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"Now we're giving new players opportunities and we're getting castigated again" : Mickey Arthur

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"Now we're giving new players opportunities and we're getting castigated again" : Mickey Arthur

Mickey Arthur at a presser today:

"Amir's form is a worry, there's nobody more worried about it than Amir. He's still an incredibly skilled bowler and has all the attributes to be successful, he's got big match temperament. He's a wonderful bowler and we'll see how we use him going forward"

"The guys who we've brought in here, their attitudes have been outstanding. We've got to realise that we've got our main players to a proper international level, the chaps that we have here are very good cricketers and will become very good cricketers"

"The other guys have been in a tough system for 2 years, these guys are only making their way to it now, I'm talking about Hasnain, Abid Ali, Saad Ali, these guys haven't been around an environment like this. Umar Akmal's back, Rizwan's been in and out of the side. We're trying a lot of players"

"We're trying to increase the depth of Pakistan cricket which is so important. We always get castigated for not trying new players and now we're giving them opportunities and we're getting castigated again. What people need to understand is that we're a very passion cricket team. Everytime we go out there, we want to win for Pakistan. We represent 210 million people"

"We have a plan in place, myself, Inzi and the selectors. The plan is to have our core group of 15 players ready who are going to win Pakistan the World Cup"

"It's been so refreshing to see these guys come down, train, work hard. Yes, they're getting up to the standards but they're not there yet. But if we can get them to where they need to be, it'll be good for Pakistan cricket as they can take over when other players are out of form or injured"

"We wanted Faheem here for 2 games, we wanted to give him a couple of chances at #6. That's why he came in ahead of Imad, Imad's record over the recent past has been very good. We know he could become that finisher. We need Faheem to become better and better. We're not worried about Faheem with the ball, he's outstanding"

"Shinwari and Junaid play tomorrow, Abbas is out. The batting lineup remains the same"

"Every time we play for Pakistan, we want to win. You can ask the guys in the dressing room, I'm a very bad loser. We hate losing, we don't ever want to lose. We represent a very proud cricket nation. We are testing our bench, though and that's important for us as well but we'll never sacrifice the intensity and the will to win"

"I love Umer Khan, but we wanted a wrist-spinner, we wanted to give Yasir an opportunity. Sharjah was incredibly flat and there wasn't much on offer for our seamers or our spinners. I'm hoping here that it grips and turns a little bit more and then we can hopefully see Yasir coming to the game. The key for us is that two spinners need to be challenging both edges, at the moment they're only challenging one edge and that makes them a little predictable"

"Discipline wise there's definitely a difference (Umar Akmal). I can't sit here and fault him, the way he's come into the team, the way he's tried and prepared, he's been very good. He's done a very good job while he's been in this environment. He knows what the standards in this environment are and he knows where he needs to be if he's going to put himself into contention for a berth going forward. I can't fault his attitude. His fitness has got better, but he's still got a bit of work to do there. So have a couple of other guys who are brand new, just coming to our squad. We'll have fitness tests on the 14th of April in Lahore and to be eligible for the World Cup squad, you need to pass that"

"Asif Ali played some good innings through the PSL. We're looking for a guy who can hit it at the back end. We also know that towards the end of the World Cup, we might lose 1-2 senior players in the middle order and we need to find guys who can replace them and that's why we given opportunities. Asif is a wonderful player and hits the ball incredibly well and he'll be back in the reckoning. We're in a really good place. We want to win every game but there's the bigger picture where we want to win the World Cup"

"We've identified the need to have a psychologist with us. He's going home tonight, he's built a really good bond with the players. He'll be joining us up early in England. We don't like the term psychologist, he's a performance enhancement coach. He's been very good, he's built a good rapport with the players and they've responded really well"
 
“We hate losing, we don’t ever want to lose.”

- Mickey Arthur
Head Coach of Pakistan

“It’s not about winning the series, it’s about testing our bench strength.”

- Shoaib Malik
Stand-in captain of Pakistan

Who should we believe...
 
Mickey playing to the gallery again. At some point you judge someone by deeds and actions, not by words alone.
 
Its a total failure on the part of team management and selection committee when you are giving debuts to cricketers 10 matches ahead of world cup. How long has inzamam been our selector now?
 
What a load of hogwash.you aren't trying new players. yasir isn't new. Abbas, Abid, Yasir all are test specialists, Shan and Imam are similar kind of openers who play with low strike rates, there's no sense in picking both of them in this series when you know both play outdated brand of cricket, could have tried someone more aggressive . Except Hasnain which players are new exactly? Micky is again playing old tricks with us, thinking we are fools.

