumps as well and gave us decent starts during PP overs. Umar on the other hand buried the Kiwis but then again which Pakistani can't do that? [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] it's custom, those poor guys were celebrating their series win over us as if they won the World Cup recently ) just goes to show the dominance we've had over them so it was no real biggy besides the potential for the future which we saw in Umar at the time and he played some decent knocks in ICC tournaments but that's about it, sorry [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] .

 

[shaz619]

Umar Akmal is not finished as a cricketer.

He'll have a stop-start career for the next decade just like everybody else who plays for Pakistan.

He will be in and out of the team no doubt but he peaked a very long time ago

 

[waleed88]

Umar Akmal is pretty much done and dusted a cricketer. I do not see him improving on any level given his poor work ethic and attitude.

Now that his career has ended, who was better; Kamran or Umar?

Discuss

Kamran despite being less talented, has more to achievements to show in his career than Umar Akmal, who has effectively not done anything of note

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Umar has done nothing in the last 5 years of ODI cricket. Absolutely nothing.

 

[MMHS]

I personally felt that Kamran was a better pressure player than Umar Akmal.

Umar is a Cult hero in PAK Cricket - even those who criticizes him, used to do that with a tongue in check, for the enormous potential he had (still has, but time is sprinting away fast) so that it doesn't bite back. Unfortunately, he never grew up as a responsible man, from the day he faked injury in his Brother's cause.

 

[MMHS]

I personally felt that Kamran was a better pressure player than Umar Akmal.

Umar is a Cult hero in PAK Cricket - even those who criticizes him, used to do that with a tongue in check, for the enormous potential he had (still has, but time is sprinting away fast) so that it doesn't bite back. Unfortunately, he never grew up as a responsible man, from the day he faked injury in his Brother's cause.

 

[Saj]

Never say never in Pakistan cricket.

Umar will be back after the Champions Trophy after another fitness test by Inzi and former Pakistan player Ehteshamuddin.

 

[786warrior]

Ended???? The akmals have been a colossal blockage in the guts of the Pak team - a single flush will not get rid of them - they need repeated flushing!!!!!!

 

[shaz619]

Never say never in Pakistan cricket.

Umar will be back after the Champions Trophy after another fitness test by Inzi and former Pakistan player Ehteshamuddin.

Does the fitness Test involve who can eat the most fillet o fish burger meals in a 15 minute time limit ?

 

[ask_analyse_act]

it is very hard to bring sense into these akmal and the whole of akmal family, PCB should give up. Bring the stringent fitness tests in domestics too to get rid of uncles and open the floodgates for u19s and u23s.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Never say never in Pakistan cricket.

Umar will be back after the Champions Trophy after another fitness test by Inzi and former Pakistan player Ehteshamuddin.

Win series and matches without akmals for a year then he will be gone. If one of the youngsters play well and take his spot then I don't see a return for the fatmals.

 

[Hasan123]

Umar is probably the better player but Kamran has played more innings of note.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Umar is in Gym


His latest interview mentions Younis Khan. Now Umar Bhaee is on track.


Finally jolted.

 

[phoenix363]

Umar is in Gym


His latest interview mentions Younis Khan. Now Umar Bhaee is on track.


Finally jolted.

One video of him in the gym and he is 'on track'.

After this recent debacle he should be kept out of the team for at least two years until you see a notciable difference in his fitness and more importantly behaviour. Anyone can get fit if they need to. He can spend a few weeks in the gym and be able to pass the fitness test, should he then automatically be selected?

 

[Mamoon]

Umar was the better batsman, but Kamran has been by far the better player for Pakistan, in spite of all the dropped catches.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Umar is/was and will be a better player than Kami. But his attitude is worse than Kami.

No 1 in the list of players who regressed the most.

 

[hafizexpress]

Umar has done nothing in the last 5 years of ODI cricket. Absolutely nothing.

Hey he did help Sarfraz get his century against Ireland in the 2015 WC

 

[PakLFC]

Umar was never that great to begin with. He is far more interested in dancing at weddings or other events then his Cricket. His brother Kamran was just a cheat. Don't forget Adnan Akmal who was easily the best of he three. A decent lower order batsman and good wicket keeper as well.

 

[Savak]

Umar Akmal is a clear example of why it is important to have a good support system and a good positive professional circle of friends. I have no doubt looking at his antics and attitude that he chooses to hang around in such deplorable, shady circles.

It is also dispicable for a guy to dance with Mujra's when he is married. I wonder how his wife reacts to this stuff.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Is anyone a fan of either of these players anymore?

 

[coy0607]

LOL @ Umar Akmal's career being "effectively over"

I am willing to bet my next pay cheque that we will see Umar Akmal in Pakistani colors in the next 6 months