New players would have been :

Leg spinner : Irfan
One down batsman : Saud Shakeel
Pace bowlers : Hasnain, Sadaf, Haris
LA spinners : Kashif, Zafar, Khalid
Others : Khushdil, Saad, hasan mohsin etc

And Aamer Yameen, Rumman Could have been given opportunity instead of Faheem and Amir
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He should keep his mouth shut and If he can't make any sense
 
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Delighted to see Shinwari in place of Amir.
 
I was hoping that he would mention that we are a proud team that hates to lose, and I wasn’t disappointed.
 
Delighted to see Shinwari in place of Amir.

In place of Amir? He didn't even play the 2nd ODI, so how can one replace him in the team?

If Amir would have played, it would have been in place of Yasir Shah. Junaid and Shinwari have replaced Faheem and Abbas, because they haven't played a single game yet and they deserved their chance ahead of Amir.
 
In all essence, if he wins the World Cup with this team, or his 15 players as he so eloquently put it, he deserves to stay as coach till 2030.
 
Yasir Shah will most probably play his last match in coloured clothing for Pakistan, but I hope I am wrong if he can win us the next match and this series.
 
What he is saying is that we lost the last two matches because of Hasnain, as he is the only new player
 
Why is he testing his bench strength so late? He already has his squad of 15 decided the way he has mentioned Aamir and Faheem. How will any of the backups fit into the final squad?
 
He is talking usual and probably any other Coach would have said similar things. But, with one comment I really got chuckled -

"We're trying to increase the depth of Pakistan cricket which is so important."

Really Mickey? After playing available full squad against ZIM reserves 12 months before WC and at the start of a busy season, may be now is the time for increasing squad depth with 3 more games left before WC squad is announced. And, after ensuring that Sarfraz is comfortable without any assigned deputy to look back on shoulders for 2 years, now it was the perfect time to appoint a makeshift Captain who should never be in that WC squad at first place.

I do realize that I have still lot, lot, lot more to know & learn about PAK cricket.
 
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Testing bench strength is fine but why didn't we do so against Zimbabwe D last summer ? What a wasted series.

As for playing two wrist spinners - Yasir cannot be one of them. He doesn't have the variety for limited overs cricket as been proven by multiple failed stints.
 
If you wanted Faheem to develop as an allrounder, you should have played him at least at 7 ages ago. And even promoting him perhaps if we got a good start. There was no excuse to play him at 8, just to try and make Shadab some sort of allrounder. It's far too late to get him in at 6, and at this point he's not making the main team anymore.

Yasir isn't even looking as good as he was in tests, let alone trying him in his weaker format. I understand it's too close to the world cup and umer's too young. But someone like Zafar could have been a decent try, someone's who's got decent experience in domestic at least now. Not a huge issue though, I think Shadab and Imad will be the only spinners selected for the world cup anyway.

I think one of the main issues has just been the top 3. 3 slow, left handed batsmen at the top. You can't make big scores with that. When Babar and Fakhar return that won't be an issue hopefully. All 3 of them together is definitely overkill. But question is even two of these guys might be tough too.

It's a big shame Asif Ali hasn't kicked off. Even watching him in this PSL it's clear he just has a talent that the rest lack, they can't hit in the same way, clean hitting not just slogs. In both ODIs, it was the exact situation someone like him could have been useful, to make up for the top order's inability to hit.
 
For a pro coach, Arthur makes some weird decisions and weird choice of words.
 
"We're trying to increase the depth of Pakistan cricket which is so important. We always get castigated for not trying new players and now we're giving them opportunities and we're getting castigated again. What people need to understand is that we're a very passion cricket team. Everytime we go out there, we want to win for Pakistan. We represent 210 million people"

Are you out of your mind Mickey??.... Yasir/UA/Rizwan/Imam/Shan/Imad/Malik/Faheem are new players???
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thats why I roghtly hate this team and their attitude. They ahte losing but always do that.These mediocre bunch of crickters cant be supported, they do not deserve it.
 
I don't know why there had to be a wrist spinner. Surely whoever the best spinner in the country should be picked regardless of what style of bowling?
 
If the goal is to develop Faheem Ashraf as an All Rounder, he should still be in the UAE Batting at 5 or 6 and not bowling rather than going home.
 
Arthur Phai, please essplain why they showing such lethargic and lacklustre performances don't show tell me your giving Men a chance please.

They are should international material to represent their country if that was the case then they should have always used the so called tried tested failuire who have the intensity and hunger please. Such moronic staments made prior or this years world Cup by both malik and now Arthur just show how much they do t really know exactly even if either will make the cut.

In this case the only hope is having all faith in Inzi who seems to either want to show Micky that he is boss or there is a depht in qulity meaning we will. Go back to Shehzad, Wahab etc
 
The result of this pointless series will be forgotten quicker a McDonalds meal but if PK find 2 players, it will serve the team well for a decade. I am with MA, I would say we need more series like these to try players.
 
Testing bench strength is fine but why didn't we do so against Zimbabwe D last summer ? What a wasted series.

As for playing two wrist spinners - Yasir cannot be one of them. He doesn't have the variety for limited overs cricket as been proven by multiple failed stints.
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] bhai, do you now see the light re. Mickey or still back him?

He's one of the reasons we're ranked among the minnows. He calls this trying out new players. Who exactly? Yasir, Abbas, Imam, Shan, Umar Akmal, Imad Wasim.

THESE are new players? Oh wait. I forgot. Hasnain is. Yep, so Hasnain equates to "we're trying new players".

A coach who doesn't understand modern cricket, is sticking with Shan as an opener. And you already know how clueless he is when it comes to judging spinners. This guy loves Yasir Shah.

As clueless as Sarfraz.

And his signature "We're a proud team that hates losing". :danish
 
The result of this pointless series will be forgotten quicker a McDonalds meal but if PK find 2 players, it will serve the team well for a decade. I am with MA, I would say we need more series like these to try players.

So who is Mickey Arthur trying?

Imam? Shan? Umar Akmal? Imad?

There's not a single new batsman. Not a single new allrounder. There's only Hasnain who everyone knows about and admires.
 
For a pro coach, Arthur makes some weird decisions and weird choice of words.

Getting a free ride.

He gave up a long time ago, just doing the usual routine to stay and receive a paycheck.

Doesn't have the brains to pick a squad, XI. No strategy. Sticking to 90s era batting. No guts to try out NEW players.
 
You test bench strength against Ireland, Scotland, Zimbabwe, WI & SL B not two months before the WC against an Aussie side on fire. I know these were T20Is but it would have aided their transition to the ODI side.

Rizwan in particular, should have got a lot more games than what he's played in the last 18 months.
 
Getting a free ride.

He gave up a long time ago, just doing the usual routine to stay and receive a paycheck.

Doesn't have the brains to pick a squad, XI. No strategy. Sticking to 90s era batting. No guts to try out NEW players.

Problem is I just don't know who we can replace him with. Coaching Pakistan isn't deemed to be an attractive role for high profile coaches, so finding a replacement is going to be tough.

As harsh as it may sound I certainly don't want to see a Pakistani coach because they're all awful.

I can already envisage Waqar Younis being given a third stint.
 
Problem is I just don't know who we can replace him with. Coaching Pakistan isn't deemed to be an attractive role for high profile coaches, so finding a replacement is going to be tough.

As harsh as it may sound I certainly don't want to see a Pakistani coach because they're all awful.

I can already envisage Waqar Younis being given a third stint.

There's nobody in Pak with a vision and understanding of the modern game.

We need someone like Trevor Bayliss. Picks the team he wants, according to the modern way of playing the game. Takes risks.

Deano for now is a better option, Mickey isn't staying after the World Cup. Though Deano too brings some baggage and not quite sure if he has what it takes to transform our team into a modern side.
 
Can anybody tell me which new players Mickey the incompetent is talking about?
 
Why is it that Sarfaraz managed to reach the final of PSL three out of four times and won it once as well with a band of unspectacular cricketers while Mickey's KK barely manage to qualify for the playoffs everytime and then falter at the first step.


Mickey's con act has gone on for too long, inshallah we will finally see the back off him after the WC.
 
Why doesnt he have a settled squad? Its a series before the wc; we should have had a settled team. He had like 4 years to try combinations. It is fair to say that he is not a very good coach and never learns from his mistakes! Wish we had Dean Jones over Arthur.
 
Can anybody tell me which new players Mickey the incompetent is talking about?

You and others are being unfair.

I agree that the manner of defeat has come as a shock. But Mickey IS right to say that we are testing bench strength. Fakhar, Barber, Sarfraz, Shadab, Shaheen and Hasan Ali are more than half of our team and none of them are here.

In terms of the merits of testing bench strength so close to a WC, I agree it seems bizzare. However, that is because this series happens to be taking place 5 months after the team hit the road on tour and so it's timing has been badly planned by the PCB. In reality, this series should not be happening. Other than Hasan and Sarfraz, all of the others I mentioned above were showing visible signs of fatigue and they simply had to be rested.

As such, there is nothing wrong selections here (other than the fact that Umer Khan should have been picked ahead of Yasir), but the issue is poor planning by the PCB.
 
To be really frank, testing the bench strength should have happened a year ago when Pakistan was playing the meaningless ODI series in Zimbabwe with a full strength squad. The only series where Pakistan bowling and batting performed in over a year in ODIs. With just few months left for the WC, this is not the time to be testing some random backup players who will not even be in consideration for a spot in the WC squad. Pretty poor statements from Arthur to be honest.
 
You're getting castigated because you're actually not giving new players opportunities. Fans would tolerate the losses a lot more if you actually gave the young deserving players chances. All you've done is recycled the same trash that hasn't been given a chance for a while barring Hasnain.
 
One of the worst coaches we've ever had. Should've been sacked the day when he defended his selection of 3 fast bowlers in the UAE in Tests against SL. Has always been clueless and has one of the most mediocre coaching records for Pakistan. Look at his ODI and Tests results. I wonder why he is still in charge.
 
Which is why I repeat, if Pakistan somehow wins the World Cup, EVERY hater will be forced to praise his coaching and his nuance.

Not to mention the renewal of his contract till 2030.
 
Which is why I repeat, if Pakistan somehow wins the World Cup, EVERY hater will be forced to praise his coaching and his nuance.

Not to mention the renewal of his contract till 2030.

Build a statue next to the national stadium if he manages to win the WC!
 
One of the worst coaches we've ever had. Should've been sacked the day when he defended his selection of 3 fast bowlers in the UAE in Tests against SL. Has always been clueless and has one of the most mediocre coaching records for Pakistan. Look at his ODI and Tests results. I wonder why he is still in charge.

Isn't he the same coach under we won champions trophy?
 
The main issue is you are not giving caps to new players who deserve it apart from Hasnain. Had Inzi selected Umer Khan, Zafar and Haris Rauf people would have understood your comments. And when you select new players you also play them. Even that is not happening.
 
Is Micky really that dumb or joking? He didn't even try not a single new batsman but keep using old failures like Yasir, U Akmal......
He could have tried Umer Khan, Saud and Haris Rauf instead of useless Abbas, U Akmal and Yasir.
 
Isn't he the same coach under we won champions trophy?

Intikhab Alam has coached Pakistan to two World Cup trophies. Success in a tournament or two is not always the best measure of a coach.

You have to look at results over a period of time to see if the team have made any significant progress. After 3 years of Arthur, we have made no strides in ODIs and have only gone backwards in Tests.
 
Hasnain and hopefully Saad Ali.

SO till now he hasn't tried any proper new player, no batsman.

How can he claim he's doing it and getting castigated? We've failed so far with the oldies that he's claiming to be NEW.
 
Intikhab Alam has coached Pakistan to two World Cup trophies. Success in a tournament or two is not always the best measure of a coach.

You have to look at results over a period of time to see if the team have made any significant progress. After 3 years of Arthur, we have made no strides in ODIs and have only gone backwards in Tests.

The problem is not mickey Arthur. The problem is the Pakistani players they are not world-class or good enough to compete against the top teams. You can only play with the cards you have.

Mickey has done everything to turn Pakistan into a world class. He got us one of the best fielding coaches in the world to make our players better fielders. He runs fitness tests, gives diet plans. Now his got us a psychologist. What else can a coach do???

Beggars can’t be choosers. We have to do with the players we have. He knows that.
 
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] bhai, do you now see the light re. Mickey or still back him?

He's one of the reasons we're ranked among the minnows. He calls this trying out new players. Who exactly? Yasir, Abbas, Imam, Shan, Umar Akmal, Imad Wasim.

THESE are new players? Oh wait. I forgot. Hasnain is. Yep, so Hasnain equates to "we're trying new players".

A coach who doesn't understand modern cricket, is sticking with Shan as an opener. And you already know how clueless he is when it comes to judging spinners. This guy loves Yasir Shah.

As clueless as Sarfraz.

And his signature "We're a proud team that hates losing". :danish

Mickey has issues but mention them and people start bringing in Waqar and Mohsin Khan's coaching stint
 
Intikhab Alam has coached Pakistan to two World Cup trophies. Success in a tournament or two is not always the best measure of a coach.

You have to look at results over a period of time to see if the team have made any significant progress. After 3 years of Arthur, we have made no strides in ODIs and have only gone backwards in Tests.

But he got old isn't he (Inti)? :)) at the same time lack of batting talent is another reason we are facing this, Iman and Shan are test batsmen, Fakhar is a hack, apart from Babar no one has played reasonable in ODIs. Talat hasn't met the expectations. We have Umar Akmar and Shehzad top performing in PSL 2019, they are average too but still after 10 years they are still better batsmen hence you know we have issues. We are trying to develop alrounders from scratch we do not have any.
So in my opinion its not about coaches or management we lack batting talent.
 
So Pakistan is giving chances to youngsters in this order:

Amir out, Junaid in
Junaid out, Shinwari in
Akmal out, Shoaib in
Yasir out, Yasir in
Sarfaraz out, Rizwan in
Rizwan out, Sarfaraz in
Shan out, Hafeez in

I am glad there is a Hassnain in there - or youngsters would have taken over the whole team.

Well done Mickey.
 
The problem is this - Mickey and selectors have had 4 years to build the ODI team ready for the World Cup, and yes Pakistan won the Champions Trophy but even then and right now just weeks before the World Cup no one knows who will be opening the batting for Pakistan and who will be opening the bowling come the first game of the tournament.

For all we know, it could be Imam and Shan Masood opening or heaven forbid I wouldn’t even rule out a freak injury to a top order batsman and then legendary batsman Azhar Ali being recalled at the last minute on the grounds that we need ‘experience’ in the batting line up.

It’s a pointless discussion, we all know that the two openers in Pakistan’s first game at the World Cup will not be the same pair in the 2nd game possibly and definitely not by the last match Pakistan play in that tournament.

Same with the bowling - expecting Amir to be dropped in the middle of the tournament and Junaid to come in and fire on all cylinders and then the question will be asked why Junaid was not selected in The first place.
 
There's nobody in Pak with a vision and understanding of the modern game.

We need someone like Trevor Bayliss. Picks the team he wants, according to the modern way of playing the game. Takes risks.

Deano for now is a better option, Mickey isn't staying after the World Cup. Though Deano too brings some baggage and not quite sure if he has what it takes to transform our team into a modern side.

Bayliss is an appalling coach - I've seen him with England and he is constantly chopping and changing the Test team. He also loves his pseudo ARs over specialists.

The Test side has been highly inconsistent on his watch. He inherited a good ODI side from Paul Farbrace after the 2015 WC, a strong group of talent that just needed to be backed.
 
So Pakistan is giving chances to youngsters in this order:

Amir out, Junaid in
Junaid out, Shinwari in
Akmal out, Shoaib in
Yasir out, Yasir in
Sarfaraz out, Rizwan in
Rizwan out, Sarfaraz in
Shan out, Hafeez in

I am glad there is a Hassnain in there - or youngsters would have taken over the whole team.

Well done Mickey.

Well said. Mickey has been playing to the gallery for a long time now.

Can't pick a decent squad, has no guts to try new players and his batting mindset is still stuck in the 80s.

Bayliss is an appalling coach - I've seen him with England and he is constantly chopping and changing the Test team. He also loves his pseudo ARs over specialists.

The Test side has been highly inconsistent on his watch. He inherited a good ODI side from Paul Farbrace after the 2015 WC, a strong group of talent that just needed to be backed.
I don't know about their Test fortunes, but their LOI sides have become invincible under Bayliss.

He knows how to play the modern game and strategize for it.
 
World Cricket is generally devoid of great coaches. One name though to think about is Mike Hesson who I don't see coaching international cricket..
 
Can’t accept his reason for not taking Umer Khan which is a stroke of not disturbing Imads position in the team.

Clearly not happy with UA selection ..we can see this fat boy fitness levels. Four years nearly out of the national side didn’t teach him a lesson on fitness. I don’t expect to become fit after this, as he will be into his 30s
 
The problem is not mickey Arthur. The problem is the Pakistani players they are not world-class or good enough to compete against the top teams. You can only play with the cards you have.

Mickey has done everything to turn Pakistan into a world class. He got us one of the best fielding coaches in the world to make our players better fielders. He runs fitness tests, gives diet plans. Now his got us a psychologist. What else can a coach do???

Beggars can’t be choosers. We have to do with the players we have. He knows that.

Mickey can be blamed for tactical mistakes, selection mistakes, for having one rule for his favorites and another for players not in his good books, for being too stubborn at times.
 
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